I'm curious what ISBoxer/Inner Space can do that HKN & Keyclone can't. I don't doubt there is something, but I'm genuinely curious. So far I've found HKN has been able to do everything, and more, than the other programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Svpernova09
I've never used HKN, so I only know what I've seen discussed here but the big perks of IS/ISBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Owltoid
Instant pip swapping.
Simple keymapping via a GUI tool (ISBoxer).
Virtualize configuration files that allows you to run ONE WoW install and retain settings for each instance (toon).
Native support for G keyboards (and lights to indicate status)
Easy Mouse broadcasting / Stupid easy casting of AoE target spells (Blizzard, Hurricane, Death and Decay, etc)
40 second wizard to get up and running with FTL.
Easily flexible window layouts.
Clickboxer http://www.lavishsoft.com/wiki/index.php/ClickBoxer
PiP Swap speed demo scroll to 2:06
Ah, I see what happened to my post now :)
HKN is like a programming language, it's a very powerful tool and once learned a very easy one to manage... but it's a scripting tool none the less. With HKN you can accomplish anything you can imagine for boxing, I haven't heard of anyone saying you can't do something with HKN.
I've never setup PIP with HKN, but I have done mouse broadcasting. Mouse broadcasts with HKN were reasonably useful, but I found that they wouldn't always work - at times I would see dropped clicks, missed actions, etc. Overall I'd give it a 90% accuracy on the mouse broadcast which was amazing compared to the other tools I'd used before Innerspace.
Keyclone is of course out of the box, easy to configure, and easy to setup. I found the PIP speed to be disappointing but didn't know any better way. Mouse broadcasting was useful for NPC dialogs, anything that had 3-5 seconds to deal with it... it wasn't viable for combat and wasn't viable for doing things fast. If I was patient it worked, but overall left me wanting.
Innerspace has the fastest PIP swaps I've seen to date, I haven't heard anyone ever challenge that either, the .5ms swaps just can't be beat. With mouse broadcasting being 100% accurate and 100% instant as well. No waiting for the mouse to broadcast around, no waiting for anything.
Setting up Innerspace used to be challenging, now it's really a lot easier than KeyClone.
I've been meaning to test and document this by setting up a "virgin" wow account, no addon's, no macro's, nothing. I believe I could drop Jamba into a virgin wow folders addons directory, run the wizard in InnerSpace and setup a 5 box team and be playing in under 1 minute.
No macro's to be setup by hand.
FTL Configured.
PIP Configured.
Follow Configured.
A battle ready 5 box in 1 minute from installing 3 pieces of software besides WoW.... (Jamba, Innerspace, and ISBoxer.)
Sounds interesting! I'm wary to give up the scripting power of HKN as there's just so much possibility, especially with virtual buttons. As far as PiP, I may be reaching the 0.5 second swap (I use one large on left with four slaves lined vertically on right) on my new computer, but on the old one it would be a couple second swap. I wonder what is making IS so much faster (not like I know anything about any of this stuff).
I'm glad that the multiboxing community has a few very solid choices!
Yeah, convinced me to give it a try. I don't really need to go to work today do I? :)
I'm no expert on the exact PiP mechanics but I think the general concept is that most PiP solutions do their thing by telling each of the WoW clients to change their size and position and then letting them each handle it on their own. But IS lets all the WoW clients run and render like they are each full screen all the time and takes care of doing the window scaling and position as needed and it's very good at it, since it's not also busy trying to be a monster game engine at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owltoid
Windows could be used to write a botting program, if you so desired, so I hardly think that's a valid argument. Innerspace, is just a scripting platform (think making games in Excels VBscript) it's up to you to decide which scripts you use with it.
ISBoxer was designed to stay in the legal realm with WoW and several other games for that matter.
The PiP is incredibly fast because it it renders the the alts as though they are full screen all the time, it's a constant hit to the RAM and processor, whereas most software gives you more to the main and does PiP resizing requirements on demand. If you have a slow computer with 5 WoWs running on it, all of them will be equally slow. With similar hardware setups and plenty of free memory HKN can accomplish PiP swaps very quickly as well. I believe keyclone takes it's time during swapping because it is dedicating your resources to the main, and the alts are run at a bare minimum. This gives you the benefit of requiring a bit less in the resources department, at the cost of switching speed.
ISBoxer/Innerspace has a really nifty feature that the others don't and that is cursor broacasting. I don't mean click broadcast but it actually shows the mouse cursor on each screen. It also has an amazingly fast out of the box setup time. With HKN you can copy and paste a script, write some macros and be good to go in about an hour, but with ISBoxer you can have it handle the macro generation natively. The one flaw I see in that process is if blizz changes something with macros in a future patch (think1.11) you may have to wait a while before ISBoxer is updated and usuable again.
Regarding PiP swapping, can you say if it's as fast in laggy or graphic intensive areas such as Dalaran?
With my HKN setup, PiP swapping is very fast (like that video) pretty much anywhere non-wotlk, but come to wotlk zones it takes a few seconds, and in dalaran can take up to 10-15 seconds.
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ISBoxer/Innerspace has a really nifty feature that the others don't and that is cursor broacasting. I don't mean click broadcast but it actually shows the mouse cursor on each screen.
I got into a bad habit recently of constantly changing my UI...to the point I couldn't remember the keybindings so devolved into a "click caster". I'm slowly retraining myself, but this allows for my lapses into clicking on stuff.
It does take a wee bit longer to get setup than keyclone did, but from my limited experience so far it is very powerful. That being said....keyclone is still great. In fact the only reason I decided to try innerspace/ISboxer was because I wanted something that would allow my both warlocks to cast rain of fire at same time onto the same location.