so far no luck off of follow on the ptr in 5.3
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so far no luck off of follow on the ptr in 5.3
I see zero reason for them to add it back.
Multiboxers did, unfortunately, cause a bad experience for both sides of the battleground in many, many instances. You run a gimmick comp, undergeared, or suck? You cause a bad experience for your team. You're geared to the teeth, play twinks, or got your PVP system down? You cause a bad and very unexpected experience for the other team. Complaints from both sides.
This is obviously not the case all the time, there are friendly teams that won't blame you for the loss or will give you credit for the win, and enemy teams that got a riot out of playing against a multiboxer whether they got stomped or not. But obviously there were far too many complaints about the experience it caused.
There were just too many multiboxers, and it's gotten harder every expansion. 2-3 expansions ago people rarely or never ran into them, were amazed, puzzled, or whatever, not flooding the forums and report system with complaints.
And by too many multiboxers I don't imply that we are some army that has enough say to sway this kind of decision. We're a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the PVP population in this game.
The random bots in bg's that killed us. most players just said we was bots with the bots but we been though this before. pvp just got really bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by heyaz
they should remove all group play from random bg's to make it fair player+friends=a lot more then what a single mboxer can do just my pov. but there free to walk round bg's still making it hell on random players.
well i quit anyway i just can not gear my chars. i like randoms i lost more then i ever won if i play solo it was the same win/lost but whatever. saves me money anyway.
Has any one tried Tiny's oFollow? Watched him in Ogrimmar trying it out the otherday in the troll section.
Couldn't find anything about this on Google, Curse, or WoWInterface. Where is his website?Quote:
Originally Posted by smalltanker
It's G-14 classified.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
solidice.com/oFollow ... still in beta, he has version 0.4 on website and is working on 0.5. Solidice.com has his current version of oQueue, oMail, and Keyclone as well. I haven't tried it out yet but I did DL and install it to my wow/interface/addon folder. The self-extractor doesn't work yet like it does with oQueue. So use at own risk as it is a work in progress using the WOW ingame LUA addon programming whatnots (Not a programmer ... so ... yeah whatnots /wink wink). I don't know if their is a thread over on the oqueue forum as I can't view it at work. I will be checking it after work and my restodruid is 87.5 so at 89 I will join her up to my 4 89 shaman to finish the push to 90 in Dreadwaste and AV while I resolve my set up, macros, and stuff like that.
See you all later.
Random BGs are God awful even without multiboxers in them. You'll get the occasional teams that play to win. All the remaining are people farming HKs, testing macros and just chatting away or trolling.
Multiboxing was just a scapegoat for the complaining everyone does about random BGs. My opinion on it is that random BGs shouldn't even exist. Not in their current state anyway. The fact you much have to do them to acquire honor is also stupid.
I'll hold true to my thoughts on it. When you have a large section of the playerbase botting the content, the content needs to go. There is no better way to tell a developer how much you hate a piece of content than to bot it.
I know when I BG on my team I actively work towards BG objectives. I alsi don't do small BGs (IE 10 mans) but will do 15 man and I like AV and IOC. In AV I will either cap a tower of defend something like Tower Point. When I want to change it up I will speed north, cap relief hut in the alliance base and then grab a tower. After that I float between north/south bunker and ensure the GY across the bridge stays capped. I have some decent screen shots from previous AV weekends where I was rocking top damage/kills by doing what we do best "Focus Fire".
I have also been griped at so much from middle farmers, road warriors, and QQers that I pretty much quit WOW after the 5.2 /follow issues. I just love the game and still play rated BGs on 2 toons, do LFR on the same two solo played toons and will be grinding some BGs with my daughter this week who just hit 90 tonight on her first toon. I do believe that Blizzard should do some better match making and it looks like 5.3 is taking steps along that way.
Returning to the thread I just want to hit 89 to join my team then hit 90, do some BGs and get into that arena content Lax has been discussing in other theads. I feel 1 druid and 4 shaman will be able to do some decent rating once I get my head screwed on straight and set my stuff up the right way. But even today I was actively reporting botters in BGs and it sickens me that Blizzard removed paying legit customers but left botters (even the more advance non /follow botters) in the BGs at our expense... /uggh.
Back in the days of MuDs the developers did just that. Like how hacker used to be a term describing a knowledgeable programmer it now means bad things, just like the word bots.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
Something happened when big money got involved, not just the money the corporations make but also what the player base can make. But hopefully the venus project is real.
some of the rbg are using the same maps as the random's bg's so they can not add follow to them yet. (what i been told) so they would have to copy them over and change some stuff maybe in the next patch they are looking into it but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethlan
It's not the content that makes people use bots, it's a risk/reward thing. They should either remove the reward (which would make playing BGs useless for any other purpose then PvP) or increase the risk involved in botting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
Since they can't do the first, because people like to be rewarded, and playing without gaining anything would suck. They should try do accomplish the latter (which is way harder, and more expensive.)
