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why the rattlesnakes tough? domis have better dps application due to the insane bonus they get...
i never personally tried the rattles, just wondering why you guys say its better
and since you are discussing prices, a fitted domi is something like 1/2 of a fitted rattle
Probably shouldnt've said "better", you're right.
I chose rattlers for the extra midslots and drone damage bonus over the Domis. It's been a while since i actually looked at the fittings post nerf so I'm probably off. I'll look at my pyfa as soon as i get coffee into me.
Thanks Kin for reminding me to update this.
Rattler I used to test:
84.4k EHP, 648 DPS, Gardes 33.1km + 62.5km, 0.0645 tracking. 393m ISK.Quote:
[Rattlesnake, VG Fleet]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
Large Anti-Thermic Pump I
Large Anti-EM Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Garde II x2
Dominix I used to test:
62.2k EHP, 685 DPS, Gardes 43.7km + 57.6km, 0.0757 tracking. 241m ISK.Quote:
[Dominix, Box]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
Large Anti-EM Pump I
Large Anti-Thermic Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
TL;DR: Domi > Rattler for Loki VG fleet doctrine (1-2 logi, 1 Loki/Huginn, X sentry dps)
Dunno why I thought Rattler was better. Basically, the Domi's 37.5% hull bonus to optimal and tracking out-weighs the Rattler's extra midslot.
At Level 5, the Domi has a 50% bonus drone damage, while the Rattler has a flat 275% bonus to 2 Sentries, which somehow equals out on PYFA, though for reasons my Smirnoff-ridden brain cannot fathom right now. If you can squeeze a 4th DDA out on the Rattler, they both have the same DPS.
Domi has 15 larger sig, 65 lower cargo, 0.1 faster align time, stronger capacitor capacity / regen.
Domi can carry 3 sets of Sentries, Rattler can carry 3.5 sets. Domi also has mildly better Kinetic armor resist at a cost of a mildly lower Thermic armor resist.
Domi's also more gank-proof, both in terms of ISK, and in terms of pirate calculations.
Kin would also like me to say that you don't need 3x opti for most sites.
Since I am extremely bored, I did Guardian vs Nestor, cheapo version.
[Guardian, Guardian]
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Coreli A-Type EM Plating
Corpii A-Type Thermic Plating
1600mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
ECCM - Radar II
ECCM - Radar II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
55k EHP, 426.5 hp/s, 272m ISK.
[Nestor, Nestor]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Sensor Booster II
ECCM - Magnetometric II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
121k EHP, 1024 hp/s, 1.046b isk
Implants used in both fits:
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 - 160m
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 - 147m
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-605 - 120m isk
If you don't want to use these, swap the T2 reppers for Meta 4 in the Guardian fit.
I used T1 LRRA rigs on the Nestor because T2 are 146m each.
Now for the comparison:
Guardian is cheap as balls, fit can be reproduced 3 times with some spare change for the cost of the Nestor. Small sig plus high means it takes less of a beating.
The Nestor has 80k more EHP, can field a set of heavies or sentries, and doesn't require specialized implants or skills.
You can solo Nestor, but it requires either a really good fleet comp, a ton of ISK, or a penchant for gray hairs.
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Or for CCP to listen to logic and reason.
Hey guys. I was researching something and this site popped up, so I thought I'd check in and share a little. I've been playing Eve for about a year and a half now. I currently live in a C5 (no effect) and multi-box capital escalations. Basically it's the single dread technique where you warp in the dread, kill the escalation, and then warp in additional caps to further escalate. If you do all 4 waves (just the guardians) it's 580m/site in blue loot. It takes about 35m to clear a site and initiate warp to the next site, so that's about 1b/hour. This does not count setup time which is at least 15m.
I know that 1b/hour sounds great, but the startup costs and startup time are quite high. Once you get everything humming, it's not too bad, but it's also a high amount of danger as wormholers are looking for people doing this and are quite adept at capturing caps.
Good luck!
Yeah. A friend also multiboxes C5s, but he does the Loki+archon+Moros thing. There's also been considerable talk in our in-game channels of solo Phoenix, but none of us save one guy has good enough capital skills to try it, and I don't know if he's tried it.
There's a video of a solo Phoenix running a C5 site here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvmnUNTxhjk
IIRC he's in a WR in the video, which means penalty to shield tanking.
I'd happily pay someone to live in their C4/5 and farm their sites. All they'd have to do is work the POSs and manage PI. I'd give em a cut of the profits from sites :D
I dunno if you're referring to me, but yes, I have. It's ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by bugme143
Also, 1b/hour with over 4 capitals solo running escalations if godawful abysmal. You need to work your shit out, that's too slow and pretty awful isk/h for the amount of isk you're investing.
Your sites shouldn't take longer than 15 minutes on the SUPER SLOW side, giving you at least 2b/hour conservatively.
Also, that's something I hadn't thought of. If people want to hire me on as a "guide" or middleman w/e, I'm more than happy to help folks setup a jew hole, and run the POS or w/e for them in exchange for rent/constant %. ;)
EDIT: Speaking of which, selling 4 spare chars.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default...09&find=unread
In case anyone needs some very solid high quality alts with super conspicuous names. ;)
https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2013/3...the+ground.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by LordsServant
You's a dick for using a Pinkie Pie gif. ;(
Also, looks like 1 down, for at least 5b (need to talk with him).
Hey he could....idk...play WoW :rolleyes:
Plex why you no go down
Also fozziesov