Thinking of 25 boxing WoW - Not sure about a lot of things

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93333#po st93333

Because my groups are on 5 different computers I have basically perfect autofollow. Of course I can only move one group at a time. So like my leader toon (shaman) will be on the main computer and the 4 followers will be on seperate computers. Autofollow has problems when the leader and follower are on the same computer. I think Ill have little problems with the hardware/control part (just ordered 2 more HP 2335 1920X1200 monitors, so I have 4 of them now and 2 that are 1650X1080 or whatever).

Ya keep it simple is the key for sure, I was reading about macros and scripts all last night and except for buffs I doubt i gonna hardly use them, I just going to target with warrior, then assist arcane barrage, cycle from group 1 to group 5 untill the target is dead. If not dead then do the same again, because only 3-4 mages will attack at one time I won't waste mana.

Lets say its 1Prest/1Shaman/3Mage per group for simple. Because cool down is 3 seconds Ill switch between group in 3/5ths sec each (I can do 3 switch in 2 seconds now)

Start: 3 mages hit
.6 seconds later 3 mages hit again
1.2 3 more
1.8 3 more
2.4 3 more
3.0 first 3 again after cool down.

If target is dead after say 9 mages then I just cycle to the first gorup again, target someone else and repreat. Basically I wont even use macros or scripts, at least for non healing offesive. Thats kinda why a warrior is needed for targeting, Once I lose my assist Im kinda hurting. On the other hand if they are targeting the warrior then they arnt attacking the cloths lol ...

So press one key to cycle between groups, and one key to cast arcane barrage. Then just alternate untill target is dead. Also same thing staggers the totems perfectly.

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Its like he doesnt even read what anyone is saying. Its VERY obvious YOU have never played WoW before, Some things just dont transfer over from EQ very well. I suggest you run a group of 5 SOMETHINGS(doesnt really matter what) to 60+ to get a feel for the game and how everything works. Mages would work best since you can then PL every other group with them, and you can still use them for DPS once everyone is 70.


You will not have to cycle through groups, you can use keyclone or multiclass and simple press 1 key for 25 toons...IE; hotkey 1 nukes for mages, heals for priests, ect. Its all about the Macro set ups and the addons, not so much switching between computers.

there is no difference between learning with 25 and learning with 5. either way he will have to adjust to a new game and learn to manage his setup.

lets read back through your first few posts on this forum and see how we can criticize you for asking questions. try to be a little less critical and offer something constructive.

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Originally Posted by 'Draz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93348#post9334 8

Its like he doesnt even read what anyone is saying. Its VERY obvious YOU have never played WoW before, Some things just dont transfer over from EQ very well. I suggest you run a group of 5 SOMETHINGS(doesnt really matter what) to 60+ to get a feel for the game and how everything works. Mages would work best since you can then PL every other group with them, and you can still use them for DPS once everyone is 70.


You will not have to cycle through groups, you can use keyclone or multiclass and simple press 1 key for 25 toons...IE; hotkey 1 nukes for mages, heals for priests, ect. Its all about the Macro set ups and the addons, not so much switching between computers.

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Originally Posted by 'Jezebel',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93351#post9 3351

there is no difference between learning with 25 and learning with 5. either way he will have to adjust to a new game and learn to manage his setup.

lets read back through your first few posts on this forum and see how we can criticize you for asking questions. try to be a little less critical and offer something constructive.

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Originally Posted by 'Draz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93348#post9334 8

Its like he doesnt even read what anyone is saying. Its VERY obvious YOU have never played WoW before, Some things just dont transfer over from EQ very well. I suggest you run a group of 5 SOMETHINGS(doesnt really matter what) to 60+ to get a feel for the game and how everything works. Mages would work best since you can then PL every other group with them, and you can still use them for DPS once everyone is 70.


You will not have to cycle through groups, you can use keyclone or multiclass and simple press 1 key for 25 toons...IE; hotkey 1 nukes for mages, heals for priests, ect. Its all about the Macro set ups and the addons, not so much switching between computers.

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LETS look back and see what I asked, considering this is now my 3rd post...and you be alittle less hypocritical

its your third post using that username. common practice is to ask all your newbie questions and then make another username once you know what you need to know, so you can pretend you knew it all and you were never a clueless newb, as we all were at some point. i also suggest you invest in a dictionary and look up the meaning of hypocrisy, since im quite sure it doesnt mean what you think it means.

Re: Sam..

a warrior will just be wasting a slot in your group makeup. running into melee range while multiboxing in general is a pain.. doing it while trying to manage 24 other characters would be a nightmare. plus it means a whole new set of abilities/macros to manage, and a lot more hotkeys. its just not worth it except when you need a tank for PvE (in which case, id recommend a pally rather than a warrior). if you set up your macro system well, it should only take one or two keypress'to switch your assist focus from one mage to another.. tabbing over or switching PC's, obviously, to directly run that client. Synergy or a KVM switch works great for switching your mouse/keyboard to a new client on another PC without having to actually move to another physical keyboard (as im sure you know already).

