Okay, who is this?

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193756#post1937 56

Bas, no offense, but why don't you post your blatant personal attack and post dissection in the *other* thread, the one tagged samjacked or whatever. this current topic is not about sam, it's about Prepared and his possible off-play in some WG games.

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It's locked. And besides, there seems to be some confusion from a specific member of the community who has been allowed to violate dual-boxing.com CoC in the past. He's doing it again. Whether or not this member's posting activity here is a problem directly relates to the issue of this gameplay from Wintergrasp. It's on topic.

EDIT: While I'm here, I'll point out that, although being a blatant attack, this is NOT personal. I don't have personal issues with DoucheWanker since I do my best to avoid him. His behavior here shouldn't be tolerated, but it is nonetheless. Anyone who would defend the actions discussed in this thread should be attacked by the Mods, not just me.

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193756#post1937 56

Posts like yours not only derail the topics, but also put the focus on Sam (who will most probably reply to a personal attack) when what you want (and many others possibly) is to not have sam reply.

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When has it ever been said that Sam can't reply? If he wants to reply, then let him! My problem isn't with his posting abilities, it's with the WAY HE USES THEM. He's used this thread to justify bad behavior and even after a ruling came in, he still goes off on his nutjob rants. This is just a repeat of the Mouseconner debacle. Again, this is ALL ON POINT.

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193756#post1937 56

just ignore him already if you don't like him, that message you dissected was mostly about how Fur responded to Prepared, not about Sam. sigh.

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Sam ignored the issue at hand. He's getting nasty responses because his behavior regarding the gameplay in Wintergrasp is atrocious. Again, THAT WAS ON TOPIC IN THIS THREAD. We're still discussing the gameplay which started this thread.

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193756#post1937 56

And regarding the moderation from supernova, i think he did a great job, as he removed the insulting and derailed topics, not those that are actually ON topic.

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I'm not saying moving the posts was wrong. I'm saying that it just covered up the REAL discussion in this thread. Someone here just doesn't get that certain behavior is not permitted in WoW and started the thread off with "it's not illegal, blah blah blah." Just to make sure no one can construe what I'm saying here as being off-topic, I"ll keep up with the vein of discussion.

Intentionally throwing a PvP match of any sort to favor your faction by controlling characters on the other team has always been against WoW's policies. There is a member of dual-boxing.com that refuses to acknowledge this and wanted to argue that nothing wrong has gone on. This should be a perma-ban as per the dual-boxing.com CoC. This is similar to win-trading and other things like it.

There. Is everyone happy now?

Intentionally throwing a PvP match of any sort to favor your faction by controlling characters on the other team has always been against WoW's policies indeed.
however playing toons on both side of the faction fence is ok in Blizzards books. check the screenshots of the GM conversation by prepared.

Sam was just asking that i believe, IS it illegal to have toons (on obviously other accounts) play on alliance side when you have some on horde side. To which prepared/gm responded it's ok.

He was also asking about 'more serious stuff' regarding blocking turrets/cannons, or vehicles, for which no proof was in the accusing early screenshots.

ow and (as i see it) calling someone douchewanker, although it's remotely entertaining, is still is a personal attack. along with making full walls of text in several threads trying to show how evil said douchewanker is.

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193782#post1937 82

however playing toons on both side of the faction fence is ok in Blizzards books. check the screenshots of the GM conversation by prepared.

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I wasn't debating that. Sam started this thread off saying that nothing illegal occurred. Big difference.

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193782#post1937 82

Sam was just asking that i believe, IS it illegal to have toons (on obviously other accounts) play on alliance side when you have some on horde side. To which prepared/gm responded it's ok.

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Again, not debating that. The only aspect of the accused behavior I'm concerned with is the throwing of the match.

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193782#post1937 82

He was also asking about 'more serious stuff' regarding blocking turrets/cannons, or vehicles, for which no proof was in the accusing early screenshots.

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Again, not debating that. This is just Sam's typical pattern of behavior (i.e. make statements that violate our forum's CoC, get called on it, and completely turn things around after that).

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193782#post1937 82

ow and (as i see it) calling someone douchewanker, although it's remotely entertaining, is still is a personal attack. along with making full walls of text in several threads trying to show how evil said douchewanker is.

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I'm not attacking him regarding personal issues. I'm attacking him based on his documented behavior. I haven't made any walls of text. I have responded to my detractors and their commentary in an organized manner. Evil doesn't come into play, but our CoC does.

Why it no one will deal with actual problems and would rather focus on a couple of people who are calling out bad behavior?

i guess i should have said wall of quotes instead of wall of text.

so, i'm lost now, regarding the original topic at hand, what is it you are debating?
I'll keep my sam-related answers to the other topic.

FFS Guys, drop the Sambash and move on with the OT if there's still an OT to discus.

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193787#post1937 87

so, i'm lost now, regarding the original topic at hand, what is it you are debating?

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The topic in this thread is the behavior of some multiboxer in Lake Wintergrasp. It is a violation of WoW's PvP policies. And I'm not debating anything since no one will counter me with arguments. I'm not even sure if anyone disagrees with anything I'm saying since they won't address it. My commentary in this thread has been about how this activity (the WG gameplay) is not at all acceptable. Some people didn't think so and continue to defend those that knowingly violated the PvP policies. I'm trying to make sure people know that such a playstyle is invalid, regardless of the opinions of one person here.

I'm also calling attention to the fact that people have been banned for less from this website. Normally, I don't do this. This isn't the first time such a person has been allowed to endorse such ToS violations without any consequence.

Funny you would say that, but the GM thinks it's alright.
And prepared (as far as i know) is not banned yet.

maybe the original accusator of the wow forums was full of shit?

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Originally Posted by 'zanthor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193792#post 193792

FFS Guys, drop the Sambash and move on with the OT if there's still an OT to discus.

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I've pointed out several times in my most recent posts that everything I've had to say is directly on topic. For example: The method of throwing a Wintergrasp match in order to benefit your faction by intentionally ruining the other team by controlling it with the purpose of sabotage is unacceptable. Some people have expressed a different opinion and despite of recent commentary by Blizzard, apparently hold this opinion still. We as a community should not tolerate this.

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Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193795#post1937 95

Funny you would say that, but the GM thinks it's alright.
And prepared (as far as i know) is not banned yet.

maybe the original accusator of the wow forums was full of shit?

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I'm not going to comment on prepared. I'm solely concerned with the aspect of throwing a PvP match. Even if the original accusation is bull (which it very well may be) the behavior is still not permissible. Some of us are having a hard time with that concept.

i think pretty much everyone agreed that afking in turrets or vehicles for the other side to win was not something to do, and that it has nothing to do with multi-boxing as any 'sister' guild could do it without boxing.
Just like sending fake warnings in trade or whatever.

Good to see everyone agrees on something.