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I was gonna say something when you come out calling zappy on the forum. Is this your first arena season or something ? never fought another boxer before ? Don't come out here show your immaturity.
you use some combos that have advantages over the shamans. That doesn't mean much.
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Originally Posted by remanz
My first week in arena was very bizarre.
First of all, I hit 85 on everyone at the last minute. My main had been 85 (due to some instance-runs with guildies) and had some honor/blue starter gear, but the rest of the team jumped into the arena with ungemmed items and unenchanted stuff, etc. Main had only 104k health / 1300 resilience, alts were 98k health and 400 resilience (IIRC).
First game was an instant win due to the other team not being present. Yay!
Next 4-5 games were mostly against the same team, who CCed all the shamans for what seemed like an eternity. I was, at best, able to get off one volley of spells, then the whole team was shutdown for 10sec or so. This generally didn't kill anyone, but my healer and I had to go into emergency heal mode to save people and I was never able to put good DPS on the other team. (More on these guys later)
I then won a game against some OK players. I think they had good gear, due to the difficulty in killing them, but they were very disorganized and I was able to just wail on them one by one without much trouble.
Lost a few more games, then had a funny situation. Our arena queue popped, but one of my shaman was stuck in that worm-thingie that swirls you around the caverns in Deepholm. He couldn't get out of combat and thus we started the match 4v5. I figured it was a total loss, but we actually did well and won the match. As fun as that was, it became annoying that one of my guys didn't get conquest capped. :(
Anyhow, I left the session feeling OK. I know my gear will get better, but so will everyone else's. I share Kromtor's concern about OOM and scaling issues.
My #1 biggest concern about arenas is that CC is so, so, so prevalent, and even mediocre teams can pull this off well. Shamans have good DPS and burst, but not when they're CCed and not against teams that are swarming them. I think the 4xDK setup has some huge advantages in that regard-- if a DK is able to attack, he's swinging at the target or gaining ground on the target. There is little micro-management involved, you can wail at your Attacking button(s) and they automagically home in on the target. They also do well against situations where multiples are swarming you, I suspect.
If the threat of getting insta-gibbed by a multibox shaman team is diminished (and I think it is), then people will infiltrate your group and swarm more often. This might be an issue with the team in arena. While I'm still optimistic about the shamans' ability in BGs, I think hardcore arena multiboxers may want to gravitate towards the FOTM DKs setup.
Yes, the awesomeness that is the swarm of melee toons is why I probably wont be doing arena seriously on my shaman.
Being swarmed as a caster in turret mode was always the way teams really beat me, even when the casters would move in and swarm around me. Mana being an issue is the real reason that melee start to shine, since no melee toon will ever be out of resources, even the ones that use mana.
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Originally Posted by BrothelMeister
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So long as you don't run into a BE DK multi-box group you should be ok http://www.dual-boxing.com//images/smilies/smile.gif
I must have missed where I was called out, but it's all good - hopefully I'll face him again on my other team. :)
I just hit 85 on my shammys on Saturday, and wanted to try to get enough games in to hit the weekly point cap. Having no resilience was a pretty hard beating to take - i think my final numbers were something like 6 wins to 30 losses. A few things I learned is to switch my heals to use healing wave - mana is a huge issue now. Not only for us, but i could see our opponents having the same issues. Healing rain stacked is a must once the dps race starts. I was shocked how well that keeps up my team. But again, the biggest problem is running out of mana. I had one match where I killed their entire team except for one feral druid, and I must say, that it's quite funny and embarrassing to watch 1 feral druid kill all 5 of my shammys due to being OOM. I'm curious to see what kind of mana pool or issues a fully geared shammy will have.
The DK team looks very interesting right now, so you may see a few more Skippys running around. I'm also considering switch my 80 boomkins to feral and begin the leveling process with them. If they don't get the nerf bat soon, that looks to be one hell of a good team too.
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Originally Posted by Zappy
My experience was... Queued into double feral tripple healer teams 2 of them like 4 games in a row.
Said I'll wait till next week when there are more people playing.
Did some rated bg's and 3v3 (on 1 toon) and I must say getting gear isn't going to be hard. It's retardedly easy we had a guy in greens on our 2k MMR 3s team and we were still winning. Got our pally his epic healing mace already.
Ring of Frost... not as big of a concern as I thought. I can't confirm but I think grounding will absorb the freeze effect and as long as you don't move, you don't get refrozen (or people kept breaking them with aoes).
Ring of Frost is my main issue, even if i trinket i get refrozen again. Its a bitch. Also if they start pounding on one of my toons, he gets out of ice but the rest is still in ice, so i can't heal myself/do damage.
Also having problems with prot warriors and rogues.
I'm trying to get the tazik shocker on each toon, got 1/4, thats really a must for arenas