5 X Warlocks and ass kicked in WSG

[blast3r]

Holy crap how demoralizing yesterday was! I took my level 18 locks into WSG and it was total pwnage in a bad way. i don't even think I was able to get a full set of DoTs off. After the third wipe straight I just /quit. Not sure I will be taking my locks to BG for a while. OUCH! I'm sure it was partially do to mainly having crappy trash armor but locks are just soft and gooey anyways.

Just thought I would share my pain with the group. /cry

[Drizzit]

there are a ton of people that over gear there toons in that lvl range. I hear rogue are killer

[ElectronDF]

Could you do a fear rotation to try to get people off you? Like:
(alt 2/4) /castsequence [target=focus-target] reset=10 Fear, , , , , , ,
(alt 3) /castsequence [target=focus-target] reset=10 , Fear, , , , , ,
(alt 5) /castsequence [target=focus-target] reset=10 , , Fear, , , , , ,
(main) /castsequence reset=10 , , , Fear, , , , , , , , ,

The first one is cast by 2 people incase one fails (main idea is to get someone off you now, no matter what). Main goes last, since has probably got a rogue stunlocking him. Sure is fear immune after about 3 casts, and last one lasts for like 1-2 sec, but you can cast DOTs in between fears to get DPS on him.

Not sure what you can do about being AOE feared, just use distance to minimize it. Throw pets at 50+ yards and let them eat at the people so you don't even have to get close to them. If they try to attack your pets, get 30 yards, put on 2 DOTs and then 20 yards, heal pet, fear and hope for the best.

What exactly (other than they destroyed you), did they do? Can you fight with your main dead? Does soulstoning your main (5 stones) help at all? Do you use healthstones and potions (can they be used together?)? What bothered you the most, other than people twinking?

[blast3r]

Could you do a fear rotation to try to get people off you? Like:
(alt 2/4) /castsequence [target=focus-target] reset=10 Fear, , , , , , ,
(alt 3) /castsequence [target=focus-target] reset=10 , Fear, , , , , ,
(alt 5) /castsequence [target=focus-target] reset=10 , , Fear, , , , , ,
(main) /castsequence reset=10 , , , Fear, , , , , , , , ,

The first one is cast by 2 people incase one fails (main idea is to get someone off you now, no matter what). Main goes last, since has probably got a rogue stunlocking him. Sure is fear immune after about 3 casts, and last one lasts for like 1-2 sec, but you can cast DOTs in between fears to get DPS on him.

Not sure what you can do about being AOE feared, just use distance to minimize it. Throw pets at 50+ yards and let them eat at the people so you don't even have to get close to them. If they try to attack your pets, get 30 yards, put on 2 DOTs and then 20 yards, heal pet, fear and hope for the best.

What exactly (other than they destroyed you), did they do? Can you fight with your main dead? Does soulstoning your main (5 stones) help at all? Do you use healthstones and potions (can they be used together?)? What bothered you the most, other than people twinking?

It was mainly them being grouped and just overwhelming me. I can switch mains but they were dying so fast it didn't really matter. Think maybe I will instance grind to 29 and give it another shot. At least then I will have some decent gear. I do have a round-robin fear but am going to consider yours. Seems like a great idea! Thanks for that!

[Apollo127]

Yea, that range of pvp is horrible. Everyone twinks and its not fun at all, when I'm solo I always skip that area, and I did the same with my boxes.

[Mendicant]

So others have said, don't expect to do well at all in the 19 or 29 bracket. They will be filled with twinks. Even the 39 bracket will have plenty. The twinks will have about 5-10x your health and do double your damage. Not really good.

Personally, after I played 1 game at 19, I just waited til I was in the 50s bracket to try again. The higher the bracket the fewer the twinks.

[Lyonheart]

I went in there when my shamaies were 19. I charged down our GY and headed straight for the center! I saw 4+ horde coming out their tunnel. I put down totems in front of me and backed up a tad. When the first target was in ranged i opened up with a volley of LBs, all bolts hitting him for a total of 25% of his health, he resisted a few of the next round and was at 50ish% health. He seemed to be laughing as his team caught up to mine and took me out and a flurry of blades and spells. I /afked and never went back until 70 8)

Don't feel bad. Someday twink yourself out some 19s and go back and PWN face. To kill twinks you must become like them...TWINK!

