Ultimate IWIN button finally perfected (Elemental Shaman EM+Trink+FS+LvB)

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=209327#post20 9327

Yeah ROV was a burn for me tonight (Gear and just plain old lack of experience in the arena. Haven't done it since S3 as a lock to 2k) Anyways yeah I still gotta work on it cause I wasn't sure if it was working correctly or maybe my guys were targetting the burn target. I'm not sure but I was doing it the same you have but I think I need a macro to /assist and /focus and /cleartarget all at the same time.

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Do what I did. I ungrouped my shamans, went to Nagrand and rode into the OUTDOOR arena (not the one you queue for!! lol), and had each shaman test on his buddies. Focus one hostile shaman, then target a different hostile shaman. When you hit your IWIN button, make sure to check that ALL 3 spells go to the non-selected focused shaman. Keep attacking with the IWIN button until the focus dies (sad I know, but for the cause). Once he is dead, and you are still targeting the original, unfocused, live shaman, check to see that the IWIN button spells NOW start hitting him.

If it behaves as stated above, then you copied correctly and it works fine. The /assist <***> should be whatever system you usually use to assist all your spells. Mine is FTL, some use party1, some use character name, etc.

I'm not using any /cleartarget, it shouldn't be necessary at all. If you are hard targeting a decoy... its GOOD for the enemy to see you targeting so don't /clear it. If youre taking time to assign focus... then hard targeting that focus before using the focus macro... then I'm sorry you just wasted your time and aren't fooling any healers:P

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Completely wrong.

I'm now at 2k in a highly competitive BG, and gladiator teams do NOT react fast enough to my focus kills. In fact, with a clear LOS, I have actually killed 100% of my targets with my focus macro (been running it for 6 days now). AND they are usually hunters, mages, pallies and druids, and some 34khp warriors too... 4 of which have 1 button instant immunity. What IS true however, is that without a focus based kill button, a 2k+ healer will shield and pre heal your new target before the lava leaves your hand.

How can you say that healers are TOO fast for a no target 1 second kill.... yet they are slow enough for you to target... wait .5 seconds to account for assist lag... and then fire off a 1.5 second combo..... you contradict yourself and you should take a look at your setup. And btw.. there are decently dependable ways to launch 1-3 hexes... without using focus.

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yeah ok I'm just trying that at the moment

are you using hex in arena?

I am planning on using a new hex system starting this week. I don't really like using hex in 5v5, but ignoring a core class ability bothers me too. I'm going to find a way to effectively use it.

I was running a "/cast [target=mouseover] hex" macro ONLY on my main character until this week, for 2 distinct reasons. Using mouseover targeting will not affect my clones target, whereas clicking to hex.. and 2 seconds later your clones nuke that same target would be fail. Up until now "split" targeting for hex has been a roadblock for me. Running /targetenemy, whether stacked/staggered across characters or not, and /casting hex on 4 guys WILL fail 99% of the time. The reason? (which most of you already know) - because most of the time our characters are semi-aligned and equidistant from enemies, wow client will usually return the same target to all shamans using these macros. Therefore when you cast multiple hexs, 2+ of them will land on the same target and immediately trigger full diminishing returns... ie you just wasted ~2 seconds to cast a 1-2 second hex (max).

I was brainstorming for a way to use gladius targeting for hex, and to be honest was too stupid to think of looking under the keybindings menu (until Mcgee pointed it out yesterday on some post, THANK YOU mcgee). Yesterday I ran Gladius on all 4 shams, tested some skirmishes to ensure enemies are listed in the same order across all shamans(which they are woot). Basically I am going to run a gladius target based /hex on 3-4 shamans this week and see how I like it. The redeeming quality about hex's stupidly short range... is that after you cast it, you're pretty much guaranteed that the remaining unhexed targets will be ranged 20+ yards away... which is who you should be nuking anyway.. so it has potential for that reason.

