At what point are you rerolling your resto shaman?

[Havelcek]

Just curious for those running the pally + 4 or shamanx5 teams...at what point did you respec one of your guys to be resto?

[The_Whack]

I'm curious too. I just hit lvl 57 and still havnt respeced one shaman to restro.

[Dorffo]

haven't yet (pal+4sham) - heroics haven't been an issue aside from the standard movement fights that can be problematic.

[Anozireth]

I managed to clear ramparts at 61 or 62 with my group with all the shamans as elemental, but BF wasn't going to happen due to mana issues on the trash waves before the second boss. So that's where I did it.

[Vyndree]

Just curious for those running the pally + 4 or shamanx5 teams...at what point did you respec one of your guys to be resto?

70.

I'm serious -- I already had a 70 resto shaman, and not only grinded quests but also INSTANCES with my pally+4 ele shammies all the way up to 70.

http://www.vboxing.net/v/index.php?q=node/48

1-10 Lowbie quests.
10-25 I used a 70 druid to run me thru instances on my 4 shammies to 25. (VC/Stocks)
25-40 I instanced with the Warrior (BFD/SM) and did a few quests when I was bored
40-45 I did SM with the paladin and hand-leveled each shaman when I was bored for about 1 level.
<--- 2.3 Patch. Long break happened here where I didn't play my shammies.
45+ Quests.
60-67 Quests. I do each instance only once or twice in order to complete the instance quests. I did all the quests in Hellfire, Zangarmarsh, Terokkar, Nagrand.
67-68? Kurenai Rep grind. Killed ogres in Nagrand. Fun stuff. :roll:
68-69 Caverns of Time: Durnholde
69-70 (almost there) Sethekk Halls

That was how I leveled, 1 pally + 4 shammies. Videos of instances are at http://www.vboxing.net/v/index.php?q=blog/3

[Stabface]

I rerolled one to Resto at 70 when starting Heroics. I boosted/quested all the way to 70 on my 4 Shaman with my Paladin who was already L70 with a T4 level prot gear set. I didn't have any issues doing all the instances on normal with 4x Elemental tossing the occasional heal my way. But this was before MgT was released so I can imagine that one would be a bit difficult to complete without a resto spec healer.

[Havelcek]

Thanks everyone.

[cepheus]

I dont do very much instances, because I find it very boring, so excuse me if this question is very dumb :)

Is a resto shammy really neccessary? So far I've only I've only cleared SP and Botanica heroic with 5x elemental shammys, but i cant really see the use for a resto shaman. WIth the insane dps you have, mana wont be a problem anyway.

[Schwarz]

Haven't rerolled one resto yet. I can do heroic mana tombs/slave pens/under bog/ramparts with no problems. I have been meaning to give botanica a shot. It took me a while to stop dpsing on my main and healing my earth ele's. I run out of mana pretty quick but usually I can get the bosses down fast enough.

[-silencer-]

Almost done with lvl 66 and haven't even felt close to needing a resto shammy with a 1x/4x pal/sham setup. I've run Ramps, BF, SP, UB, and MT now without too much trouble. I've been preparaing for the eventual need for resto by handing more +healing gear to one of my shammies, but they're all still geared and spec'd for elemental dps.

The only really challenging fight I've had was Black Stalker at the end of Underbog.. until I realized I wasn't using a nature resist totem. Doh!

[Pent]

With 4 or 5 totem of wrath you'll realize you don't really need to spec resto as your "elemental-spec-heals" on one of your guys will be enough with so much crit. It does help to off-gear them with healing gear though, but you should never need to spec resto. The extra DPS helps during the initial pulls in bosses and trash.

[Havelcek]

Thanks everyone, great feedback.

[DLoweinc]

bumping because i was going to ask this question and searched first. to the top so others don't ask it :)

[Hachoo]

For 5 shamans I don't think it really helps at all to spec resto on any of them. Honestly with 5 shamans its easier to let EEs tank and just use random shamans to heal them or try to outdps something before you need healing.

MAYBE in heroics it would become useful but until you start doing heroics theres absolutely no need to spec resto on a shaman.

[elo]

Yeah if you're going to go ZOMG DPS you have to go ZOMG! DPS. When you introduce a tank you then obligate yourself to a traditional playstyle and need to pull in the resto. Can you do without? Sure, but it's decidedly more difficult. I was early 60's when I made the switch and my instance stress level dropped considerably on bosses. And for clearing trash the resto can do noticeable dmg to help move through quickly.

Although I speak in statements the reality is these are my opinions.

[Hachoo]

1) Pick a Shaman that will eventually become Resto.
2) Give all "healing" gear to this character, so you can stockpile it (use outfitter to build gear sets IMO).

When you find that you need more heals, put the "quasi-resto" Shaman in healing gear and try again. If that doesn't work, go respec.And on this note - this speaks volumes of how awesome the "spellpower buff" will be in 3.0.2. Theoretically now we wont really have to have 2 sets - every shaman will already have more +healing than we have right now because our existing spellpower will also give something like 50% more healing - this will make chain heal x5 GODLY and having 1 shaman on heal duty during a boss fight will be super easy.

