4th day camped

[Zite83]

So we are going onto 4 days now.. I am being camped by a 70 mage. Some times during the day I can move outside the city.. but most of the time he just sits there and camps me... If I try to get to the flight path.. he kills the flight master.. I try to run out on my mount.. he catches up..Yes I know I am on a PvP server.. But wow... four days..? It all started because of this... The picture was taken later after I had to bring my 3box of druids out to try and help my 5box group...
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/zite83/WoWScrnShot_070908_135455.jpg
HIM: STOP BOTTING OR I'M REPORTING YOU
ME: huh?
HIM: STOP FREAKING BOTTING WITH YOUR 3 DRUIDS
ME: no idea what you are talking about
HIM: ....... STOP USING YOU 3 DRUIDS
ME: correction 4 priest and a paladin, I am just on my druids atm (last line not on screen shot)

Well it keeps going and going... He said he would not stop killing me untill I stopped botting... I had no idea who was yelling at me ... I figure it was someone in town, but how could he kill me? So I did a search.. hes a level one in Mulgore... Well he admits to me that he is Samman.... So I just reported him for harrassing me from another account. Well I think something happed cause he got logged.. so I guess it was a temp ban or something cause now he will not give up on killing me.. Now that is no biggy like I stated.. its a PvP server.. what makes me mad is... He can kill off most of the town in Gadgetzan... Other 70s on Horde won't even help me out, even when they are standing next to me... :thumbdown:

[Rigz]

wow that would make my blood boil.

Screw him, I play pvp to and getting ganked and camped happens all the time, usually you can just laugh it off and log for 15 minutes and the campers are gone. To camp you for days at a time though that is a new brand of asshole?!

If you have two groups I would use them to escape though, he can't be in two places at once, he also can't follow more than one character you could just spread out and confuse him then leave the zone, and pick a new place to level. there is always somewhere else to quest. Even though it might feel like he has won, he has not. Someday he will be just one 70 vs 4 70s then its payback...

[Depherios]

Me and Rickroll would've been a high enough level to help you out.... well... die over and over to annoy him more... if not for our computer troubles/setup lately XD

[ElectronDF]

He is probably killing cause he can see you. Go hide. Log out until 2-3am. Then hearth. Then go find a good place to play that he will have to come work to find you. Not sure of your level, but like 36, don't go to Shimmering Flats, that is too specific. Don't go to STV, that is too easy to get adds when you try to run away. Try Arathi Highlands. That place is pretty big and he would have come hunt you down and waste his time. THe first time he kills you, log out and go play for 15-20 min on an alt. Then come back and hearth again. But you could probably go straight back to where you were, cause by that time, it is has been like 1-2 hours. Yeah, he is annoying you, but that is what a PVP server is for. Blizzard wanted money and needed a place for all the jackhats to go, so they made a PVP server. If you aren't a jackhat, you probably don't belong on one. You will just get annoyed.

[-silencer-]

Honestly, some people need to get a life and stop trying to be the WoW police. Blizzard has enough hired help to handle that.

[Naysayer]

Well, let's just get it out of the way right now. You can't hide from him, so don't bother. If he messaged you from another account through your faction he can also see which zone you are in at all times. Don't bother running.

You probably have only 3 legit options here. First, you can try to communicate with him again and maybe talk things through.

Second, I play a pvp server, and I know that camping people will piss off a lot of GM's and they certainly do punish people for extraordinary camping. Four days certainly constitutes extraordinary. You can try repeatedly reporting him for harassment until you get a GM that feels like letting you enjoy the game.

Finally, and the option I would take myself, is to fight fire with fire. Camp him back. Ask for help in pvpchannel, tell your guildmates, get some guildmates, ask for help from a few well know world pvp guilds on your server. They'll probably leap at the chance since world pvp is barren atm.

If that spoiled little baby gets spanked enough, he'll leave you alone.

[Ifalna]

Regardless of the reason, or lenght of time, gm's are going to laugh if you report this. It would of have to be going on weeks to be serious.

What you do, is goad him. You get in contact with him, explain whats going on. Hes going to end up getting pissed, completely ignore this and remain sweet and nice, and keep on explaining how mboxing works.
This is going to swing either way. He will cop on, or he is going to get angrier and angrier. All you need is for him to break out one insult thats bad enough, anything racist, or calling you a fag or gay, and thats enough to actually get him in trouble. I know this from experience, they dont log on again for some time when you report it, even if they are in the middle of screaming at you.

The important part is to remain sweet and nice, and dont insult him at all. Ive become a master of this on my server, it helps that Im a girl and can legitimately call them sweetheart untill they get pissed and call me a fag ;)

[Diamndzngunz]

That mage can **** a fat one. lol, what a tool

[shaeman]

what a sad little bully.

One alternative is to transfer to a new server (expensive solution), perhaps one of the ones here with a multiboxing commnunity. Although the sad little mage will then think he's won. I would suggest making the move to a non pvp server.

Another is to move to another area and pay to have your character names change (again an expensive option I would just do the server move).

[Ifalna]

Name change changes nothing if hes on the gits alts friend list.

[Zite83]

Well I tricked him! We all died around the flight path.. So I rezed one and had her run like hell away from the FP.. he went after her.. then I rezed the rest up and we all took off.. He found out he got tricked and started come back to the FP... So all in all won.. I am 47 now and need to find another instance to do besides ZF... So I wont be seeing much of him anymore... even though when I am 70.. He is going down.. Hey
Depherios and Ricky... Wondering where you guys where, thought you left us.. its been sad with only me to talk to.. anyways when we all hit 70 I want all of us (15 characters) + four more (4 friends) to all find him and camp his body for a day :thumbsup: He can try to bring all his friends.. but they can't compete with 10 Shamans, 5 Shadow Priest, 1 Holy Priest, 1 Paladin Tank.. :D

[Naysayer]

Regardless of the reason, or lenght of time, gm's are going to laugh if you report this. It would of have to be going on weeks to be serious.This is not true at all. I've been reported on a pvp server multiple times for retaliatory camping. Some GM's ask you to leave them alone, and some GM's tell you to leave them alone or they'll suspend your playtime. I like to spank the bullies and give them a taste of their own medicine, and in return I've been told to stop or lose playtime.

[Stealthy]

All I can say is this would never happen on Mag. Anyone that tried shit like this would be camped themselves until they logged. Hell, we'd even put their whole guild on KoS for kicks.

Cheers,

S.

[Naysayer]

Makes me want to start a new group on Mag.

[The_Whack]

All I got to say is wow. I had no idea people could/would do something like that. I dont play PvP and if I did I probably would have quit the game by now cause of tards like that. Holy crap I need a life if I EVER let a video game stress me out. What a freakin loser that guy is.... I'm actually really pissed to read something like that........ wow.

[Binaryzero]

you could have also opened a ticket, even on a PvP server...

[Ifalna]

Regardless of the reason, or lenght of time, gm's are going to laugh if you report this. It would of have to be going on weeks to be serious.This is not true at all. I've been reported on a pvp server multiple times for retaliatory camping. Some GM's ask you to leave them alone, and some GM's tell you to leave them alone or they'll suspend your playtime. I like to spank the bullies and give them a taste of their own medicine, and in return I've been told to stop or lose playtime.
You must be playing on Us realms? Eu has no babying. If your caught in a pvp situation, its a case of tough, deal with it, this is what the server is for.
They won't even step in on outdoor boss attempts, as once again, its part of actual pvp.