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Originally Posted by 'Draz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93352#post9335 2

LETS look back and see what I asked, considering this is now my 3rd post...and you be alittle less hypocritical

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sam is going to redefine what boxing is.

ignore that he has no idea about how works at all, and corrects people when he claims he will "cycle."

one day soon you will see how he has the highest burst dps in all of WOW. Even though right now he's choosing the wrong class for it, and not listening to people about "macros that he'll never use."

He will kill a squirrel with 25 people all landing a nuke at the same time and ask if anyone has ever come close to such massive burst dps. He still thinks there are "zones" he can camp in games, because we all know how amazing PVP is in EQ, and expresses concerns that WoW doesn't cater to someone who can invest that much money into a game that would allow him to singlehandedly win a battleground.

He'll ignore the fact that most times when you're in a BG with a 5+ boxer, it is a loss because it is like running short 4 people even though those 5 can, more or less, gib at will.



See, his understanding about EQ is that they were a lot less lenient in separating boxers from their money and required inputting to each box, which is why cycling was necessary. WoW has redefined the term "character automation" and allows 1 keystroke to be split amongst as many unmonitored clients that you can handle. Imagine if you could do that in EQ sam? No more cycling! Gasp! WoW really has taken the skill out of MMORPGS! He's in for a real treat when he realizes how autofollow is used/not used in WoW because of the keystroke splitting! Mmm!

I can't wait to see how this turns out. People just don't care that he does his 24 boxing in a dead game on useless targets. Time to expand the audience. Take his posts here and multiply the unashamed ego, know-it-all nature by over 9,000. You are chatting with one of the greats, and he will destroy your mindset about boxing.



Even the post title "Thinking about 25 boxing..." Not 5. Not even 1. 25. Not "thinking about learning anything about wow before I post ridiculous assumptions about the game in my half-baked plans." Sam does not need defending. Clearly everyone who knows nothing about a game at all should make an advanced post about how he's planning on levelling 25 characters to max and playing them all at the same time.



Strap yourselves in. Sam has arrived.

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Originally Posted by 'Jezebel',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93353#post9 3353

its your third post using that username. common practice is to ask all your newbie questions and then make another username once you know what you need to know, so you can pretend you knew it all and you were never a clueless newb,

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And thats where ASS-U-ming gets you in trouble. I have never created an account here before. The mods can check the IPs if you wish. I have a pretty good grasp of the english language, other than spelling (seriously, who takes the time to spell correctly lol). And you are a hyprocrit for critizing me for telling Sam to learn about the game, when he even started asking questions in the wrong forum. This is the general forum btw.

*Ahem* According to the board rules, you should ask all questions in the correct forum. So why did you not correct him on this mistake, but yet take the time to make an asnine assumption about something you have no clue about? Hypocrit!

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93333#po st93333

Because my groups are on 5 different computers I have basically perfect autofollow. Of course I can only move one group at a time. So like my leader toon (shaman) will be on the main computer and the 4 followers will be on seperate computers. Autofollow has problems when the leader and follower are on the same computer. I think Ill have little problems with the hardware/control part (just ordered 2 more HP 2335 1920X1200 monitors, so I have 4 of them now and 2 that are 1650X1080 or whatever).

Ya keep it simple is the key for sure, I was reading about macros and scripts all last night and except for buffs I doubt i gonna hardly use them, I just going to target with warrior, then assist arcane barrage, cycle from group 1 to group 5 untill the target is dead. If not dead then do the same again, because only 3-4 mages will attack at one time I won't waste mana.

Lets say its 1Prest/1Shaman/3Mage per group for simple. Because cool down is 3 seconds Ill switch between group in 3/5ths sec each (I can do 3 switch in 2 seconds now)

Start: 3 mages hit
.6 seconds later 3 mages hit again
1.2 3 more
1.8 3 more
2.4 3 more
3.0 first 3 again after cool down.

If target is dead after say 9 mages then I just cycle to the first gorup again, target someone else and repreat. Basically I wont even use macros or scripts, at least for non healing offesive. Thats kinda why a warrior is needed for targeting, Once I lose my assist Im kinda hurting. On the other hand if they are targeting the warrior then they arnt attacking the cloths lol ...

So press one key to cycle between groups, and one key to cast arcane barrage. Then just alternate untill target is dead. Also same thing staggers the totems perfectly.

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This can be done in using KeyClone and the simple macros:

Key 0:
Shaman01_Group1: /castsequence Tremor Totem,,
Shaman01_Group2: /castsequence ,Tremor Totem,

Shaman01_Group3: /castsequence ,,Tremor Totem


Hit 0 every second, and you'll have a tremor totem pulsing every second to break fear.

