Stop hating the singleboxers please

[RobinGBrown]

I've noticed there is an awful lot of hate for people who complain about multiboxing on the WoW forums, and a lot of badmouthing on these forums too.

As multiboxers have a distinct advantage over singleboxers in many situations, it would show better decorum to be polite and understanding of other's grievances rather than treating them like diseased retards:

'This guy is completely retarded. Do yourself a favor and don't try to rationalize with the guy, he'll only frustrate you more and more until you realize he isn't after the truth, he's just QQ'ing out of jealousy or wtf/e his emo problem is.'

'Wow! It's been a while since I've seen such a jumped-up, self-important windbag have that sort of impotent, foot-stamping rant on the forums. Very entertaining.'

'Precisely, this is just another awesome way for us to piss on the parade of the haters.'

While impassioned the above comments are not going to win people over to tolerating multiboxing, regardless of Blizzard's position.

Multiboxers are a minority, and although we need to stick up for ourselves, to do so in a rude manner invites even more hatred. Many people cannot distinguish between multiboxers and botters and educating them in a sensitive manner should be something all multiboxers have in mind.

If we want to show that multiboxing is a fair and valid choice for playing World of Warcraft then we need to do so in a polite and friendly manner, and by showing a good example of sportsmanship and an appreciation of fair play at all times.

[Elektric]

Well I must say on the moral High ground you're right.

But the cheap shots we take in trade channel, on the forums, and the constant level 1 whispers burn at our tolerance.

Just last night there were a minority of people saying how playing 4 toons on one account wasn't fair in my realms trade channel. Apparently I smacked them down in the arena and they were upset. I kindly explained that what I was doing. I could've stopped there but I couldn't resist...

"/2 This Channel is for trade only plz take your opinions elsewhere, because I WTS 5v5 losses."

I though it was cute, and apparently the rest of the Horde agreed. People where /cheer'ing me everywhere I went. Not that I think Im great or that I was right but I do think I've earned a good reputation from treating people kindly and responding to they're tiring "WTF?!? HOW???" whispers. And every once in a while I think the MINORITY of bumholes deserves a smackdown in the arena and in trade channel.

I dont HATE singleboxers, I HATE ignorance.

[Anozireth]

Multiboxing has been explained and verified so many times that anyone who knows what the term means (as most of the whiners do) has no excuse to keep complaining. The incessant whiners are a very small percentage who, at this point, are doing nothing but trolling on the forums and deserve all the shit we can pile on.

Edit: If someone clearly doesn't know what they just saw, then sure, give them the nice explanation first. But as soon as I see the term multiboxing, I assume they know about it, and it's on.

[keyclone]

i like to /point and /say Ni Hao! x 5

[Tdog]

LOL okay I'm sorry but when I get some jackass out of the clear blue that has never once ever come into contact with me and I have never once harmed whispers me (preemptively putting me on ignore) with this message, "Wow you fucking loser you need to get a life and go get fucking laid. You are so fucking pathetic it makes me sick. You must think you are the shit but you are just full of fail. Go get laid LOSER!!!"

-Then less than one minute later-

"What did you not hear me the first time? YOU'RE A FAILURE!!! It really takes alot of skill to have more time then everyone else right? You think you're special? Cuz you're not, you're just a stupid loser who will never get laid. Go get laid you loser!"

And that is almost completely verbatim of what someone msg'ed me not too long ago. So no, to these people I will not be nice or tolerant or try to help them understand anything in anyway. They do not deserve my time, or the courtesy of a civil and rational tongue.

[keyclone]

just respond in chinese...

that usually really hacks them off :D

[Tdog]

I also just want to say it's not about us hating on single boxers, that would just be rediculous and hypocritical as we were all single boxers at one time or another. It's about us being tired of pompus jackasses that come to the forums all butthurt about whatever, and flaming all of us for ridiculous reasons.

[Shiena]

Actually the best thing to do whenever a multiboxing flame appears on the boards is to reply once with a pre-made post template that links to the US forums and the official blue posts on multiboxing and then no multiboxer should reply again. People will always think and read what they want. Even if the get to read in blue that boxing is allowed, they still will continue claiming that it would be cheating, etc.

[Anozireth]

Even if the get to read in blue that boxing is allowed, they still will continue claiming that it would be cheating, etc.At which point they are simply trolling and deserve to be flamed.

[Tdog]

just respond in chinese...

that usually really hacks them off :DI just completely ignore them anymore. Pretty much since that person messaged me with what I said in my above post. I was going to jump on another toon and tell him off but then it finally occurred to me that it wouldn't matter what I said, you're just not going to get through to some people and tbh I didn't buy this game to give people lessons in socializing. I bought this game to have fun and I'm not going to let people like this ruin my gametime.

[Aradar]

I had a pretty good one this weekend:

Guy says "tard" "multibox" in say, separate lines. I whisper him "What kind of loser are you that you find it necessary to insult me for the way I choose to play a game?" He immediately responds "the best kind of loser". I have to admit I laughed at this and responded "lol, i have to admit that was pretty good" but he didn't respond.

[Old Dirty Bathtub]

You're point is a valid one in most circumstances. It is always more constructive to enter into a dialogue with someone who holds a conflicting belief than it is to condemn him or her as an idiot.

However, have you read the big multiboxing QQ threads? The people we're talking about are not interested in resolving an issue or learning; they don't want to have a dialogue or conduct a debate. They hate multiboxing and they want everyone to share their beliefs. They argue with the blues and refuse to accept well-settled decisions. They specialize in ad hominem attacks and indefensible generalizations.

These are the same people who follow us around in-game swearing at us, harassing us, reporting us, and spamming /spit at us. They accuse us of cheating, hacking, gold farming, and character selling.They are unquenchable, seething cauldrons of rage who can't stand the thought that someone somewhere may be doing something they don't like. They will not be satisfied with anything short of the complete removal of the play style we all enjoy.

We treat these people like arrogant, socially stunted jerks because that is exactly what they are (or at least what they present themselves to be).

No one here hates all single-boxers. I'm positive that all of us have more single-boxing friends than multiboxing friends. There are plenty of folks on the WoW forums who don't really like multiboxing but realize that Blizzard allows it and that it doesn't really affect them too much. No one here takes exception to them either.

The people we target are the hardcore forum haters. It may be better, more decorous, to ignore them or engage them politely. Lashing out at them in the ways you have illustrated above is at best pointless; it can never advance our cause and it will probably fuel the haters to be more vocal and more vicious. But we are all human too--sometimes we need to let off some steam, and I think it is far better to do so here than to stage a more public display on the WoW forums.

[Sina]

i had a funny little run in with some QQr's today

they complained and complained then i offered one of them a spot on my 5v5 and there was an INSTANT change of pace....

just dangel the candy infront of them.... they shut up



edit: i hate all singel boxers.... they are such Imbalanced rediculasly easy bullshit iv ever seen. Blizzard needs to remove single skill usage or take away 10 points in your talent tree if you play only ONE account....... Ignorant aholes.