The idea of being told to stop pvping on a pvp realm because its not nice is just.. wow.

[Naysayer]

Regardless of the reason, or lenght of time, gm's are going to laugh if you report this. It would of have to be going on weeks to be serious.This is not true at all. I've been reported on a pvp server multiple times for retaliatory camping. Some GM's ask you to leave them alone, and some GM's tell you to leave them alone or they'll suspend your playtime. I like to spank the bullies and give them a taste of their own medicine, and in return I've been told to stop or lose playtime.
You must be playing on Us realms? Eu has no babying. If your caught in a pvp situation, its a case of tough, deal with it, this is what the server is for.
They won't even step in on outdoor boss attempts, as once again, its part of actual pvp.

The idea of being told to stop pvping on a pvp realm because its not nice is just.. wow.I've played a few games where there was no "babying" (if that's what you consider GM assistance towards someone griefing someone else for 4 days is), and I'll say that they do not turn out successful at all. When you let the wolves run rampant, they'll devour all the sheep until there's nothing left and all you're left with is a game populated by a few wolves.

I'm for pvp, absolutely, but I like to pvp against competitive opponents and opponents who are there for pvp as well. I don't care for scrubs who grief people for reasons other than pvp, like the mage in the original post. That shit isn't pvp. That moron is just griefing the guy. Call it babying if you like, I don't care for scrub vs lowbie pvp so whatever.

I like how you subtly stereotype Americans as babies. Shows your colors.

[Quix]

Regardless of the reason, or lenght of time, gm's are going to laugh if you report this. It would of have to be going on weeks to be serious.This is not true at all. I've been reported on a pvp server multiple times for retaliatory camping. Some GM's ask you to leave them alone, and some GM's tell you to leave them alone or they'll suspend your playtime. I like to spank the bullies and give them a taste of their own medicine, and in return I've been told to stop or lose playtime.
You must be playing on Us realms? Eu has no babying. If your caught in a pvp situation, its a case of tough, deal with it, this is what the server is for.
They won't even step in on outdoor boss attempts, as once again, its part of actual pvp.

The idea of being told to stop pvping on a pvp realm because its not nice is just.. wow.I've played a few games where there was no "babying" (if that's what you consider GM assistance towards someone griefing someone else for 4 days is), and I'll say that they do not turn out successful at all. When you let the wolves run rampant, they'll devour all the sheep until there's nothing left and all you're left with is a game populated by a few wolves.

I'm for pvp, absolutely, but I like to pvp against competitive opponents and opponents who are there for pvp as well. I don't care for scrubs who grief people for reasons other than pvp, like the mage in the original post. That shit isn't pvp. That moron is just griefing the guy. Call it babying if you like, I don't care for scrub vs lowbie pvp so whatever.

I like how you subtly stereotype Americans as babies. Shows your colors.Im gonna call BS. Its a PVP server, there are PVP ways to deal with this, I have been known to camp people for hours at a time, for days on end. Why? because thats what I bought the game to do. It's another perfectly legitimate way to play the game. There is no rule on how many times you can gank someone. If I was ever asked to stop ganking someone or get banned, I would cancel all of my accounts immediately.

Now if your doing something else against the rules thats a different story, but merciless killing is perfectly fine in WOW.

[Ifalna]

I said the gm's are babying. Thats babying. Can you not see that telling someone to stop killing someone on pvp realms is a joke? The american part has nothing to do with it. Its the Gm's.

Bit eager to accuse me of insulting the states, tad too defensive. As for pvp realms needing policing for pvp or they go to hell, every eu realm has handled it fine. Which means any other realm type can handle it too. Because there is 0 difference in the people playing.

There would be uproar here if someone was told to stop ganking or pvping on a pvp realm.

[Naysayer]

Regardless of the reason, or lenght of time, gm's are going to laugh if you report this. It would of have to be going on weeks to be serious.This is not true at all. I've been reported on a pvp server multiple times for retaliatory camping. Some GM's ask you to leave them alone, and some GM's tell you to leave them alone or they'll suspend your playtime. I like to spank the bullies and give them a taste of their own medicine, and in return I've been told to stop or lose playtime.
You must be playing on Us realms? Eu has no babying. If your caught in a pvp situation, its a case of tough, deal with it, this is what the server is for.
They won't even step in on outdoor boss attempts, as once again, its part of actual pvp.

The idea of being told to stop pvping on a pvp realm because its not nice is just.. wow.I've played a few games where there was no "babying" (if that's what you consider GM assistance towards someone griefing someone else for 4 days is), and I'll say that they do not turn out successful at all. When you let the wolves run rampant, they'll devour all the sheep until there's nothing left and all you're left with is a game populated by a few wolves.

I'm for pvp, absolutely, but I like to pvp against competitive opponents and opponents who are there for pvp as well. I don't care for scrubs who grief people for reasons other than pvp, like the mage in the original post. That shit isn't pvp. That moron is just griefing the guy. Call it babying if you like, I don't care for scrub vs lowbie pvp so whatever.

I like how you subtly stereotype Americans as babies. Shows your colors.Im gonna call BS. Its a PVP server, there are PVP ways to deal with this, I have been known to camp people for hours at a time, for days on end. Why? because thats what I bought the game to do. It's another perfectly legitimate way to play the game. There is no rule on how many times you can gank someone. If I was ever asked to stop ganking someone or get banned, I would cancel all of my accounts immediately.

Now if your doing something else against the rules thats a different story, but merciless killing is perfectly fine in WOW.You're calling BS on what exactly? That you can't report people on pvp servers for camping? You can.

[Ifalna]

Hes calling bs on reporting a pvp situation when there is a pvp answer. Which is the eu standpoint on it. We don't get any help as the gm's decided players can work it out themselves.

Had we started playing on us realms, then we would be on your side, saying it should be done. Its just due to what your used to. No need to start getting stoppy over opinions ( thats to everyone, not just you)

[Naysayer]

I said the gm's are babying. Thats babying. Can you not see that telling someone to stop killing someone on pvp realms is a joke? The american part has nothing to do with it. Its the Gm's.

Bit eager to accuse me of insulting the states, tad too defensive. As for pvp realms needing policing for pvp or they go to hell, every eu realm has handled it fine. Which means any other realm type can handle it too. Because there is 0 difference in the people playing.

There would be uproar here if someone was told to stop ganking or pvping on a pvp realm.I disagree. Someone who clearly has an advantage camping lowbies is pathetic imo. Grow some balls and fight people who are interested in fighting back. Don't be such a coward and hunt lowbies all the time. Can't pick on people your own size? I'm all for GM interference against scrubs camping low level players for hours on end. Ban the scrubs.

So it's "American" GM's who baby players, and "Euro" GM's who don't. Yes, suuuuuuurrre. I have no doubt that we could find plenty of Euro GM's doing the same thing as the American GM's on your EU forums.

Like I said, I don't care for scrub vs lowbie pvp. Those guys need to grow a pair and look for fights around their own levels. I could care less if some level 70 was crying about being reported for camping a level 40.

[Quix]

Yes, you can report people for just about anything you can think of. No nothing will ever happen.