[lille]

Warlocks in the 10-19 WSG are fun :) especially if you're a twinked rogue :P i had a semi-twinked rogue @ 19 for a while, i was oneshotting any leather/cloth class below level 16 :D

[JoeWunsch]

Holy crap how demoralizing yesterday was! I took my level 18 locks into WSG and it was total pwnage in a bad way. i don't even think I was able to get a full set of DoTs off. After the third wipe straight I just /quit. Not sure I will be taking my locks to BG for a while. OUCH! I'm sure it was partially do to mainly having crappy trash armor but locks are just soft and gooey anyways.

Just thought I would share my pain with the group. /cryLvl 19 BG is not really a good way to test out the pvp.

You were most likely not even in full greens, missing rings, no trinkets, necklaces, etc.

Everyone else is fully twinked, enchanted gear.

Literally 1 rogue can kill all 5 of your locks, no problem if he is twinked to the max.


My advice is to have fun world pvping until 39, then go try that out in the BG's. I think you should see a much different result.

[glo]

I skipped all BGs until 70. You aren't going to get much honor out of it at lower levels and getting owned by twinks probably isn't all that fun so really no point. At 70 it's much harder to run across a character that can take out your whole boxing squad ;)

[Chibi]

don't pvp till 30+ imo, before that you'll be swarmed by twinks, did one wsg at 32 and my first Ab at 34, won my wsg, lost the AB .. twink warriors does my head in >_<
decided not to bother with pvp again till outlands as then you get gear that's good, and there isn't something like twinks anymore

[Littleburst]

Did some WSG at lvl 19. stopped after a few BGs, same with lvl 29. A twinked hunter kills you in seconds.

Lvl 39 however was fun. I had all the usefull SM items. head,neck,shoulder,chest, shield, dagger. And owned quite hard :) but a friend offered an ST boost, so dinged after i did a few BG's. So imo from lvl 39 and up BG's are fun, if you got some decent gear for survivability

[Naylix]

they all speak the truth.

You can go back @ lvl 19 bg and kick ass though .. .just spend roughly 1200-1500g on enchants for your chars... EACH ...

Cause that is what you are up against.

I hate twinking, for one reason: I cba to do the same, I think it's a waste of time and money running around as lvl 19 killing other lvl 19's with the 5-6 skills you have available. I want MORE buttons, and options, and stuff to do.

Most likely one of the reason us boxers are so hated - people cba to do the same. They think it's a waste of money and time...



But we know better ;)

[Malekyth]

Agreed with everyone! I had much the same experience with my shammies. I wasn't too surprised, having faced rogue twinks before, but was a bit annoyed that even the hive mind that is a multi-boxed team couldn't put a dent in the dedicated twinks. I don't intend to go back 'til 70, tbh.

[Zub]

Lvl 19 BGs are not funny if you're just 'normaly' geared from quests, it's full of twinks in there.
My lvl 19 twink warlock typically has over 2K health, when my current level 30 shamies have about 1.1K from quest items and such.

You probably went in WSG with about 4-500 hp, which for rogues in there is about 3-4 hits.
Keep moving and enjoy later BGs :-)

[Freakinred]

I'm leveling a quad-box group of warlocks. The 10-19 bracket was quite painful. I did a lot better in the 20-29 bracket.

If you're going to use dots, just dot, tab, dot, tab over and over again until they take you down. Keep mobile and you'll take a few with you... but you won't win.

Destro is a fairly terribad warlock tree, so people say, but I'm spec'd into it up to Ruin and have found it extremely useful because I shadowbolt everything. 4 X shadowbolts with increased crit damage will take a lot of things down like they're made out of paper.

I've spent a lot of time in the 40-49 bracket recently. With a round-robin set-up for my deathcoil I'm usually pretty good at taking down several people headed straight for me. Although I hate when the odd priest sneaks up on me and scatters my characters.

My biggest problem was patience. I hate letting people come to me... but you're guaranteed to do worse if you charge people. I usually set my toons up in a "1 up front, 3 in back" formation with my main in the middle/back. Then I just rotate my toons and fire off shadowbolts til the cows come home. The key is to have them far enough apart that a fear bomb doesn't destroy everything. This method works extremely well in AB. Between Howl of Terror, Fear, Deathcoil and seduction, I've even managed to take down groups larger than my own on a few occasions. Not without my own losses, mind you.

But anyway, regarding spec... I'm very happy with my destroy/demo combination. I don't even have improved Corruption and I haven't missed it one bit. It's always seemed to me that with a multiboxed lock group, by the time your dots kill stuff, you're probably dead too.

