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That is all!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4
So does anyone else think that in the near future (Maybe a month or two) they will bring back bg's /follow?
Nope. I think this is a permanent change.
I have not lost all hope. I will play my solo char a month or two, to see if they allow /follow in bg again. If not i might try out pve, or just find another boxable game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wait_what
BGs are fine without follow, as long as you are melee. If you must play a caster/hunter and must do BGs, then WoW is no longer for you.
no one will know this there looking at numbers and seeing if it clears anything up. lax made a post back a few weeks ago about this they need us out as we was massing up of there automated systems if they can work out from the logs of just bots, then follow cloud be be added back in. Or they like the lass of the QQ tickets etc, and not add us back in........ Only time will till.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
I think we got what we deserve. It has become too easy and too efficient to multi box. We pushed the limits too far. Software like isboxer allows to perform automated actions . You can spam the same button and it will trigger a different action each time. You don't even know exactly what action is gonna be done when you press your same button. Is it howling blast or obliterate? You don't need to know. Boxing like that requires no skills. It allows to do coordinate your team in a way that would be impossible for different players on vent. For instance, round Robindeath grip or mind freeze or remorless winter . Yes, we got what we deserve.
Takes no skill? Lol. Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frenzy
Ever think that multiboxing takes different skills than solo? Just like abilities have different synergy and efficiencies for boxers? I was in a discussion with a solo player about who has the best burst. I insisted enhance, he insisted Mage based on a Swifty video. Neither was wrong, but our definition of burst was clearly different. I was thinking from the perspective of how many GCD to kill someone using multiple toons and he was thinking of damage over a few seconds using a combo. Different viewpoints, different skillsets.
No skill? Lol. Ok again.
I've been eager to make a similar post to what frenzy wrote. For me multiboxing was about controlling multiple characters at once, something you did when you had more than enough control over one char and want that extra challenge. It was only for those who were skilled enough, and a big part was setting up your team. You had to be knowledgeable about the classes, about the macro system, be smart about your healing. Since I joined the boxing community back in the fall of 2009, I saw it getting easier and easier to start multiboxing, while the power you'd obtain only increased. The power of isboxer is incredible, ... but instant window swapping, pixel precise mouse broadcasting, the way it configures a pretty decent setup by default, the whole follow / strobing concept, the integration of jamba, ... those are one by one incredible powerful tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owltoid
Someone who is mediocre at best at the pvp game, buys 5 accounts, gets an isboxer sub, copy/pastes a setup from db.com (including macros/isboxer/jamba config), levels 4 dks and a pally and basically gets 1 button godmode. Without knowing much about the game, his class, the macro system, ... let alone that he is in full control of his toons. There is little problem for the guy to just run around in a random bg, raping opponents one by one, still spamming the same 1 button. And all in a sudden the guy decides that it would even be cooler to have 10 toons and do the same.
A bit exaggerated ... but I saw this exact thing happening with a friend. And I didn't like it at all. He was literally unable to play his dk solo, nor could he write a macro or think for himself what ability he should use. Yet he was able to take on tons of people in a random bg without taking a scratch. And in my opinion that defeats the purpose of the game, and multiboxing in particular. I'm well aware that many will disagree, but that is why I think that removing /follow makes sense, as it brings back the skill aspect (like you prove yourself now doing bgs without follow).
Long story short: I don't think that successful pvp multiboxing should be available for everyone.
I love it - for all those that say PvP multiboxing is easy, there are remarkably few that are actually successful at it. I'd say 75% of the multiboxers I run into i random BGs are awful - must be the same peeps who think it's all about spamming one button. I rape them every chance I get.
Let's stick to the thread discussion and not derail it with offtopic. I have temporarily removed the posts in question.
Well as far as getting gear goes I did Oonesta or whatever. First Run computers froze and 1/2 didnt get anything, 2nd run was 7 hours long with wipe after wipe lol. BUT at the end of the day I got FIVE ilevel 522 items (total out of 27 guys)! Woot! Ilevel 522! They are pve but gem with PvP gems and they are pvp gear lol ....
So I really dont see any reason at all to need AV to gear up.
It's always hard to judge posts like this because of your join date and your total post count (referring to the member I've quoted below), so I have no idea if you've been successfully multiboxing raids since TBC or you just began multiboxing less than six months ago after MoP's release. I'll try not to be too harsh in this reply...