Just like when people report me for multiboxing.

Again there are plenty of things most gankers/griefers/world PVPers do that would warrant a report/warning/ban, but "KILLING YOUR LOWBIE ALT OVER & OVER" isnt one of them.


Have a great day spreading false information.

[Naysayer]

Hes calling bs on reporting a pvp situation when there is a pvp answer. Which is the eu standpoint on it. We don't get any help as the gm's decided players can work it out themselves.

Had we started playing on us realms, then we would be on your side, saying it should be done. Its just due to what your used to. No need to start getting stoppy over opinions ( thats to everyone, not just you)Sure they can solve it through pvp means, and I didn't say they couldn't, but I'm also saying that I'm not against the GM interfering when it comes to hours of camping a lowbie either. Go camp somebody your own level.

[Quix]

Hes calling bs on reporting a pvp situation when there is a pvp answer. Which is the eu standpoint on it. We don't get any help as the gm's decided players can work it out themselves.

Had we started playing on us realms, then we would be on your side, saying it should be done. Its just due to what your used to. No need to start getting stoppy over opinions ( thats to everyone, not just you)Sure they can solve it through pvp means, and I didn't say they couldn't, but I'm also saying that I'm not against the GM interfering when it comes to hours of camping a lowbie either. Go camp somebody your own level.I'm not getting into an argument over the "Morality" of it. You said it could get me banned, I said bullsnot.

The GM's wont do a thing.

[Naysayer]

Hes calling bs on reporting a pvp situation when there is a pvp answer. Which is the eu standpoint on it. We don't get any help as the gm's decided players can work it out themselves.

Had we started playing on us realms, then we would be on your side, saying it should be done. Its just due to what your used to. No need to start getting stoppy over opinions ( thats to everyone, not just you)Sure they can solve it through pvp means, and I didn't say they couldn't, but I'm also saying that I'm not against the GM interfering when it comes to hours of camping a lowbie either. Go camp somebody your own level.I'm not getting into an argument over the "Morality" of it. You said it could get me banned, I said bullsnot.

The GM's wont do a thing.Yes, and multiboxers have never been suspended either. Nope never happened. GM's are so perfect. /sarcasm

Camping people 30 levels below you, lol, you're such a pvper.

[Quix]

I never said anything about me being a good PVPer, & I really don't want to argue the merits of world pvp.

I simply wanted to clear up the misconception that you were spreading that it was somehow against the rules.

Have a great day.

[Korruptor]

This is the sad truth it seems on my server it seems to be the alliance are the cheapest gankers.

Yesterday I was flying to Kargath from Gromgol and once I entered the zone I saw the spam that Karg was under attack. Yep it was at least 15 lvl 70's in various tier armor laying waste to the camp. Yep thats talent in action.

I had died right at the FP and was near the inn. I thought about rez and logging off but i wasn't going to let them stop me. So I rezzed inside on the upper lvl and was able to hearth out 4/5 before they figured it out lol. Really smart campers.

I need to give up questing and go back to instances.

[Naysayer]

I never said anything about me being a good PVPer, & I really don't want to argue the merits of world pvp.

I simply wanted to clear up the misconception that you were spreading that it was somehow against the rules.

Have a great day.

We are unable to assist with the following issues:
Actions that would typically be considered "dishonorable" are considered legitimate PvP tactics and will not be addressed by our Game Master (GM) staff. "Dishonorable" actions include, but are not limited to: Corpse camping. Tricking players into getting flagged for PvP (i.e. jumping in the middle of another player's area effect spell). Killing players well below your level.
Ongoing Harassment
The Ongoing Harassment policy does not apply when there is a PvP resolution available, as physical confrontations are considered a facet of PvP combat and players in opposing factions are unable to communicate verbally. Characters have the ability to address their conflicts through combat and GMs will only involve themselves in extreme or excessive circumstances.

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20455
Yep, GM's can't do anything. /sarcasm...

It's the GM's call, and 4 days worth of camping surely constitutes excessive.

Stop spreading false information, kthnx.

[Gadzooks]

My issue with the situation the OP is in, is the repeated killing of the flight master. It's one thing to gank, which is acceptable under PvP rules, but killing the flightmaster effects every player in the zone, and THAT is also punishable if it's being done repeatedly.

Trust me, if I were on that server, and I could'nt fly in and out of Tanaris for 4 days straight, I'd be up every GMs ass to get that asshole the hell out of the game, ASAP.

[Quix]

Do yourself a favor, & read the first line of the paragraph you bolded in red again.

[Ifalna]

Just to clear this up.

Depending on server type, you have these options in this situation:

US REALM - contact gm's, they supposedly help with pvp situations, excessive would mean weeks here, but the policies differ and I have absolutely nothing to say its not a few days in US, so you could get lucky.

EU REALM- try and find a way around it, Gm's wont help - Naysayer, feel free to browse the eu forums for someone who had gm intervention in a pvp situation, then post evidence here. That way you have a credible arguement instead of just.. naysaying. I will happily get gm clarification if you want some once I get home, as I know a few in real life what with the cork office being across the path from where I work, or could ticket one in game.

Either way, the simplest option is to gank the bastard. Over and over and over. There have to be some level 70's on that server that will help you, there's no way the entire thing could be filled with gobshites. If it is, transfer the hell off it.

[Bena]

can you use the stuck feature when you're dead? if it works it would just hearth you out of there...

yeah pvp is pvp but I think 4?! days is a bit excessive..

[Ifalna]

can you use the stuck feature when you're dead? if it works it would just hearth you out of there...

That would rock, but I have no idea :)

[Eteocles]

Protip: Run to farthest end of town, die, spirit res and hearth. How the fuck you can manage to be camped that long with an assload of options to escape him is beyond me...he's very sad on the one hand for even waiting that long..and that IS Physical Harassment, which the GMs are required to deal with, even on a PVP server; "U ROLLED PVP GET OVER ITLOL" only applies when it's a short period and not constant, town-NPC-killing griefing, quest/zone disruption too at that point, especially at 4 days(Though again how he managed to be on that long and you never had an opportunity to leave is beyond me...)

[hardc0re]

that gotta suck :((

[Biomehanikka]

if yer on destromath, get crugon, reinix and jadeki to kill him, theyre some old friends of mine, tell em renob/AJ from fullsail says hi lol

[Zite83]

Don't everyone get worked up about it :P ... Well I am glad people hate it as much as I do... Here is what it boils down to for me (Three things) ..