[Marathon]

I dont hate single boxers. I try to be nice to people in game. I invite them to my groups even though I know they are just going to leave as soon as they are done collectiing whatever they need. I even run random people through instances with my pally when I am leveling my shammies if they ask and let them take whatever loot they want except the BOE blues that I generally sell in AH to make up for repair bills. And if a person ask a question I generally do my best to explain to them what I am doing. Forexample, I tell them I have 5 accounts and I use Keyclone etc ....

Yet I cant tell you how many times random people just out of the blue start cursing me or call me a loser etc when I have done or said nothing at all to them or anybody else. Hell I am on pvp server and I dont even mess with the oppistie fraction unless I am attacked 1st. I mean I generally try to be a nice guy about everything.

But bottom line is I am getting tired, as I am sure alot of people are, of being harressed in game by random people that I dont know or I have done or said nothing to.

[Syro]

I usually don't respond to haters, I just report them five times if they get ornery. :p

To the really inquisitive people I explain a little of how it works and point them to this site.

[Drizzit]

get laid

I think he wants you :love:

[keyclone]

I also just want to say it's not about us hating on single boxers, that would just be rediculous and hypocritical as we were all single boxers at one time or another.the difference between solo and multi-box... is also the difference between walking on all fours and standing up right.

:D

[-silencer-]

LOL okay I'm sorry but when I get some jackass out of the clear blue that has never once ever come into contact with me and I have never once harmed whispers me (preemptively putting me on ignore) with this message, "Wow you fucking loser you need to get a life and go get fucking laid. You are so fucking pathetic it makes me sick. You must think you are the shit but you are just full of fail. Go get laid LOSER!!!"

-Then less than one minute later-

"What did you not hear me the first time? YOU'RE A FAILURE!!! It really takes alot of skill to have more time then everyone else right? You think you're special? Cuz you're not, you're just a stupid loser who will never get laid. Go get laid you loser!"

And that is almost completely verbatim of what someone msg'ed me not too long ago. So no, to these people I will not be nice or tolerant or try to help them understand anything in anyway. They do not deserve my time, or the courtesy of a civil and rational tongue.
I'm cool and try to educate most people who start out of the gate questioning my ethics. However, once someone starts directly cussing me out in whispers, it's an immediate /report. It should be easy for a GM to pull up chat logs, so I hope they enjoy 3-day bans. The only way people are going to stop harassing us is if it affects their ability to even log in. Report anyone who stoops to a /w assault on your ears in a way that breaks ToS - directed profanity.

[Drizzit]

I also just want to say it's not about us hating on single boxers, that would just be rediculous and hypocritical as we were all single boxers at one time or another.

I still single box now. It isn't my fault i am cheap and don't want to get another computer box :thumbup:
1 box just 5 accounts on it lol :pinch:

[blast3r]

I spend a lot of time in-game explaining multiboxing to people. To a point it really slows me down sometimes. However, when I go to the wow forums and see an idiot post I will speak my mind. Afterall, my clones may be part of the collective but us multiboxers are not. We are all individuals. Maybe to me it is like how you feel when you get ganked and get revenge. Kill me I will kill 10 of you. :) who knows.

[Korruptor]

just respond in chinese...

that usually really hacks them off :DI just completely ignore them anymore. ~This is my rule as well. If you speak to them it simply draws you into it further but if you don't respond they have no where to go with it and I find it typically dies faster. It also becomes very clear cut if you never respond and the harassment becomes petitionable. They review the logs and see it is all one-way harassment.

On rare occasions I will mock people though, like that punk Paladin that harassed me for around 2 hours in shimmering flats a while back.

[BobGnarly]

While I don't entirely disagree with you that some people here can tend a little towards hypocrisy at times, the thing that I think you need to understand is that they are attacking us first.

Yes, we should still take the higher ground and not stoop to their level, but if you want to take somebody to task, I would suggest the people who are stirring the crap in the first place.

[keyclone]

these problems were easily resolved in UO.. prior to the trammel/felluca split.
if someone acted rudely or was an ass in general... you'd just kill them and loot them bare.

oh i miss those days

http://solidice.com/uocopilot/uologo3d.gif sten of Lake Superior

[-silencer-]

if someone acted rudely or was an ass in general... you'd just kill them and loot them bare.

oh i miss those days

Street justice works.. there are times when I wish WoW had it.

[Deshu]

My boxers are still lower level (30's) so I haven't had much contact to the volume of players out there however... I've only come across 1 QQ'er and he called me out in Gen chat in Ashenvale saying I was a botter. Before I could respond someone I didn't know, didn't met said "He's multiboxing, it's not against EULA and while I would never mutibox, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just a preference.". I thought it was really cool that my first encounter with a QQ'er was defended by a stranger.

I took the advice of others on these forums when I created my boxers and I took some time to macro out a few simple formations. I find that when I entertain the people following me, the outcome is one of positive vibes and not negative energy. I will bow, wave, dance cheer, or flirt all at once and they response 99 out of 100 times is "LOL". I've had more than a few people stop, stare and say "I love you guys!" and move on... always cool!

I dunno, maybe I'm just fortunate... or maybe I've got some awakening time ahead of me. Could be that because I'm in <The Zerg> on Magtheridon that people there already know of boxing and have accepted it?

[bugilt]

these problems were easily resolved in UO.. prior to the trammel/felluca split.
if someone acted rudely or was an ass in general... you'd just kill them and loot them bare.

oh i miss those days

http://solidice.com/uocopilot/uologo3d.gif sten of Lake Superior

I miss some aspects of UO. Before they made new deeds. I would break into houses with a rune,portal,and some flour bags. Then they added a wall underneath the door. :p

[blast3r]

My boxers are still lower level (30's) so I haven't had much contact to the volume of players out there however... I've only come across 1 QQ'er and he called me out in Gen chat in Ashenvale saying I was a botter. Before I could respond someone I didn't know, didn't met said "He's multiboxing, it's not against EULA and while I would never mutibox, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just a preference.". I thought it was really cool that my first encounter with a QQ'er was defended by a stranger.

I took the advice of others on these forums when I created my boxers and I took some time to macro out a few simple formations. I find that when I entertain the people following me, the outcome is one of positive vibes and not negative energy. I will bow, wave, dance cheer, or flirt all at once and they response 99 out of 100 times is "LOL". I've had more than a few people stop, stare and say "I love you guys!" and move on... always cool!

I dunno, maybe I'm just fortunate... or maybe I've got some awakening time ahead of me. Could be that because I'm in <The Zerg> on Magtheridon that people there already know of boxing and have accepted it?

