Haste

So I think we can all agree that 785 haste rating is almost impossible. But assuming that 15 haste = 1 then when you are bloodlusted you would only need 335 rating. Which might be possible.

I guess I don't understand fully what happens when you get to the point that the gcd is lowered to 1 second.

I am thinking about taking a hit on one of my guys and regemming him for full haste and seeing what kind of results I get. They are all geared the same so it shouldn't be a big deal.

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I think idealy there would be 2 things happening
1) reduce the cast of lightning bolt to 1.5 seconds so when you are normally dps you are waiting on the gcd not the lightning bolt
2) while bloodlusted reduce the gcd/lightning bolt cast time to to 1 second

If i have a base cast of 2 seconds to get that down to 1.5 seconds I need 25% haste. 25*15 = 375. So is 375 the magic number on haste?

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Originally Posted by 'Schwarz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=120394#post 120394

So I think we can all agree that 785 haste rating is almost impossible. But assuming that 15 haste = 1 then when you are bloodlusted you would only need 335 rating. Which might be possible.

I guess I don't understand fully what happens when you get to the point that the gcd is lowered to 1 second.

I am thinking about taking a hit on one of my guys and regemming him for full haste and seeing what kind of results I get. They are all geared the same so it shouldn't be a big deal.

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This is probably your best bet and the easiest way to figure it out.

You don't get exponential growth from haste as compared to other stats. I mean, as a shaman, you get a huge bonus for your crits, and with as high as most ele shamans have their crit rating, you get a gigantic boost from your spell damage! Also it takes a huge amount of haste to make a noticable difference in casting speed. AND the first couple of hits don't even benefit at all. It doesn't matter if your initial blow cast .07 seconds faster or whatever, but it would matter if you hit for more on your first blow. So right from the start you're playing catch-up with where you would have been. Unless you had some godly spell haste items you wouldn't surpass it. Haste can be great, but for ele shamans I'd think that you'd want it mixed in with a mail caster piece, not adding it on your gemming or enchants.

if you can wait till you get to WotLK they have practice dolls there that you can just beat on. Spec one +damage and the other +haste and see what is better. No matter what way you go you will only have to re-do one of them. The other thing is other people will be using these dolls for the same reason so you might not even have to do the math.

I think you can get to the 375 point where Lightning bolt cast time will be down to 1.5 seconds and when bloodlusted the gcd/lightning bolt cast will be 1 second

belt +34 haste (+10 haste)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34935

Trinket
+40 haste
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35327

Shoulders
+33 haste
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33970

neck
+21 haste (+10 haste socket)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35319

legs
+38 haste (+20 haste socket)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34934

hands
+24 (+20 haste)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34791

ring 1
+30 haste
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35320

ring 2
+18 haste
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34704

chest
+51 haste
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34933

back
+16 haste
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35321

total 355 haste

Throw in 2 more +10 haste gems somewhere and you should be golden.

I think you should just switch one and see what happens but assuming epic gems and disregarding socket bonuses (+10 haste has the same criteria), you've just given up 72 spell damage in the sockets mentioned as well as another 24 in the sockets that get you "golden". Not to mention the spell damage lost in your gear by going for +haste gear. You may want to check out www.warcrafter.net so you can see the end numbers.

Edit: I'm bored so I ran the numbers for you. I dropped your Icon for the Battlemaster trinket and the two crit/damage gems you still had after switching out the gear for the other two +haste gems.

Spell Damage: 981->888
Crit Chance: 14.32%->9.86%
Haste %: 4.4->24.4
Hit Chance: 86.8%->85.1%
MP5: 27->23

Like I said before, I don't know the point at which the two equate but maxing it out definately appears to be overkill. You're talking about losing almost 9.5% of your spell damage along with almost 4.5% less chance to crit.

Sweet thanks I couldn't figure out how to socket the items.

If you do reach the point where you have 1.5 second lightning bots that mean you are casting 10 times more per minute. With blood lust poped you would be casting 30 more times per minute.

To get all this gear together I would still need ~120 badges and 70kish honor I am leaning toward just socketing for spell damage right now if/when I do get the honor together trying it out.

Oh and according to warcrafter.net the magic number I think I need is 395(15.8 haste per 1% and i want 25%) not 375.

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Originally Posted by 'Drizzit',index.php?page=Thread&postID=120427#post 120427

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HA! I have suggested practice dolls a few times over the years on the suggestion boards. I am so glad they implemented it. Of course in UO you could actually level your weapon skill off of one.

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Some decent discussions/information on this topic.

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t12882-m...ks_what_means/
http://www.sourced.me.uk/forum/gw_ratings.php
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t12038-spell_haste_rating/
http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_haste

The trick question is if your raiding or doing 5 mans and PvP.

Haste is a great stat for raiding. provided you are at a certain point in your gear.
40% crit is where you want to be sitting at. after 40% you actually get a diminishing return on 1% crit. after 40% it's like 1% increase is about .6% DPS increse.
1100 Spell damage is the min you want to get to before you start stacking haste. Before 1100 Damage is 1:1 and haste is 1:.6 After damage is 1:1 and Haste is 1:1.2

i personally use a Dam/Crit set for anything but raiding. and i only use my Haste set on Boss fights, where you have time to actually make those extra casts worth casting. Most mobs i 2-3 shot wile doing Dailies and for 5 mans you just don't have the mana return that you need to really take advantage of Haste. I always have a Shadow Priest right now in my group when raiding, to keep my DPS up because haste is such a huge mana drain, as i'm casting about 30% more lightning bolts then with out it.

Hope that helps out. if you need any information on Shaman just send me a PM, and i can probably help out.

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Originally Posted by 'Schwarz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=120490#post 120490

Sweet thanks I couldn't figure out how to socket the items.

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Right click any item and it should give you the option of entering edit mode if you aren't already in it. Once you are in edit mode, right click again to change equipment, socket gems or enchant the item.