Twinks and lack of games

i think the deal is that not all the twinks in the game were or are as outspoken as others. also depending on your battlegroup queues can pop in 5-10 min around the clock. ruin and cyclone are and have been 2 of the most popular battlegroups for twinks and theyre still active with the a fore mentioned queue times.

there have always been twinks that just liked to wtfpwn non twinks and there still are but your assumption that the ones who said theyd rather fight non twinks being liars is not built on solid evidence. none of the quoted questions indicate any sort of desire to be able to shred nontwinks... only to be able to get more games. i think for the most part the 'hardcore' twink community would be totally happy with the changes if only they could play without having to switch battlegroups.

but im probably wrong. my assumptions about humanity usually come back to bite me in the ass...

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Originally Posted by Aradar

As for their complaint this has increased their queues to the point of making the actual battles nonexistent, how does one read into that they were lying when they said they would prefer to play other twinks?

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On the face of it, you can't. But read some of the old twink threads where they're all "OMG that BG sucked! Almost no twinks and we just facerolled 'em in 5 minutes." Then go sit in Org and listen to those same twinks brag and boast about how they annihilated an entire group of "scrubby po-ass nubs" (that's a direct quote from a few weeks ago from one of the loudest-mouthed twinks on my server) without even losing half their health. I suppose I could have included that as the other half of the data set and my original point would have made more sense. :P

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

On the face of it, you can't. But read some of the old twink threads where they're all "OMG that BG sucked! Almost no twinks and we just facerolled 'em in 5 minutes." Then go sit in Org and listen to those same twinks brag and boast about how they annihilated an entire group of "scrubby po-ass nubs" (that's a direct quote from a few weeks ago from one of the loudest-mouthed twinks on my server) without even losing half their health. I suppose I could have included that as the other half of the data set and my original point would have made more sense. :P

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those jerks dont speak for all twinks though. and that still doesnt support the argument based on the evidence given. thats just saying some twinks like steamrolling battlegrounds + some twinks are complaining that queues are too long = twinks never liked fighting each other even though they said they did. it doesnt add up. now if you show me a quote of all the twinks saying they hate fighting each other and that they wish they could just pwn noobs some more then ill be more inclined to agree with you. but right now and from what ive read it seems the majority of twinks are just looking for ways to get to play and are only really upset because of that fact.

it looks to me like its pretty much come down to unless blizz consolidates battlegroups for xp locked players (which they most likely wont do), the twinks are just gonna end up consolidating themselves into 2-3 battlegroups and havin a good ole time.


edit: i found evidence to support my claim here.

edit2: i havent read all of it so i may end up eating my foot :)

I hopped into the 30-39 WSG bracket on an alt to see what the exp gain was like, and there was a twink there. He grabbed the flag, ran back to our base, and sat on the roof the whole game. We returned our flag and waited for him to cap, but he never did. He said "you guys ruined the game for twinks, so I'm just here to ruin the game for you now." 20 minutes and ~5% level exp later I got 2 tokens and was completely turned off of mixing BG's in with questing while leveling.

Yes, I put in a ticket as I assume he'll get some sort of warning about going "against the spirit of the game" but I'm not holding my breath.

After glorying in the QQ of the twink community, I got to thinking ... like, I'd always wanted to investigate gearing up a twink, for broadly the same reasons that I get a thrill out of sending frostweave bags and cash to my level 1 alt. It's like a weird nurturing thing, an extended, labor-intensive character customization. I never did start a twink because of the other factor: twinks tend to be bullies.

NOW a twink doesn't have to be a bully, because players who otherwise wouldn't get a fair fight with him, don't have to play in his game. That's awesome. It's pretty encouraging. Balanced, of course, by the problems the twinks are currently complaining about, but I wonder if this change will compel twink-curious folks into making their own, and eventually help re-populate those BGs into more-or-less balanced, hardcore environments.

i made a few twinks just to do the best in slot research and use outlandishly high enchants on them. Lost its appeal when you can curb stomp people. Lost even more appeal when I found other twinks to fight and found out I'm not very good at PvP.

That said, I'd argue the lack of Twink BGs activating rises from a genuine lack of twink players operating in the same battle groups. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume, until proven otherwise, a viable twinking community might be buildable if a battle group was designated Twink Haven.

I love twinks as long as I never have to see them, hear them or communicate with them in any way. They can buy my low-level blue crap off the AH for bazillions of gold, but they flat-out ruined battlegrounds. I can't recall the last time I entered a non-max BG and wasn't met with an assault of "GTFO of this game, scrub!' from my own teammates because I wasn't a twink.

All that bullshit talk in the BGs is why I lost interest in games such as Counter Strike also. Never really cared to make a twink anyways either. Never saw the point in it. I've even managed to roll over a couple twinks when I ran my Rogue thru WSG and AB a few times when no one else could get'em. And my Rogue was in greens at the time. Alot of them in there are all loud mouthed assholes anyway. I'd get freakin insult emotes left and right when they'd kill me in there. More than I've ever gotten from opposing factions. Still, alot of the BS trash talk has been on my own team's side from everyone tryin to play leader at the same time. Now once the twinking community actually grows much larger and have some BGs up all the time, then I'll consider rolling a twink group. Might be all rogues to show them up. :D

The key difference between the multi-boxers and the twinks is that the latter style of gameplay impacts severely upon that of others, and in fact defeats Blizzards whole intention for the PvP areas. It seems twinks wanted to be able to stay there permanently and grief others, but ignored the old saw "Be careful what you wish for...".

I don't have any feelings at all (either good or bad) towards twinks.

The only bad experiences I've ever had in battlegrounds is if I dare to go in at less than half the maximum level for the BG range, in which case - on my battlegroup at least - you can expect all sorts of abuse from your "team mates".

I don't find the anti-twink argument in any way compelling though.

In the absence of an effective gear matching mechanism for the level 80 BGs, a twink compared to a "normal" character working their way through the levels is no different to a fully epic PvP geared level 80 compared to a fresh 80.