By removing /follow from BGs all they did is make it slightly harder for some bots to operate, which, instead of combatting botting, will only force people to use better software, which will make the bots harder to detect and combat in the future. Like in real live, when you prohibit something, you're punishing honest folk, and pushing offenders to be more creative and elusive.
Detecting bots is probably quite hard to do (involves a lot of manual work), but I think that in the end, it's the only thing they can (and should) do. I think that another problem here is that they basically removed the community feeling that individual servers had in the past. You can now just bot or buy gold at virtually no risk at all, where in the past, people got identified as cheaters by the community, making it hardder for them to join guilds and enjoy content. Nowadays you can do just about anything without ever speaking to anyone on your srever.
Anyway, long story short. I think that the follow nerf is not going to combat bots at all in the long run, and I hope Blizzard will add /follow back in when they realize this.
The problem with the design theory is that everyone wants something different. Believe it or not there are a lot of people who really like the direction WoW is going in. I'm not one of them. I don't think many here are. Dailies piss me off to no end. But that's just my preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnGabriel
If at any point a large company like Blizzard decides I'm of the minority then the game won't be designed for me in mind. It is the same as being left handed. The market has always sucked for left handed devices in this way.
I can't really fault them there. It cost money to develop new features for a game and to support existing features. If the Farmville crowd makes them more cash then so be it. It just won't involve my money. Frankly, and it is just my opinion, the game is salvageable. There are moments where it is fun. Just a great amount of it is not fun. So they could tweak the environments on certain servers to appeal to a different crowd. This way everyone gets what they want.
It is like Mr. Fresco points out in that Venus Project. We start with a less than Utopian idea. It'll never be Utopian WoW will never be able to cover all bases for enjoyment. So it has to make due with what it knows and expand on that when possible. Some minor alterations may escape them though and the state of their design leaves much to be desired from me. Not just in WoW but company wide.
Gonna have to disagree with you on that. I enjoyed the grind in WoW back in the BC era because I was a college student with little to focus on in the real world. Add a 40 hour work week, pets, children and a home to keep up with and the rigors of the MMO are much less dynamic. As a result much less fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blubber
This is true of all games though. Save for Dark Souls, there are not many games I bother with anymore. Dark Souls is the exception because the amount of dynamic interaction parceled out is unmatched by any game on the market. The only other thing that comes close is WoW PvP. People wonder why people take PvP in WoW seriously not considering that it offers the most dynamic of interactions in the game. It can be a drag at times but it is far preferable to the scripted rehashed events in PvE.
So maybe the game hasn't gotten worse. It just hasn't gotten better.
It won't stop the bots. People who don't have the time nor inclination to grind 30k honor for every toon on their account will not grind it. They'll skirt the requirements on that in one way or another. Be it undergeared arenas, RBG carry, botting or the like.Quote:
They should either remove the reward (which would make playing BGs useless for any other purpose then PvP) or increase the risk involved in botting.
Since they can't do the first, because people like to be rewarded, and playing without gaining anything would suck. They should try do accomplish the latter (which is way harder, and more expensive.)
By removing /follow from BGs all they did is make it slightly harder for some bots to operate, which, instead of combatting botting, will only force people to use better software, which will make the bots harder to detect and combat in the future. Like in real live, when you prohibit something, you're punishing honest folk, and pushing offenders to be more creative and elusive.
Detecting bots is probably quite hard to do (involves a lot of manual work), but I think that in the end, it's the only thing they can (and should) do. I think that another problem here is that they basically removed the community feeling that individual servers had in the past. You can now just bot or buy gold at virtually no risk at all, where in the past, people got identified as cheaters by the community, making it hardder for them to join guilds and enjoy content. Nowadays you can do just about anything without ever speaking to anyone on your srever.
Anyway, long story short. I think that the follow nerf is not going to combat bots at all in the long run, and I hope Blizzard will add /follow back in when they realize this.
Botting is not an easy thing to detect. Simply because most of the detection routines are very CPU intensive across a large database of concurrent sessions. This explains in part why the /report tool was modified back in 5.1. This allows player eyes to serve as the first step in detection, thereby removing much of the CPU crunch involved in detection routines. It isn't a perfect system. Multiboxers can attest to that. It'll never be a perfect system either. As many gatherers who don't bot can attest to as well.
