Arthas will be boxable

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Originally Posted by Rocky Rhode

I don’t see him poofing.

Blizz acknowledged they made a huge mistake in BC designing so much of the encounters to challenge the 1% who actually got to see them. They even had to seriously nerf the crap out of them to allow perhaps another 15% of the player base access prior to WoTLK.

I see Arthas getting his arse handed to him by every casual tom, dick and larry; leaving some new encounters for the 10/25 dungeons.

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You know I really doubt Arthas will be someone that everyone kills. They may see him at the end of icecrown, but Im guessing hes going to be a badass like Algalon. With that said I really dont care for the elitist attitude that crops up so much in WoW. There are so many encounters that most of WoW will never see, even in a good PuG (algalon, mimiron, hell most of Ulduar.) Yes, ToC is PuGable, but not heroic. You might find some people that can do it in a PuG but your average group will get destroyed by Heroic ToC. I imagine Icecrown will work the same. Normal modes will be PuGable(sans Arthas), but if you want the best gear you better do heroic.

Yes it is!

I'm pretty sure Arthas will be at the end of a 10/25 man icecrown citadel raid because at Blizcon the guys at the raid panel said so, they showed first the icecrown raid with Arthas on the Top Floor, and then went on to the icecrown citadel dungeons, Whether he'll 'poof' away or not im not sure.
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Ps This is where they say it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy9zdoboAPo

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

You know I really doubt Arthas will be someone that everyone kills. They may see him at the end of icecrown, but Im guessing hes going to be a badass like Algalon. With that said I really dont care for the elitist attitude that crops up so much in WoW. There are so many encounters that most of WoW will never see, even in a good PuG (algalon, mimiron, hell most of Ulduar.) Yes, ToC is PuGable, but not heroic. You might find some people that can do it in a PuG but your average group will get destroyed by Heroic ToC. I imagine Icecrown will work the same. Normal modes will be PuGable(sans Arthas), but if you want the best gear you better do heroic.

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/agree x 5

The Normal mode will drop same ilvl items as toc5 heroic. I can imagine this will be a hard instance, but still pug'able heroic with good geared people. Why?

I don't really think anything 5 man wont be pug'able with good geared people, because there's not many people to count on. Say if it was 25, NOBODY could make a singel mistake, because moving wrong or something similiar would wipe the hole raid. That would be un-pugable.