Tri-boxing for a week now. Two problems.

[acohen2007]

Hey all! I've got to admit this is one hell of an awesome community! I
never thought I'd find so much helpful info in one location! :D

I've been tri-boxing shaman for about a wek now and I've only leveled
them to 12 because I've been playing around with macros and scripts
trying to get past some issues.



1) The first issue is regarding my clones ability to follow at a decent
pace. Whenever I have the clones window up it runs at the correct
speed. As soon as it is minimized it begins to fall behind and
eventually stop following. Is there a program that allows all 3 screens
to remain maximized? How about a program that would keep my clones
window in PIP mode? If not, anyone have any ideas?



2) I've looked around and I've noticed that a lot of people have the
obvious problem of accepting/turning in quests and whatnot on their
clones. I've got a mod that auto accepts everything but the problem is
getting my toons to right-click on the NPC i'm trying to interact with.
I used autoscriptwriter to record the various mouse-button clicks and
have been successful in creating a hotkey to activate those clicks.
However, unlike my 1-9, 0, -, = hotkeys, it wont get a response from my
clones. I also undersatdn that in order for this to work all my toons
have to be in first-person which is not much of a problem because I can
move them around a bit each time before hitting my hotkey so as to get
all 3 to accept. Any suggestions?



That's pretty much it! With issue#1 out of the way I will be able to
progress much faster and the answers to issue #2 will also be utilized
for looting corpses so that I can go ahead with collection quests.
Thanks to everybody in advance! :D

[Drizzit]

1) I use keyclone (there are others out there) and i think it is great. it has a nice pip in it. Another good thing is that it has the ability to switch screens easily.
2) Keyclone has a nice feature that when you mouse over one of your pip wow screen it gets focus. Using this i get all my guys next the the quest person and then click on him on all the windows.

[acohen2007]

Wow what a fast response! Thank you! :D I'm going to give keyclone a shot and see how it works for me!

[keyclone]

howdy acohen and welcome to the forums!

if you have any questions on setting up, please feel free to drop me a note.
there are a few posts that are fairly helpful... but this one is pretty useful (post #16)
link: Keyclone!!! ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=76457#post76457')

talk to you soon,

Rob

[Drizzit]

Keyclone isn't free though :( $20 per pc, but it is for life and the Rob (the guy that made it) is always on the forums and is every helpful.

You lucked out, today someone wrote a really good write up on Octopus (i believe it is free) which is another option that you have.
Multi-boxing Part 1: Getting Started ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=9411')

I went keyclone and i think it was the best $20 i spent, but then again i never used the others. The others might have a little more programing and setting up to do. With clone i was up in 10 minutes.

Just a little hint, if you have trouble setting it something up (send Rob, keyclone, a pm if you are using keyclone) please read the wiki and sticky that are here and do a couple of searches. Cause people tend to get a little mad when the same question is asked for the 100th time.

[-silencer-]

1) KeyClone is the easiest solution. I personally use Maximizer (to fit all the windows on my displays) & AutoHotKey (key broadcasting) though - I set up my solution before I knew about KeyClone, and I'm happy with it. KeyClone looks MUCH easier for a non-tech person to use, since editing AHK requires a little learning of the script language, and Maximizer can be a little troublesome to set up the first time too.

2) I use the /script AcceptQuest() macro for accepting quests and just click in each window to talk to quest-givers/NPCs. You *should* be able to target the NPC by /target Party1target, then use the /script GetGossipActiveQuests(); macro to get the text speech for a quest you're ready to complete. Then use the /script AcceptQuest(); macro to complete it. The only problem I see is if you're given a choice of quest rewards, or there are multiple quests to turn in and there's an option of which one. SelectGossipActiveQuest(index) could solve the multiple quest issue. You could use GetQuestReward(index) to select the quest reward, but that's something you probably *don't* want to be done automatically for all the characters anyway.

[BobGnarly]

Hey all! I've got to admit this is one hell of an awesome community! I
never thought I'd find so much helpful info in one location! :D

Welcome, and thank you for reading a little before asking questions.


1) The first issue is regarding my clones ability to follow at a decent
pace. Whenever I have the clones window up it runs at the correct
speed. As soon as it is minimized it begins to fall behind and
eventually stop following. Is there a program that allows all 3 screens
to remain maximized? How about a program that would keep my clones
window in PIP mode? If not, anyone have any ideas?

