I may just be an idiot but I like to assume if two people were using AHK, one for botting one not, blizzard would be able to differentiate beetween the two.
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I may just be an idiot but I like to assume if two people were using AHK, one for botting one not, blizzard would be able to differentiate beetween the two.
maybe because back at the beginning, there weren't very many friendly software solutions?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=112328#po st112328
i do have a question to a hardware boxer... how do you keep the keys from passing if you are strictly hardware (like wireless keyboards and mice)?
how do you only talk from one character?
what about breaking follow? without a do-not-pass list, that would mean you need to unbind the keys... but what happens when your main dies and you try to use another machine? aren't the keys unbound??
as for performance, any decrease in performance would be due to overloading the hardware with to many wows. my old rig would limp along getting 5/25 while 5-boxing in the barrens... 4/4 fps in orgrimmar (if i was lucky). now i'm getting 50/50 fps @ 1920x1200 everywhere while 5-boxing... (8g + 2x 260s + Q9450 ftw!)
For me if my main dies I just hit (example) Alt 1. All the toons then follow/assist playerB. Also I switch to the other mouse to drive since its currently on Player B. Now if that dies I hit the switch once for Player C then Control 1 (example). then keep on rolling. There’s a couple ways to do it but basically that’s what I do. I think Keyclones PIP feature in this situation is pretty pimp for switching mains.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'keyclone',index.php?page=Thread&postID=112366#pos t112366
Round robin like features equals different key binds for hardware. Example with my locks I use the arrow keys for the 4 howl of Terrors. For the shaman nothing yet but maybe I’ll assign earth bind or that new pimp AOE toss you up in the air totem thing, wrath totem? I like the fact Keyclone compacts all of that in a round robin feature freeing up a bunch of keys.
Break follow I use the "+" formation setup so (example) I want to pull something to my group I spread them out by pressing ~ then run up with my "main" and pull. I thought software boxers did this too, anyrate this works great just tapping the formation key.
More on the what if main dies and keys unbound. I'm not a keyboard turner, for keyboard turners i guess that would be a real problem. Perhaps diffrent movment keys, which would be a pain. For me I just drive with the mouse and spam press my WTF Pwn keys of death :D
Because there WAS no way to software box when I was starting out. Even if I wanted to. The hardware was not good enough. It still isn't in my opinion to achieve the higher levels of PvP play but for 2 or even 4 or 5 it certainly WORKS.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=112328#po st112328
Good luck with that AHK can read in a pixel or range of pixel (using 3 or 4 different methods).Quote:
I may just be an idiot but I like to assume if two people were using AHK, one for botting one not, blizzard would be able to differentiate beetween the two.
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I have used AHK at work to automate all sort of things that can't be automated any other way, and because I have seen what it can do, I would never install it on a machine I used for an MMO.
Thats why as much as I am concerned that a closed source software boxing util could easily keylog me. I believe it is far less likely to be banned by Blizzard. Why? because I can not program delays into it .. much less read pixels and log files and automate game play.
[quote='keyclone',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1123 66#post112366]i do have a question to a hardware boxer... how do you keep the keys from passing if you are strictly hardware (like wireless keyboards and mice)?[/quote]
2 keyboards. I've considered trying to use a KVM hooked into both the multiplexer and hte main PC but I'm lazy.
That being said -- Blizz endorses the G15. The G15 CAN be used to automate behaviors. People have been banned for automating actions through a G15. G15s are not bannable in and of themselves (see GM Conversations wiki).
People can legally own a gun. A gun CAN be used to break the law. People have been put in jail for abusing their gun to shoot someone and/or commit armed robbery. Guns themselves do not put you in jail.
Alot of the "big names" also started boxing before ANY software was "confirmed" to be ok by blizzard. There are alot of reasons to hardware box, including the aforementioned reliability and better PvP performance (depending on system, of course). But keep in mind that the fact that software had not been confirmed ok by GMs had some thing to do with the decision making as well.
Besides, [url='http://www.vboxing.net/v/index.php?q=image/tid/229']hardware rigs are teh sex girl[/url].
<- is waiting for the fabled iPhone WoW client ...
Didn't we just have this discussion a few weeks ago?
I am not sure if I would say hardware is more reliable . I think its a wash we all use hardware and software to a great extent. Sure I might have 1 or 2 pieces of extra software and you might have 1 or 2 pieces of hardware but in the end there are pluses and minuses going either route. I am a fairly big fan of keyclone for several reasons one of which is it is catered to multi-boxing, straight out of the box you can get so much done. I could easily go hardware i certainly have all the pieces necessary but quite frankly not having been forced to go that route in the beginning the learning curve with software is much friendlier.
Either way its a preference as long as the end result is multiboxing goodness.
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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=112435#po st112435
Hardware is cheap, but one decent PC and a bit of software is cheaper. I'm not sure I agree with your hardware is more reliable mantra. Both solutions require hardware and both are impacted if hardware fails. Then again you have to pretty much be certain that you will actually enjoy multiboxing before setting up all that hardware.
You can run whatever OS you want - so long as it is one supported by Blizzard. So basically windows, mac os and some unix flavours.
Response times might be quicker for PVP but there is a limit to what the person controlling the hardware or software can handle. How many seriously high rated multiboxers are there at all regardless of hardware or software solution. I have no doubt that my ability as a player would never be such that the delay difference between a hardware and software solution would matter. Also for a lot of people PVP isn't the be all and end all of wow. I enjoy a bit of BG's but have no wish to set foot in an arena.
After you've gone through the blood sweat and tears of setting up all that hardware, ensuring the setup all works, and getting everything working perfectly why would you switch to 1 pc just to be able to do the same :)
I'm not knocking your achievement in getting a hardware setup - personally if a hardware setup was the only way to go I wouldn't be multiboxing, and I admire the tenacity to see it through, but I get the feeling that you are a little cheesed off that something that was so hard for you to do a couple of years back can be done so easily with a single piece of software (that is approved by blizzard).
Also - "no gimmicky multiple wow installations"..... What - you didnt have to install wow multiple times for your hardware setup?
False positives with Warden - not seen any reports of this in the few months that I've been on this site.
Possibly one or two bans due to incorrect details or a GM with a chip on his shoulder.
At the end of the day I don't see one setup being inately more superior than the other - they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Going back to the original posters point I think it would be wise for people concerned that they aren't using a blizzard approved piece of software to pick up keyclone though.