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Well i box 5 shamans so i never have to worry about rolls. My highest group on PVP server is 62 (ive kinda stopped playing these). My new group on PVE server is 42 and farming cath for 2 more shields and a couple hats.
I doubt I would ever raid with them, I have another toon I raid with. But the usual idea is one human = 1 roll reguardless of accounts.
Typically I ask the others if any others are involved; I don't care about much loot that I won't wear; when we did a 15shaman MC with a bunch of pugs on Feathermoon and the shaman gaunts dropped, it was an upgrade for Awbee and I both...we rolled with all 5 each lol, I won the gaunts, he got the chest. When I was 2boxing and went into DM with others I just passed to not deal with looting unless I'd wear it. It depends on who I'm grouped with pretty much otherwise...again, if it's an upgrade, each one who wears it is gonna roll most likely.
I just let my main toon get all the loot and pass it out to my clones as I see fit........
PuGs...? That's why I 5 box, I don't fight about loot.
When I put a 5th in, they roll once, I roll once, for each character.
When I start running Kara's with my shaman I intend to do it with a pretty solid crew at first to see if I can hang, that won't be an issue, once I get past that if I pug, it's 1 roll per character. I'm contributing 4 characters, it doesn't matter who's at the keyboard IMO.
This brings me back to Molten Core and the days of our 40 man raids though... we have a VERY solid raiding loot policy, every situation is covered by it, the rules are very black and white and cover every arguement we've ever had with limited interpretation. The only time we had major drama about the loot rules was when a priest rolled on the Eye of Divinity for the 5th time, and won it for the 5th time... and actually took it this time instead of passing.
The deal is the priest had been there for 5 other drops, and each time he rolled, got lucky and won. Each time another priest was there and had the other pieces of the quest (eye of shadow) to get his staff... so Ihatepugs (the priest) would pass to them. This time that caused drama, Ihatepugs had finally gotten his eye of shadow, so he needed the eye of divinity.
The drama you ask? Ihatepugs was also playing a shaman in the raid.
The catch is, only a few of the raids officers even knew that Ihatepugs was also the shaman... none of the players knew. Ihatepugs always showed up at the last minute when we were that "one healer short" of a successful raid. He always topped the healing charts (as did his shaman counterpart) and was on top of dispels like you wouldn't believe. He was always welcomed, even though he was never on vent. I think the funniest part was when the shaman blamed Ihatepugs for one of the players deaths... over vent. A huge argument ensued where the player was saying that he never got heals from the shaman but the priest always was healing him... so if he wanted to blame anyone it should be the shaman for not ever healing him...
In the end, it all boils down to the fact that the characters are NEEDED to succeed in that run, and as long as everyone knows up front about the loot rules, they should just STFU and deal with it.
I tell people I group with, take all the trash loot you want, it's on FFA, for bosses if an item drops I want, I'll be /rolling on it with all 4. If you don't like this, leave now. Then we blow through the instance in record time and get mad xp and moderately phat lewts.
I get the reasons for rolling on one character of a multibox team, but here's my perspective: People need to understand that you have purchased that many slots in the group and that each slot gets a chance at gear. I like the suggestion of playing with people that understand this up front.
I get one roll per character I'm playing. I don't see any rationalisation for doing it any other way.
I made room in my WC boost run for a guildy (a co-worker irl even). He was a complete loot hog and would slow me down to loot. Granted, this was his first toon on this faction so he needed money. That's fine but I'd keep chugging along and getting xp. He started to loot too far ahead and die. That's fine, I was on a hunter, no rez for you, bud. He always complained that he wanted it on free-for-all so he could get cloth drops and grey trash to vendor. That's fine. I'd sit there and wait between instance runs while he went to vendor his over stuffed bags (that I crafted for him). The agreement was that I'd still get to do a /roll for boss loot. He was a druid so he wanted a lot of the same gear as my shammies. One day he runs up to the boss (before I could switch it to Group Loot - which is how I handled the boss loot so I got a chance at it), and aggros the fight. Then after I save his ass, he loots the body and gets the boss drop without my getting to do any kind of roll on it....
Later I was running other guild mates through SM. He asked to come with and I reluctantly agreed. This meant I only got to only take 2 of my shammies. I didn't want to hear him complain at work, so I let him come with. He insisted on free for all. I told him flatly NO. I said I'm here for gear too. If you want to come for xp great, but don't get greedy about stupid trash. So we end up killing Doan. With group loot on things should have been fine, but somehow we ended back on FFA. I don't remember how, I think I disconnected or something and wasn't group leader anymore. Anyhow, he was on a warrior (has no toons over level 30 but he's more alt happy than anyone) and decided he wanted the epic tanking ring that dropped. I wanted it for any of my shamans. I was all enhancement at the time and it seemed like a great ring for any of my toons. He insisted I should only get to roll on it once (thereby robbing me of it really). Then there was an awesome shield that also dropped later (we did several runs through all of the SM's). The chapeau also dropped from the same fight. While telling his irl wife that yes, she could take the hat (again we somehow ended up in FFA), he "misheard" and took that to mean he could take the shield.
I never let him go into any instances with me again. Since he was used to being helped all the time (Hydraxis Alliance are pathetic like that, they can't solo-quest to save their lives) and this was his first time as a Horde he didn't know what to do without being hand-held while leveling. The rest of the guild were only leveling little alts, and were doing solo-quests between boosting runs. Well, he finally dopped the guild and unsubbed. All because he was a loot hog and no one wanted to take him with to do anything. Now I never put it on FFA and I always roll on all my toons. Lesson learned.
I never had a problem with rolls until i went kara, with my 5 shamans, 3 friends and 2 randoms.
We killed attumen and the mount dropped. I asked how i should roll, and the randoms answer was (in a flash): u roll one time! I didnt even bothered, and rolled with all just to bug'em.
From that day on, doesnt matter how many chars i have, i roll once. I dont wanna look too greedy.
I did won the Maggy 20 slot bag by raid roll, with my 5 chars on it lollo :D
I guess I should add that I don't really need any gear from Kara. My tank is a T6 instance raid tank and my shaman are all S2 or better geared. The only things that I claim, which I say up front are the lightning capacitor and the boe nature damage ring (2/4 atm).
That means for greed, I roll only once instead of as many times as I brought chars.
For need, I would pass for raiding mains, but that's it.
If more than one person dies than only rez one. One rez for one roll. :P I am not sure how I would handle it other than to say if for some reason I am going to allow a random person to join me I would lay the loot rules down early.Quote:
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