[Schwarz]

The problem I have right now is not how much I heal for but how fast I run out of mana. So simplicity sake I just spam down ranked lesser healing waves. Needless to say I am OOM after 30-40 seconds.

[Kissell13]

Im wondering if this is necessary as well. I run 1 pally/4shammy group and have recently hit 70. Ive run a bunch of the instances already and have had very little trouble. I imagine heroics may be a different story thought I havent tried any yet. I never pull agro from my pally and have a key for all 4 alts to lesser healing wave the pally. I just stop dps and heal when necessary. 1 heal will almost fill the pally completly nearly every time no matter how low his health is.

[Niley]

Its not needed at all, i have done every heroic out there, without a resto shaman.
In fact, I believe that loss of elemental would make them harder, I'm geared to the point now that I can usually kill a boss with zero to maybe 1 heals on me(of course not all bosses, but some).
My girls had been same spec for months now :)

[Niley]

Its not needed at all, i have done every heroic out there, without a resto shaman.
In fact, I believe that loss of elemental would make them harder, I'm geared to the point now that I can usually kill a boss with zero to maybe 1 heals on me(of course not all bosses, but some).
My girls had been same spec for months now :)

/sigh

Your tank is in heavy raid gear. You are severely outgearing Heroics. Your group formula is not going to work for most people here. Please don't misslead other was these kinds of posts.

Except i dinged 70 on 3 shamans and pally 4 weeks ago, and started doing heroic with pally having 11.7k hp and 487 defense, shamans had less then 400 spl damage. Started with sp/bot/mana tombs/ub, and did them just fine, i also opted in for every kara my guild did, and some pug gruul/mag, getting badges and gearing them up.
I was getting on average 12 badges a day, while my pally is raid geared right now, in my guild to run alt bt/hyjal you need gear, without at least all badge gear You wont be accepted into the run.

[Schwarz]

Its not needed at all, i have done every heroic out there, without a resto shaman.
In fact, I believe that loss of elemental would make them harder, I'm geared to the point now that I can usually kill a boss with zero to maybe 1 heals on me(of course not all bosses, but some).
My girls had been same spec for months now :)

/sigh

Your tank is in heavy raid gear. You are severely outgearing Heroics. Your group formula is not going to work for most people here. Please don't misslead other was these kinds of posts.





Except i dinged 70 on 3 shamans and pally 4 weeks ago, and started doing heroic with pally having 11.7k hp and 487 defense, shamans had less then 400 spl damage. Started with sp/bot/mana tombs/ub, and did them just fine, i also opted in for every kara my guild did, and some pug gruul/mag, getting badges and gearing them up.
I was getting on average 12 badges a day, while my pally is raid geared right now, in my guild to run alt bt/hyjal you need gear, without at least all badge gear You wont be accepted into the run.

Being able to do them and "I can usually kill a boss with zero to maybe 1 heals on me(of course not all bosses, but some)" are two completely different things. Your initial post was misleading and not relevant to the subject and I am raising the bullshit flag.

I raise a prick flag. So Fur 4 shaman and 1 paladin isn't a good group formula?

I would also like to say that you "can usually kill bosses with zero heals" with 5 elemental shamen. Not every boss is going to be like this. When I am having problems with bosses I generally think well how can I raise my dps not cut it by 1/5th by having a toon heal.

[Niley]

mis-leading? Initial question was " Just curious for those running the pally + 4 or shamanx5 teams...at what point did you respec one of your guys to be resto? "
My answer was - never. You can raise as many bullshit flags as You want.

Edit. Actually my tactics in heroics is very similar now, burn the boss before it kills my pally, i pop everything at the start and burn, sometimes i have to get one heal out, sometimes i don't, there is few bosses that are exception(1 boss in mt, or 2nd boss in mgt for example). trash pulls usually look like this: Avenger Shield + shamans burn 1 target while hes coming to me, then i tank w/e left, and burn, by 2nd consecration i can do cl without pulling, but usually everything is dead by that time, again 0-1 heals. Everyone gets gear at one point and first poster did not specify what gear he has. These are the days of easy epics, its not hard to get geared, pally in full badge+shamans in full badge can easily do that.

[aNiMaL]

I haven't respecced any of my shammies to resto,
it works fine as it is now imo.

Sure I have some deaths on heroic trash,
that's mainly because either:
-I'm to lazy to start kiting... eehr.. trying to take it like a man
-I messed up a global cooldown and my stoneclaw fail to drop in between casts
-my cat wants attention and starts blocking my view/keys

Synchronised lesser healing waves work well enough for me,
there's never the problem that your healer got feared out of los, or is oom.

[Kaynin]

I've never had any of my shamans resto and it works fine. :P

[Kyudo]

I respecced for my 1st few heroics runs, but actually found it tougher due to the loss in DPS. Now I just keep the shammies elemental, and switch the "healer" one to heal gear for particular bosses that hit hard.