DK - super useless tank

I have been running heroics a lot lately.. sometimes with DKs.. and.. running with a DK is a study in fail.
Not only do they get 2-shotted by meelee bosses within milliseconds - their pulling techiques with death grip messes up a lot of group mechanics. I find myself pulling aggro quite often.


Just now I ran heroic Drak with a 27k hp DK, uncrittable.. 3-4 wipes.. it's pretty hopeless.
And.. to put this in contrast.. I've successfully run this with 21k hp paladins in blues, EASY.



IMO it seems like DK needs a dmg nerf and a tanking buff.. cause at the moment, they are so bad.

Not so sure why they are doing so bad. My DK is sitting at 65 and starting to get used to tanking with him. My shammys are at 70 and they haven't pulled aggro off of him. Death and Decay with a simple dps macro and things have been going really well. I've been leveling unholy and swinging a 2hander. If the DK's you running with are DW, then like Fur says, they do have a tendency to miss a lot.....

It's all a matter of gear and spec. You don't take an arms warrior with dps gear to heroics to tank for you.

And the Dual wielding parry bomb is a myth. Many high quality raiding guilds use dual wielding DK tanks.

It's not so much a matter of gear, as a matter of people having easy access to a high level DK, which they can then attempt to tank with while having no clue how tanking or even necessarily melee works. Therefore they tend to suck at tanking.

The class still needs work (irregular mitigation for a big one), but a good player can tank with one just fine.

Yeah they usually dual wield.. however.. the biggest problem is that they seem to love death grip.. so they pull a mob right into the group, which makes me generate a lot more threat because I'm close..

Not to mention all the times I've had to heal like a madman because they deathgripped an AOE mob into the group, or AOE silencing mobs.. etc.. meh!

Run with better DKs imo. Theres 3 really good DK tanks on Madoran and they're all using 2H and unholy. Remember just like any other tank they have to get defense capped. Don't say a class is useless when you're running with craptastic people playing those classes.

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Originally Posted by 'magwo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158177#post15 8177

I have been running heroics a lot lately.. sometimes with DKs.. and.. running with a DK is a study in fail.
Not only do they get 2-shotted by meelee bosses within milliseconds - their pulling techiques with death grip messes up a lot of group mechanics. I find myself pulling aggro quite often.


Just now I ran heroic Drak with a 27k hp DK, uncrittable.. 3-4 wipes.. it's pretty hopeless.
And.. to put this in contrast.. I've successfully run this with 21k hp paladins in blues, EASY.



IMO it seems like DK needs a dmg nerf and a tanking buff.. cause at the moment, they are so bad.

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Its not the class its the players...

The massive influx of dk's due to them being a new class has of course flooded the gates with the majority of them not being any good at anything other then mashing their different rune dump abilities.

For instance I had a dk tell me on my resto shaman I was a bad healer in UK due to going OOM all the time keeping him alive.... and no matter what I said to him about tanking in blood presence it was still all my fault he was getting his so hard by everything.

Then this afternoon I did nexus with a same level frost dk using frost presence to tank is (any spec should use frost presence to tank in... if they don't kick em from the group) and we had zero trouble at all ( and his gear wasent anything to write home about either but he at least knew how to play the role) only time I ever went oom in nexus today was when people didnt kill the portals fast enuf and we got overwhelmed by adds spamming us with arcane damage :P

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Originally Posted by 'algol',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158188#post15 8188

It's not so much a matter of gear, as a matter of people having easy access to a high level DK, which they can then attempt to tank with while having no clue how tanking or even necessarily melee works. Therefore they tend to suck at tanking.

The class still needs work (irregular mitigation for a big one), but a good player can tank with one just fine.

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If you're not gearing for tanking, then people will make posts like this thread about you. The right gear is pretty much a priority.

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Originally Posted by 'Svpernova09',index.php?page=Thread&postID=158197# post158197

Run with better DKs imo. Theres 3 really good DK tanks on Madoran and they're all using 2H and unholy. Remember just like any other tank they have to get defense capped. Don't say a class is useless when you're running with craptastic people playing those classes.

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That's been my understanding of the situation thus far. Supposedly, the modifications coming in 3.0.8 should help with this, but I'm still nervous about the Def. capping problem.

You also have to remember that most level 80 dks are, in theory, level 25. They're new to the class, and have only played 25 levels, so there's still a lot of learning to do. I'm starting to really get the hang of using my DK for a tank for my 4 shaman. You possibly just haven't grouped with people that understand tanking. When I single boxed, one of my mains was a feral druid tank, so I guess I already had the basic gist down of tanking.