Removal of Keyclone

you have 2 problems then. it closing and not shutting down properly and you cant remove it. firstly i'd like to know why you find it runs wierd apart from the shutdown thing?

on the not shutting down properly, use the task manager to close it under processes. its a pain when it does that but its nothing to worry about. and removing it is easy, just delete the folder when exploring your HDD. i've had keyclone for .. 4 months i think now and have had that "bug" happen 3 or 4 times now. it normally goes away on its own

I've had this issue since I've been running keyclone. First off, how do you terminate the program? If you just hit "x" on the application's window, you'll probably find that it doesn't terminate the application completely and it stays on the system tray.

A better way of terminating the program would be to actually right-click on the keyclone icon on the system tray and select exit/quit (don't remember the exact command of the top of my head). I found that exiting keyclone this way is "cleaner."

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KC is a very small application, the use of an installshield for KC would be like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly.

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This bothers me to no end. I passed on KeyClone probably 3-4 times before I even considered running it.

I mean, between having no installer and the link across the top of the page going straight to downloading an executable, any smart person would be questioning programs legitimacy. I had to google Keyclone to get to the homepage for it, just so I could read about what it actually does, which was a trial in and of itself because the majority of the information there is just "patch notes" and update information. No real general features.

And if that doesn't flag you, besides it's obvious legitimate program functionality, a name like "keyclone" isn't exactly on my list of "hey, let's install this random program with no documentation." To me it was like a program being called "keylogger.exe"

If having an installer was a requirement for every app I have, I'd have to rip about 70% of my software off my machines.

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Originally Posted by 'Duese',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161021#post16 1021

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KC is a very small application, the use of an installshield for KC would be like using a sledgehammer to kill a fly.

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This bothers me to no end. I passed on KeyClone probably 3-4 times before I even considered running it.

I mean, between having no installer and the link across the top of the page going straight to downloading an executable, any smart person would be questioning programs legitimacy. I had to google Keyclone to get to the homepage for it, just so I could read about what it actually does, which was a trial in and of itself because the majority of the information there is just "patch notes" and update information. No real general features.

And if that doesn't flag you, besides it's obvious legitimate program functionality, a name like "keyclone" isn't exactly on my list of "hey, let's install this random program with no documentation." To me it was like a program being called "keylogger.exe"

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I had similar concerns with Hotkeynet which is just an .exe file. However, I'm glad I got over my tin-foil-hat because the amount of joy that multiboxing, through using HKN, has provided has been well worth the marginal increase in paranoia.

You don't "need" an installer for every little program; especially small utility like applications (which I consider Keyclone to be). It's good that you are careful and a name like "Keyclone" does sound a little cautious. But frankly, I would be more worried about a program called HappyLittleRainbowApp. If it really were a keylogging app, it sure does have a name that fails lol.

Like others have said, the systray icon hanging around is a bug and killing the process in Task Manager works (mouse over the icon after that to get the graphics to refresh and the icon should go away).

And again, just delete the folder; there are no other traces of Keyclone on your computer; no registry settings, shared dll's, etc.

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Originally Posted by 'Duese',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161021#post16 1021

I mean, between having no installer

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People that know enough to install, say, Microsoft Office without having any further clue about how computers work really, really confuse me. It's called an executable file because it's already in a form the computer can, you know, execute...with further installation only being necessary if the program wants to do things like sticking its fingers in the Windows registry without having to do a runtime check every launch.

Programs that need installation are the anomalies, not ones that just work.

The Sys tray is there on Windows Vista 64 as well, i have found it almost always happens after my computer goes to "Sleep" for a bit.

Killing the process in Task Manager works or you can always reboot :p

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... It's called an executable file because it's already in a form the computer can, you know, execute...with further installation only being necessary if the program wants to do things like sticking its fingers in the Windows registry without having to do a runtime check every launch.

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Sorry, I'm going to requantify my earlier statements. Any program that is being marketed and sold (be it purchased or gifted from a donation) should be produced in a professional manner. This means at minimum that it has both an installer and and uninstaller.

This has nothing to do with dumb people, program size, or the price of rice.

Hey, that's just my opinion though.

Historically, very few applications came with an installer. As computers and applications became more complex (and arguably as users became less so) the installer was created to automate what was once a simple task.

Many applications today still do not come with an installer, KeyClone is but one example. This is less common on Windows, but much more so on other operating systems. For example on OS X many applications do not use an installer -- even if they use one for other operating systems. I recently 'installed' Skype on my MacBook which simply involved dragging and dropping it into the Applications folder, no installer required. The vast majority of applications on Linux are distributed through a package manager (which is similar to but not the same as an installer).

As a matter of fact, an operating system are a great example of an application that is installed and generally does not come with an uninstaller. Does this mean it's time to ditch Windows and run off a Linux Live CD???

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