[Freakinred]

Oh... and regarding the 10-19 bracket. Once I get this group to 70, I'm going to twink out the level 16 hunter group I have. I think twinked level 19 hunters should be fairly game-breaking, hahaha.

[DemonWithin]

yea at lev 19 it doesnt matter what class u got unless they're twinked and boxing in 19 bg's is just do much harder cos u have to worry about ur slaves getting hit and every enemy is either a rogue or a dam hunter XD but personally i enjoyed BG's at lev 19 with my 3 shammys, they all targeted me first and i enjoyed the attention =P

[heyaz]

I tried the same thing with my group hen they were 19. It's a waste of time, that bracket.. either you play a rogue or hunter and put 1000g into them or don't even queue. Same goes for 29 and 39, and probably 49. Twinking basically mode the low level brackets a pointless waste of time.

[Vyndree]

Even at 60, you're a clothy and pretty squishy. The moment you start drain life'ing you draw a giant bunch of lazerbeams at your position.

Your job is to hide behind a tree and throw DoTs, knowing that if and when you die (since you have no healer) you'll take your enemies down with you once the dots reach their duration. ;) You pretty much have to play uber defensively, throwing fears and such when people notice you, while you run for safety.

SL/SL should help at 70 to negate the squishy'ness, and throwing SoC's is the reason why I rolled my locks. :) All the fun stuff is at 70.

[heyaz]

Even at 60, you're a clothy and pretty squishy. The moment you start drain life'ing you draw a giant bunch of lazerbeams at your position.

Your job is to hide behind a tree and throw DoTs, knowing that if and when you die (since you have no healer) you'll take your enemies down with you once the dots reach their duration. ;) You pretty much have to play uber defensively, throwing fears and such when people notice you, while you run for safety.

SL/SL should help at 70 to negate the squishy'ness, and throwing SoC's is the reason why I rolled my locks. :) All the fun stuff is at 70.Only problem with Sl/SL (my main's spec) is you hit like a bitch. I have to re-apply dots 3 times to kill geared 70s, and he's in season 3. If I had 5 warlocks I'd lean more toward speccing them all affliction. Drive by dot and kite.

The other HUGE problem with SL/SL is easily dispellable dots. You only have 3 instacast dots to deal with, and paladins and priests dispell them with ease. Going UA not only discourages dispelling the dots, but the talent (forget what its called) makes them hard to dispell also. That, and instant howl of terror.

Put your death coils and howls of terror on round robin as well, for tons of CC.

[blast3r]

Even at 60, you're a clothy and pretty squishy. The moment you start drain life'ing you draw a giant bunch of lazerbeams at your position.

Your job is to hide behind a tree and throw DoTs, knowing that if and when you die (since you have no healer) you'll take your enemies down with you once the dots reach their duration. ;) You pretty much have to play uber defensively, throwing fears and such when people notice you, while you run for safety.

SL/SL should help at 70 to negate the squishy'ness, and throwing SoC's is the reason why I rolled my locks. :) All the fun stuff is at 70.Only problem with Sl/SL (my main's spec) is you hit like a bitch. I have to re-apply dots 3 times to kill geared 70s, and he's in season 3. If I had 5 warlocks I'd lean more toward speccing them all affliction. Drive by dot and kite.

The other HUGE problem with SL/SL is easily dispellable dots. You only have 3 instacast dots to deal with, and paladins and priests dispell them with ease. Going UA not only discourages dispelling the dots, but the talent (forget what its called) makes them hard to dispell also. That, and instant howl of terror.

Put your death coils and howls of terror on round robin as well, for tons of CC.

but the priest would have to dispell 15 dots. I imagine he would be hurtin' for certain by that time. :)

I retired from Archimonde so my locks are sleeping now. However, I am on Mag now with a team of shammies X 5. Think I will wait until level 39 to go in there. I should be somewhat twinked and I won't have a huge goal of hitting 40 as much as 20 (ghost wolf and new totem) and 30 (mount). Who knows. Or I may be playing a team of druids..hehe..been thinking about that a lot lately.

[Vyndree]

The other HUGE problem with SL/SL is easily dispellable dots. You only have 3 instacast dots to deal with, and paladins and priests dispell them with ease. Going UA not only discourages dispelling the dots, but the talent (forget what its called) makes them hard to dispell also. That, and instant howl of terror.