I do this a lot as well. Looks really cool to spread out in formation and drop 16 totems. Then change to ghost wolf form and dance. People ususally love it. I feel doing that is a good investment of my time in building a sort of relationship with folks on my server. And I usually get one of just about every buff you can get. hehe.. And just this morning while running my new warlock crew around I ran into two people I talked to on a couple of occasions with the shaman/pally group. Always nice and offering to help, etc. One player asked me if I wanted 5 pairs of pants and another came up and gave me cloth because they knew I was getting my tailoring started. I am really starting to like Archimonde! Feeling very comfy and like a home. There are still assholes but they are fewer and fewer. And the warcraft forums. I normally choose to slam an idiot/moron but that is just my personal preference!

[Wilbur]

Fuck 'em

[Ðeceased]

I don't think any of us hate singleboxers as a rule.. how would 99% of us be in a guild/have any ingame friends if that were the case.

any ill feeling is mostly reactionary (as pointed out numerously) to an initial attack on us, whether personally of to the community as a whole.

Yes, it would be great if we take the high road every time, not enter in any flame war or whatnot, but you have to be a little realistic. It would either take someone with the patience surpassing that what is humanly possible (or a masochist :pinch: ) to never get enraged, frustrated, aggravated or at the very least feel resentment towards them, when these people throw this stuff at us.

I have been relatively lucky thus far not to receive many /ws, blatantly harassing me (the ones that I have, have been most unpleasant), but I know for a fact that many here do, receive whispers, regularly at that.

It isn't resentment for singleboxers tbh. It's resentment toward the malevolent and intolerant. Yes we are intolerant too, to an extent in doing so :P but there is a difference.

Intolerance of any acceptable behaviour is a bad thing (acceptable in the eyes of a qualified judge - in this case Blizz)
Intolerance of unacceptable behaviour is a good thing (imo anyway - and it obviously depends on the severity)

[Ðeceased]

Fuck 'em

or this :P

[Drizzit]

Fuck 'em

Only if they are female and have a pulse. ;)

[Ðeceased]

I dunno, maybe I'm just fortunate... or maybe I've got some awakening time ahead of me. Could be that because I'm in <The Zerg> on Magtheridon that people there already know of boxing and have accepted it?

I've found most of the agro comes in the mid 60s :S

[Mac]

Yesterday I noticed trade chat as I was leaving UC...

randomtradechannelhater1: "omg multibox cheater has 5 shaman!"
randomtradechannelguy1: " multi-boxers is old news qq more noob"
mytoon1: "lol"
mytoon2: "lol"
mytoon3: "lol
mytoon4: "lol"
mytoon5: "lol"
randomtradechannelguy2: "O_o"
randomtradechannelguy3: "pwnd"
randomtradechannelguy4: "LOL"
randomtradechannelguy5: /cheer

I left chuckling to myself and went got my 5th and final shield from Mograine :)

I have to say that I'm happy I get more positive stuff then negative for the most part so far, but I'm only lvl 40 so far, so it seems to be more a novelty for people then anything.

[Drakkun]

I love being in 2 communities that others hate and call illegal even though the authorities say its allowed...

Multiboxing and lane sharing motorcycle rider in LA

I feel the hate almost equally in both of these communities. It just reaffirms that I should continue to enjoy what I am doing.

[Mac]

I love being in 2 communities that others hate and call illegal even though the authorities say its allowed...

Multiboxing and lane sharing motorcycle rider in LA

I feel the hate almost equally in both of these communities. It just reaffirms that I should continue to enjoy what I am doing.taffic sucks, lane splitting FTW :thumbsup:

[Ughmahedhurtz]

You're point is a valid one in most circumstances. It is always more constructive to enter into a dialogue with someone who holds a conflicting belief than it is to condemn him or her as an idiot.

However, have you read the big multiboxing QQ threads? The people we're talking about are not interested in resolving an issue or learning; they don't want to have a dialogue or conduct a debate. They hate multiboxing and they want everyone to share their beliefs. They argue with the blues and refuse to accept well-settled decisions. They specialize in ad hominem attacks and indefensible generalizations.

These are the same people who follow us around in-game swearing at us, harassing us, reporting us, and spamming /spit at us. They accuse us of cheating, hacking, gold farming, and character selling.They are unquenchable, seething cauldrons of rage who can't stand the thought that someone somewhere may be doing something they don't like. They will not be satisfied with anything short of the complete removal of the play style we all enjoy.

We treat these people like arrogant, socially stunted jerks because that is exactly what they are (or at least what they present themselves to be).

No one here hates all single-boxers. I'm positive that all of us have more single-boxing friends than multiboxing friends. There are plenty of folks on the WoW forums who don't really like multiboxing but realize that Blizzard allows it and that it doesn't really affect them too much. No one here takes exception to them either.

The people we target are the hardcore forum haters. It may be better, more decorous, to ignore them or engage them politely. Lashing out at them in the ways you have illustrated above is at best pointless; it can never advance our cause and it will probably fuel the haters to be more vocal and more vicious. But we are all human too--sometimes we need to let off some steam, and I think it is far better to do so here than to stage a more public display on the WoW forums.Q. F. T.

[OzPhoenix]

Well, I guess this is just a case of adding my 2 copper to the chorus.

Like most everyone else here, I am the only person in my circle of wow-friends who is a multiboxer. Not only don't I hate 'em, but I plan on dropping a single, rotated shaman out on many of my heroic runs so that they can join me in badging up.

Being a relatively new multiboxer, leveling my first team, I've always taken the time to stop and explain to anyone interested in talking about it sensibly. I've put on shows for people following me, I help out regularly whenever someone is in general looking for a group for this or that elite, and I think I've built up quite a good reputation for us multiboxers on my server.

This was evidenced just a few days ago when someone started abusing me in general while I was in Nagrand, and they got shot down by several other people, none of whom were themselves multiboxers, but all of whom understood and accepted it (including one guy who I'd just helped with the final nesingway quest who was VERY vocal in supporting me...lol).

However, I've also been around long enough now to get the other type. The childish, arrogant, intolerant and highly abusive types who send filth-riddled whispers then immediately /ignore me, many of whom create level 1 alts like "youraloser" etc to do it with. While I always try to talk to reasonable people, these types just get /ignored /reported asap. Most of the forum posts in WoW General are from this second type, which is why you'll see quite a bit of counter-flaming, even if (as I do agree) it's not particularly helpful.

[Gigatron]

I think single boxers need to get a life. They only have one account, so they must be a loser with no life, crappy job and no friends. Maybe get a better freaking job and maybe the chicks might like you!!! WTF, You can't afford $75 a month, then how do you expect to take a chick out to dinner??!!! Amirite?

:D

[Bradster]

You know what would be the PERFECT thing? A add-on just for this kind of stuff.

Someone sends you a tell. They receive the following.
Reply back with the following:
Press 1: To ask me general questions or request help with something
Press 2: To flame me.
Press 3: For friends only.

