This is an overview of the comp and the strengths it brings to your team. There's a few secrets in here on why this comp is so good that I haven't openly broadcasted before.
I hope it helps you narrow down your team or find one you enjoy.
Primary strengths of this team: Constant DPS even while moving, amazing utility and very defensive healing and strong damage stopping cooldowns in situations where mechanics were missed or getting overwhelmed.
In BFA Season 4 I've done up to a +15 Mythic for PvE, fully cleared both horrific visions on a 5 mask and successfully raided current content with it. It is very well rounded for any task.
Weaknesses: It is not suited for PvP at this time, due to /follow.
08-11-2020, 10:19 AM
Lyonheart
Thanks for this! I have been "wasting" a GCD on the pet heal! I'm sure that will improve my hunter DPS a lot. I am so used to my paly tank healing himself with HotP..but its better to save it for "oh shit, someones about to die!" moments! I have not played this comp a lot because i have not had any ambitions to do high mythic+ this expansion. It was more fun gearing up via weekly conquest rewards for me. Mostly due to being busy at work. But this will help dial them in a bit! I still need to set up the freezing trap in isboxer like you!
08-14-2020, 06:14 PM
daviddoran
Thank you for the bit on the pet heal. I checked my GSE macro that I got from wowlazymacros and found it was set to heal the pet, so I changed that to focus, as I already have the tank focused for misdirect.
I might have to look into that ISBoxer step macro, to make it more controlled as you have it, rather than relying on GSE to fire it off whenever it gets the chance.
08-24-2020, 12:24 AM
slapkey
I heard you say in a recent VOD that you switched from GSE to native ISBoxer for your DPS rotations. Could you show how you did that with you hunters? My current one just mashes a bunch of abilities and I'm sure I'm leaving a lot of DPS on the table.
08-28-2020, 10:23 AM
kate
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Originally Posted by slapkey
I heard you say in a recent VOD that you switched from GSE to native ISBoxer for your DPS rotations. Could you show how you did that with you hunters? My current one just mashes a bunch of abilities and I'm sure I'm leaving a lot of DPS on the table.
Ditto! Mine is functionally equivalent to having a popsicle stick taped to my number keys. I'd love to see what someone having more success is using.
08-28-2020, 10:27 AM
Ellay
I made a short video showing it that will be up tomorrow. Heres the link https://youtu.be/l0kOP56y0mU
but I'm extremely happy with Isboxer performance over GSE, as well as just using Isboxer for everything now instead of ingame macros for anything.
It seems to be a lot more fluid and I have no idea why but it's a good thing!
I've slowly moved everything over and I bet Mirai has a really good video on this already so mine will probably butcher the right method.
09-09-2020, 07:23 AM
nodoze
I really liked this. What changes do you think you will make for ShadowLands (if any)? I heard that BM Hunters were no longer the 'hard carry" in ShadowLands like they are in BFA but I was hoping 3 BM Hunters with Spirit Pets are still strong (especially for a boxer).
Assuming 3 BM Hunters with spirit pets are still viable which Tank and Healer combo do you think are best for these 3 DPS in ShadowLands?
I realize it is still early but was watching some vidoes on early rankings of best tanks and healers for shadowlands and it got me thinking about your team.
09-09-2020, 10:16 AM
Ellay
It's still really early, to tell but I would say all are viable options.
My goal is to level every tank/healer and then test them out for us. For myself Prot Paladin / Resto Shaman is my style and they are staying similar to what they are.
If you get a Resto druid working though (this is technically the strongest healer for our layout due to being able to heal while moving), your options for Tank really open up to your liking, which I would then pick something like a DK or Brewmaster. DK for that self carry potential and Brew because you literally spend 0 focus on it for being almost 100% optimized from their easy rotation.
09-09-2020, 11:29 AM
nodoze
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Originally Posted by Ellay
It's still really early, to tell but I would say all are viable options.
My goal is to level every tank/healer and then test them out for us. For myself Prot Paladin / Resto Shaman is my style and they are staying similar to what they are.
If you get a Resto druid working though (this is technically the strongest healer for our layout due to being able to heal while moving), your options for Tank really open up to your liking, which I would then pick something like a DK or Brewmaster. DK for that self carry potential and Brew because you literally spend 0 focus on it for being almost 100% optimized from their easy rotation.
That sounds consistent with what I was thinking after listening to the early rankings of both Tanks and Healers... I really look forward to hearing your thoughts from a multiboxer perspective after you try various.