I started out my locks as 1 demo / 4 aff, and in PvP (where I am less likely to be sending pets at people and more likely to hide behind a tree) I found the aff locks, thanks to siphon life spam, lasted longer.

That being said, there's almost never a time where I've had to really use UA. Normally by the time 1 or 2 sets of 5 dots lands on someone, they GTFO or try to suicide bomb me. The only people who last through the dots are mages (who iceblock) and pallies (who bubble) -- in which case UA is just as ineffective.

At 60, I respecced to 3 heavy demo, 1 SL/SL (almost -- she's got the soul link but not siphon yet... 1 more level), and 1 full aff. It's absolutely terrible when I went into AV (and ironically ran into another boxer -- for the life of me I forgot their names but they're on the forums and from Norgannon). Felguards in enemy lines just get pewpew'ed down and you waste more time resummoning/reapply'ing soul link than anything else. It's also very hard to lifetap for mana without a dedicated healer and with drain life being so noticable (and so ineffective... I kill things before the drain is complete, wasting MORE mana). I also ran into a bunch of AoE-happy mages and a SHADOWFURY lock (I hate shadowfury) -- who went after me and the other boxer with a vengeance.

I suppose keeping one as aff (for UA) and the rest as SL/SL might be the most effective BG combo -- UA to prevent hasty dispellers, and a bunch of siphon lifes to allow you to lifetap at will. Granted, they might not push the dps 1v1, but focus fired dots (and SoC at 70) should make up for that.

BTW: Macro your felpuppies to dispell you. It's a great anti-fear. :)

[tigger2577]

(and ironically ran into another boxer -- for the life of me I forgot their names but they're on the forums and from Norgannon).


horde or alliance?? what classes I might be able to help you hunt them down. :P

[Vyndree]

(and ironically ran into another boxer -- for the life of me I forgot their names but they're on the forums and from Norgannon).


horde or alliance?? what classes I might be able to help you hunt them down. :P

Pally/4 Shammies, alliance, from Norgannon...

They pst'ed me with their forum name but thanks to my horrible memory I can't recall what it was... It was after the hogger raid, I had finished getting my warlock epic mount quest done and wanted to try out some AV with my superfast horseys. I ended up getting into their AV, which had already started, and just played D the whole time.

[tigger2577]

(and ironically ran into another boxer -- for the life of me I forgot their names but they're on the forums and from Norgannon).


horde or alliance?? what classes I might be able to help you hunt them down. :P

Pally/4 Shammies, alliance, from Norgannon...

They pst'ed me with their forum name but thanks to my horrible memory I can't recall what it was... It was after the hogger raid, I had finished getting my warlock epic mount quest done and wanted to try out some AV with my superfast horseys. I ended up getting into their AV, which had already started, and just played D the whole time.


that would most likely be Azerial, he also has a lvl 70 horde team on norgannon

[Vyndree]

I probably should've also mentioned that they were in the 50-60 AV bracket. ;)

[tigger2577]

I probably should've also mentioned that they were in the 50-60 AV bracket. ;)

well then it is not azerial he is already 70 on his alli side

if is was that bracket then it must be Sarduci

[Tonuss]

I would just give the BGs a try anytime you get into the x8/x9 level ranges and see how it is. Yeah, there are lots of twinks in the lower brackets and if you're not twinked up as well you will be lunchmeat. The lower ranges are great for melee, there is not much +spell DPS or healing gear, so they get full benefit from the added health, as well as benefitting from enchants that provide them with some extra melee DPS and utility. Lifestealing or Crusader on a lowbie weapon (or weapons) is highly effective in those brackets.

[Bradster]

Holy crap how demoralizing yesterday was! I took my level 18 locks into WSG and it was total pwnage in a bad way. i don't even think I was able to get a full set of DoTs off. After the third wipe straight I just /quit. Not sure I will be taking my locks to BG for a while. OUCH! I'm sure it was partially do to mainly having crappy trash armor but locks are just soft and gooey anyways.

Just thought I would share my pain with the group. /cry19 is a twink bracket, cloth at the level 19 bracket is a bad idea! I skipped this bracket and I suggest everyone pretty much do the same. The first 3 brackets contain the most twinks, the 19 being the worse. I had some fun in the 40-49 for a while. Its fun when you don't have to grind it. Wish I spent some more time grinding some tokens. I'm paying for it now!