The only recourse is to give people who bot alternatives to what exist today. Nobody bots arenas, RGBs or heroic raids because those are end game in their respective genres. It is the grind up to those end game environments that needs a serious look. The game itself may even grow more popular as a result while eliminating any reason to bot content.
Ok i have a question i like to mix up my toons playing pve n pvp because as we all know either or is a mad grind to do all of one type. So how is everyone working this no follow bs in bgs. Are you just broadcasting through with your wasd keys or any other type of trick. Just trying to get a grasp in bgs minus the follow idea. Maybe once i get an idea i can tweak it for a caster type class.
AV, get to mid... proceed to trollQuote:
Originally Posted by suicidesspyder
Or turn around and say, Blizzard has shown they don't really want our money if they bring in crap like this.
There are other options out there, or save yourself 75/150 a month and take a break.
It's your money and your free time.
Spend as you will, on what you find to be fun.
nm doh
because of the bots...yeah... I see...
Disabling auto follow in Battle Grounds has only hurt the multi boxer.
The problem is when multi boxers are having fun in PvP, everyone else often is not.
https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/322396622594125824
whatever there choice is i don't care anymore blizzard has lost a lot of this and am happy about not playing there game anymore its all about the "kids" now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asterix
Those lying m%therf$#ckers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Asterix
Why are they not liable for the many thousands of dollars that multiboxers have invested in the game to be able to multibox PvP? It seems like a good case could be brought against them in court. They permitted it at one time.. they are "hiding" behind the "bot" excuse for legal reasons IMO. But statements like GC made, could be used against that argument. Lets face it.. they would never break a part of the game that would keep solo players from being able to play. You could also use the plethora of posts blizzard has made in DEFENCE of multiboxing in PVP against them. They "knowingly" removed a feature in a game that breaks a style of play that depends on it. And its a style of play that they approved of for all the past years of this games life. NO comment by a blue was ever negative until Zarhags " we tolerate it, for now." comment.
This just eats at me everytime i see someone post about it.. and GCs comments just pissed me off even more. It seems criminal..only because they led us all to believe we were safe to invest our money in this game, to play how we like to play. And then took it away in an instant with no regards to how it would effect multiboxers.. emotionally and financially. They could be held liable in court for encouraging a style of game play.. for bribing many of us into spending more money by offering easy means to level more accounts ( RaF ).
Ok.. ill take my meds and go to work /crazy off
You know what sucks they still permit it just in pve types of situations. They take away follow to screw the bots yet i still see them in battlgrounds. I mean i even suggested to them instead of removing follow to check on people. I mean if theres a report on someone whisper them. If they answer back and talk to you then more then likely they are a mbxer I mean they are only punishing themselves. Right now i mean 60 extra a month from me doesnt seem like much but thats 720 more a year from one person. Plus how about how many boxers there really are. Thats thousands of dollars they are losing. They need to bring back follow but monitor the reports and take the right action not just get ban happy. Pay attention to mouse click software in pvp to see people doing the same patterns. They bring back follow i would bring mine back. I miss pvp with my toons. I mean i like to pve and farm mats and play ah game but that only stays fun for a small amount of time. There should be another thing that maybe jamba can do to strobe that could help out i dont know if its just a fantasy idea but hey. Bring back pvp i want to play lol.
I dont see what the big loss is, sure AV was also the most fun for me as well but I hardly miss it at all now.
Gear is easyer then it has ever been with the 4 world boss mobs, crafting allowing high level gear, and I am making farms for harmony.
I have not had to raid or quest at all (well the farms are quest kinda) and am gearing up very well.
As to pvp, because I am on a pvp server (and if you really wanted to pvp in the first place you would be on a pvp server) there is just no shortage around the world boss mobs. Nalak is so easy to get 522 ilevel loot off of everyone almost has to do him, just stay there and wait for your oppenents to come to you. Or do the pvp dailies surely there will be oppenents on the isle of thunder enemy camp during prime time.
I was doing Gal two days ago and 6-8 ally showed up to try him or cause us trouble, and I guess they never seen me before but I tore through them before they could organize and they flew around a bit and left lol ....
You guys are all making a big deal out of almost nothing, although I do fully agree with what was said in the above two posts.
Good point Same. But to me sometimes the thrill of av was wiping them at galv or belinda. Or sometimes sitting inside a tower and dropping them as soon as they entered lol. Sitting there with 5 times dks and 5 times army of the dead target me now lol. I might bring my others back soon just to do my normal instances and farming and catching people leaving bgs.