While I can somewhat agree with this statement, I don't agree with your reasoning why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frenzy
I would never say that multiboxing is easy, but I would say that the bar has been lowered in order to break into multiboxing these days (beyond the pricetag) due to the community, the widespread of knowledge, and the public guides that are available. In fact, the most recently added feature in WoW which has immensely helped multiboxers was the implementation of Interact with Target -- And it's been almost 3 years since it was added in patch 3.1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frenzy
This is an argument commonly used on the WoW forums in threads that retaliate against multiboxers. Lax has a recent blog post that, I believe, does a good job defining what 'automation' really is (and how game companies view it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Frenzy
This paragraph is where you're getting your definition that multiboxing is "too easy", but I'm going to go ahead and play devil's advocate here (it's one of my favorite roles to play).Quote:
Originally Posted by Frenzy
You're correct in saying that spamming keys takes no skill, but it also comes at a major DPS loss. Whether it's procs or positioning or whatever else, multiboxers just can't keep up and that's why we're at a constant disadvantage. When it comes to dealing with procs, multiboxers fall into one of these categories:
- Completely avoid proc-based talents and/or skills altogether
- Completely avoid classes that rely heavily on procs or positioning for good DPS
- Attempt to utilize procs, but not efficiently
- Able to utilize procs like a boss and maximizing DPS almost as well as a solo player
Which category do you believe most multiboxers fall into? Hint: It's not the bottom one.
Blizzard has made the game a little easier with every expansion -- whether it's class/ability consolidation or talents being dumbed down into what they are today -- and spamming abilities has become more forgiving over time. Did you play the game when healers had to be efficient with mana and use different ranks of each spell?
When we lost the comma-based macro system after WotLK and multiboxers had to actually begin playing their teams to an extent (crowd control lolwut?), our DPS numbers plummeted and many had to heavily "out gear" the content that was available in order to clear it. Cataclysm was a real eye-opener for many players that relied heavily on just mindlessly spamming keys.
However, don't get me wrong... there are those individuals who can multibox very efficiently, but it's most likely on a PvE level where scripted events can be overcome due to repetition. You seem to be stuck on the idea that being able to spam abilities means easy multiboxing. That's clearly not the case or else we'd be dominating Arena, RBGs, and current tier raid content.
Everything that Mirai said, plus I'm going to point out that this is true of anyone using castsequence macros.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frenzy
If anything blizzard has made dpsing harder by making more stuff proc based over the last two expansions.
Troll alert, but I'll bite.
Stopped reading right there. Obvious distortions like that completely undermine whatever else you might be trying to communicate. If you're going to accuse someone else of violations of the "spirit of the <blah>" then try to not be guilty of violations of the "spirit of honest argument." lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Frenzy
I can do more automation with my World or Warcraft gaming mouse and Gaming Keyboard then I can with IsBoxer.
IsBoxer does not work with the auto-fire thing, but WoW does. So if I wanted to automate macros I would have to do it with WoW only, not through IsBoxer.
WOW, lots of deleted posts and lots of over assuming going on.
So lets back it up and I want to share some of my limited experience. I first got in to boxing after getting owned by an elemental shaman team back in S2-4, way back in the day at the end of TBC if I recall. I started small, leveled and it was never easy as I didn't have ISBoxer and as a player was still increasing my knowledge of macros and what not. In that regard we have come along way as a community.
Flash foward 2-3 expansions and I am still getting better at PVP as solo and group play. PVP is never easy. Boxing PVP is never easy or a faceroll. In the last season's closing days I was leveling my shamans in AV after doing some quests. One rogue tied up my whole team the entire AV. I had totems down, spread out earthquakes, occassional elementals... etc... PVP is never easy if you are against a skilled and determined single boxer. If you can work LOS, CC at max range and then re-stealth/kite away before over whelming reprisal hits you then you as a single-boxer are successful. If a multi-boxer can't get that lil thorn out of their side in world PVP try doing it in Arena. There are threads out there of people not being able to overcome a determined rogue/druid who gets the stealth detect buffs and then resetting combat.
Since the late portion of Cata there has been some very vocal single-boxers and multi-boxers on the WOW forums. Most of us who box get slotted against a pre-made team when we used to queue up. I have gone against alliance boxers and QQ premades while running with the Zerg. I think most people over estimate the number of boxers and premades in the BGs but the feedback has hurt us. No one really cares how much of an advantage or disadvantage a boxer brings to the team. You can be sitting in AV/AB/EOTS holding a node and the entire team will be grumpy even if you never lose that node. Even then PVP isn't easy if 3-8 attack you using CC and stealth.
So I will be back in AV shortly (this weekend hopefully ding'ing 90 on my used to be elemental shammy team) and druid if/when I transfer it off of my daughters account tomorrow. I have to work out my teams changes, macros, set-up and try to figue out how 4 enhancements and either a resto/balance/guardian/feral druid can do well together. While doing so I have to figure out how my logitech g600 mouse can make my life easier.
I generally extract portions of the macros from here and then customize my own take on it as I am not a top level boxer but I give it a good try. I don't copy a setup and call it mine, I make my own and play it my way. I think that is what attacts alot of people to this community is the desire to do something different, push their level of group play higher, and over come some self-appointed goals. I would be happy making and maintaining 13-1400 CR rating in 5s. Just something to think about.
hmm looks like follow is working in arenas :)
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Thats good, Lets just hope they fix the /follow in BGs as soon as possible so i can subscribe to my wow accounts again.