If they press 3, they require to type in a password that you set to give out to friends. Option 1 and 2 can be turned on and off, if On a pretyped message is send back and they are unable to reach you, you don’t see any of the tell requests, all they get is your message.


Tell me how AWESOME would a addon like that be? If only I knew how to code :(

[Yamio]

It's completely unrealistic to think we should be nice to people who curse us, spit on us and generally treat us totally opposite of how they would treat us if we were to meet in RL. No offense, but you're talking moral high ground in a VIDEO GAME? Get a friggin grip!! The only moral high ground in a VIDEO GAME is when you see someone flagged and you don't kill him.

If this were the 1960's and we were involved in the civil rights movement then yes....we should turn the other cheek. But since we're in the 21st century in a VIDEO GAME, the only cheek turning will be me showing a hater my ass. I'll even tell him that I'm "bending over and cracking a smile" as pleasantly as I can.

Moral high ground? Puh-leeeze!

[Gadzooks]

I've gone through several stages with this issue - I started out in full flame mode, because I don't like being accused of cheating or selling gold or accounts.

The I went into amusement mode, where I would poke the QQer with sticks.

Then, I realized, it's the same thing, different thread. I don't even read all of them anymore. IF someone is talking about them reasonably, I will chat about it. Otherwise, I just don't care anymore. I found myself running out of care halfway through a response to them, now I just read, laugh, and go back to leveling my teams.

I started mbing because the average player, at least on my server, is an immature cyberbully with poor anger control and a puffed up sense of self esteem from playing a video game. I avoid interacting with them, as a rule. The idea of running a random pug still sets my teeth on edge, lol.


So yeah, I do actually hate the average one-boxer. But I'm not to intent on sharing my opinions anymore, on the WoW forums. Most of the people that post there are morons, and most of the people I know in-game never read them anyway, because they're all morons. My hunch is that most of the trolls on the forums are the players that guildies tell to stop fucking spamming guild chat with useless chit chat.

[Basilikos]

Really, I only respond when there is an actual argument being made. After that, I start getting nasty if they flame. Plain and simple.

[Tasty]

just respond in chinese...

that usually really hacks them off :DTo the point where they instantly respond with 'F@$% off' and then you proceed to open a ticket and they get a 2 day ban :p

[Chaosomega]

It has been a real treat playing on Smolderthorn server because there is a fellow MB'er on the server thats level 62 and 4 hunters. He is a really likable guy, will explain MB to everyone everytime someone asks (sorry i cant remeber his name).

Because of him is why i started to mulitbox actually, havent seen him around (but... Id love to do khara just need 2 healer and tank!)

Anyhow, becuase of him the Smolderthorn server has really enjoyed fellow multi-boxers. Now that i am on Smolderthorn, i feel the need to represent multi-boxers so im polite to everyone. Ill give them all a show (3 rogues, stealth, formations, jumps, dance, etc.). Its been a pleasure to multibox.

Lastly, i have been offered to the best of the guild on the server just because i multi-box! The people see the multi-boxers as skilled players, and "assests" to the alliance. When i created my 3 rogues, i got an offer from a guild that clears through SSC :D. Its a blast on smolderthorn,

Sorry to hear you guys and all those Aholes out there :-(

[SilverSlice]

It has been a real treat playing on Smolderthorn server because there is a fellow MB'er on the server thats level 62 and 4 hunters. He is a really likable guy, will explain MB to everyone everytime someone asks (sorry i cant remeber his name).

Because of him is why i started to mulitbox actually, havent seen him around (but... Id love to do khara just need 2 healer and tank!)

Anyhow, becuase of him the Smolderthorn server has really enjoyed fellow multi-boxers. Now that i am on Smolderthorn, i feel the need to represent multi-boxers so im polite to everyone. Ill give them all a show (3 rogues, stealth, formations, jumps, dance, etc.). Its been a pleasure to multibox.

Lastly, i have been offered to the best of the guild on the server just because i multi-box! The people see the multi-boxers as skilled players, and "assests" to the alliance. When i created my 3 rogues, i got an offer from a guild that clears through SSC :D. Its a blast on smolderthorn,

Sorry to hear you guys and all those Aholes out there :-(

first question just have to be 3x whispers open the box, or peeps who just open up a trade vindoe with you on your slaves and so on :)

and gratz with the offer to join a guild like that :) sounds like that server is a enjoyable place to box

Silver

[moog]

Today's "whinge of the day" on the EU forums provides yet more evidence as to why the vocal minority against MBing don't deserve anything but contempt!

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4271898112&sid=1

I'll pull out some quotes here as these threads tend to be deleted eventually...


ofc multi boxing is illegal, it uses 3rd party software, blizzard just closes eyes because it's extra $$$$

As a conclusion, it takes massive amount of time and money to l2multibox and actually do it. And you have to admit it - people that multibox deserve to own in PvP. It might be not because of skill (multiboxing does require a certain amount of various skills tbh) but because people that do it spend TONS of money for it and they also most probably lack soical skills and so on.. I mean you have to have no real life if you spend so much effort, time and money for such a thing.

It's also hilarious imagining the level of lifeless-ness those dorks would have to have to level to 70 6 identical characters on the same server.
I salute your dedication in destroying your life.
edit: which brings us to the conclusion, they probably bought them didn't they. the whole thing stinks.

the level of lameness needed to play as a multiboxers surely allows the extra lameness of just buying accounts off ebay.

I'm amazed over the weak responses on this board about multi-boxing. Really, anyone defending it must either be a complete ignorant fool or a multi-boxer themself. I've played some older MMOs before WoW and i'm disgusted whenever i see a mutli-boxer cause it looks exactly like the botting farmers did in other MMOs, only that the tards in WoW limit themself to 3 classes, all of the same, and instead of making YEN its main use is in the BG's which has become an insignificant part of the game.

Just came across my first multiboxer in WSG...elemental shammy hitting you with 4 chain lightinings at once is not fun..
The fact that some saddo has to level in 4-5 diferent accounts to get his kicks is not my concern but the whole concept is against the spirit of the game.

Exactly. They delete everything concerning multi-boxers but we just have to make a stand now. It SUCKS. Not only do people who use it get to level WAY easier then normal players, they completly ruin pvp as well. And its totally legal! I reported someone who was playing 4 shadowpriests at a time and got 700 kills a day, easily. Try to solo 4 shadowpriests, goodluck.

It's not fair! It's not fair, its not fair, its not fair! And it's totally legal. I even got berated by a GM for reporting this person... helloooo?

every player can build a twink, very few players can multibox (unfair)
twinking is just getting boosted by a guild, multiboxing is just paying (like buying 1000g from a gold spammer)
twinks knows how to play, multiboxers just hit the lame "you-die" combo (frustrating)
twinks speed up bgs, multiboxers slow down them (I just had one more with him and it lasted 1h again)
twinks abuse of game mechanics tweaking their pg, multiboxers just play in an absurd way

The question is: how many unhappy customers are needed to make Blizzard change its mind?