You have to keep the windows non-minimized or windows will drop their priorities waaay down. If you want to do this anyway (I'd just recommend backgrounding them), I *think* you can get what you want by right clicking on the task in the task manager and forcing a priority there. Or at least that's what I read once by somebody attempting to do the same thing (no personal experience). :)


2) I've looked around and I've noticed that a lot of people have the
obvious problem of accepting/turning in quests and whatnot on their
clones. I've got a mod that auto accepts everything but the problem is
getting my toons to right-click on the NPC i'm trying to interact with.
I used autoscriptwriter to record the various mouse-button clicks and
have been successful in creating a hotkey to activate those clicks.
However, unlike my 1-9, 0, -, = hotkeys, it wont get a response from my
clones. I also undersatdn that in order for this to work all my toons
have to be in first-person which is not much of a problem because I can
move them around a bit each time before hitting my hotkey so as to get
all 3 to accept. Any suggestions?

Not sure about scripting this, but I can tell you that if you have and auto-accept mod (so you just get the quest with main and share it - which is then auto-accepted), the turn in part isn't too bad if you *don't* have your windows minimized. I've gotten pretty used to just mousing over and right clicking on the quest guy once in a while.


That's pretty much it! With issue#1 out of the way I will be able to
progress much faster and the answers to issue #2 will also be utilized
for looting corpses so that I can go ahead with collection quests.
Thanks to everybody in advance! :D

You can actually get away without doing collection quests, if you want - there are enough non-collection quests to level. If you want to do them for whatever reason, and figure out a way to get a macro-driven mechanism in place (that doesn't use third party software, at least for me), then please do share. :)

[brontes]

Keyclone is great, but beware of the draconian DRM. It phones home on every launch for authentication. Keyclone server goes down? Your SOL.

Great program, the DRM kills me though.

[-silencer-]

Keyclone is great, but beware of the draconian DRM. It phones home on every launch for authentication. Keyclone server goes down? Your SOL.

Great program, the DRM kills me though.
What DRM is used? ViaTech? I bought a baseball sim that uses Via Tech and it was a hassle to get it registered again if a hard drive went down or I forgot to un-register it before reformatting (which I do often).
As a software engineer, I totally understand the reason for protecting your investment and letting someone else handle the transactions and licensing, but it can be a headache at times compared to just installing from a CD.

[brontes]

What DRM is used?




yes. your license allows you to move your activation to whatever machine you wish... but that process is a manual one, and requires interaction on my part (in other words, it could take a day or 2). contact me with your old system id, new system id, and your email address you used with paypal. once i have those, i will invalidate your old license and activate your new one.

Hope he never goes on vacation.



if you change your hardware, re-install your OS, or get a new machine, odds are good that your keyclone system-id will change. when that happens, your keyclone will pop-up as expired. this is due to the new system-id not being activated.

See above. Hope you don't want to reformat or upgrade your computer. Worse than Windows' call-in-to-reactivate garbage.

[keyclone]

here comes the FUD

Great program, the DRM kills me though. you mean like wow.exe ? it 'phones home' every second... since you are connected to their servers
Hope he never goes on vacation. i haven't in 20 years... thanks for the concern.

and if you are reformatting your machine weekly, i think transferring your keyclone license would be the least of your concerns

[brontes]

here comes the FUD

Great program, the DRM kills me though. you mean like wow.exe ? it 'phones home' every second... since you are connected to their servers
Hope he never goes on vacation. i haven't in 20 years... thanks for the concern.
and if you are reformatting your machine weekly, i think transferring your keyclone license would be the least of your concerns

There is no reason an application that has nothing to do with the internet should be accessing it. It is not an internet application. It is single-PC or LAN.

Relying on user intervention to "re-allow" you to use something you paid for is just wrong, regardless. I shouldn't have to "get permission" at any sort of interval to use software I've paid for.

This is why piracy is rampant amongst primarily the gaming PC sector. So much nonsense that inconveniences the paying user.. or you could go the alternate route and get the game with none of the garbage and none of the hassles.