How/When to use hex? I have to do some testing this week to make sure I like it, but theorycrafting would tell me that the best strat would be, to begin the match by still killing 1 soft target off the bat before I start thinking about using hex. With 5 enemies alive there is too much dmg/cc/spell interupt pressure to be wasting 2 seconds of dps on a gimmicky CC. Plus, waiting til that first target is dead means my priest has surely dropped scream, I have EB'd them, and 95% chance their trinkets are down by that time. Most teams fighting a good quad shaman are very very scared and will trinket at the first sign of snare/fear to run for LOS.

ok I tried to perfect this and found that my main works fine like the macro should but none of my slaves do...They cast the flame shock and thats it....hmmm

Edit: Ok got it to work when its focus but not as no focus...hmm

make sure you have that SECOND set of empty brackets in there. Check to make sure they all read:

[target=focus,exists,nodead][] .....

Yeah I got that..still not sure why it only works with focus and not normal targetting. I copied the macro from here exactly. The only thing I can think of is that my slaves are assisting properly. Which is very strange cause I have a general macro I use for my normal LvB that I just /click from.

Ahh I get it its because I don't have a keymap for each char for the proper targetting to occur.

I havent tested this but my burst macro was a 90% kill a few weeks ago, now it seems like only 2-3 Flameshocks lands and i have no idea what is causing this. (No not enemy gorundings)

I suspect the enemies to chain silence/stun random toons to stop the burst comming from 4 chars and they are doing pretty well at it.

My macro looks like this: (not that i got a seperate burst button trough focus and one that burst my current target)

#showtooltip Elemental Mastery
/use trinketname
/cast blood fury
/cast elemental mastery
/castsequence [target=focus,harm] reset=8 flame shock, lava burst, chain lightning

Is there any weakness in this macro?

When i passed 1850 im suddenly unable to kill anything even with 130 more spelldamage (furiouse dagger and shield)

Teams seems to somehow eat my burst no matter what i do.

I can't believe I didn't think of using focus to stop the other team seeing who I was about to nuke....

/facepalm

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Originally Posted by 'Dominian',index.php?page=Thread&postID=209698#pos t209698

I havent tested this but my burst macro was a 90% kill a few weeks ago, now it seems like only 2-3 Flameshocks lands and i have no idea what is causing this. (No not enemy gorundings)

I suspect the enemies to chain silence/stun random toons to stop the burst comming from 4 chars and they are doing pretty well at it.

My macro looks like this: (not that i got a seperate burst button trough focus and one that burst my current target)

#showtooltip Elemental Mastery
/use trinketname
/cast blood fury
/cast elemental mastery
/castsequence [target=focus,harm] reset=8 flame shock, lava burst, chain lightning

Is there any weakness in this macro?

When i passed 1850 im suddenly unable to kill anything even with 130 more spelldamage (furiouse dagger and shield)

Teams seems to somehow eat my burst no matter what i do.

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The focus part of your macro is exactly the same as mine obviously. So your first kill should go off the same. However, if your match lasts 3 minutes (which believe it or not they do in Blades Edge, when your EM is ready a second time, unless you're using gladius focusing hotkeys, you wont be able to use the BOOM a second time. Also you should add "nodead" conditional to the macro so they don't sit there trying to fire on a corpse(might wanna just copy mine, its only a little different).

@not getting 4 nukes off - I competely know what you mean. Glad. teams KNOW that any of their players can survive 3xLavas... so if they are smart, which those teams are, they will sit a rogue on one of your shamans and just chain kick him. If theres a resto druid on their team, which there commonly is, he will just rotate continuous cyclones between your guys... so now you're down 2.

The answer to these comps? Perfect play on our part.. it sucks but its true. You have to chain your TS macro perfectly... meaning you get full use out of all 4 knockbacks. If you hear the rogue COS the thunderstorms, wait/TS him 1 more time, and drop his ass with the focus macro. Other than that, heavy caster teams CC will be really bad, if they're smart and you dont redrop groundings, your healer has the potential to be permenantly locked out... and I mean not 1 second free from cc (we once just sat and watched a glad team chain CC on my priest for over 90 seconds... their dmg wasnt as high... but um... omfg.) Heavy melee teams are just as bad with pummels/kicks etc. The answer.. and its a tough answer, to all these dps lockdown issues.. .is thunderstorm chain.. and wait for that perfect moment when you see your focus in front of you.. and melee are clear 5-20 ft away. If youre not sure if one of ur shams is stunned... dont chance it - trinket+boom if you have to.

thanks very much asonimie :>

I have tried your focus makro in arena today and played 8-1 to 1850+. .. game on again :>

also pwnd a well ranked gladiator team 4 times in a row, just focused the shit out of them :>