Fixing the Ret Paladin post 4.0

its in the works on grim batol, also got eyes peeled on jafula progress

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Originally Posted by Mosg2

Awesome Jafula, I was hoping you'd post something about this :) I'm not sure what you're looking for as a UI element, but having options would be nice I think. IE, a mini-default Holy Power UI element you could move around for each other character, or maybe just a big 3d number for each one. That's what I'd prefer at least :)

More on topic:

Using ISBoxer you can replicate a /clicksequence with commas for Judgement, Crusader Strike, and Hammer of Wrath. That fixes like, 60% of your rotation. That basically leaves Templar's Verdict and the torture that is Exorcism.

Basically I've come to the conclusion that there's nothing you can do for Templar's Verdict macro-wise. You *need* to only be using it at 3 Holy Power. With the system Blizz added to "save" a Holy Power that you would have generated (because you're at 3 already) for a couple seconds, I think it'll work if you just have a "Burst" button for doing your Templar's Verdict. Sure, infrequently you might be in a situation where you've got 2-3 guys at 3 HP and then the rest at 1 or 2 HP... Which sucks. You're going to lose DPS. Period. But the overall loss is going to be fairly minimal.

This puts you at two buttons--One spam button and then one that does Templar's Verdict when you hit 3 HP on each character. What sucks is that this doesn't fix the Art of War/Exorcism problem. Sigh. As I stated above I found that if you're circle-strafing the target you could just have Exorcism be the fallthrough ability and it'll cast whenever it's up... But it depends on your characters always moving.

Anyways, thoughts?

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If blizzard took that functionality out, I think they'll REALLY dislike it if you use 3rd party software to emulate it.
Just like how you could emulate a castrandom like that if you really wanted.

Blizzard doesn't want something to be making decisions for you, like how castrandom and comma sequences were able to.

Optimal DPS is going to be tough for multi-boxers with most classes now with all the proc effects/power. For example, on pallies I will be leaning toward cast sequences that ensure enough holy power to pop TV with at least two power. It's not ideal but Bliz seems to be trying to make Cata more interactive for players (no more asleep at the wheel raiding?) I think most classes I will be playing will require at least 3 buttons to get decent dps, one masher and two situational proc based.

I have a feeling we will figure out enough tricks to get by until we can gear/outgear for PvE end game. I do fear PvP, arena in particular, will be tougher for the boxing crowd.

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Originally Posted by offive

will be tougher for the boxing crowd.

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Well, consider that the things that make life difficult for boxers tend to make life difficult for casuals as well. I suspect if it's way difficult for us, regular players will be griping about it, too. And in that case, look for nerfs to follow shortly. ;)

Button 1 the clicker
/startattack
/click whateverbaryouuse1
/click whateverbaryouuse1
/stopcasting
Button 2
/castsequence reset=combat crusader strike, judgement, crusader strike, divine storm or templar's verdict(i use both so i have an aoe button and a single dps button)
Button 3
/cast Exorcism

Full of win

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Originally Posted by Toned

Button 1 the clicker
/startattack
/click whateverbaryouuse1
/click whateverbaryouuse1
/stopcasting
Button 2
/castsequence reset=combat crusader strike, judgement, crusader strike, divine storm or templar's verdict(i use both so i have an aoe button and a single dps button)
Button 3
/cast Exorcism

Full of win

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see what goes down

I don't understand what you've described, Toned.

Create a spam key, the same as a Click Castsequence.

The first button called, calls a castsequence.
No commas for timing, just a straight looping sequence.

The second button is a simple /Cast Whatever.
Just a single spell.

Currently, the second spell casts whenever it is available.
And when it is not, the castsequence endlessly loops, as expected.

So, in his example, Ret's will endlessly loop:
Crusader Strike > Judgement > Crusader Strike > Divine Storm
But they will also: Exorcism whenever it is available, without needing to manage the proc at all.

I thought that only worked with a spell with a cast time? Or does it count Exorcism as having a cast time even when it's instant via Art of War?

Not sure on that.
Don't have a Ret spec pally to test it out.
But it seems to be working for Toned.