Finally ran into Mudd in AV -- 5x shammy vs 4x lock

Panties ---> Bunch.
I tease because I care.

Seriously though, I read you going on about totem strategies. But when I was 5 boxing mages + priest, I had no strategy against any single targets. They only lived for a second or two anyway. DPS + Heal and AoE as many targets as possible really. None of this "ice shield against melee" or "mana shield against warriors and rogues but not hunters". It was pretty much target --> gibbed target --> gibbed target --> gibbed. Rinse and repeat.

Ok, sure - rank 1 Blizzard against rogues, etc. But by and large that was just fluff that got in the way of PvP. 5 vs 1 is so lopsided that you don't counter them. You just destroy them and heal right through it.

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Originally Posted by 'Xzin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=36444#post3644 4

Panties ---> Bunch.
I tease because I care.

Seriously though, I read you going on about totem strategies. But when I was 5 boxing mages + priest, I had no strategy against any single targets. They only lived for a second or two anyway. DPS + Heal and AoE as many targets as possible really. None of this "ice shield against melee" or "mana shield against warriors and rogues but not hunters". It was pretty much target --> gibbed target --> gibbed target --> gibbed. Rinse and repeat.

Ok, sure - rank 1 Blizzard against rogues, etc. But by and large that was just fluff that got in the way of PvP. 5 vs 1 is so lopsided that you don't counter them. You just destroy them and heal right through it.

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Stam has grown, Xzin. My shammies are sporting a crit-based elemental spec against resilience heavy pvp gear (not necessarily Mudd -- I didn't armory him but he didn't seem to be wearing much pvp gear that I noticed). They're sporting a lovely 400 +spelldamage against instant cast dots. Offense, at this moment in time and at their current gear and my opponents' arena gear, is not my strong point. Focused damage and defense are my strong points until I can get the gear to insta-gib people. Sure, if my elemental mastery is up and my trinkets and I have no spell pushback I can insta gib ONE person. But I don't see how that has anything to do with the thread.

This is not me vs 1 person. It's me vs a multiboxer. Everyone knows a multiboxer's plus side is high burst and low defense -- without my totems, I am INCREDIBLY low defense.

So, I don't know what you're getting at with your 5 v 1... Mudd plays 4 warlocks, I play 5 shaman. My totem strategy works the same with 4 warlocks as it does with 1 -- in fact, it's even MORE critical given the nature of grounding totem.

The other day I was WSGing for fun with just my rogue. Ran into a shammy with 18K hp holding the flag with 2 paladin healers. Yes, that is 18K hp on a shaman. Trying to get the flag was an exercise in embaressment.

Indeed plenty of people now run around with 15 - 18k health, others with 350 + resilience which soon cuts down your crit damage.

Pre tbc I can kill people in seconds with just 1 character, these days 5 full damage crits and they are still standing fairly happily.

Hmm. Whatever happened to the other people rolling 4 locks and a priest? I remember that was fotm for a while. You would think you'd see a lot more lock groups in BG's.

Now that I think about it, I might go old school Xzin style and make 4 mages and a priest. I like my shamans, but I'd imagine mages would be a lot more fun in BG's. Something weird about mages, too. When I play them, they're the most boring class in the game. When I don't play them, I miss em'!

A Priest & Lock combo really shine in BG's where multiple SoC can quickly drop groups of players, but not so great in Arena's where the priest can be focus fired down pretty quickly.

Shamans are great in Arena's where bursting down one or two players has a major impact on the game, but not so great in BG's becuase of a lack of AoE and the reliance of being placed in the same group to be effective.

Vyndree's point about not being in a group reducing Shaman's effectiveness in BG's (or anywhere for that matter) is totally valid. Stacking grounding totem is our number 1 way of mitigating spell damage (apart from wearing +resilience gear). Stacking healing stream is number 2.

