Who's the 30 boxer? :)

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4 a: a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation b: a principal calling, vocation, or employment c: the whole body of persons engaged in a calling

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No reqirement yur profesion makes money. Besides if you have a job and you lose money one year, that year its not your job?

Well thats going to be a downer if wintergrasp isnt good for 25 plus toons. I am sure I will figure out how to spread out my guys enough to not die to bombs, dont forget i can control ONE toon as good as a sinlge player so if worsts comes to worst Ill just stay in some bomb proof spot on run in one at a time. One edge of my set up is that when I do take individual control of ONE toon its in full screen mode.

If page up and page down are bound to zoom in and zoom out thats not what I want.

Ya well it wasn't easy arguing in favor of multiboxing years ago ...

Well Prepared is doing 32, and he knows a ton more about the game then I do, I doubt he is planning to waste time greifing noobs when he hits 70.

Well back to reading all about macros and lulu see if anythign usefull as far as look up or down or whaterver I stumble accross.

Sam, FYI WARNING:

I noticed you said you were running WINEQ with your setup.

I'm not sure if this is a resolived issue with Innerspace-esque platforms, but WINEQ/WINEQ2 ceates and hooks a dll called....wind3d_9.dll or something like that.

Warden detects this dll and passes this along as an illegal third party client. Quite a large number of people using WINEQ were banned a couple months back for using this, although if they badgered Account Administration, they were able to get their accounts back.

At any rate, you can find blue posts which do NOT certify the use of this app.

If you are looking to resize windows, I suggest simply using wowmaximizer.exe: WoW Maximizer.

This tool works the same as Keyclone's Maximizer, except it doesn't come with a GUI to help you set it up. Its all command line.

However, if you have researched the use of WINEQ/2 with WoW and it seems fine to you, go ahead with your current plans. Just trying to help out.

PS. a profession is as simple as performing a task for which you are remunerated. The people who are bashing aspects of Sam that aren't even part of the focus of this forum (his home life, work, mental state, etc) is disgusting. Sam is not degenerating this forum. As cocky and -insert other mental analysis here- as Sam is, it is you who are reacting to said behaviours that are damaging the maturity of this thread. Quite a number of comments are not constructive at all towards whatever this thread has turned into, and I'd expect better from some of the people that have made them.

Its legal, it does LESS then Keyclone (btw even though I have decided upon wineq I strongly suggest that everyone else use Keyclone, as its vastly superior in most all respects, I have just concluded that I dont need/want key broadcasting to backgroud instances). The edge for me is that because I use it for EQ, I can keep everything exactly the same as I go back to play EQ, plus its easy to edit it in its ini file moreso then editing keyclone in its text ini file, seeing i been doing it for years. Plus Keyclone seems set up much more for tile play (which most everyone else does) instead of full screen like I do.

http://www.lavishsoft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3947. If Wineq2 was made by anyone but LaX there would not be any worry, its just that all his other programs allow all kinds of cheating but Wineq2 is just even less then Keyclone.

Im going to have one key to switch between groups of 5. Ill then have 1 key for attack and 1 for heal.

Go to group 1 (look at main screen does Pal need a heal? Yes - hit heal key for 5 heals, No - hit attack key for 5 attacks).
Flip to group 2 same
3
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1
2

Tell fight is done. No wasted mana on healing when I dont need healing. And Im killing if I dont need heals. I can flip thorugh 4 groups in eQ in 2 seconds. In wow I should be 5 groups in 3 seoncds, just in time to get back to the first group after the global cooldown is over ... I wont even have to think much cause Ill only be healing when under 20 percent anyway so 19 times out of 20 Ill be attacking.



Oh I dont know if its viable but if 1 follows 2 and 2 follows 3 and 3 follows 4 etc. then you move in a looong line and wintergrasp bombs dont kill all of you .... Har!

Also assuming all your toons are bound to the same up down left right keys you can just say spin around for a bit then move forward using just 2 keys and spead out kinda fast (as they move they will diverge almost automataclly). Then if you are using the target of target method to assist all your guys still have the main on target and you just hit a 3rd key to /follow and get back into a group for movement. Of course you might walk off cliffs and whatnot but ...

Sam,

26 guys is a lot but have you thought about method to improve efficiency? It doesn't sound like your setup is able to micro manage (not that it could without automation) so how do you deal with needing to heal 5 guys in 5 different groups at once? If you heal everybody, you stop DPS and waste a TON of mana. I don't see how you could micro manage the amount of healing you will need to be doing. DPS isn't too bad. 26 times anything = gibbed anyway. But healing may be a bit tricky, aside from chain heals.

