25-man boss assessment for a 25-boxer

This list is not made to say that anyone here has the resources to do any of these things. I'm speaking hypothetically just to amuse myself. Possible doesn't mean anyone will do it. It just means possible. I do strongly believe that rage winterchill could be taken down by a 25-man team. About the "level 70" thing, well level 80 will change game mechanics a bit so it might affect the possibility of certain encounters. Also, DPS speed matters quite a bit as does health. If everyone has 20k life at level 80, it could make some mechanics not work the same way at all. Some formerly deadly things might be pushed through.

Also, about behing "behind" another impossible boss, someone else could clear it for you if it were impossible to clear to with a MB team.

Look at it like this: If you had every class on every account geared to the teeth with infinite money, how far could you take it? Once again, keep in mind, Gruul has been, 4 or 6 manned, or something like that. Gear changes a lot about what's possible. Most MB players just would never have 25 geared characters enough to tackle a 25 man not to mention the setup for it. That's the only reason some of these bosses aren't down by one of us.

By the way, I promise this was just for fun.

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=126508#p ost126508

How does that list change if everyone is level 75?

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It doesn't. Level 75 is nothing at all, most people will still be using their current gear until about 77-80.

I disagree with a couple things but it's fairly accurate. I think Gruul could be done without any overgearing at all. If you know the fight and you're willing to set up some special movement keys and use a near perfect raid setup. The hard part would be getting to him. Any of the others you would pretty much have to way over gear to have a chance at which point it's a waste of time to do them other then for the e-peen.

For a person that has never learned these fights like sam I don't see a single one of them ever being 25 boxed. I would love to be proved wrong though. Prepared will probably kill some world bosses with some friends helping at some point but that isn't really what I'm referring to.

Maulgar: As I commented in Sams thread, I think Maulgar is doable solo by a 25-boxer. I'd love for someone to prove that. It's gonna require gear though. A freshly dinged 70-team with 500dps pr character aint gonna cut it. This would probably be considered an exploit, since you nuke down Maulgar only, while distracting his adds.

Gruul: Was doable before cheeze death was nerfed with as few as 2-3 people, but would require gear levels way way beyond the encounter itself. Now? Doable with 5-6 super geared guys probaby, anything more than that and you'd just kill yourself on shatters (I have 5-boxed Gruul in a full raid - Trust me, you will NOT survive shatters consistently with anything more than 5 guys).

Nothing in SSC, TK, BT, MH, SW will be possible, mostly due to thrash mobs. But to take only bossencounters into consideration, and to theorycraft on whats humanly possible, lets see.

Hydross: He was soloed by a singleboxing warlock back in the day, but that exploit was fixed. Long since I was in SSC, but if I remember correctly his attacks will go to 400% damage. If you you a top shelf geared tank he will probably be able to sustain this damage indefinitely with enough incoming healing. So it could be reduced to a tank & spank fight. Ice tombs aren't problematic if you spread the raid out nicely. I cant remember whether the adds spawn right away, or the first time you're forced to move hydross over the invisible line, but capped frost res on the maintank (5 items?), plus best in slot for the rest of the itemslots, the movement could possibly be avoided.
Lurker: Nope. Here's a nice picture of our first guildkill of Lurker =)

Morogrim: Healers will take aggro on adds and die, so no, not possible (consecrate you say....hehh, yeah right!).
Leo, Karathress, Vashj: Hell no.

Alar: Nope.
Voidreaver: Maybe with a team fully decked out in arcane resistance gear. The fight itself is really simple. The only problem would be beating his 10 minute enrage timer in resistance gear.
Solarian: Probably quite doable. Before she was nerfed, hell no. But since they made the fight easier with "the bomb", sure. The bomb is easy to detect with bigwigs addon and raidicons. The challenge would be to interrupt the heals of the 2 priest adds.
Kael: Hehh...

MH, BT, SW...are you kidding me? Maybe a couple could be done with a level 80 team.