First: Even in a neutral town I was unable to be (semi safe). At least if he kills me he dies too. When ever I attack people (not purposely) I get 10+ guards on me /dead. He knows every area in that town where he would get 2 guards every time if that or none when he killed me.
Second: The fact after repeated cries for help from my follow 70s which where just sitting there watching me die 15+ times did nothing. Even at my low level, if I see a follow horde getting attacked I swarm his attacker with my 5x fury of death.
Third: Like I said its a PvP server.. but this was a first in my years of WoW. I guess I should at least look at the bright side and say I have a fan so dedicated to me, he finds it better that I am dead so no one else can have me? 8|

[Ellette]

lol Don't worry Zite, once you and I and TJ get to 70 we will gank his ass lol And no... I am not bringing my prot pally! I'll be bringing my dang shadow priest, 70 or not >_< lol

[homerjunior]

Regardless of the reason, or lenght of time, gm's are going to laugh if you report this. It would of have to be going on weeks to be serious.This is not true at all. I've been reported on a pvp server multiple times for retaliatory camping. Some GM's ask you to leave them alone, and some GM's tell you to leave them alone or they'll suspend your playtime. I like to spank the bullies and give them a taste of their own medicine, and in return I've been told to stop or lose playtime.Its clearly stated camping is "NOT" Agaisnt the rules those GM's your talking about can and would be fired

[Naysayer]

Regardless of the reason, or lenght of time, gm's are going to laugh if you report this. It would of have to be going on weeks to be serious.This is not true at all. I've been reported on a pvp server multiple times for retaliatory camping. Some GM's ask you to leave them alone, and some GM's tell you to leave them alone or they'll suspend your playtime. I like to spank the bullies and give them a taste of their own medicine, and in return I've been told to stop or lose playtime.Its clearly stated camping is "NOT" Agaisnt the rules those GM's your talking about can and would be firedRepeatedly targeting a specific player with harassment, either physical or verbal, is against the rules.

"The bottom line is that we want World of Warcraft to be a fun and safe environment for all players."

You're wrong.

[Naysayer]

If anyone wants to test your theory that excessive camping on a pvp server can't get you suspended/banned, send me a pm and I'll make a new character on your server so you can camp me all day. We can see who gets banned first.

[homerjunior]

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/3303/af8fe81f45c2c36bac469b9hl7.jpg

[Naysayer]

Ongoing Harassment

The Ongoing Harassment policy does not apply when there is a PvP
resolution available, as physical confrontations are considered a facet
of PvP combat and players in opposing factions are unable to
communicate verbally. Characters have the ability to address their
conflicts through combat and GMs will only involve themselves in extreme or excessive circumstances.

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20455

You should try reading more.

[Ifalna]

The only reason that is there is that they have an excuse to do it if it ever needs to be done. It still doesn't mean they actually come in game and stop corpse camping as its not nice.


Can you give some evidence to back this up? Like forum posts about people told to stop corpse camping? Because thats what this guy is doing. I mean ongoing pve encounter griefing, maybe, holding cities ransom for days, maybe, but corpse camping? You keep argueing we are all wrong, but put forth no evidence yet. Your arguement would be an awful lot tighter if you did.

Here. No part of the story changed. Level 70 camping you for days, not letting you leave a city.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8210/gm071308103740xo7.jpg http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5557/gm1071308103745rn0.jpg

[scottig]

ownd

[Naysayer]

The only reason that is there is that they have an excuse to do it if it ever needs to be done. It still doesn't mean they actually come in game and stop corpse camping as its not nice.


Can you give some evidence to back this up? Like forum posts about people told to stop corpse camping? Because thats what this guy is doing. I mean ongoing pve encounter griefing, maybe, holding cities ransom for days, maybe, but corpse camping? You keep argueing we are all wrong, but put forth no evidence yet. Your arguement would be an awful lot tighter if you did.

Here. No part of the story changed. Level 70 camping you for days, not letting you leave a city.Don't want to try your luck camping me on your main for an excessive amount of time?

Even in your pics he says he would never be so blunt. If it is excessive, even he would do it. He's also just placating you in that convo.

[Ifalna]

My god your rediculous.

Really fantastic first impression your making. Still waiting for some evidence from you that you refuse to actually show.
In fact, fuck it, I wont waste my time, the height of your arguementative skills so far have been " Because I said so" so fair enough, Im sure your right despite your factless arguement. Its like talking to a cranky little teenager.

[homerjunior]

The only reason that is there is that they have an excuse to do it if it ever needs to be done. It still doesn't mean they actually come in game and stop corpse camping as its not nice.


Can you give some evidence to back this up? Like forum posts about people told to stop corpse camping? Because thats what this guy is doing. I mean ongoing pve encounter griefing, maybe, holding cities ransom for days, maybe, but corpse camping? You keep argueing we are all wrong, but put forth no evidence yet. Your arguement would be an awful lot tighter if you did.

Here. No part of the story changed. Level 70 camping you for days, not letting you leave a city.Don't want to try your luck camping me on your main for an excessive amount of time?

Even in your pics he says he would never be so blunt. If it is excessive, even he would do it. He's also just placating you in that convo.He cant be so blunt he has no right to give a 100% positive answer policys change all the time. For example blizzard would " NEVER" Give a single player and advantage right? Remeber the dieing boy who got the s2 Bow named after him and free gear

[Moxy]

This is not the wow forums. You want to be an arrogant asshole knowitall- you can access them at forums.worldofwarcraft.com

[Moxy]

You should try reading more.

This is what I'm refering to.

[Ifalna]

He was replying that he wouldnt be so blunt as to say "you have options to stop them, so use them" but that is actually the case. " I would never be so blunt, but yes".

If it is excessive, even he would do it. So now your talking for the gm that expressly said they would not in that EXACT situation the op is in. Jesus F Christ this is sad.

Gm: We will not interfere in this situation.
Naysayer: The gm will interfere, they are lieing.

Mmhmm. If you cannot at least stop and comprehend what is right in front of you in clear text, then please, as was said earlier, return to the wow forums with the rest of the population of ignorant know it alls, you can argue till your blue in the face with them about who is right and wrong in a given situation where no one has the slightest clue what they are talking about anyway. Its epeen-tastic.

[Naysayer]

The only reason that is there is that they have an excuse to do it if it ever needs to be done. It still doesn't mean they actually come in game and stop corpse camping as its not nice.


Can you give some evidence to back this up? Like forum posts about people told to stop corpse camping? Because thats what this guy is doing. I mean ongoing pve encounter griefing, maybe, holding cities ransom for days, maybe, but corpse camping? You keep argueing we are all wrong, but put forth no evidence yet. Your arguement would be an awful lot tighter if you did.

Here. No part of the story changed. Level 70 camping you for days, not letting you leave a city.Don't want to try your luck camping me on your main for an excessive amount of time?

Even in your pics he says he would never be so blunt. If it is excessive, even he would do it. He's also just placating you in that convo.He cant be so blunt he has no right to give a 100% positive answer policys change all the time. For example blizzard would " NEVER" Give a single player and advantage right? Remeber the dieing boy who got the s2 Bow named after him and free gearNot because the policy is changing all the time, but because the policy already says they can take action in extreme or excessive instances. Are you guys really that bad at reading comprehension.

"oh wait naysayur it only sayzes that becuz they need a way to b able to do soumthin in extreme or excessiv instunces"

/palmface

[Naysayer]

He was replying that he wouldnt be so blunt as to say "you have options to stop them, so use them" but that is actually the case. " I would never be so blunt, but yes".


If it is excessive, even he would do it. So now your talking for the gm that expressly said they would not in that EXACT situation the op is in. Jesus F Christ this is sad.

Gm: We will not interfere in this situation.
Naysayer: The gm will interfere, they are lieing.

Mmhmm. If you cannot at least stop and comprehend what is right in front of you in clear text, then please, as was said earlier, return to the wow forums with the rest of the population of ignorant know it alls, you can argue till your blue in the face with them about who is right and wrong in a given situation where no one has the slightest clue what they are talking about anyway. Its epeen-tastic.Why would they put those words in "in extreme or excessive instances" if they wouldn't or couldn't step in?