[Gadzooks]

"They delete everything concerning multi-boxers but we just have to make a stand now"


Oh, they're going to take on the lead devs and force them to change the policy?


They have a better chance at a class action lawsuit.<rolls eyes>


They're openly declaring their intent to continue to kick up a fuss on the US forums too. That'll get them far. Wait, lemme get some popcorn and diet coke before you start your precious little rebellion!


It's not even like they're saying they lost a drake because of a MB team. They're complaining about getting killed in a BG, which is pretty much what you DO in a BG. I played a rogue in the 70 level BGs starting with quest/ah specials, and fought my way to a full S1 set. Did I sit there and whine that an S2 geared warrior would slice me to ribbons 6, 7 times a match, or locks were dotting me to death in an instant? Of course not! My Irish warrior ancestors would haunt my ass forever if I did that.


You know what is most likely, these guys are pissed because they actually had to fight. Who gets pissed if they die? It's not like you get huge repair bills, or lose out on gear, or anything like that. So you lose buffs and any pots you drank. Big whoop! You get up, and run down the hill again and see who survives! That's the actual FUN of pvp! If you ain't dyin', you ain't tryin'!


Who wants "equality" in a BG, anyway? I want EPIC fights against desperate odds, so when I do win, it feels GREAT.


These whiners, they must have gone to those idiotic schools that outlawed winning, where both teams got a trophy regardless of who won. What a bunch of pussies this country is raising, and it's spreading to Europe! The heroic warrior ancestors of those whining players on the EU forums are spinning in their graves at 40,000rpm at their sniveling, I swear! :)

[Otlecs]

I'm in the minority here, coming from Europe, which means I often don't get a chance to respond in a meaningful fashion to threads that develop "overnight".

I will usually take time to read the thread, work out whether anyone else has already asserted my point of view and then let it lie if I feel I have nothing to add.

With that said, I'm off to a meeting in 20 minutes and I feel absolutely compelled to respond here before that, so apologies in advance if I'm stating an obvious point that's already been raised in the many responses to date.

So...

Absolutely none of the comments you have quoted in ANY WAY show hatred towards single boxers. To suggest that is entirely fatuous.

They show disdain towards the ignorant individuals who insist on persecuting us for our choice of playstyle, and continually insist that Blizzard - who make the rules - are wrong.

Nobody here has ever attacked anybody for putting up a well constructed argument about how multiboxing gives an advantage, and why they think - in their personal opinion - it should be banned from the game. Quite the opposite in fact. We have many, many individuals here who respond tirelessly to such posts.

PR is a big part of what we do.

My comment in particular:

'Wow! It's been a while since I've seen such a jumped-up, self-important windbag have that sort of impotent, foot-stamping rant on the forums. Very entertaining.'
Relates to a specific individual who was presenting himself exactly as I describe. He blustered about some ridiculous and entirely assinine plan to start a class action suit against Blizzard because multi-boxing is unfair

He obviously never intended to actually do that, because people who are serious about such things quietly get on with it rather than talking about it on the support forum for the company against whom they are plotting!

It was a cynical attack on multi-boxers and he was properly shut down in short shrift by the people whose job it is to look after the community.

For every quote you have repeated - and for the many that you have not - there is a similar backdrop. We don't hate single-boxers. In fact, we don't really even hate the stupid people that we often talk about here, because they give us a good laugh.

So, please, don't come here with out-of-context quotes and try to make it look as if we are in some way persecuting the single-boxers, because absolutely nothing could be further from the truth.

[Xuthus]

I'm a hater ,thats my business. You want to roll over , thats your business....right or wrong.

[glo]

I am nicer then I should be.

[KvdM]

The problem with most of the multibox haters is that they know exactly what multiboxing is and why it is allowed, but they're just not willing to accept it. These are the same kind of people that in fps games will start bogus kick votes and call other players cheaters, just because they can't win. You can reason with such a person all you want, but they will never give in to your valid arguments. Simply because than they would have to accept that they're not the best player in the world after all.

To quote Adam Savage: "I reject your reality and substitute my own". I can't beat you.. you must be cheating. So you're not cheating and playing by the rules... the rules must be wrong and should be changed.

I have to agree with the other posters here. If someone is obviously trolling or ranting without a good reason, then I have no problem with putting them in their place.

[Frosty]

I'm not prejudiced, I hate everyone equally.

I wish I had the amount of time to play this game that people think I do, but in reality, I have only a few hours a night and that's if I'm lucky.
I don't have time for stupidity, but I do have time for genuine interest, always.

The people you are wanting us to be nice to have told themselves so many times what they think they know is fact, that it has become truth to them.
I had an ex-wife who did this to me, and I kicked her arse to the curb as well.

I think this whole multiboxer-hate thing is proof that our US based "No child left behind" program in schools is failing.
Keep the stupid ones in there and make them repeat it until the get it right! :P

[Knytestorme]

Fuck the singleboxers.

If they are too fucking retarded to not understand the fucking basic premises of multiboxing and Blizzards aproval of it then they deserve to die in a fucking grease fire. The more threads they post about it on the general forums, or come here to start, the more I will keep multiboxing and do as much as I can to piss the whiny little pricks off until they get the hint and either shut their fucking mouths or quit WoW.

It's very simple, they leave me the fuck alone and stop hating me for a chosen legit playstyle and I'll leave them the fuck alone and not rub their faces in how pathetic, useless and generally poor in education and wealth they are.

[Otlecs]

Is it bad that Knyte's post made me laugh out loud?

8| :whistling:

[Knytestorme]

glad it helped someone other than me :)

just dropped $10k to bunch of donkeys online rather than playing WoW and am on full-blown monkey-tilt.....log in to WoW and cop abuse. Something had to give, and it turned out to be my patience with retards and trolls.

Thankfully I can vent here rather than a 3-day ban :whistling:

[Icetech]

my being nice went away bout a week in.... too many assholes to deal with.. i usually Ni hao! everyone.. or just go off and make them look like a fool in chat..

This MASSIVE ammount of money.. $75... wow.. thats HUGE... these people need jobs..

BTW.. i will be nice soon enough ithink im burned out on wow again.. which means time to quit for awhile:) Actually tired of watching days of my life go by on a pc...

