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Well I thought i'd give five mages ago, for 3-4 levels I grinded the mongrels in westfall with insane spawns rates.
I tried deadmines at lvl 16 and it didn't go very well! So I thought I can continue questing or if anyone has any tips, for any level of my journey for which five mages would be suited? possibly an AOE spot etc?
I will keep trying instances...shame i have to run to them
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mage_area_of_effect_locations
Then ICC tables
Then there is a thread around here about fast spawning mobs in Cata in Deepholm.
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Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
Sam... tables are crap exp now. I understand you love them but they give 1/3 of their old exp... roughly 150 exp per mob when you kill them with a level 85 in group and 350 with all at level toons. Plus it is like... 20 mobs per min. You can get better from the fallen heroes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
Ive watched videos of 5 mages solo Dungeons in Hellfire. Definitely doable with frost mages... it seems.
that probey me :P i did try old dungons but intell you get Mirror Image your not going to get far with the remade dungons i did questing missing out on high pickup quest zones a lot are 100% drop now and the leveling roads makes it very fast till level 68Quote:
Originally Posted by Apps
I have infact ran the OLD dungons before they was buffed in cata and now its not woth the time. hellfire and a lot of BC is doable now with Mirror Image on bossess and oppes pull if you lose a char it does take it time to get them back as you got no res,
level 70+ i killed a few bossess in Uk and Nexes but agean there slow and long a lot off CC needed many wipes and the time you might as well spend on the pickup quests AV is allways good XP even off weekend just so if you miss a few pickup quests it get you the xp back
Frost is better for dungons as you can slow them down i speced dualspec fire at level 69 and just AOE quest hubs for the pickup quests and its going kinda fast arnace is good DPS at low levels as well that might bute though some bossess a lot faster then the other two specs.
just rember you got 5 CC use them :D
You leave the tables at level 80 and head over to cata.
I loved 5x mages.
I found for questing or just plain clearing out whole villages they smoke stuff, I'm sure they are great in PvP servers.
I found that in a dungeon you could sheep 4x and kill the 5th for many trash mobs however I just didn't think they were dungeon viable, once you had a boss fight going you couldn't really tank anything.
The tables are still crap in comparison to the other area i mentioned. Especially without mob tagging...and even with mob tagging it's NOT worth it there because the spawn to kill time is less than the amount of kills you can get elsewhere on mobs that give full experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker
In group of 4 w/ booster the mobs at the tables were giving 130 exp per between 75-80 (no boa, no guild exp bonus)
In group of 4 w/ booster the mobs in icecrown glacier were giving 388 exp (no boa, no guild exp bonus)
In group of 1 w/ booster the mobs at the tables gave slightly more than 130 per, it was around 280 or so.
In a group of 1 w/ booster the mobs in icecrown glacier were giving up to 800 exp.
On a SINGLE mage, the tables are better since you can actually kill the mobs there and fly away to re-coup as they respawn opposed to pulling unintended mobs. When killing in a group and AOEing them down the experience you gain is substantially lowered and the amount of EXP necessary is comparison to the time investment of questing is not so great.
Questing CAN suck, yes. But in most cases you are better off questing than mob grinding. If you are a group capable of grinding in icecrown then do it. But you need a lot of hit rating to make sure that your spells actually do damage to the mobs, and it is not recommended that you go there until you are level 75 at least.
AOE grinding can be a great means of EXP for a single frost mage, but as a group you are limited by respawns since you kill faster and get less exp. So unless you are using the tables (1 min respawns) or the incecrown glacier (5 min respawn, but TONS of groups of mobs) then it simply isn't as good as questing.
I tried AOE grinding from 82-84. It was inefficient in comparison to questing. Even with a 4x dk team that would nearly 1 shot the groups of mobs with zero downtime, the experience (non rested) was abysmally low. We're talking 4% per 10 mins or so which equates to roughly 25% an hour (no looting). Which questing is actually faster in all cases (especially 84-85), UNLESS you are a single toon mob tagging.
For a group of 5 mages you are going to need to basically run around and arcane explosion things, acting as normal for frost AOE grinding simply would be a waste of time in comparison, though you would still need things like ice barrier and reactive barrier. Hell it might be faster to rotate pet freezes on the groups of 7 mobs in icecrown glacier and just hit ice lance on all 5 toons at once per mob. Take 7 globals and kill them, and would be incredibly mana efficient and yield the highest amount of EXP per hour for grinding pre-cataclysm. With no real means of healing other than evocation (4 min cooldown as frost) you need to play it as safe as possible especially as when you are AOE grinding it is very seldom you have great gear unless you purchase it from the AH.
Efficient leveling is something I strive for. I mean when i level a single toon i will mob tag with my dks and a healer friend outside of group (will be doing this on one of my mages shortly), past level 80. Mob tagging before you have a good health pool just is not possible or efficient. Even with a geared out disc priest and all the + stam gear you can get mob tagging in icecrown is inefficient at best. When killing as a group it is more efficient, competitive with questing. Using other areas where mobs do not give exp, or have lessened exp/drops (table, freya) you are going to get substantially less exp/hour.
It might even be more efficient to use one of the quest "exploits" in icecrown by unlocking the flying quest near the caves off the shore and using the mount to kill mobs for exp (this may have been fixed) with your alts on follow with their 280% mounts.
The ONLY thing that the tables have over icecrown glacier is that you don't have to move... like at all. If AE didn't cost so much mana you could easily use a g15/lycosa (spell check) and just do something else, i mean you can still press your button and watch TV/Movie/Youtube on another monitor, but you would be doing it for a much longer time in comparison to actually paying attention elsewhere.
Maybe you are right, I don't know anymore. Havn't been there for awhile.
Im going to take my level one's over to cata anyways, just need to pay like 3000g for a warlock port for my 2 warlocks and another one of my guys to deepholm, as my highest is still 80. Then Ill set up 6 groups of 5 toons each with at least one level 80 mage in each group. No matter what some group will tag and its a win for me.
Thats my big advantage as a 31 boxer, my mana usage is spread over more characters. I have 8 mages (spec arcane for now) and I can hold the spot forever.Quote:
The ONLY thing that the tables have over icecrown glacier is that you don't have to move... like at all. If AE didn't cost so much mana