My reason for leaving really had little to do with BGs. I did 5 box BGs once in a blue moon but it wasn't my thing. Training some guy in no gear was no fun which happened most of the time. Once in a great while a group of medicore to decent players would engage me in teams and that was fun but few and far between. Most of them time it was my 5 box vs 1, 2 or 3 uncoordinated players. In that case I'd win.
There are other obvious reasons to not box WoW. Questing is discouraging. The lack of 5 man content is as well. They plan to keep that trend going too as they won't be adding any further 5 man content to MoP.
I 5 boxed MoP briefly to see the 5 mans and do some of the questing. It was super lame for me so I just left. The BG ban was the icing on the cake.
Soooo, in other words you don't like multiboxing?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
if they could bring follow in rbg's i would be happyQuote:
Originally Posted by mihon
I still play battlegrounds with my 5 enhancement shamans.
a bit harder..
but not a problem.
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Originally Posted by Owltoid
PvP isn't all there is to multiboxing. I multiboxed EQ for years and it just had far more interesting PvE content in this regard. It wasn't the central focus to grind dailies and pick up glittery nodes on the ground. This is pretty much how I've come to detest multiboxing WoW.
If collections were group wide and they had a focus on 5 man content WoW would be better off for multiboxing even without BGs.
The collection quests are a big pain, but they are much much better than previous expansions. The items respawn so fast that sometimes I just run in a circle collecting them.
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Have you been doing them since 5.2? I heard that on the ptr a whole group was supposed to get credit for collection quests when one person looted. Were we misinformed?
It never made it to the 5.2 release :(Quote:
Originally Posted by luxlunae
5.2 really killed WoW for me. No new 5 mans and a ton of dailies just ruined it. 5.3 has interesting changes, but not enough to bring me back. I may just wait until 6.0
Will you tell us how you handle movement now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxdiebox
Do you use multimount and IWT?
And what do you do in combat situations (no mount)?
Or is this top secret? ^^
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Originally Posted by Chivalrous
Pretty much how I feel about it.
All my guys are 90 so just on ice until news comes out about shared group questing and interesting 5 man content like BRD.
I'm personally fine with no BG follow for the time I can arena just fine still and I actually enjoy leveling toons now because of it and PvE is still fun. Plus I normally cant bring my 3 toons into BG with my guildies since we got so many who want to xD
also how viable would 3 S.priest be in Dungeons as DPS?
This is neither the thread nor the forum for this question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wait_what
Open a new thread in the appropriate forum.
I have a Theory how Follow works on Battlegrounds. It is nothing with IWT.
I will test it and post a guide as soon as possible.
There are enough mounts/pets/items which you can interact with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grobi
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PvP multiboxing ain't easy. The main point is to stay alive and the more you box the harder it gets. i'm talking about facing a group of people-Quote:
Originally Posted by Owltoid
They should slap /follow in RBG's as they did arenas :) and i would be happy camper.
Frankly, if you're having troubles in random BGs without /follow, then I can't see how you'd be successful in RBGs with /follow. The removal of follow isn't a big deal for melee boxers.Quote:
Originally Posted by sethlan
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Originally Posted by Owltoid
Even with melee it's a big deal. Simple things like running up a tower are next to impossible. It was hard enough keeping them together for it with follow. The change really killed it for me. I enjoyed making a difference in the bg's prior to the change.
There are many ways you can contribute to the success of your team without running up a tower. However, as alliance I was still spending a large amount of the BG guarding IWB against horde very successfully. As long as you stick to the alliance towers (for either offense or defense) you can play a limited version of the tower game.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinotnoir
The only BGs where you may have a big change are the two 10-man capture the flag BGs. WSG is probably the most difficult, but you can still help the team win by controlling the mid.
If anyone watched my stream and disagrees that I was very effective in BGs then please speak up - I can take the criticism. I'd say I streamed a good 40 hours of BGs over the last 10 days and rarely ever was the lack of /follow a huge hindrance.
I watched quite a bit of it and I would not disagree with you. However, you are a top end multiboxer, and as you say primarily melee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owltoid
Now Since Blizzard has not outlawed multiboxing in BGs, but as Bashiok said in his post about /follow being removedDo you think think the "others" (i.e. the majority casual solo players) are having a better experience with the average multiboxer still playing in battlegrounds, but only less effectively than before when they had /follow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bashiok
Granted Owltoid, your play is minimally impacted, but it would seem that an average boxer with casters will be much more noticeably impacted, and therefore likely to create an even "poorer experience for others".
P.s. The only gripe I had with your streaming was logging in to your channel and seeing "FTL" as the message and thinking for the few seconds it took to load that maybe Blizzard had reverted /follow for BGs, only to find you were playing the space strategy game FTL lol.