Im not they will die, or chain heal will hit them, chain will self target the lowest HP person around. IF they get it fine if not well, they die. It will be one half of what the target gets but whatever.

As long as the main is up if some die its no big deal.

Dont forget I can play ONE character perfectly, and can get to any one of mine in about 8 seconds max. So if while I am goingthough the rotatioins I see one guy low on health he can self heal causeing me about a 4 seconds delay in the rotaion (which is very bad for sure). Its far from optimal but possible. I just figure that in pvp people will focus on the Pal main and in pve the Pal main will have agro .... So he is the target of all chain heals. I supposed in PvP someone could focus on some non mains and take them out but then the main is just free to keep targeting and it becomse a dps battle, which I figure is to my advantage ...

My is set is set up for micromanagment but ONLY ONE AT A TIME, with about 8 seconds going from one to ANY of the others. Once I am "on" that character I have full and complete control just as if I was only playing one caracter.

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113656#p ost113656

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I can flip thorugh 4 groups in eQ in 2 seconds. In wow I should be 5 groups in 3 seoncds, just in time to get back to the first group after the global cooldown is over
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Actually, with shaman spells being on 1.5 sec global cooldown (1s for totems) you loose 50% of your potential dps by being able to issue only one command per 2 global cooldowns. I understand your concept, but it basically gimps your dps to half of what it could be - if your 3s estimation is correct. Any time lost and you gimp yourself further.

Well I only plan ot use chain lightning which is a 6 seconds cooldown, anyway, so I have even more time to switch.

Ill be like 90 percent of full chaining chain lightning dps, Rotating spells for sure will more dps but well can't have everything, ... Still 24 CL will kill any single pvp oppenent, and in pve, if its like EQ, the dps limit will be based upon the Pal Agro not the max dps of the shaman.

3 s is a MAX I have timed 2 seconds consitantly in EQ for 4 switches.


Using keyclone and spamming two or three keys would probably do more dps ya. Maybe I can get my switching time lower if I really try. But you have latency build into the system as well so ...

Maybe there is a ligit legal work around to let you cast two spells from a single macro, but I havnt read it yet. Neither of those spells start the global countdown, but you cant cast both at the same time lol ... I suppose I could get 5 more toons and duel sceen them ... well when it comes time I need more dps Ill figure something out.


Oh oh, I just found out, not only am I a "multiboxer" I am also, gasp, a "keyboard turner" Oh the shame ....

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113710#p ost113710

24 CL will kill any single pvp oppenent,

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More like 8 :)
24 could probably kill a cheat death + shield wall + pain supp + 300+ resil / nature resist.

But 8 seconds to swap around? *cringe*

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Originally Posted by 'puppychow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113593#po st113593

couple quick comments :

prepared: you can grant levels at 60, I personally have done this and can confirm it works. I leveled up 2 druids to 31 on two vet accounts, and granted 29 levels (the max you can grant from a single character) to each of the druids from two RAF'd level 60 shamans. Try to arrange it so you only need 100-400 xp to hit level 32, then do the grant, because you will end up 99% into level 61.

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Thanks, yes I saw that trick about getting the percentage of experience left to hit the next level right at the max so that when the grants are done, they only need to do a little bit to hit the next level. Right now they are sitting just under level 21. After my shamans are leveled up, then I'll go back and work the alts to just about 32 as you said (if I have any time left from the 3 month recruit-a-friend time).

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Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113747#pos t113747

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Originally Posted by 'puppychow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113593#po st113593

couple quick comments :

prepared: you can grant levels at 60, I personally have done this and can confirm it works. I leveled up 2 druids to 31 on two vet accounts, and granted 29 levels (the max you can grant from a single character) to each of the druids from two RAF'd level 60 shamans. Try to arrange it so you only need 100-400 xp to hit level 32, then do the grant, because you will end up 99% into level 61.

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Thanks, yes I saw that trick about getting the percentage of experience left to hit the next level right at the max so that when the grants are done, they only need to do a little bit to hit the next level. Right now they are sitting just under level 21. After my shamans are leveled up, then I'll go back and work the alts to just about 32 as you said (if I have any time left from the 3 month recruit-a-friend time).

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What is the point of 32.............seems like overkill.....