You keep skipping that part.

[Ifalna]

Absolute troll.

[Naysayer]

Absolute troll.I'm a troll because you disagree with me. Yeaaaaaahhhhh suuure.

[Naysayer]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903705648&postId=79028260161&sid=1#12

A larger poll audience.

"there have been GMs on both sides of the issue."

It's hard to get direct answers because they are all too busy calling campers no life losers. i loled.

[BGuru]

A thread on the WoW forums answers the corpse camping issue. Basically someone says a guildies alt was warned by a GM for camping over an hour and a blue poster says it never happened.

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I don't see any warning having been issued, and the account has not had any action taken against them for corpse camping. Game Masters do not intervene in situations of repeated killing of the opposing faction on Player vs. Player realms - it is fair game and a completely within the PvP Server Policy (http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowgm/?id=agm01654p).

A Game Master may step in if there is some type of exploitive behavior occurring, but it would not be to address the 'corpse camping' but to handle the abusive or exploitive action.

Folks, feel free to kill members of the opposite faction to your heart's desire - happy hunting. :o)

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From: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=86429093&sid=1&pageNo=16#305

[Naysayer]

A thread on the WoW forums answers the corpse camping issue. Basically someone says a guildies alt was warned by a GM for camping over an hour and a blue poster says it never happened.

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I don't see any warning having been issued, and the account has not had any action taken against them for corpse camping. Game Masters do not intervene in situations of repeated killing of the opposing faction on Player vs. Player realms - it is fair game and a completely within the PvP Server Policy (http://www.blizzard.com/support/wowgm/?id=agm01654p).

A Game Master may step in if there is some type of exploitive behavior occurring, but it would not be to address the 'corpse camping' but to handle the abusive or exploitive action.

Folks, feel free to kill members of the opposite faction to your heart's desire - happy hunting. :o)

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From: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=86429093&sid=1&pageNo=16#305When does selective camping turn into harassment though? The rules change when harassment is mentioned, and is the reason the mention extreme and excessive instances, so I'd like to see a GM response about that. If it's the same, I'll concede and consider gm intervention to be inaccurate practice.

[BGuru]

Corpse camping is never considered excessive or extreme on a PVP server.

Here is a quote from a blue post:

I'm aware that you weren't really after a Game Master response here. However I wanted to tell you that I sympathize, and to clarify our policies on the matter.

It is correct that we will not take action if someone is corpse camping you on a PvP realm - ever (and on PvE realms it is not an issue). This is something we consider to be resolvable by players themselves by PvP means. However, if a player is exploiting terrain in neutral towns to avoid guard aggro we do have policies in place to deal with it. To quote myself after someone helpfully linked a previous thread on the matter:

Q u o t e:
[...] in Outlands it is acceptable to use any terrain to gain advantage in world PvP, unless this involves abusing glitches or "blind spots" in neutral towns or other areas with guards on duty. Attacking a player anywhere within the borders of such a town should cause the guards to retaliate.


I would also like to remind everyone to keep the thread constructive and to the point. Attempting to determine other players' motivation by involving insults or inappropriate language will have consequences that affect your posting privileges, and may also lead to the closure of the thread.

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From: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3508120998&sid=1&pageNo=5#82

[Tonuss]

Well he admits to me that he is Samman.... So I just reported him for harrassing me from another account. Well I think something happed cause he got logged.. so I guess it was a temp ban or something cause now he will not give up on killing me.. Keep reporting him, that means that he is working his way up the penalty volcano. First offense is three hours, so all it probably did was piss him off even more. While GMs typically consider PvP to be an "anything goes" deal and usually will tell people to find their own solution, they will take action against people for harassment. Corpse camping and griefing is allowed, but there is a point where they WILL take action.

And also... find some people sympathetic to your cause to help you out and make his life even more miserable. Is there no one on your server you can ask for help?

[Bradster]

While leveling my first shaman to 60 I picked a server, the ratio was something like 4 to 1 alliance, I was horde. I got ganked every 5mins. So one day my friend and I went to red ridge to burn off some steam and this warrior geared to the bone 1/2 shot each of us. Ever since the day, anytime my friend or I logged on he would come hunt us down and camp us. He must of had a Horde spy account.

I finished my the rest of my 2 levels hiding in Burning steps in caves, he never found me XD. There's lots of places to hide and level. Even when leveling the locks I had 2 70 rouges that liked to camp me a bit. I couldn't kill them because cloak of skill and only being 40.

[Naysayer]

Got a blue response.



Message by
Aredek
Blizzard Poster:

To be clear, please read over our support article regarding this very subject:

Player vs Player Server Policy
http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20456

I've underlined a few of the more important pieces of information to help clarify.


Q u o t e:
We are unable to assist with the following issues:
Actions that would typically be considered "dishonorable" are considered legitimate PvP tactics and will not be addressed by our Game Master (GM) staff. "Dishonorable" actions include, but are not limited to:

* Corpse camping.
* Tricking players into getting flagged for PvP (i.e. jumping in the middle of another player's area effect spell).
* Killing players well below your level.


Ongoing Harassment
The Ongoing Harassment policy does not apply when there is a PvP resolution available, as physical confrontations are considered a facet of PvP combat and players in opposing factions are unable to communicate verbally. Characters have the ability to address their conflicts through combat and GMs will only involve themselves in extreme or excessive circumstances.

IMPORTANT

* This policy contains exceptions to the policies currently being enforced on all servers.
* Though this policy reflects a somewhat "hands-off" approach, the GM staff will intervene in cases of extreme or excessive harassment.
* Policies governing general decency are still in effect. Actions such as inappropriate names, obscene language, and spamming will be addressed as on any other server
I'd suggest not taking this act of vengeance too far. They seem to swing both ways, which would lead me to believe that if you page a GM enough, you'll eventually get results and the camper will be banned/suspended if it's excessive enough. Four days is certainly excessive imo.

[HTeam]

In this specific case, you also have to remember he's using a spy account. He's already been dinged for crossteaming, so if he starts showing up consistently in your zone, let them know about that as well.

[Marathon]

4 days of being camped .... that Mage has no life ....

But depending on his gear once you hit your mid to late 50's you will actually have a fighting chance against him.

[Stealthy]

Revenge is a dish best served cold as they say...

Get an addon like VanasKOS, add him to it...level up, come back and camp him for 4 days solid.

Payback is a bitch! :P

Cheers,
S.

[RobinGBrown]

That you can't report people on pvp servers for camping? You can.

and

When does selective camping turn into harassment though?

The very first thing on the 'Report a problem screen' says something along the lines of 'The following are not considered harassment: corpse camping', I've always assumed that to mean that killing a player over and over again is a perfectly legit tactic.

Corpse camping is NEVER harassment as far as Blizzard is concerned (AFAIK).

This mage was playing by the rules, you, with your multibox setups, are playing by the rules, start questioning one and you'll have to question everything.

At least he's not whining on the forums!

[shaeman]

At least he's not whining on the forums!
Unlike someone who started a thread, didn't like the response he got and ran back to another forum taking posts out of context to try and paint that forum in a bad light.

