Deleted thread about botters using multiboxing

[blast3r]

I had posted a video of someone who is using <ninja edit> software to multi-bot. I was thinking it is something that the boxing community should be aware of. Is something like this not allowed? There are a lot of professional botters out there and if something like this does get popular I think it may cause extra problems for us. Anyways.

edit: ninja edited out that which must not be named

[keyclone]

as an fyi... we multi-boxers have struggled to insure people understand we are not bots, which is against the EULA/TOS.

our efforts have been rewarded by the acceptance of multi-boxers by blizzard and sony.

as such, we avoid promoting any type of botting... and do not mention nor link to tools/videos that would make such illegal behavior possible

[blast3r]

Oki doki. Just wanted to make people aware of it. No more links!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Just for clarification, are you saying people have set up bots that mimic what we're doing legitimately? As in, I need to keep an eye on other multiboxers I don't know? I've always assumed that almost nobody would bot multibox because we're already under so much additional scrutiny.

[Ellay]

Ya I snipped it Blast3r, it was not against you - but I want no association with botting at all on here :(

[Gadzooks]

You have to have a zero-tolerance for that kind of thing, MBing gets enough abuse. We have too many anti-social gits from the WoW forums looking for things here to jump all over and post over there, any discussion of botting is just a bad idea.

[blast3r]

Just for clarification, are you saying people have set up bots that mimic what we're doing legitimately? As in, I need to keep an eye on other multiboxers I don't know? I've always assumed that almost nobody would bot multibox because we're already under so much additional scrutiny.

The guy in the video is using bot software to control a 5 man team and is even using keyclone, etc. I didn't do a lot of research but yes, he is using multibox techniques and adapting it to botting. Sure isn't a good idea for them to do that. As you say we (multi-boxers) are already under scrutiny and I imagine adding a bot mechanisim would probably make them even look more suspicious. If they get banned I imagine it would be a ban to the entire group if a GM witnesses it. Hopefully that will happen and the botters figure out it isn't worth it.

[blast3r]

You have to have a zero-tolerance for that kind of thing, MBing gets enough abuse. We have too many anti-social gits from the WoW forums looking for things here to jump all over and post over there, any discussion of botting is just a bad idea.

I don't agree with this statement but that is just me. I think you should always discuss things that may impact you and your playstyle and this is one of those things.

[Aradar]

Personally, I don't see the point of multi-box botting. The purpose of botting is to have your character farm/level with no required input from the user so there is no real point in linking those toons. Botting multiple toons on one box at the same time, I see the point, but again, linking them doesn't seem like it would give any benefit. In addition, botting is pretty obvious if you ever come across it, even more so when you have multiple toons doing it.

[Tonuss]

I think that this forum has a zero-tolerance policy regarding the promotion of illegal activities, and that is fine. Discussing these issues is important as long as there are no links or explanations/suggestions on how to break the rules. I am not concerned with giving anti-MB people ammunition either way. But I think it can help people who want to multibox avoid some pitfalls that they may not be aware of. I think that thanks to this forum/site, people are aware of the need to have your account ownership in proper order. I believe that due to this, there have been at least a few multiboxers who straightened out their account issues before it became a problem. I think that at least a few of those cases would have led to the bans of accounts of family members or friends and thus we helped avoid some very bad situations.

By taking a responsible stance on the issue of cheating, we can help multiboxers, both existing and prospective, stay on the correct side of the line and avoid running into trouble. Considering how often we get reported for "botting" and accused of "cheating," it's important to continue to discuss these issues without allowing anyone to promote them.

[blast3r]

I talked with Ellay and it was the link that was the problem with the first posting. And btw, for the record, I wasn't 'promoting' it. :) just worried about it.

[Vyndree]

Botters have been multi-botting for ages.

It has nothing to do with multiboxing. Botting is botting.

Multiboxing is defined as controlling more than one account at the same time.
Botting is automating the control of ONE account. You can run multiple bots on one computer, but typically you do not run one bot which runs multiple accounts, because each bot needs to maintain "awareness" of each WoW instance since they typically do not group (due to the nature of grouping/multiboxing getting more attention). Granted, one bot program can have multiple threads, but each thread has a dedicated "brain" to each wow window. We have one brain, dedicated to multiple windows.

They are very much different. Multi-botting is akin to multiple players all playing off of the same physical computer, but each with their own terminal/keyboard/mouse.

Of course, I didn't see the link (nor do I care to), but if it was indeed a botter attempting to multibox bot, then I'm boggled. He'll get banned in short order with that amount of attention being drawn to the group.

[Tonuss]

I talked with Ellay and it was the link that was the problem with the first posting. And btw, for the record, I wasn't 'promoting' it. :) just worried about it.Sorry about that, I didn't intend to imply that you were promoting it. I just tend to consider links as a form of promotion, since people can click and visit the site(s).

[blast3r]

Botters have been multi-botting for ages.

It has nothing to do with multiboxing. Botting is botting.

Multiboxing is defined as controlling more than one account at the same time.
Botting is automating the control of ONE account. You can run multiple bots on one computer, but typically you do not run one bot which runs multiple accounts, because each bot needs to maintain "awareness" of each WoW instance since they typically do not group (due to the nature of grouping/multiboxing getting more attention). Granted, one bot program can have multiple threads, but each thread has a dedicated "brain" to each wow window. We have one brain, dedicated to multiple windows.

They are very much different. Multi-botting is akin to multiple players all playing off of the same physical computer, but each with their own terminal/keyboard/mouse.

Of course, I didn't see the link (nor do I care to), but if it was indeed a botter attempting to multibox bot, then I'm boggled. He'll get banned in short order with that amount of attention being drawn to the group.

In this case they are using multiboxing technology such as keystroke cloners, etc. I guess you could say he set up his multibox team and then added botting technology to it.

I am going to guess some of the botters may try it but will quickly find out it isn't worth it. I guess I was concerned that singleboxers who see these entire groups getting stuck on things, etc, will cloud what they initially think of boxers. This is probably not going to be a huge problem but just wanted to bring awareness.

[blast3r]

I talked with Ellay and it was the link that was the problem with the first posting. And btw, for the record, I wasn't 'promoting' it. :) just worried about it.Sorry about that, I didn't intend to imply that you were promoting it. I just tend to consider links as a form of promotion, since people can click and visit the site(s).

cool. :)

[blast3r]

Well, it looks like we won't have to worry about this anymore. However, this is opening a can of worms as far as copyright goes.

http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/07/14/blizzard-wins-sj-mdy/ ('http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/07/14/blizzard-wins-sj-mdy/')

[Iceorbz]

Vnydree-- It was a multiboxing bot, 1 brain 4 buddies.

Overall you guys really have nothing to worry about, this wont be something you see. It was just a setup some buddies of mine did, to see if it actually worked. It did, but its not efficient, it was risky as is I get to much attention on my real 4 box team and doing this with 5 bots would be the closest thing to a instant ban you can get.

Blast3r- Botters that try this, are smart enough to not get stuck, and use the right tools to not do it. But again, they know it's to risky and I don't expect anyone to proceed much further then this video with it. And for it going away, I doubt that man. Appeals processes take a *long* time, the next game could be out before any final ruling goes into effect I would imagine.

[Ken]

Multibox-botting is the most stupid way of botting that one can do:
- It draws a lot more a lot more attention with multiple characters following you.
As a legit player, I've been reported at least half a dozen times before hitting level 60 and that's only counting the reports from people in the open world(non-bg) and people telling me they had reported me.
- When 1 account is banned, it's VERY likely that the others will be banned too, since they are in range and doing exactly the same.