Bottom line: 1 person will never be able to do much beyond tank & spank, or full on nuke (not even with a brain-to-computer interface), as long as you dont allow some kind of automation or AI. I don't care what people can do in other mmo's. Wow is lightyears ahead of everyone else when it comes to raid encounters, and it's the ONLY game offering such complex scenarios.

When gruul was done with the small group of 5-6, wasn't that with the unhittable dodge rogue as tank?
and at grow 30 (which would insta kill anyone who got hit) Gruul reset to grow 1 i think as blizzard probably never expected the fight to take that long. (considering 'normal' tanks of that gear level usually get one-shotted at grow 17-18+)

Unless this was done with a 'normal' tank group (which i'd love to see, youtube link?) then you can't really compare.
Just like you can't say that Hydross is boxable, just because it has been 1 manned before by warlocks and 'creative use of pathing/game mechanics' :-)

actually, according to Sam's definition those warlocks are probably the top wow players :-) Solo-killed the highest boss anyone has done solo hehe

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Originally Posted by 'TheBigBB',index.php?page=Thread&postID=126469#pos t126469

8. Illidari Council - impossible - the timing on heals and moving out of fires is too critical here. The fight is too long. This is a fight which requires a very focused and disciplined raid of 25 individuals to down. If this could be Multiboxed, Bliz fails at design.

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With one person trying to box this, yes it's impossible. With multiple boxers, I could see this being very possible (even if you had some people who merely 2-boxed).

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Originally Posted by 'kayb',index.php?page=Thread&postID=126575#post126 575

Bottom line: 1 person will never be able to do much beyond tank & spank, or full on nuke (not even with a brain-to-computer interface), as long as you dont allow some kind of automation or AI. I don't care what people can do in other mmo's. Wow is lightyears ahead of everyone else when it comes to raid encounters, and it's the ONLY game offering such complex scenarios.

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I'm going to have to disagree with this, as again, it all depends on your setup. One person running 1 type of classes on 1 computer may not be able to do some of these encounters. I am agreeing with the sense that most/all 25-man raids can't be done with a single person. However, if you're actually running more than 1 machine with keyboards available and different keys being passed through different characters (e.g. no 1 single auto-follow macro, because one follow macro is failure in any design beyond a tank-and-spank), then many things are attainable.

Wait..wat? You disagree with me, but....you also agree with me? I'm confused.

Im assuming you dont agree with me on the following statement: "1 person will never be able to do much beyond tank & spank, or full on nuke (not even with a brain-to-computer interface), as long as you dont allow some kind of automation or AI."

Sure, you can mash a tanking macro on the warrior, and mash a healing macro on 5-6 healers, and a dps macro on your ranged group. You can also move groups around and crowd control targets. Can you do Netherspite? I'd like to hear the counteragrument...what CAN you do?

Lets say you own 25 computers. How many keyboards beyond 1 do you think it would be practical to use?

Some bosses are doable, karathress in scc can be solo tanked by a pally (theres youtube flics about it) but for the rest;

gruul & maulgar; i dont see it happen, but i would gladly be amazed ;)

maggy, perhaps, but picking all adds up, getting them down before he comes lose and getting the nova down, err.. no but next to karathress perhaps the best option to try

scc, only karathress (because of the polly tonk) imo the rest seems to be having too much movement for 25
mh, boss 1 (forgot his name) is fairly tank and spank, and if you nuke hard enough or take target of target macro's and trinkets, mm who knows, but doubtfull
bt, najentus perhaps, if you get 1 char to pick up the spines, chain heal/up enough after and before the shield pops, you have a chance there tbh

other bosses then the ones i named i dont really see happen, but ofcourse i would be gladly amazed :)

Lurker would sure be doabel, a shaodwpriest can heal a full party in the water, even in kara geared shadow priest cna do that


i cant find that video of a paladin aoe tanking karathress, can anyone link it ?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrc1ivr48R4

pala doing karathress