"This mage was playing by the rules, you, with your multibox setups, are playing by the rules, start questioning one and you'll have to question everything "

No logic in that particular argument. (can I just ask, do you multibox, because you seem to dislike the whole concept, so it kind of makes me wonder why you are really on this forum?)

However ultimately it is a blizzard rule (I'm sure they've given it a huge amount of thought)- and I'm sure they've had many people questioning it and it stands therefore it should be accepted.

(wow - if only the anti multiboxers could see reason like this).

Personally that's why I would never roll on a PVP realm. I like the idea of being able to choose when I fight, and would rather not give narrow minded, emotionally stunted morons the ability to ruin my enjoyment of the game. Although I must admit that it must be a great feeling having levelled to 70 despite the fools, to revisit every single one of them and return the favour x 5. I'm sure they wouldn't whine on the forums when that happens.

[Naysayer]

That you can't report people on pvp servers for camping? You can.

and

When does selective camping turn into harassment though?

The very first thing on the 'Report a problem screen' says something along the lines of 'The following are not considered harassment: corpse camping', I've always assumed that to mean that killing a player over and over again is a perfectly legit tactic.

Corpse camping is NEVER harassment as far as Blizzard is concerned (AFAIK).Look passed the "first thing" on the report a problem screen and you'll see notations for exceptions. Customer service Blue named Aredek says you're wrong and you can be banned if it's excessive.

[Otlecs]

Damn quoters.

Up until that point all I'd seen of his drivel was: "This post by: RobinGBrown (Today, 10:11am) is hidden, because you ignore user RobinGBrown."

8o

[Naysayer]

Personally that's why I would never roll on a PVP realm. I like the idea of being able to choose when I fight, and would rather not give narrow minded, emotionally stunted morons the ability to ruin my enjoyment of the game. Although I must admit that it must be a great feeling having levelled to 70 despite the fools, to revisit every single one of them and return the favour x 5. I'm sure they wouldn't whine on the forums when that happens.It's not really as bad as most pvp server players make it out to be. If you're passive then about 95% of all your encounters with the opposing faction pre-70 is non-aggressive and I'd say 50% at 70. If you're aggressive then you can stir up a hornets nest and have small wars over parts of the map quite often. I'd say only every so often you'll get a dope like the mage in the OP and/or people who camp you for no reason. Really, only a very small percentage (probably 1%) of your leveling time is spent in unwanted pvp contact.

I'd actually say it's harder to level on pve servers due to the fact that there is no worry about pvp and it's much harder to get quests done when there's lots of people around. On a pvp server, you can remove the opposing faction from your spot if you're inclined to do so. A little off track here, but I used to be against pve to pvp tranfers simply because of the gear differential (pve servers being far more advanced gear-wise), but now that resilience matters and decent gear can be obtained through pvping I'm all for it. More people, more pvp.

[Tonuss]

It can be a bit annoying to level on a PvE server if other players are trying to complete the same quest, but most of the time it is not bad. Leveling on a PvP server isn't all that bad as long as you avoid the obvious ganking hot spots or can level at odd hours (I can log in for about 30-45 minutes in the morning before I leave for work, and there is usually no one around). It depends on your server, of course. My hunter (who dinged 60 just this morning) was ganked about... 4 or 5 times, usually by level 70s running by who stopped to kill me then went on their way. Two 70s only killed my pet (no idea why) and left me alone. Yesterday a level 70 hunter left me alone in Silithus, as did the lowbie group he was helping.

The downside of a PvP server as a multiboxer is that you get more than the usual amount of attention, and if you happen to catch the eye of one of those MB haters who happens to have less of a life than they accuse us of having, they can spend a lot of time ganking you. On PvE servers it is usually your own faction that is the problem, constantly sending you tells and displaying their lack of intelligence. But I prefer to level via instances when I MB, so I haven't had any trouble. I do want to complete some Outland quests for my MB team before heading into the first instance there, PLing them with my shaman left them with mediocre gear.

[Talamarr]

Look, the bottom line is this. Corpse camping is NOT aganist the rules. Harrasement is. Harrasement is also subjective in these types of situations. Depending on the GM, time of day and phase of the moon, you may get different opinions on if this type of action is considered Harrasement. Not because of the corpse camping itself, but because of little "extra" things the guy was doing (i.e. /whispers on a level 1 toon on opposite faction, stalking, etc

You are all right and wrong so kiss and make up or go to the general forums :D

PS: Who let RobinGBrown back in :(

EDIT: DAMNIT, just realized I necro'd this thread from yesterday. WHOOPS.

[Bovidae]

TLDR

You said that you identified a level 1 alt, that he was using to track you, correct? This IS a violation, and is the primary reason you cannot roll both horde and alliance toons on the same server, on the same account. Having /who information on the opposing faction IS an unfair advantage.

I have reported many people for doing this, and have never heard back from them. Normally these attempted greifers are so unimaginitive, they use a similar name on their alt used to track me, or are dumb enough to begin verbally harassing me.

My favorite was the 70 hunter who tried to gank my shaman when we were 66. He tried and tried and tried (5 or 6 times iirc) but kept failing >.< So he created a toon named Bovidaesucks (or something to that effect) He spammed me, he spammed trade chat, he got reported, and was removed from my friends list, because "that character no longer exists" GG

[Ken]

Hey Zite!
First things first: Intall a blacklist addon for WoW and add these people to your blacklist. I use this one:
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/details/6119/
This addon is very handy, as you can later have some fun with the people that were harassing you before. The addon gives you a text/sound warning when you target someone that is on the BL.

A second thing to do - as you seemed to do more or less - is to face your character in different directions, respawn and then press the (broadcasted) autorun button. This way they are running away from each other and the sad ganker can never kill them all before they are separated. When you resurrect next time, you should be able to hearthstone most of your characters away.
The next step is to get some low-level(or friend) Warlock to summon your other character as soon as he respawns.

Usually when I get ganked, I ask a friend for help and we get our 70s to kill these sad players.

[Anjuna]

All I can say is this would never happen on Mag. Anyone that tried shit like this would be camped themselves until they logged. Hell, we'd even put their whole guild on KoS for kicks.

Cheers,

S.This. Stealthy and Azq have both had to come save my ass quite a few times. =P

VanasKoS is an ACE mod and has a lot of great features to aid in getting revenge on the people who have ganked you or your friends!

[Sun]

Well, I read most of the posts. To the original poster who had camping problems, you will eventually get higher. Something to look forward to. I got ganked so many times while levelling that I lost count. I learned from those encounters by how they killed me. Whether it was being camped or just in numbers, I took note. I also kept a log on who was camping/ganking me.

This is how I would deal with this problem on anybody ....if they kill you because your lower...KOS list....same level as you and its fair PVP..no KOS list...GANKERS...KOS list..you get the idea.

KOS list also can mean...Kill on sight ANYONE who in their guild...KOS also means anyone who was with the perpetrator when the evil deed was done.

Some people like to add insults with emotes and dances. I never TALK during PVP and after PVP. I think it adds a little mystique to the character when you do this. GLOATING IMO doesnt make it better but ACTIONS speak louder than words....in other words you kill him over and over will definitely make a point. When you kill him and his buddy that tried to help also will make a statement. When you kill him and 5 of his buddies who try to help will also make a point.

