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Well, good. It's just hard to believe that gender stereotypes are still keeping people from communities on the net. I suppose that I'm very naive in my open-mindedness, but I hope that the sort of free communication of the net someday abolishes those barriers.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mak',index.php?page=Thread&postID=58463#post58463
I'm sure this post will be met with some degree of criticism.
Personally, I avoid guilds with girls in.
Reasoning behind it, is that I hate unnessecary drama and I feel that in the guilds I have belonged to where girls have been involved, that is where it stems from.
I'd say the number of girls playing at the Highest levels of WoW are probably 1/50? 1/100? Smurfette in Smurf village ratios, along with that you have the hordes of salivating hormone ridden teenagers, drama is usually inevitable.
Then theres the jealousy, etc etc.
I think most of the issue stems from game design. Most games are designed for an adolescant male audience, there aren't a huge amount of *extremely* popular games that are targetted at girls.
Its out of MMOs that you see even less girls, the FPS genre for instance, arguably *THE* most competitive around, I've never seen a girl on the podium recieving an award at Quakecon who hasn't been competing in the girl events. Girls aren't competitive in the high-end yet, but when they are, god help us all ;)
Before I switched realms, I was in a guild with a female GL for two years. She exhibited none of the traits you describe. Any drama in that guild came strictly from the males.
We were a pretty mature guild; almost zero younger members with most players being between 20 and 40 (strangely bunched at either end of that range with little in between).
Prior to that I was in a guild that was co-lead by a man and wife team. My closest friend in that guild was also female.
The women I've met in WoW have very much enriched the experience for me.
I should criticize but I will restrain myself =PQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Wilbur',index.php?page=Thread&postID=58480#post58 480
In all honestly, I can hear your point. The best guild in the world Nilithum (sp?) doesn't recruit women b/c of the drama. That's maybe another reason why I avoid guilds. I have had WoW drama before because of jealousy and it escalated into RL (I knew them) and it wasn't pleasant. It has caused me to no longer play my first two 70s because I refuse to deal with the crap that comes with it (or with them). Another reason why I re-rolled (a 70 mage) and am now five-boxing it. It was basically an issue where they couldn't separate the game from reality.
For me, the drama found me. I didn't start it or do anything (that I know of) but it comes with the territory I guess of being a female in an overly male virtual world. Does it bother me? Heck yea it does but the truth is the truth. Cheers to the guilds out there who accept women and the ones that are relatively drama-free (one day I will join you). Everyone causes drama and since there's more males that play this game then females, there's likely more drama causing males in this game. But hey, everyone sees it as they see it.
With Vent, it's hard to hide the fact that we're female but if you didn't know the player behind the screen was a female, I don't think it would make a difference. Are you telling me that if you met a phenomenal healer/MT/DPS who rocked everyone's socks off, you'd just leave that guild when you found out it was a female? What if there were a couple high end female raiders? We've already proven that we can run with the boys so why not just give us a chance?
Revealing ourselves by telling someone or through voice ruins it all but we shouldn't have to hide. A lot of us do though ( I did until I came here). I read an article where a girl is MT for a high raiding guild on a male Tauren warrior so people wouldn't hit on her. It isn’t fair but we don't have a choice yet.
I think it all comes down to how the guild leader handles it. But please, don't blame us females for all the drama. Blame those, such as Vyn's GL, who think we're not as good as them. They are the reason there is drama. Their little world is made whole by breaking something and getting to 'fix' it when in reality; all they do is make it worse.
Hopefully, the more girls that break into gaming, the more accepted it will become. Look at what Vyn has does for this community. Proof right there that we're making progress. This is the 21st century after all. I do hope though that if anyone comes across a great guild, you'll give it a chance instead of not joining because there are females. I bet you'll meet some pretty kick ass girls, who can melt your face off =P
I definitely prefer running with older people who have a bit more understanding. And the WoW couples are adorable and it's cool when they run a guild together. I have definitely heard tons of positive responses to female gamers. Cheers to your guild! Hope your new one is just as awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Maz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=58486#post58486
Was actually a joke if I recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mak',index.php?page=Thread&postID=58496#post58496
I've been in multiple guilds with masses of girls, inc myself, and as was mentioned before, any drama was the regular kind, the kind that happens in guilds regardless of sex, you know the sort ;)
The problem is that there are bad eggs, and due to the smaller amount of girl gamers and the fact that most do not go out of their way to make sure eveerrryone knows they are a girl " Teehee! *^.^* " /kiss , its the ones that do make a fuss and act like morons that people notice, and those are the kind that leave nasty first impressions.
It is completely understandable, but sad that there are a small percentage of guild Princesses around, and they ruin it for the real competitively minded girl gamers.
I hate the Princess's...
If any of you played EQ, I got a word for you, Kela. /spit.
Which around 60% of the time are men, posting pictures of internet gals or their sisters as "proof".Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Wilbur',index.php?page=Thread&postID=58512#post58 512
Gotta love the giant boobed pics from the sadly mute girl :(
Ahhh anonymity can be fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ifalna',index.php?page=Thread&postID=58517#post58 517
Love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ifalna',index.php?page=Thread&postID=58517#post58 517
Back in the Alpha and Beta RO days we had 2 chicks in our "guild"/community(which later turned into GBHQ if you know what that was prior to Gunbound's death and Caz going crazy); one fairly "normal" chick named Chell who didn't make a fuss over being a female, but was still crazy(as most chicks are ;) NOTE THE WINK PLEASE DONT KILL ME lolz), and the other was an often-pink-obsessed flirty girl named, funnily enough, Tunah. She provided some seemingly convincing pics but did overact the part a bit...didn't really "abuse" being a female, but worked kinda hard at it.(This was back in like 99/00/01 at worst before the whole no chicks on the intarweb joke)
Fast forward a year or so...the community's still together, waiting on RO's next beta. Turns out Tunah and another, male ,member of the community met in real life. Needless to say he was freakin humiliated to find out Ms. Tunah was Mr. Salmon. lol; poor guy never came back to the community and I don't think tunah did either.
Wall of text summary: BOY MEETS GIRL, GIRL IS GUY, MANY LOLZ
Anyways, on the current day topic, DA had quite a few female gamers including my ex...we even had 2 or 3 couples playing together too lol, it's becoming quite common as more chicks simply play and not give 2 shits about it and ignoring anyone who does still give a shit that they're females :P Didn't make a difference to us(well, except my ex...she threw so many bitchfits about loot and anytime I tried to explain raid strats to her to catch her up on new fights she'd tell me to "stfu i know how to play", aka took it to mean I didn't think she could...I know she could, I just told her the same as I tell everyone to not fuck up, and she's seen me do it to others too and complained when THEY didn't..lol [/rant]
"Anything you can do I can do better" "Yeah and anything I fuck up you can fuck up just as well", TRUE equality ;p Far as I personally care, I don't. I don't care if you're a kid or an adult, a dude or a chick; just play and if in a group or raid setting, at least try to play right ;p