Key1:
Mage01_Group1 to Mage03_Group1: /castsequence reset=target [target=focus] Arcane Missle,,,,

Mage01_Group1 to Mage03_Group2: /castsequence reset=target [target=focus] ,Arcane Missle,,,

Mage01_Group1 to Mage03_Group3: /castsequence reset=target [target=focus] ,,Arcane Missle,,

Mage01_Group1 to Mage03_Group4: /castsequence reset=target [target=focus] ,,,Arcane Missle,
Mage01_Group1 to Mage03_Group5: /castsequence reset=target [target=focus] Arcane Missle


You hit 1, Group 1 Mages cast Arcane Missile to the target of the focus (your tank).
The next time you hit 1, Group 2 Mages cast.
The next time you hit 3, Group 3 Mages cast.

If the target is dead, and your tank switches target, it starts again with Group 1 Mages shooting.

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Originally Posted by 'samfan',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93373#post93 373

sam is going to redefine what boxing is.

ignore that he has no idea about how works at all, and corrects people when he claims he will "cycle."

one day soon you will see how he has the highest burst dps in all of WOW. Even though right now he's choosing the wrong class for it, and not listening to people about "macros that he'll never use."

He will kill a squirrel with 25 people all landing a nuke at the same time and ask if anyone has ever come close to such massive burst dps. He still thinks there are "zones" he can camp in games, because we all know how amazing PVP is in EQ, and expresses concerns that WoW doesn't cater to someone who can invest that much money into a game that would allow him to singlehandedly win a battleground.

He'll ignore the fact that most times when you're in a BG with a 5+ boxer, it is a loss because it is like running short 4 people even though those 5 can, more or less, gib at will.



See, his understanding about EQ is that they were a lot less lenient in separating boxers from their money and required inputting to each box, which is why cycling was necessary. WoW has redefined the term "character automation" and allows 1 keystroke to be split amongst as many unmonitored clients that you can handle. Imagine if you could do that in EQ sam? No more cycling! Gasp! WoW really has taken the skill out of MMORPGS! He's in for a real treat when he realizes how autofollow is used/not used in WoW because of the keystroke splitting! Mmm!

I can't wait to see how this turns out. People just don't care that he does his 24 boxing in a dead game on useless targets. Time to expand the audience. Take his posts here and multiply the unashamed ego, know-it-all nature by over 9,000. You are chatting with one of the greats, and he will destroy your mindset about boxing.



Even the post title "Thinking about 25 boxing..." Not 5. Not even 1. 25. Not "thinking about learning anything about wow before I post ridiculous assumptions about the game in my half-baked plans." Sam does not need defending. Clearly everyone who knows nothing about a game at all should make an advanced post about how he's planning on levelling 25 characters to max and playing them all at the same time.



Strap yourselves in. Sam has arrived.

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So you're implying it might be a troll post.

Still, 25-boxing is a good discussion. Even if Sam does not go through his plans, the discussion of 25-box shows that it is doable, but for me, there's no game goals requiring it.
10-man at most for KZ just like how Nixi is doing it. Heck, Grull, a 25-man dungeon has been 7-manned before.

And from the various info on WotLK, 25-man contents will have a corresponding 10-man version.

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Originally Posted by 'Sanctume',index.php?page=Thread&postID=93379#post 93379

So you're implying it might be a troll post.

Still, 25-boxing is a good discussion. Even if Sam does not go through his plans, the discussion of 25-box shows that it is doable, but for me, there's no game goals requiring it.
10-man at most for KZ just like how Nixi is doing it. Heck, Grull, a 25-man dungeon has been 7-manned before.

And from the various info on WotLK, 25-man contents will have a corresponding 10-man version.

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No, it's not a troll post. Sam is genuine. He has lots of computers hanging from chains in his dungeon, weirs a loincloth / codpiece and brags about hookers and concert tickets. Look him up on the internet if you don't believe me.

I'm saying he is not really looking for discourse. He is looking to share a bit of his glory with you. He knows nothing about WoW, but I guarantee that soon enough any shred of "Sam the Beginner" will be a hazy memory while the infinite SAM DA MAN will reign supreme.

It takes a while of slogging through his references to EQ macros working in WoW to think that he really has that large of an ePeen, but you'll get the drift soon enough. Make way for Sam.



"Why would you bother?" quickly turns to "That's not really relevant." I kid you not, this forum will see a "Highest Burst DPS" thread in the near future, on some frivolous target, with the claims that noone else has even come close to it.

i see that the more popular boxing gets, the more people migrate over here from the wow forums. i suppose it was only a matter of time till the community here degraded to that level.