Good points, I guess the next question is what do you do after you've cleared all the heroics and geared up nicely but the multiboxing community is not large enough on your realm to try anything bigger?
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Good points, I guess the next question is what do you do after you've cleared all the heroics and geared up nicely but the multiboxing community is not large enough on your realm to try anything bigger?
That is the $1,000,000 question. For me the answer was cancel all my slave accounts and stop multiboxing. Was fun while it lasted but now that I'm back in my old guild full of cool people I'm enjoying single boxing more than I did multiboxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Crucial',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202251#post 202251
It takes me a few minutes to gear my brain into this discussion (not that I have much to contribute), because for me, the goal has always been to run heroics. The idea of gearing up to run something other than the next harder heroic in the sequence is not immediately graspable to me!
Though, as a result of running heroics, reaching toward my goals and having a good time, I *could raid now. I think about it now and then, usually when a friend on another server reports his guild's latest slaughtering of some ridiculous boss or other. For reasons already stated in this thread (waiting for hours for a group followed by a crappy run with a repair bill), and that I don't intend to stop multiboxing so don't want to join anyone else's guild, I doubt it'll happen.
I think my own answer to the $1,000,000 question is ... dude, I've got three other teams to play, and I don't yet have a single Raven Lord mount. :)
Yeah I definately wanna farm mounts for whatever toon I decided is going to be my main whenever I get around to 80 lol. Tiger from ZG, ravenlord, the white ostrich from mgt, rivendares mount, attunemens steed, headless horsemans mount (in october lol) and the epic flyer Hachoo has, the blue proto drake lol.
Yeh I think the answer here is that its gonna be different for every person. On my server I cant even get into a Naxx pug with a single character because I dont have the achievement to link them already -.- I am fresh at 80 though so give me a few weeks of gearing and im sure Ill be making the same decision about wether I want to spend my time in a PUG or do it the hard way and go solo all the way. Personally Im thinking Ill just do a bit of both depending how tolerant im feeling on a given day :)
Edit: One thing I definately want to do when Ive got some gear though is go back through as many wow classic dungeons and raids again for nostalgia purposes, then possibly move onto tbc stuff, tho I think ive seen most of that enough to last a life time!
I have been 80 for a few weeks now with the team, originally my pally got to 80 and started to run heroics. I can clear UK no problem, I can clear Gundrak with some difficulty on second boss, first boss of UP for an easy emblem, DTK for an easy few other emblems, and CoT for another few easy emblems, take maybe an hour if everything goes well with every instance, per instance. So that's 3 in UP, 3-5 in Gun if I feel like clearing it but sometimes second boss gets frustrating and I just say screw it, 1 in UP I only do first boss, I get my butt whooped by other bosses and gauntlet sucks. And CoT in itself is an easy 4 other emblems, so 3+3 to 5+1+4= 11-13 for me so not too bad and the rep I make with the given place I am running for is great, that is one thing that the heroics have over running Naxx, there is no rep gain in Naxx at all. And then you dont have to deal with the horribad PUGS you can get into, any PUG you get into can turn out bad so why take the chance when you have your own group.
That is the question I'm tossing around right now. Two months into 80, i've purchased all Emblem of Heroism gear available and aside from a couple items that just won't drop for me, I've pulled everything I need out of all heroics. I'm working on the Glory of the Hero meta now for kicks inbetween Naxx and Ulduar runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Crucial',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202251#post 202251
As far as gearing up in heroics as a full team vs. running solo: (pal + sham)
Freshly dinged at 80 I was able to do Heroic culling of Stratholme then jumped in and did Gundrak and Utgarde Keep. After a few days of hammering on those and getting them down to reasonable runs I had snagged a couple decent drops for the team as well as enough emblems to snag the first emblem gear. From there I was able to steadily add new instances every couple days IIRC. I did blow a chunk of cash on my tank to get him up to Defense cap, and had 4 Titansteel guardians crafted for the sham (which 3/4 are still using).
I chose to run the whole team through heroics as a unit so I could get emblem gear at the same pace; and since emblems were my focus rather then heroic drops it made the most sense to me to run them all at once. Once I had purchased everything I needed with emblems I started running 4 + 1 guildy if anyone needed a particular instance.
