What are shaman groups seeing for DPS in heroics?

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Originally Posted by 'pinotnoir',index.php?page=Thread&postID=164034#po st164034

Dont expect a huge increase from the patch. We will still suck for dps. And you have to love the devs idea of aoe. Here shaman use magma totem to aoe and dont drop your totem of wrath. Pretty stupid to do aoe you need to ignore one of the talented totems elementals get that boost group/raid damage. If you were in a raid I am sure the raid would do more damage with your wrath totem than you dropping a shitty magma.

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Why would I not expect more DPS from the patch? I know how to read. Free 10% more spell power to LB, 20% more spell power to LvB, not to mention freeing up a bunch of talent points giving me spare ones to add to mp5 talents, damage talents, etc. All in all even if we're still "lower" then other classes, its quite a LARGE dps boost.

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Originally Posted by 'Meeo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=163928#post163 928

My 2 Ele Shamans do around 1700 to 1800, in heroics, 2100 to 2200 generally on the lower side, in 10/25 man naxx.

My boomkin, 1 button spam castrandom, does around 2300 to 2700 dps on heroic bosses and for his pretty weak gear hes does near 3K in 10/25 naxx

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This is why I say dont expect much. As fur said maybe a 6% increase in damage. Take a look at his shaman vs druid dps. We are suppose to be on par with a moonkin but we are far from it. Elemental shaman dps is terrible. When you have to be naxx geared to do the dps other classes can do with heroics and 5 mans there is a major problem. Yes the buffs in damage are nice. However, they need to do much more work on elemental dps. When tanks can outdps a dps spec something big needs to change. So far the new changes dont close the gap in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by 'pinotnoir',index.php?page=Thread&postID=164067#po st164067

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Originally Posted by 'Meeo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=163928#post163 928

My 2 Ele Shamans do around 1700 to 1800, in heroics, 2100 to 2200 generally on the lower side, in 10/25 man naxx.

My boomkin, 1 button spam castrandom, does around 2300 to 2700 dps on heroic bosses and for his pretty weak gear hes does near 3K in 10/25 naxx

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This is why I say dont expect much. As fur said maybe a 6% increase in damage. Take a look at his shaman vs druid dps. We are suppose to be on par with a moonkin but we are far from it. Elemental shaman dps is terrible. When you have to be naxx geared to do the dps other classes can do with heroics and 5 mans there is a major problem. Yes the buffs in damage are nice. However, they need to do much more work on elemental dps. When tanks can outdps a dps spec something big needs to change. So far the new changes dont close the gap in my eyes.

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Yeah, i myself am hoping for at least 200 to 300+ dps increase, agian that is a hope, we will probably see around 100 maybe 150?

I got just under 3K dps on the test dummies solo buffed on the test server. VERY nice increase IMO. On top of the magma totem changes, this is really nice!

The Magma totem changes alone are really nice. They are 650 normal to 1300 crit per pulse. vs like 250 pre-patch. Going to be really nice for AOE.

My druid is pretty geared and he's not out-dpsing my shaman by more than +/- 100dps (single target). Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I just use /castrandom wrath, starfall

Although, the druid AOE spell is NUTS, I crit for like 1600 per pulse.

Shamans wil be fine after the patch, we're not too bad off right now, deep ele I can do 4500(its been so long since i was deep ele, all wws expired, so no link), so Im hoping t0 gain another 300ish dps from the patch.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=164085#po st164085

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Originally Posted by 'Kicksome',index.php?page=Thread&postID=164081#pos t164081

I got just under 3K dps on the test dummies solo buffed on the test server. VERY nice increase IMO. On top of the magma totem changes, this is really nice!

The Magma totem changes alone are really nice. They are 650 normal to 1300 crit per pulse. vs like 250 pre-patch. Going to be really nice for AOE.

My druid is pretty geared and he's not out-dpsing my shaman by more than +/- 100dps (single target). Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I just use /castrandom wrath, starfall

Although, the druid AOE spell is NUTS, I crit for like 1600 per pulse.

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May I ask what macro you're using for Shaman DPS? Or at least cast sequence?

Or at least a link to your armory profiles? :D

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This looks like Kicksome's guild:

http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info....unGankable&p=1

3K DPS solo buffed sounds like a lot more than I would expect. I do see he has at least one shammy with the dual-wield hybrid spec.

I'd love to hear some PTR versus live numbers comparing apples to apples and with full details shared. I'd do it but <must gear up>

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I start with a flame shock and then use /castrandom lava burst,chain lightning,lightning bolt,purge,flame shock
and get apx the same DPS as my current hit points for a single boss fight so my unbuffed stats are
+1700 spell
20% crit
140 hit
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dps is apx 1700 ( with totems down )

maxdps.com says I should be doing over 2000 dps with only 1500 spell and 15% crit.
I know I have to do a group chain heal once in a while so maybe it's the chain heal that's killing my dps numbers.
anyone doing better than this with using a castsequence instead of castrandom ?

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Originally Posted by 'Niley',index.php?page=Thread&postID=164087#post16 4087

Shamans wil be fine after the patch, we're not too bad off right now, deep ele I can do 4500(its been so long since i was deep ele, all wws expired, so no link), so Im hoping t0 gain another 300ish dps from the patch.

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I would highly interested in any WWS you could get showing this, im curious to the see the data to figure out why many of the current 25 man t7 shamans are no where near that kind of DPS that is not a hybrid.

Just to clarify, I'm getting just under 3K dps with the deep ele build on the PTR on a level 80 training dummy. I'm using the FS, LvB,CL, LB sequence, done by hand on a single target (no heroism), solo buffed. With my Hybrid spec, best I get is around 2.6K in 10 man naxx on live.

With this toon: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...nd&n=Sweetcups

Also, to clarify on my earlier posts, a buff is a buff. Right now I can run heroics just fine. If they're giving my DK a tank buff and all 4 of my elemental shamans a DPS buff (even if thats only 6% which actually for me I bet its more since I probably don't use an optimal rotation, I'm guessing my DPS will actually jump more like 10-12%) will make heroics that were tough before a lot easier, and heroics that were normal before a total cakewalk. I'm very excited for this patch. Really its mostly just the PvPers that are "down" about the current patch, in which case why are you even posting in the PvE forum? This patch is a HUGE PvE buff for my entire team.