In Vanilla i wasn't really boxing (just running 2 clients with no tools) but from BC->WoTLK I had every class capped and tried multiple different 5box and 10box teams and really liked Paladin Tank+4 Shaman though I also liked to solo with my Hunter from time to time.
Historically for non boxing mains in Raids I like to main Healer and sometimes tank so I tended to like Paladin mains (Paladin be non-boxing raid Healer and dual specs to tank in my 5box or 10box team). Being able to do multiple roles from a main that includes both Healing and at least off tanking also helped me gravitate to Druids in addition to Paladins. With the above in mind I generally prefer to main Hybrid classes and gravitate towards the ones that can do Tank, Healer, & DPS roles...
The above being said, seeing in the ranking videos that Paladin Healers now need to run in melee range attacking to be optimal I am thinking that doesn't fit my playstyle even when just playing 1 client and certainly not when multi-boxing... I was initially glad to hear that Paladin tanks were early ranked fairly high but then was a little discouraged to hear they are relatively kinda the "Glass Cannon" of tanks which also concerns from a mult-boxing perspective so I am thinking of not maining a Paladin if I go ShadowLands... When boxing I prefer my tank to be able to face tank as much as possible and be more on the survivable side than high DPS side.
After watching both ranking videos (and multiple others spotlighting various classes) I was thinking of maining a Druid healer for progression raiding (and 5box healing when not raiding) and maybe DeathKnight (Blood) would maybe be the best choice for me for a dedicated 5box tank without any other input (I do really like Shaman Chain Heals but was thinking Druid mobility and hots and AoE may be best for me plus druid opens up 4 roles for a main even if it doesn't perform great in all 4 roles). I agree that BrewMaster also sounded like a good option but I just can't yet conceptualize Monk Tanks as I stopped playing full time after WoTLK & a little Cata. I resubbed at least briefly for most of the expansions to try them but pretty much skipped monks and pandas in general... I never really mained a DeathKnight for tanking but did do all 3 DK specs back in the day and mainly played them for PVP (4DK+Paladin) until that got nerfed... I did like DemonHunters and a DH tank sounded good if running 3 ranged magic DPS but I really like the idea of the 3 BM hunters for me...
Anyways those were my initial thoughts. I really liked your video and thanks to you am thinking of doing 3BM Hunters+Tank+Healer for ShadowLands since I have my account subscriptions active for Classic Warcraft already...
For reference, in case it helps others, the videos I watched are (I don't know if these are the best):
Otherwise I also watched yumytv's more in depth review of each healer and some other random videos but those 3 were the main ones that stick out in my head as the most helpful...
Thanks again and please report back your thoughts on combos after doing some testing.
09-09-2020, 02:11 PM
Feint90
DK and monks are both good picks I think.
DK's always a strong pick because of the self healing and with the return of AMZ you have a good party wide magic defensive + he gives a battle rez (which is important to consider if you don't pick druid healer or run boomkins).
I do see Monk pulling ahead for a hunter trinity comp, especially if you run a druid healer (because of the brez). Because of the way monks stagger damage and the fact that you have 3 spirit beast heals (+ potentially druid resto affinity passive) that can consistently reduce the stagger on your tank (or burst if you combine them), you will have very consistent tank damage. Another bonus for the Monk is the 5% physical damage debuff he brings which if you run hunters, is a straight 5% damage increase for each hunter. I also see it as a bonus if you run a druid with a monk is that they share the same armor so you can easier trade gear between them and put the gear where it is most useful (within the boundaries of personal loot rules of course). Of course Monk is a slight gamble because he is currently broken and they might just nerfhammer him into the ground.
Personally like DH tanks but they have too many gaps in defensive to be stable (which if you run 1 character is fine, but not for multiboxing).
Paladins are strong picks with dps that exceeds some dps classes but they have a few changes that I dislike (like the nerf to their big heal).
Healer wise shaman becomes an extremely strong pick if you choose not to go the hunter route with the nerf to bloodlust scrolls. And since as a multiboxer you don't have people scattered too much you won't lose out on the weakness of shamans. This becomes especially true if you have secondary healing capabilities on your tank and DPS to offset potential weak single target healing.
Druids are a good pick and if you can get the HOTS rolling (which someone made a topic about on these forums not too long ago explaining how) then you are golden. Only questionable part here is mana usage (is that still a thing?)
I am really looking forward to Shadowlands. With all the changes going on I might step away from 5x Druid and go BrewM/Hunters/RDruid (I always main a Druid), but time will tell.