[Drizzit]

This MASSIVE ammount of money.. $75... wow.. thats HUGE... these people need jobs..
It depends on who you are asking. For me $75 is a HUGE amount of money for me. The way that me and the wife work it out is, if i didn't play wow i would be doing something else. The other thing that i love is anime and old 80s cartoons, which i stopped when i got wow, an anime dvd at a store goes for an average of $20 (it is going up to almost $24 now because it is becoming more popular now) and the old 80s cartoon box sets for for about 60-80. An anime dvd only has about 4-5 episodes on it so that is 2-2.5 hours of time. I play wow for like 3 hours a day. I could spread out the episodes for 2 days so that is a new dvd every other day. Average month is 30 days so that is $20 x 15 = $300 a month. Granted i can buy anime online which i usually do because they are average $15 so $15 x 15 = $225. Anime also comes in box set, a sires in anime is usually 26 episodes that go from 40-90. I could easily watch 26 episodes in a week (i use to kill a sires in a day on like a sat or sunday). So if i got 4 of those that is 160-360 a month. So going wow is much more cheaper. I know that $75 doesn't sound like a lot, but like i said to some people it is, sry i got off track. I only been married for a year, just bought a house last year, everything is breaking in the house, i eat 1 time a day (she eats normal), and about to have a baby coming. We both have good jobs each making 50k a year (total 100k, but stupid taxes, so we make less). Money is really really tight, but i get bored easy and when i am bored i tend to spend money on thing to make me not bored, so in a way wow is saving money.

[-silencer-]

This MASSIVE ammount of money.. $75... wow.. thats HUGE... these people need jobs..

No joke. When I was 14, my parents would have laughed in my face if I wanted $75/mo for videogames, and back in the early 90's, lawns were mowed for only $10-15. I hear of kids today making $20-$50 to spend a couple hours mowing/trimming a yard, so they should just start there and get some exercise while they're at it.

If only these kids could understand that I "waste" $40/mo at gym, $100/mo softball league, $100/mo skeet shooting or at a target range, $200/mo on baseball games during the summer, and a yearly average of at least $750/mo in performance car parts & 100+ octane gas, so $75/mo for a hobby like WoW isn't a big deal.

[Drizzit]

No joke. When I was 14, my parents would have laughed in my face if I wanted $75/mo for videogames, and back in the early 90's, lawns were mowed for only $10-15. I hear of kids today making $20-$50 to spend a couple hours mowing/trimming a yard, so they should just start there and get some exercise while they're at it.

A kid came to my mother's house telling her that he cuts grass. He would charge $50 to cut her grass and he would have to use her mower and her gas. The funny thing is when i use to cut the grass it took me 30 minutes to do. I make about $30 and hour so i am in the wrong profession... You know what the other funny thing is, my mom tells him, "$50, hell you should be paying me $50 for you to cut the grass, just think of it as a gym membership"... she said the kid was like 300 pounds.

[Mac]

the other funny thing is, my mom tells him, "$50, hell you should be paying me $50 for you to cut the grass, just think of it as a gym membership"... she said the kid was like 300 pounds. lol... pwnt! way to go mom! :thumbsup:

I think about how much money I spent on my 34' sailboat I was racing, while my now-ex-wife had 4 horses in the stable she was showing every weekend. I thought I was spending a lot of money until I found out what my step fathers budget was for his Indy car team... I'm saving a ton of money playing 5 toons!

This is all relative, they have no idea how cheap $75 a month is for entertainment in comparison to these other activities, even what I have listed is small potatoes for many. It just shows their ignorance when I get those comments, so I do what I do with any ignorant person, either ignore them, or If I think its worth my time, I'll try to do a little educating. I do more of the ignoring then anything though if that tells you anything about the people I'm encountering in game...

[kllrwlf]

$75 a month is nothing.

It costs me $60 a week to refill my Hybrid Highlander.
Everyday lunch usually costs about $50.
A day at Disneyland is about $250.
I spend about $400 a month on cat/dog food.

[Tasty]

$50. I wish my lunch cost that much. I'd love to get a nice steak for lunch. (Campus food ftl) /bleh

[RobinGBrown]

Fuck the singleboxers.

If they are too fucking retarded to not understand the fucking basic premises of multiboxing and Blizzards aproval of it then they deserve to die in a fucking grease fire. The more threads they post about it on the general forums, or come here to start, the more I will keep multiboxing and do as much as I can to piss the whiny little pricks off until they get the hint and either shut their fucking mouths or quit WoW.

It's very simple, they leave me the fuck alone and stop hating me for a chosen legit playstyle and I'll leave them the fuck alone and not rub their faces in how pathetic, useless and generally poor in education and wealth they are.
This is exactly the sort of thing that will get multiboxing banned and mess it up for everyone. I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids who have never had to deal with people in real life (this counts for BOTH sides of the problem by the way) but this sort of attitude is extremely toxic, you think you're hurting others but you're hurting yourself just as much with this sort of behaviour.

Much as I hate to use Wiki but some of you should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

Sportsmanship applies just as much to online games.

[Knytestorme]

Fuck the singleboxers.

If they are too fucking retarded to not understand the fucking basic premises of multiboxing and Blizzards aproval of it then they deserve to die in a fucking grease fire. The more threads they post about it on the general forums, or come here to start, the more I will keep multiboxing and do as much as I can to piss the whiny little pricks off until they get the hint and either shut their fucking mouths or quit WoW.

It's very simple, they leave me the fuck alone and stop hating me for a chosen legit playstyle and I'll leave them the fuck alone and not rub their faces in how pathetic, useless and generally poor in education and wealth they are.
This is exactly the sort of thing that will get multiboxing banned and mess it up for everyone. I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids who have never had to deal with people in real life (this counts for BOTH sides of the problem by the way) but this sort of attitude is extremely toxic, you think you're hurting others but you're hurting yourself just as much with this sort of behaviour.

Much as I hate to use Wiki but some of you should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

Sportsmanship applies just as much to online games.


I'll keep this very simple, and civil....atm, do not bait me and do not EVER try to psychobabble me like you did in the last few words of your first paragraph.

Try reading my statement, they leave me alone and I leave them alone and go off into my own happy little enjoyment of WoW. If they, or you, feel entitled to tell me how to play and enjoy the game and how I should act then the happiness leaves and fire is returned. Bottom line is, if people want to decide to take aim at something for no reason other than they can't do it then they better be willing to handle the consequences and accept as well as they give.

[EDIT]

As for your line about sportsmanship I have 2 things to say

1. This isn't a competitive game, no-one wins or loses, there is no grand final at the end of the season
2. Sportsmanship extend as far as the rules, that's it. There is no "awww, sorry we were better than you, why don't we call it a draw"...if it's allowed with in the rules than it's sporting, if it's not then it's not done...that is the only way to play a competitive game and anyone who says otherwise is not there to win.

[Oldin]

"/2 This Channel is for trade only plz take your opinions elsewhere, because I WTS 5v5 losses."


I have to say that was a dangerous thing to say. If after that you lost to the same team several times in a row it might seem suspicious. If it was reported. You might get your Arena Team Disbanded, and all your arena and honor bought items removed from all your characters... At least in Europe and Korea. Not really sure about the policies on the American side for Wintrading.

[RobinGBrown]

I'll keep this very simple, and civil....atm, do not bait me and do not EVER try to psychobabble me like you did in the last few words of your first paragraph.


