WoW 4.0.6 PTR - LOTS of changes

That's not my point.

Why did Unholy get this buff? Why did Unholy get ANY buffs. Even if they are still stoppable, and they are by all means the most unstoppable class in the game right now, WHY on earth did they get a buff, and a buff of this magnitude? They gave the exact same thing to ghost wolf, and then nerfed it into oblivion.

What are they thinking with Druids. Why is Ele completely worthless? Is 10% lava damage really their answer?

There is no excuse for a game THIS mature to be this poorly thought out. I can sum that last sentence up in 2 words "Tol barad"


This is a company with about 11.5 million subscribers. NOT counting the Aprox 460 MILLION dollars they just sold in the Cata upgrades, they rake in around 170 Million dollars a month. In 2008 blizzard released figures showing that the total upkeep of the game (Original development costs, Hardware, employees, customer support) has cost 200 Million from 2004-2008. That's around 50 million a year. Giving my math the benefit of the doubt, they are raking in about 1.8 BILLION dollars each year from WoW. BILLION, with a capital B!

And this is the best they can come up with.

/rage rant done

DPS for the BH fight

Class

DPS (Avg)

Rogue - Assassination

22566

Hunter - Survival

22592

Death Knight - Unholy

22362

Warlock - Destruction

21465

Shaman - Elemental

21051

Mage - Fire

20801

Warlock - Affliction

20561

Shaman - Enhancement

20517

Priest - Shadow

20387

Druid - Balance

20468

Druid - Feral Cat

20310

Warrior - Fury

20369

Paladin - Retribution

19761

Mage - Frost

19337

Death Knight - Frost

18550

Rogue - Combat

18571

Warlock - Demonology

18331

Warrior - Arms

15845

Mage - Arcane

15333

Hunter - Marksmanship

14366

Hunter - Beast Mastery

12415

Rogue - Subtlety

11187

actually, just on the PVE side of things, shamans are not too bad considering both specs are viable. 10% lava burst will move elemental up a bit too. Rogue/Hunter/Dk/Warlock all got at least 1 spec that is not on par.
As for PVP, like I said, the change to unholy is just to further homogenize classes. To make it the same as enhancement shaman/Retribution paladin/Rogue/Feral Druid for anti snare. Chains of ice root is another step, making unholy exactly the same as enhance shaman. This change was long considered and scheduled, not something they came up out of the blue.

Whether unholy needs this change or not, I agree with you. Unholy doesn't need it. But this is blizzard's intend, to homogenize everything, so not much we can do about it. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if elemental is getting an iceblock or at least something like shamanstic rage.

So my son just pointed this line out to me on Wowhead tonight...

Seal of Truth: All single target attacks (including Judgement, Hammer of Wrath, Exorcism, and Templar's Verdict) can now trigger this seal.

I immediately transfered one of my new Paladins over to PTR and went to a target dummy. Sure enough, it's exactly as advertised. If you are running Seal of Truth then Judgement, Exorcism, and even Holy Shock (used offensively, of course) will stack Censure on the target and proc the bonus percentage of weapon damage. The tooltip on the Seal of Truth buff even clearly states that all single-target attacks now trigger it.

I can't wait to start throwing this on anything and everything in pvp.

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Originally Posted by remanz

DPS for the BH fight
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actually, just on the PVE side of things, shamans are not too bad considering both specs are viable. 10% lava burst will move elemental up a bit too. Rogue/Hunter/Dk/Warlock all got at least 1 spec that is not on par.

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1. showing bh dps as proof to say ele is fine in pve ... thats not a very realistic way to do it. It requires hardly any movement, and in that movement phase we can use long cooldowns. every raid boss that requires movement (i.e. 80%+) makes ele sitting on the lower end of dps
2. you can't compare shaman specs with rogue/hunter/lock/mage. we have 3 roles, them just 1. i'm elemental shaman, i don't like enhance or healing at all. whereas when i play my dk for example, i care less if i play frost or unholy, depending on situation( pvp/pve ..)

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Originally Posted by remanz

DPS for the BH fight

Class

DPS (Avg)

Rogue - Assassination

22566

Hunter - Survival

22592

Death Knight - Unholy

22362

Warlock - Destruction

21465

Shaman - Elemental

21051

...actually, just on the PVE side of things, shamans are not too bad considering both specs are viable. ...

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Hey, you found a single fight where shamans aren’t at the bottom of it. Gratz.

Like other and myself have already said, Elemental DPS goes to hell in PvP because we are turret mode casters.

huh, you know what.

I am not gonna argue with you guys that shaman is fine~. They are not fine. I merely pointed out a dummy dps case where shaman was in the middle. But then again, a lot of the classes/specs are not fine. Not everybody is DK/Warlock/Rogue/Hunter.

The game would never be balanced. and you just have to adapt and focus/enjoy the content.

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Originally Posted by Trick

So my son just pointed this line out to me on Wowhead tonight...

Seal of Truth: All single target attacks (including Judgement, Hammer of Wrath, Exorcism, and Templar's Verdict) can now trigger this seal.

I immediately transfered one of my new Paladins over to PTR and went to a target dummy. Sure enough, it's exactly as advertised. If you are running Seal of Truth then Judgement, Exorcism, and even Holy Shock (used offensively, of course) will stack Censure on the target and proc the bonus percentage of weapon damage. The tooltip on the Seal of Truth buff even clearly states that all single-target attacks now trigger it.

I can't wait to start throwing this on anything and everything in pvp.

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So it procs seal damage too ?? i.e. I can just exorcism you from afar. That would stack the dot as well as proc the seal damage ?

If that's the case, ret dps is back~. I've already seen people reporting 10% dps increase on PTR vs live.

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Originally Posted by remanz

So it procs seal damage too ?? i.e. I can just exorcism you from afar. That would stack the dot as well as proc the seal damage ?

If that's the case, ret dps is back~. I've already seen people reporting 10% dps increase on PTR vs live.

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Stacks the dot. Procs the seal damage. GG.

To resume the discussion of DPS post 4.0.6


http://www.simulationcraft.org/Raid_T11_372_406.html

this site has a breakdown on rankings in raid DPS. All are in 372 heroic gear.

1. MM Hunter 30899
2. Unholy DK with 2h 30198
3. Shadow Priest 30024
4. Balance Druid 28352
5. Retribution Paladin 27935
6. Fury Warrior with 1h 27173
7. MM Hunter arcane shot 27168
8. Fury Warrior with 2h 27083
9. Warlock Destruction 27080
10. Unholy DK 1h 26883
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Shaman doesn't look like a winner here. Keep in mind this is with the best gear scaling on theortical max dps. Some classes scale better with gear.

Dont know if im going crazy, but I am thinking that the Justice Points needed to buy the weapons increased.... I thought it was 2 weeks for the 1h and 3 weeks for the 2h. It looks like they added a week for each slot.

Am i seeing this right?