I say this because I had a case where I got ganked by lvl 70 who was helping the other toons that were my level. But they needed help from the 70 in order to kill me. So, I got my friend a lvl 70 to help out. I asked him to only take out the other 70 if he came around. I would take care of the rest. Needless to say, we cleaned friggin house and then some. We wouldnt even let them get to the FP. I PKed those guys so many times that some of them just logged. I made my point by dealing with them my way. They knew not to mess with The Zerg. As mentioned in an earlier post, The Zerg can and will retaliate against you and your whole frickin guild. 8o

Just dont get discouraged when you get ganked or camped. Thats just part of PVP. Try to get help and if that dont happen then log and do something with other toons. Eventually you can take care of business when your his level. Keep track of those names who PK you ?? levels. FYI I can usually PK anyone who is 9 levels near my level. At level 54 I took out my first level 70. When you level 61(9 from 70) you can probably go 70 hunting without any problems. :cursing:

[Bovidae]

9 levels higher, you say?

Have you ever heard of the resist mechanic? Landing a spell on anything 9 levels higher than you would be impressive, never mind actually killing it. 56 vs 70??? roflmao pics or it didn't happen.

[Thulos]

9 levels higher, you say?

Have you ever heard of the resist mechanic? Landing a spell on anything 9 levels higher than you would be impressive, never mind actually killing it. 56 vs 70??? roflmao pics or it didn't happen.This isn't all that uncommon. At 56 I got ganked by a 70 hunter and when I respawned he taunted me a bit. I did a lightbolt, cl + shock and he was half hitpoints. I didn't kill him because he quickly took out my dudes who were in sm gear but the point remains that resist mechanics are not as extreme as you think they are.

[Majestic_Clown]

Just to remind of a HUGE point, alliance or horde who gank you and actually say somethingt to you like "I LOV U" or something like that (i cant remember the exacts) you can report them for body camping and communication to you cross faction, as direct communication cross faction IS against the rules and if keeps doing it over a few hour period then ne might get suspended :D

[Mac]

9 levels higher, you say?

Have you ever heard of the resist mechanic? Landing a spell on anything 9 levels higher than you would be impressive, never mind actually killing it. 56 vs 70??? roflmao pics or it didn't happen.This isn't all that uncommon. At 56 I got ganked by a 70 hunter and when I respawned he taunted me a bit. I did a lightbolt, cl + shock and he was half hitpoints. I didn't kill him because he quickly took out my dudes who were in sm gear but the point remains that resist mechanics are not as extreme as you think they are.I was getting most of the resists in my 30s against 70s, I was able to kill a 70 in my mid 40s.

[blast3r]

9 levels higher, you say?

Have you ever heard of the resist mechanic? Landing a spell on anything 9 levels higher than you would be impressive, never mind actually killing it. 56 vs 70??? roflmao pics or it didn't happen.This isn't all that uncommon. At 56 I got ganked by a 70 hunter and when I respawned he taunted me a bit. I did a lightbolt, cl + shock and he was half hitpoints. I didn't kill him because he quickly took out my dudes who were in sm gear but the point remains that resist mechanics are not as extreme as you think they are.

I've killed many with BOSS/Skull as their level. Not sure what their exact level was but it was more than 9 levels.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

9 levels higher, you say?

Have you ever heard of the resist mechanic? Landing a spell on anything 9 levels higher than you would be impressive, never mind actually killing it. 56 vs 70??? roflmao pics or it didn't happen.I regularly begin counter-ganking scrub 70s with my caster groups starting at 55-58. PVP != PVE.

[Bradster]

I've killed many of +10 in level people. I think my first 70 kill was 36-42 some where in that range. I forget! In my video I killed quite a few I beleave, been a while since I've watched them off here XD

[Majo]

I have a confession to make...

I once used my 5 level 60-something shamans to camp 2 level 30-something draenei in STV and into Booty Bay for, oh i dunno, an hour to 2 hours.

Originally I just wanted to kill them once in retaliation of a lowbie they were tag teaming. It was when they started spitting on me and emote insulting me that I decided to crack open a beer and execute an unnecessary amount of street justice. Fortunately they stopped spitting on me an hour or two into the corpse camping so I hearthed away.

Many innocent booty bay guards died that day. May they rest in peace.

[Vyndree]

9 levels higher, you say?

Have you ever heard of the resist mechanic? Landing a spell on anything 9 levels higher than you would be impressive, never mind actually killing it. 56 vs 70??? roflmao pics or it didn't happen.

PvP has a resist cap. PvE does not (at least, I do not believe).

My warlocks were able to kill a level 70 at the tender age of lvl 49. (resisted some dots, but not enough)
They were not, however, able to kill a level 66 mob in outlands at level 55. (almost total resists)

[Jorai]

You said that you identified a level 1 alt, that he was using to track
you, correct? This IS a violation, and is the primary reason you cannot
roll both horde and alliance toons on the same server, on the same
account. Having /who information on the opposing faction IS an unfair
advantage. partly true.

I rolled alliance on my server - akama , which is PvP and home to such great multi boxing teams as First-Fourth Rock , the Fembots, my own groups none of which are 70, and actually a few more - met a new one last night from Team RCA guild, 1 pally and 3 troll shaman.

Anyhow, at one point i made some alliance alts to get some white kittens and other good stuff from the ridiculously cheap alliance auction house. The rules for this sort of thing are as follows.

you ARE allowed to have both horde and alliance on the same PvP server provided you do not do the following

- use the account of one faction to find and harass/camp a member of the other faction (this is the big one that relates to this problem)

- use the account to set up honor farming sessions between guilds (who the hell would do this)

- manipulate the game economy (you can buy kittens for yourself, but start selling them on the horde auction house and get ready for a perma ban)

all of these violations are temp or PERMA bans, up to blizzards discretion. people have worked both auction houses using the neutral AH to make massive amounts of gold and recieved PERMA BANS...with NO WARNING! reason? "manipulation of game economy"

the reason i know this is because i was farming scholomance for the ace of portals and trying to buy it for my friend for a while, when all of the sudden it was on the alliance AH for ridiculously cheap. Before i transferred the item i read up on the issue to make sure i wasn't asking for a ban. it turns out that giving it to myself or guildies is ok, re-selling is "manipulting the game economy". and why not? i could have flipped 1000's of gold if it was "legal", i could check both AH at once.

sooo after picking up some alliance starting zone gear, a few kittens and an ace of portals i gave all of my spare stuff to a dwarf hunter in booty bay before deleting my accounts. the best part was when he said "why are you giving this to me" and i responded "because i hate you" , then "good bye alliance" in trade chat and DELETE DELETE DELTE!

P.S. : the way to do this is to make a human rogue, swim to booty bay, learn stealth because you hit level 2 and there's a trainer there, sell your clothes to yourself on the Neutral AH for 500 gold, and go to town. I had a human pally in stormwind getting kittens, a draenei shaman in the exodar checking their wonderful AH, and my rogue in booty bay....good times ;(

[Jorai]

This IS a violation, and is the primary reason you cannot

roll both horde and alliance toons on the same server, on the same

account.

sorry bud , i mis-read this. you can't do it on the same account, but you are allowed to do it on 2 account. most definitely illegal to do it on one, my bad :}

[Yesh]

That's definitely something that blizz will handle, like Jorai said.