There's a difference between psychobabble and insight. The earlier post you made was rude, unpleasant, and unnecessarily vile, you could have stated your opinion in a better way.

[Elix]

Wow you guys get alot of trouble, on Balnazzar EU i get nothing but /salutes & /cheers mostly from the other faction whilst i've been leveling.

[Knytestorme]

There's a difference between psychobabble and insight. The earlier post you made was rude, unpleasant, and unnecessarily vile, you could have stated your opinion in a better way.
Yes, I could of but why should I. The posters on the general forums have no problem with calling multiboxers some pretty vile and disgusting things, impugning our characters and want to see us banned from a game we enjoy so why should I not be able to respond in kind?

Is it because I hurt your poor wittle feelings? Is it because you are a general forum troll that's getting sick of losing arguments over there? Yeah that sounds like it doesn't it...fits with you have 6 posts here and all of them in this thread asking us to be nice to them.

Tell you what, report my post to the mods...if they have a problem with it they can edit it out and you can go running back to your little white picket fence house where everyone plays sports that don't end with anyone losing and skipping off to ice-cream...the rest of us will stay in the real world, where the way you speak to people influences how they reply and calling people scum, faggots, cheaters, liars and hoping they die from aids (as have all been used by general forum posters in relation to multiboxers) will cause them to respond in kind.

Don't like it, too bad. Now that, that is insight.

[shaeman]

I'll keep this very simple, and civil....atm, do not bait me and do not EVER try to psychobabble me like you did in the last few words of your first paragraph.


There's a difference between psychobabble and insight. The earlier post you made was rude, unpleasant, and unnecessarily vile, you could have stated your opinion in a better way.
What you really mean is He could have communicated his opinion in a better way for you. I think his post states quite clearly how he feels about those that attack him because they do not like the legitimate way he plays.

I think if less people believed the world revolved around them - and that their set of beliefs and opinions are the only correct ones then we would all be better off for it.

Personally I would put the morons on ignore - but that is how I deal with it. Kyntestorm gives them a taste of their own medicine - and that's an equally valid way of dealing with them.

[Elix]

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4896119569&sid=1

lol @ the OP

[Otlecs]

http://www.improvresourcecenter.com/mb/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[-silencer-]

"/2 This Channel is for trade only plz take your opinions elsewhere, because I WTS 5v5 losses."


I have to say that was a dangerous thing to say. If after that you lost to the same team several times in a row it might seem suspicious. If it was reported. You might get your Arena Team Disbanded, and all your arena and honor bought items removed from all your characters... At least in Europe and Korea. Not really sure about the policies on the American side for Wintrading.
That comment flew right over your head. He's telling people to get off the trade channel and PvP him, because they're going to lose to him. That kind of thing would be easily explainable to a GM - he's not selling his own personal losses for money.. he's going to dish out some losses to opposing teams. I know what you mean about accidentally getting stuck against a good team that may win a few times in a row, but gold transfers can be tracked, and a GM would be able to tell if something fishy was truly going on.

[Drizzit]

you could have stated your opinion in a better way.

But isn't it HIS opinion. I thought YOU can state YOUR opinion any way that YOU want?
Knytestorme I am with you on this. I think that this is a single boxer troll. Robin how do you think this post was going to turn out? You come to a multi-boxing community and tell us to be nice to single boxers, when they are not nice to us. That is like making a skinhead watch the Jeffersons. It is like going to a cannibal's house and telling them to eat a salad.

http://www.improvresourcecenter.com/mb/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[-silencer-]

This is exactly the sort of thing that will get multiboxing banned and mess it up for everyone. I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids who have never had to deal with people in real life (this counts for BOTH sides of the problem by the way) but this sort of attitude is extremely toxic, you think you're hurting others but you're hurting yourself just as much with this sort of behaviour.

He's not posting on the Blizz forums with this statement, and he's amongst friends in venting here. You obviously haven't multiboxed much, because the abuse we take on a daily basis is ridiculous. I'm not going to go on a flame war in the WoW forums about it, and we don't hate singleboxers here. We hate people who constantly bitch and moan about something Blizzard has stated for years is totally acceptable. We hate being assaulted in /w's by asshats we don't know and haven't ever dealt with on any level. Blizzard employees receive 3 free WoW subscriptions as part of a benefit of working with them - how many employees there do you think are willing to get rid of multiboxing?

As far as your comment about the hate from the young on BOTH sides of the problem.. I suspect that a majority of the multiboxers out there are well over 21 years old and have spent quite a good deal of time in the real world. *Unlike* the majority of anti-multiboxing trolls on the WoW forums who complaing about how expensive $75/mo is.

I agree with the comment that we shouldn't intentionally be an ass to anyone on the servers, unless it was totally deserved. Even then, we shouldn't break any rules defined in ToS, so there's no reason for us to get banned. The only future possibility I could see is that multiboxing is made more difficult (or dis-allowed) in BG/Arena play.. since that's where a majority of complaints are coming from. I still think this would be highly unlikely, again, because many Blizzard employees multibox and enjoy that playing style.

[Frosty]

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4896119569&sid=1

lol @ the OP

Why do I feel like my 2 year old has just come crying to me saying "Mommy told me no more candy!".
To the OP, you've just lost all credibility in my book. You are a troll, plain and simple.
You got shut down here, so you went and complained about it on the very boards you were saying we need to smooth things over with.

Here's a rule my mother taught me oh so many years ago. Treat people the way you want to be treated.
It's already been stated that multiboxers don't go out and pick fights with single-boxers by sending random /tells "Loser" "get a life" etc..

And here's a rule my father taught me. Opinions are like a--holes. Everybody has one and some of them stink.
Don't come here and expect to force your opinion on how we should handle ourselves in game. Most of us play this way because we do not want to play with YOU (or any other whiney person).

There have been several attempts to sugar-coat things for you here, but I think that time has come and gone.

[Ifalna]

Any attempts to create drama pretty much fell on their face.

Quoting the thread was the killing blow, saying that multiboxers hate all single players, and linking to a thread where they repeatedly say they only ones they hate are the abusive ones, was the move of a certified genius.

Congrats op. Maybe next time you will have more success.

[-silencer-]

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4896119569&sid=1

lol @ the OP
Wow.. Talk about stooping to a new low. I've tended to notice gamers in Europe have a much better community with each other than the US/Canada side. For the most part, they're congratulatory and friendly even when competitive play is involved. However, I've been to enough major LAN events across the country over the last 10 years, and I've seen the difference among the North American side of things. I've seen kids in fistfights, breaking each others computers, getting arrested, getting stabbed, stealing.. all because they 'hate' the other player for being too skilled, wealthy, arrogant, whatever. I believe a lot of it has to do with the competitive culture in North America when compared to Europe.