KeyClone itself is an excellent program, it is just a shame that it comes with such a lousy "activation" scheme.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

lol...just wait until all your productivity apps are web-based (100% activation every time you launch the apps). :P

[brontes]

lol...just wait until all your productivity apps are web-based

Then they legitimately use the internet. They are accessible from any computer I happen to be on. There is no "activation." They'll Just Work. They won't randomly break if I decide to switch computers or reformat. Web apps worth using will certainly use multiple datacenters for redundancy. They'll never be inaccessible. (eg, google docs)

Apples and oranges between web apps and keyclone, I'd say.

edit: Ahh sorry, I apologize for completely derailing the thread. And in all honestly, keyclone would solve OP's problem #1 and indirectly solve problem #2.

[keyclone]

*pssst*

web apps will require you to log in and have an active, yearly, subscription in order to use them.

so... you're saying i should do this with keyclone?

and btw... who says keyclone doesn't work with the internet? sure it does. (i'll leave the 'how' up to you...)

edit: LAN and WAN .. no real difference, besides latency

[Care]

Hi everyone,
first post I'm making here ;-)

Anyway regarding the keyclone verification system. In my old Ultima Online days I recall a program called UOAssist, which used the same principle but was liked to the unique UO-Game id rather than the PC id. Which means, it was easy transferable because was linked by account. Now I don't know much about the technical details behind WOW but wouldn't it be possible to extract some kind of unique ID based on your WOW account? If so, perhaps you could set up client side key check which was calculated for that specific account upon regristration.

[Krumbly]

You should also consider HotKeyNet....Free at the moment

Great support, good community and fast developing.


Used to be a bit painful to setup, but now it is much much easier, not quite zero effort but approaching it.

Handles mouse clicks broadcast

[Drizzit]

Keyclone server goes down?

For the 2 months that i have been boxing keyclone has only gone down 3 times. The problem isn't with keyclone it was that i wasn't connected to the internet, which wasn't a problem if i cannot connect i cannot play wow, but other then user error i haven't had any connection problems with keyclone. If there ever was, rob, would let us know before it even happens.

Rob are you using a third party to check the license or your own computer. If it is your computer when was the last time it was rebooted lol.

[keyclone]

UOAssist: wouldn't it be possible to extract some kind of unique ID based on your WOW account? not exactly. UOAssist played with the TCP stream... and was able to recognize when UO was logged in. blizzard would flip if i did that. besides, which account would it hook to? i run mine with 5 wow accounts running on the same machine at the same time.
Rob are you using a third party to check the license or your own computer. If it is your computer when was the last time it was rebooted lol. ?( i paid big money for the OS on this computer (and the 3 others)... and moving it to another machine is iffy. they also track the system-id (or whatever microsoft calls it) and attach guids to them. those guids are in every word doc and excel sheet you create... so they can track which machine a doc came from (i believe the guids may also be embedded in the .net produced code). and if i tried to change my motherboard / cpu... the OS would just stop working and would require a full re-install, which would lose all my registry settings.

and don't forget, wow checks your account every time you log in. so does yahoo, icq, aim, and even vent. only difference here is, i'm not requiring a log in


You should also consider HotKeyNet....Free at the moment if you don't like keyclone verifying itself once at startup, then you won't like HKN's constant calling home (every couple of minutes)
and if you don't like paying for keyclone once, then you really wouldn't like paying $3.95 for HKN every month.. which is the plan once they get enough users using it (another reason to call home every few minutes)

oh, and don't forget the bit about how it could get your accounts banned...

[Syro]

For quests and the like, I love the MultiBoxer addon. Open up the dialog window with each toon and from your main it'll push down your choices to the others, very handy. It'll also automatically accept quest shares from people in the friends list.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Addon:Multiboxer ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Addon:Multiboxer%20')

[acohen2007]

Thank you to everyone who responded! You're all awesome. I like the
sound of keyclone but I gave octopus a try since it's free. (I sort of
see myself switching over to keyclone since octopus is being gay) I'm
having some trouble getting octopus to run though. Does anybody know of
any discrepencies in the tutorial listed at
http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Octopus_Tutorial? I went
through it step by step by still can't seem to make it work. Any
suggestions? I'm just pretty much done with AHK. I'm not much of a fan.
Thanks in advance! :D