Incoming Pally Nerfs that Affect Tanks

Yea, it's becoming a bit of a catch phrase now :) Well, for ret pallies, they had devie storm which was holy damage. No one has any type of resistant/mitigation against it except for resilience. Changing it to physical dmg wasn't a huge nerf but imo, more of a good change.

Also, the other thing that is a bit iffy is their ability to bubble for 12 seconds and still dish out huge dmg. Now the downside of bubbling is that they attack 100% slower...this is fine, but then Blizzard decided to give them 3 powerful instant cast attacks on small cds which make the speed penalty moot. Not to mention the 2 other spells which got changed to instant cast spells.

Those above are the two problems I find with the ret spec and my reasons for it. Possibly also add in LoH becoming a 5 min spell, if you don't think going from whatever to 100% health instantly, as a dps spec, isn't OP, then there really isn't enough explaining in the world to make you understand.

PS: Now pallies can understand the mana problems which hunters have had to deal with for over a year, which are still worse than pallies.

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Originally Posted by 'valkry',index.php?page=Thread&postID=140132#post1 40132

Hmm, stealthy said it before but I'm going to say it again...TO THE GROUND!!

No seriously, ret pallies whinged for ages, they have more collective nerd tears than any other class, they get massively buffed and laugh at everyone else and tell them to l2p...did they really expect any sympathy when they got nerfed?

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The damage isnt THAT insane but the burst is crazy when HoJ'ed..

Ret paladins like ench shamans have just asked to be on better par with rogues and warriors not better just equal, and i bet most of them will be happy if they got useful like rogues/warriors. A friend of mine have played retadin trought TBC and have done arena with me and a mate (resto druid,warrior,ret paladin) A easy way would be either to drop me for a resto shaman or take a rogue wich outpreforms a paladin in EVERY and the rogue cant be mana burned either.

But facts beeing said my mate said "I can understand why people whine" so its not like the above average paladin didnt see this comming.

Lets see whats happening to mutilate rogues and arcane mages...

The best talent by FAR given in 3.0 was Dismantle as its crazy how much damage i can dish out vs people with shields..

Me and another mutilate rogue (I wear S1 and he weared s2) took down a protadin with 16k hp within 10 seconds easy.. Truth beeing said is that he DID wear pve gear so he most likley had low resillience. :)

My ret pally mate who raided with us was equal dps with rogues when put in the same group as them. I've said it before, ret was a great spec for pros to excel in and be up there, but now any noob in greens who can roll he face over the keyboard can pump out over 1k dps. It's a shame, because they will be known like the huntards now...ret-ards.

As for pvp, there are 3 classes who mana drain, but pvp is rock, paper scissors. You aren't meant to be able to beat every other class (unless you are a rogue).

Give pallies a closing spell imo (in fact, make their ranged taunt a DK/scorpian like move, would help to draw mobs to the consecration as well). That would shut a lot of them up and balance pvp. Then they could combine the closing spell with a stun, then when that wears off BoF (HoF now), have a small window of when they are kiteable (every class has to have a weakness) then be able to close again, stun, HoF again.

PS: Probably not their taunt, the cd is a bit too short for pvp use

Priest mana got nerfed into the ground. Also hello spell pushback + 2 sec cast + grounding totems, how are you today?

I have to hand it to GC, on the arse whooping he's been getting from the paladin community. I have a twink paladin in the 39 brackets & with these changes, it became pally vs pally in terms of if you died. I don't agree nerfing one spec that nerfs the whole class. Prot wasn't just hit, but holy as well. Personally, my girlfriend made a strong point in leaving things now & adjusting weeks into the xpac. They did it with druids & paladins last time. Paladins overall needed this buff, & it seems like a scam. Being a longtime Warlock player; we never in our life have been nerfed this hard or this fast, this is something for the record books...blizzards own black sheep goes home sad.

ATTENTION: Prot is getting readjusted to compensate for the dps nerf, so everyone please, stop using prot getting nerfed too as an example.

Only, and only Holy can be used. The fact that Holy is also getting nerfed is the real and only shame here. It's hard enough for healers to kill things as it is...but you know what? Blizzard is releasing the dual-specs thingie soon, so you can switch to ret easily when you want to kill something.

Blizzard will probably tweak them again before the xpac. As for them QQing about being nerfed now and being left like that because they are fine at 80...the Shamans say hi.

PS: I'm sorry tasty, I didn't realise ret pallies got grounding totems now. Also...windows...you have bubble and fear and cds to help with that spell casting.

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Originally Posted by 'valkry',index.php?page=Thread&postID=140173#post1 40173

PS: I'm sorry tasty, I didn't realise ret pallies got grounding totems now. Also...windows...you have bubble and fear and cds to help with that spell casting.

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Well they do so there :P also my previous post it should be mana burn* :)

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Originally Posted by 'Haruko',index.php?page=Thread&postID=140172#post1 40172

Being a longtime Warlock player; we never in our life have been nerfed this hard or this fast, this is something for the record books...blizzards own black sheep goes home sad.

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I seem to remember the nerfs were pretty quick when the felguard was first introduced - or that one second imp firebolt that hurt big time.

I think when things are so out of balance it becomes evident quickly and something has to be done.

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Originally Posted by 'Mokoi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=140110#post14 0110

they also said they would adjust tanking abilities to offset the nerf to ret paladins.

so uh, yeah no need to adjust your panties.

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Pretty sure I specifically quoted that part as well and even made mention of it.

Not sure if you missed that or are just reemphasizing it.

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Originally Posted by 'valkry',index.php?page=Thread&postID=140173#post1 40173

.... It's hard enough for healers to kill things as it is...but you know what? Blizzard is releasing the dual-specs thingie soon, so you can switch to ret easily when you want to kill something.
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Shadow priests.

Also, please don't nerf Arcane mages. I like mine a lot. Just get rid of that bug that allows rogues to have 2 weapons out at the same time and their stuns.