Cheers,

Stealthy

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=36441#post3 6441

Tremor totem / Grounding totem / healing stream totem = vs locks
Tremor totem / Wrath of air / Fire nova / Healing stream = vs warriors
Stoneskin totem / Wrath of air / Fire nova / Poison cleanse = vs rogues
Stoneskin totem / Wrath of air / searing totem / poison cleanse = vs hunters
Earthbind totem (I hate aoe) / Grounding Totem / Searing totem (fire nova if they're in range/aoeing) / Healing Stream totem = vs mages
Tremor totem (add 1 earthbind 5 tremor if they're heading in to fear you) / Grounding totem (mana burn) / healing stream totem (or mana if you've been mana burned) / searing = vs priests
Earthbind totem (druids hate earthbind -- hard to shift out and also get range before it reapplies) / Grounding totem / healing stream totem / searing totem = druids
Stoneskin totem / Grounding totem / healing stream totem / searing or fire nova = paladin

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Do you seriousally have all these combinations bouned? Im very impressed if you do, and if you are able to use them properly every time.
Next question if you do, are they bound to 1 for each sequence or is it 1 key per totem school, currently I have NUMPAD1-6 set to different totems, but i really want to set them up more effeciently, for example have a castsequence for NUMPAD1 to setup a certain totem sequence, like vs warlocks. But trying to remember which one is which would just be a nightmare.

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Originally Posted by 'opt',index.php?page=Thread&postID=36475#post36475

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=36441#post3 6441

Tremor totem / Grounding totem / healing stream totem = vs locks
Tremor totem / Wrath of air / Fire nova / Healing stream = vs warriors
Stoneskin totem / Wrath of air / Fire nova / Poison cleanse = vs rogues
Stoneskin totem / Wrath of air / searing totem / poison cleanse = vs hunters
Earthbind totem (I hate aoe) / Grounding Totem / Searing totem (fire nova if they're in range/aoeing) / Healing Stream totem = vs mages
Tremor totem (add 1 earthbind 5 tremor if they're heading in to fear you) / Grounding totem (mana burn) / healing stream totem (or mana if you've been mana burned) / searing = vs priests
Earthbind totem (druids hate earthbind -- hard to shift out and also get range before it reapplies) / Grounding totem / healing stream totem / searing totem = druids
Stoneskin totem / Grounding totem / healing stream totem / searing or fire nova = paladin

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Do you seriousally have all these combinations bouned? Im very impressed if you do, and if you are able to use them properly every time.
Next question if you do, are they bound to 1 for each sequence or is it 1 key per totem school, currently I have NUMPAD1-6 set to different totems, but i really want to set them up more effeciently, for example have a castsequence for NUMPAD1 to setup a certain totem sequence, like vs warlocks. But trying to remember which one is which would just be a nightmare.

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Nope. I have a button for each.

I like flexibility. Every now and then you'll get an idiot who never uses their fear button, or a complex group that means dropping different totems situationally.

My ctrl bar is for totems:
ctrl1: 4x healing stream, 1x mana spring
ctrl2: various air buffing totems - wrath, windfury, windwall, GoA, and even nature resist since there's nothing better
ctrl3: various earth totems - stoneskin, str, 3x tremor
ctrl4: grounding x5
ctrl5: staggered tremor
ctrl6: totemic call (I use a split keyboard so it's easy to find)
ctrl7: Poison cleanse x1 disease cleanse x2 nothing x3

On my x-keys I keep my fire elementals, heroisms, and totem of wraths as they are not as time critical.

searing totem is 6
fire nova is 7
magma is 8

Besides my tremor castsequence, I don't sequence any of my totems. Stunlocks are too common and I may miss laying a grounding totem that could save my ass.

I feel a server transfer just to face you in AV vyn :P

well using only 1 grounding wouldve been enough to kill 2 of his chars before the first seeds on you. meaning only 2 seeds to deal with while you kill his other 2...

ive seen his gear on armory and its not heavy duty to deal with. kinda like xzin said gibb rinse and repeat.
i know exactly what locks can do and if you dont believe me you can check http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...n=Stickmeister
and while youre at it check the 4 bezze's in the same guild
4 weeks at 70 now and over 6k kills 255 resi 9k+ hp and around 700 dmg 33% crit. so i guess i know how shamans work aswell... tho its only 4 not 5 ^^

played tons of AV EOTS AB WSG and can tell that i havent had ANY problems doing it except i dont often have them in same grp meaning i have to play better since i cant utilize 4X all totems... still not too hard to own a couple allies with 2 times better gear...

well good luck with him next time tho!

/stick

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