PvP has a resist cap. PvE does not (at least, I do not believe).

My warlocks were able to kill a level 70 at the tender age of lvl 49. (resisted some dots, but not enough)
They were not, however, able to kill a level 66 mob in outlands at level 55. (almost total resists)

I think you mean Spell hit (cap) where spell hit when "capped" is 99% max in PvP/PvE environments.

Yay for informational tables:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7310/spellhitha8.jpg

At level 70, 12.6 spell hit rating is equivalent to 1% spell hit. So, since as of right now the highest mob is level 73... a caster would need (untalented) 202 hit to cap. If you're quite a few levels below your target... you will always have at least a 1% chance of landing a spell. Aka: you will have the minimum chance of hit against PvE targets at least 11 levels higher than you, and PvP targets at least 16 levels higher.

[Vyndree]

PvP has a resist cap. PvE does not (at least, I do not believe).

My warlocks were able to kill a level 70 at the tender age of lvl 49. (resisted some dots, but not enough)
They were not, however, able to kill a level 66 mob in outlands at level 55. (almost total resists)

I think you mean Spell hit (cap) where spell hit when "capped" is 99% max in PvP/PvE environments.

Yay for informational tables:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7310/spellhitha8.jpg

At level 70, 12.6 spell hit rating is equivalent to 1% spell hit. So, since as of right now the highest mob is level 73... a caster would need (untalented) 202 hit to cap. If you're quite a few levels below your target... you will always have at least a 1% chance of landing a spell. Aka: you will have the minimum chance of hit against PvE targets at least 11 levels higher than you, and PvP targets at least 16 levels higher.

Thanks for the table, but I'm actually talking about there being a cap at which point, no matter how many levels lower you are to a person in PvP, you will still be able to land spells on them at a minimum percentage.

I'll look for a source to cite on this as I don't know the percentage off the top of my head.

[Yesh]

Thanks for the table, but I'm actually talking about there being a cap at which point, no matter how many levels lower you are to a person in PvP, you will still be able to land spells on them at a minimum percentage.

I'll look for a source to cite on this as I don't know the percentage off the top of my head.


If you're quite a few levels below your target... you will always have at least a 1% chance of landing a spell. Aka: you will have the minimum chance of hit against PvE targets at least 11 levels higher than you, and PvP targets at least 16 levels higher.

If you look at the table you'll notice that over 2 levels lower the amount of hit required to land a spell increases by 7 with each level. At anything over 16 levels lower than your target you will have a 1% chance to hit your target.

[Suvega]

I think WoWwiki is incorrect on the PvP mininum hit % for targets much lower level, as it is -definetly- higher then 1% many levels below. (greater then 16)
It's something I -could- figure out, however the thought of casting 500 spells and figuring out the percentage makes me want to /stabeyes

[Vend]

I think WoWwiki is incorrect on the PvP mininum hit % for targets much lower level, as it is -definetly- higher then 1% many levels below. (greater then 16)
It's something I -could- figure out, however the thought of casting 500 spells and figuring out the percentage makes me want to /stabeyesWoWwiki is actually correct regarding the % chance to hit with spells depending on level differences. Here's the original source of the information:

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jessorz/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpgEyonix's Spell Hit Clarification ('http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10271182')

You'll notice that the change of hit % in relation to level difference is not linear but it also doesn't lessen. Evidence from extended parses of both PvP and PvE damage between targets of extreme level difference show that on the contrary the rate at which chance to hit decays is actually more like 11% instead of 7% when the differences increase. What you're probably mistaking to be a low end hit cap above 1% at maximum level difference is actually just the effect from +hit chance talents.

Regardless of level difference, talents that increase you hit chance with spells will have full effect. For example, if you're a level 54 shadow priest and attacking a level 70 character your base chance to hit said character would be 1% without any gear or talents being accounted for. If you have no +spell hit gear, your base chance to land a spell on that person will be 11%. If you were a shaman your base chance would be 7% or 10% with Totem of Wrath. Obviously if you had a MB group of 5 shamans then your chance to hit would be 21%, which is obviously substantial enough to kill a level 70. The main thing to take away from all of this is that the system is very forgiving in that your chance to hit from gear/talents is factored in after the level deficit penalty otherwise you would be enjoying a solid 1% chance compounded by good times with the random number generator.

[Suvega]

Your source still does not give an absolute mininum for PvP targets, which I claim is greater then 1% + Hit talents + Hit on gear.

Explain to me how 5 lvl 49 targets can kill a 70? We have conclusive proof that it WORKS, you can LAND spells. Given even a gratious 10% with 1% + hit talents + hit on gear at 49 (shaman talents are pretty uber), you're talking a 5 people casting at a 10% chance of hit.

(90% miss)^5 = 60% chance that all 5 will miss.
40% chance that at least one will hit.

How long would it be the absolute maximum for 5 dots to land?
90% chance that within (4) gcd, you'll have at LEAST 5 dots.

10k health?

Come on, this is IMPOSSIBLE given a 1% hit chance.

[Vend]

this is IMPOSSIBLE

[Suvega]

this

[Vend]

is

[Yesh]

SPARTA

[Suvega]

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[Vyndree]

Explain to me how 5 lvl 49 targets can kill a 70? We have conclusive proof that it WORKS, you can LAND spells.

I'm still looking for the actual numbers on this, but yes. I have, as a warlock, counterattacked a moonfire'ing 70 druid (how do I know it was 70? Armory). From personal experience, about half of them landed -- 4 aff locks with 4/5 and one demo with no additional +hit. Gear was all SM gear. The druid DIED. I had a similar experience with a 70 shadowpriest in Un'goro (how do I know it was 70? S3 helm).

At 50, I was summoned out to the nagrand arena with a bunch of BT/sunwell geared buddies, and proceeded to dot them up as well with a bit more effectiveness. I personally dotted up Suvega's priest with at least 3 out of the 4 unstable afflictions and watched him magically turn into angelform in front of my eyes. I dotted up our guild's MT and watched him die. I dotted up my friend's mage and he had to iceblock. Same with rogues (who would just cloak of skill and pwn me before it wore off). Consistently, I could dot people up until the point that they either had to heal or die. Would ALL of my dots hit? Of course not, but the majority would -- and if I made sure CoA, Immolation, Corruption, Siphon Life, and Unstable affliction were all cast at least once, I could very easily kill someone.

After my nagrand experience, I decided not to hearth out. I was a bit cocky, and tried to attack a mid-60's talbuk. Almost NONE of my spells landed. I swiftly went oom spamming my dots every GCD and having only one hit -- I died next to a bunch of PvP'ers outside of nagrand arena who were attempting to create new arena teams. I promptly hearthed out after my failboat experience against the talbuk.

What did I learn? I can kill a level 70 -- if they're a player. I cannot kill a mid-60's PvE mob. Therefore, my conclusion? PvP players have some sort of minimum percentage that spells WILL land, whereas PvE mobs do not have >1%.

[Jaws5]

Before the patch that activated the resilance factor , my pvp team 4 locks and 1 shadow priest could kill lvl 70 hunters and rogues at 41-44. after that patch it was much harder but still doable. rogues then became a major problem and still are. but that life

i make sure 4 are soul stoned to deal with campers (oh you want to drink no cool downs , lol)