How about Blizz get bored of making money and turn the wow servers off :) does everyone get to sue them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyonheart
Sam if they break follow in BGs do they stop there? What if they decide people aren't having fun on world pvp and the break follow there too? It's clear they don't care for us, but they'll take our money. What they would really like is your paying for your multiple accounts and never log in. Not another cent from me.
I stopped reading there. I thought I read my 'silliest thing of the day' a moment ago, but this just took its place. If you're ready to spend an ungodly amount of money on a superbly good lawyer for a case you have nearly no chance of winning, than be my guest. (You've agreed to Blizzard's TOS by using their software, so good luck!) The best thing anyone can do is to unrustle their jimmies over some internet pixels, and move on. I've found my own great niche in EVE online, and many other folks here are doing other things as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyonheart
About a year or two ago I didnt log in 10 of my accounts for 6 months (at all not even one time, or longer I forgot) and I got them to extend my subscriptions for that period of time free ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
You are making an assumption about something that has not happened, ya I agree they dont care about us but they will not go out of their way to do anything about us unless there are TONS of complaints about our activities; in LFG type BGs there in fact were tons of complaints, from the enemy that you are too effective and from your own team members that you are not effective (lol) ...
There might be cause for a lawsuit, say that the Indy 500 decided tommorow that they would only allow horses and not cars, could they be sued by race car owners who have invested heavy over the years to win their car race?
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Originally Posted by EaTCarbS
When you stop reading before the end of a statement.. and then comment, you make yourself look like a fool. I was voicing my frustration.. you did notice the "/crazy off" at the end right? It was a rant, I know damn well its not winnable..
Do you think anyone of the people who spent the money they have to box ( for PvP ) would have done so had Bliz given them a clue that they would someday remove /follow from BGs? I dont think so.. Why did they do it? Based on Blizzards own statements of defence for multiboxing in PvP and PvE, they had no reason to not invest their hard earned money on this so called "pixels". Or they would not have done it.
No, you look like the fool with the ridiculous threat of legal action over something trivial. Blizzard doesn't owe you anything in this regard. People quit and unsub all the time because features are removed or class abilities are changed but this whole /we're special because we pay for multiple accounts so we could pursue legal action/ is pitiful. I couldn't imagine a... warrior that unsubbed due to class nerfs threatening legal action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyonheart
We all took a risk doing this, investing time and money into a completely unsupported and (barely) tolerated style of play for which the game was not even designed.
It'd be really nice if those of you still crying about this change would give it up already, quit posting nonsense here and on the wow forums, and move on. The player base likes to imagine the multiboxing community as one person or one type of person and the few of us still doing it and enjoying it would really appreciate it if you just up and left and stopped making the rest of us look bad.
Again an idiot who does not read the entirety of my post.. i never threatened anything. I was simply voicing how i feel about it.. did I ever say i was going to take them to court?Quote:
Originally Posted by heyaz
I think you just proved his point. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by heyaz
I haven't checked the site in a few days so just now saw this. I'm not surprised as a few people guessed they knew it wouldn't stop bots all along. I guess his mage encountered a 5+boxer in AV and he "stopped having fun".Quote:
Originally Posted by Asterix
I guess one of us was unlucky and [beat up] GC in a few BGs and then he had an AH-HA moment and said to himself "This is it, I'm not having fun, this is UNFAIR, let's ban multi-boxing". But didn't for one moment think to compare it with pugs vs premades, which is exactly the same thing like pugs vs boxers, except that premades are a LOT more effective.
as GC (nearly) clearly said: when MBs are having fun in PVP the others cry, that's why we removed the /follow in the BGs.
Anyone ever thought about the idea that if MBs stay out of the BGs now and do PVP at the actual quest hubs
the players will cry again on the forums and blizzard might think about removing the whole /follow command?
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Originally Posted by Asterix
I think that the number of multiboxers interested in doing that is very low.
they still gave us follow back in arena they just if they wonted us out off anything then it was just random play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asterix
Agree. Whether they're interested or not though, I don't think there are any multiboxers even capable of doing that [causing enough trouble] anyway - at least anywhere where it would matter - like Shrine, Halfhill, Org/SW, Nalak. Even if someone were really bent on camping somewhere indefinitely that might be possible - like Duskwood or something, and pulled it off on some low-pop CRZ, I'm not sure which would happen first - them losing interest or a GM simply porting them out and suspending them for griefing.Quote:
Originally Posted by luxlunae
The People That Are Complaing in Blizzard It Shouldnt Matter We The Ones Paying are Game And Besides In This Age Anyone Can multibox But They Dont Want To So Its There Problem All I Know Im Having Funing 1 Shooting Them
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Originally Posted by zzzzzzz1
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