It hasn't become clear to me yet whether or not I will continue to bring multiple toons to raids - Naxx is pretty easy to bring 4 or 5 in (either 10s or 25s) but Ulduar is kicking my butt. At this stage, I will likely be shutting down 3 slave accounts and just keeping my tank and main shaman (the accounts also have my priest/mage duo).
Raid gear is shiny and sexy, but the thought of running multiple toons through PuG raids to gear them up independently sounds painful to me. If I am not playing all of them at once in a raid, I will likely not be in a situation where having that extra iLevel on the groups' gear will make that much of a difference - fully kitted out in Heroic level gear makes herocis pretty much a walk in the park (aside from certain encounter mechanics that are unrelated to gear).
Your argument is sound. However, I personally don't play for more than a couple of hours at a time. I don't have time to sit around trying to get a PuG going. So, five boxing heroics or doing dailies to buy gear works out for me. If I did play like I used to (say 6-8 hour sessions) I wouldnt' even have to do heroics for very long [heck, even on my current schedule I don't really need to do that many]. There is no reason to, well besides for fun and the sense of accomplishment. There is a ton of pre-raid gear you can buy or get from rep [at least for the classes I play] that prepares you for Naxx. I also get to play the spec I want.
It also turns out that Naxx isn't all that difficult [never been, but that's my general impression] so things have changed since BC (pre-Kara changes etc) where PuGs now have more success (at least that's what it seems like). Also, my experience in BC was that people were very much unwilling to carry anyone through an instance or raid. If you didn't pass a gear check you weren't going. Maybe that's changed, I dunno.
Also, keep in mind it is now late in the game. People are pretty much geared out, so hitting Nax etc as a new toon will get you a ton of gear.
For me, MB'ing has always been about convenience, first and foremost.
I have a set amount of time to play each day, usually not more than 2-3 hours. I don't have time to run Naxx PUG and personally, I find it irritating doing PUG's in general.
I have farmed the same 3 heroics for the last month (Gundrak, Drak'tharon Keep, and Utgarde Keep) and have a lot of upgrades, as well as a ton of DE stuff. I am ready to raid now, if I wanted.
As it is, I am looking to go to Naxx, but with some friends that I have on my server. They are not geared well right now, but we are working towards it. I am also planning on leveling up another group (mixed this time) so that I can continue playing the game on my own terms.
That's what it really boils down to for me: playing the game completely on my own terms. That and the fact that I will know that EVERYTHING that my bots have has been through my hard work alone. I take a bit of pride in knowing this, even though their gear is not that good.
Figure out why you play first and then go from there. If its to feel like your toon is more powerful (geared) than 50% of the players, then multiboxing isn't that great. You can ding 80 and instantly have epics in virtually every slot crafted/bought from AH, run a naxx25/voa25/os25 pug the very same day and upgrade a few slots. Run ulduar10/25 that same week and be within 90% of the top raider on your server. All within 7 days.
I should know, my DK hit 80 about 2 months ago and within a week he was sitting on insanely great gear and within a month he was pretty much geared BiS in almost everything. You can farm gold much faster 5x but remember you are paying $15x5 as well. Just spending a few hours a week playing the auction house can net you thousands and thousands of gold if you do it right.
On the other hand multiboxing is much more fun for doing things like daily skadi runs (almost impossible to do as fast any other way), clobbering out heroic achievements, getting 5x fishing/cooking quests done, blowing shit up in Wintergrasp, soloing old raids, etc. Its not the "optimal" route for high end PVE anymore, imo.
In TBC it made a lot of sense to multibox PVE since either you did heroics or you did raids, you kind of did have to pick which camp you fell into since high end raiding was difficult and time consuming. In WOTLK you don't have to choose, EVERYONE can single box raid and get the best gear without massive time commitments - my guild does ulduar25 twice a week, if you don't sign up for the week no big deal you don't get gkicked (lol), and we're already at Mimiron (10 bosses in). Ulduar regular mode is really not much harder than Naxx, the hardcore people have the hard modes for the extra challenge.