An example, in Europe, upon meeting someone new, people generally ask what someone likes to do for hobbies and what they're interested in. In America, people tend to ask what you do for a job. When I meet Europeans, they ask what I'm interested in, and I talk about sports, cars, music, movies, etc. When I meet Americans, they ask what I do for a living, and I say I'm a software engineer. In North America, it's an immediate gauge on wealth, and it's not at all like that in Europe.

I don't know how single play is like on EU servers, but on US servers, it sucks. Unless you know everyone in your party personally, or have a long gaming history behind them, or are mature (usually that also means over the age of 20 or so), then you're basically guaranteed to have the immature players rolling on loot that should go to a player that would benefit from it more. That's the *primary* reason I started dual and then 5-boxing. I don't have to deal with immature assholes ruining the game experience for me.

You're in the EU forums, and you apparantely know nothing about what is common for the US multiboxers to experience from singleboxers on a daily basis. That's the reason we have so little tolerance for someone who comes out bashing multiboxers like we're the devil. Don't be fooled.. so many of these hypocrite singleboxers would gladly jump into multiboxing if they were willing to afford it. A lot of the hate on US servers is envy.

[Knytestorme]

hehehehe.

Such a shame he had to be a euro poster, I can't reply :(

Think it's the first time I've been quoted too, just a shame that he couldn't be bothered giving credit, seems some people thought he wrote it.

[EDIT]

More I think about it, the more lame I think it is to have posted on the EU forum knowing the majority of us wouldn't be able to respond so will do it here and either OP will grwo the balls to post my reponses there or show the real reason they started this thread....assuming they actually return now they got what they were after.

@ #4: They post it there purely for flamebait once their agenda was pointed out. Read the thread at dual-boxing to get the quote in context.

@ #7: Your fixt may actually have some merit if multiboxers were going round starting threads allover the place on the general forums stating how pure they are and so much better than people who don't. We have to put up with at least 2-3 threads a day on the US forums alone decrying multiboxing and calling us all the names under the sun, so get off your high horse and try to make your fixt relevant to the facts. BTW, I haven't gottem money off my folks since I moved out of home 14 years ago, but you're right...I have no right to yell or whine at people, pity I don't so try telling the gentards constantly complaining about multiboxing the same thing.

[Zzyzxx71]

Fuck the singleboxers.

If they are too fucking retarded to not understand the fucking basic premises of multiboxing and Blizzards aproval of it then they deserve to die in a fucking grease fire. The more threads they post about it on the general forums, or come here to start, the more I will keep multiboxing and do as much as I can to piss the whiny little pricks off until they get the hint and either shut their fucking mouths or quit WoW.

It's very simple, they leave me the fuck alone and stop hating me for a chosen legit playstyle and I'll leave them the fuck alone and not rub their faces in how pathetic, useless and generally poor in education and wealth they are.
This is exactly the sort of thing that will get multiboxing banned and mess it up for everyone. I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids who have never had to deal with people in real life (this counts for BOTH sides of the problem by the way) but this sort of attitude is extremely toxic, you think you're hurting others but you're hurting yourself just as much with this sort of behaviour.

Much as I hate to use Wiki but some of you should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

Sportsmanship applies just as much to online games.

I find it interesting that you select this *1* post as the EXAMPLE for the entire community, and this *1* post is the "sort of thing that will get multiboxing banned and mess it up for everyone" - even though we get MUCH more rude UNPROVOKED responses on a daily daily DAILY (did I say daily?) basis by a SUBSTANTIAL factor. (I have no numbers to back this up, I'm making an assumption my personal experiences are similar to the responses/tells other people get).

95% of OUR responses on forums are A: logical B: substantiated C: an ATTEMPT to educate.

95% of the responses we got are A: childish B: nonfactual C: fabricated D: an attempt to be hurtful.

5v1 people lose. People get butthurt.

Their issue is that 1 person in control of 5 people just killed them. They take it personally. They think they've been slighted by someone. They get emotional and don't think out the base facts - I just lost to 5 CHARACTERS. If I rolled 5 different classes, 5 different races, 5 completely non similar names - I bet you the amount of crying would substantially drop. Why? Because I look like 5 different players.

/rant off

[Anjuna]

Responding to ignorance with ignorance =/= win.

[Drizzit]

Responding to ignorance with ignorance =/= win

I like this one better "arguing to argue"

[Anjuna]

Responding to ignorance with ignorance =/= win

I like this one better "arguing to argue"You just freak'd my mind.

[Old Dirty Bathtub]

To the OP, you've just lost all credibility in my book. You are a troll, plain and simple.
^ ^ ^ This. Seriously, why would anyone act like that? That's the sort of petulance I expect from the official forums.

[d0z3rr]

If we want to show that multiboxing is a fair and valid choice for playing World of Warcraft then we need to do so in a polite and friendly manner, and by showing a good example of sportsmanship and an appreciation of fair play at all times.

Fight fire with fire I say. Sometimes the only way to get through to a drooling thick-skulled single boxer is to flame them back. And by drooling thick-skulled single boxer I mean the random morons that say "Hacker", "cheater", "lol no life". Not the genuinely inquisitive ones with a brain.

[The IT Monkey]

Fuck 'em

Only if they are female and have a pulse. ;)Geez... you have a lot of criteria. If I was that picky I would never get laid.

[Bradster]

Fuck 'em

Only if they are female and have a pulse. ;)Geez... you have a lot of criteria. If I was that picky I would never get laid.lol

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I'll keep this very simple, and civil....atm, do not bait me and do not EVER try to psychobabble me like you did in the last few words of your first paragraph. There's a difference between psychobabble and insight. The earlier post you made was rude, unpleasant, and unnecessarily vile, you could have stated your opinion in a better way. Context, baby. Context. There's a difference between A) spewing filth to make even trivial points every time you open your mouth at the beginning of every thread, or B) responding not only to the OP but to the trend of some folks toward appeasing the sensibilities of those with differing opinions and restating the vehemence of said opinion. I used to think like you that there was absolutely no excuse for resorting to cursing. Unfortunately, there are some people in the world that only understand (or even _acknowledge_) other peoples' opinions when they get verbally abused or their asses kicked. There's a quote saying something along the lines of profanity being the last resort of a weak mind or thereabouts. That is all nice in a perfect world but this isn't a tea party or date. Furthermore, as he mentioned, this is how he feels after having (rationally) stated his opinions and having them repeatedly thrown back in his face as so-called proof that he is violating the "spirit of the game" and abusing everyone else/being a bad citizen/loser/punk/DIAF/etc. ad nauseum.

Speaking of sportsmanship, I went and looked at that article. Of the 5 tenets of sportsmanship, anti-multiboxing people usually violate 4 of the 5 as soon as they start typing. If you don't want to get called out for being a condescending moron, then don't be a condescending moron.

Oh, and FYI, making statements like "I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids[...]" revokes your claims to the moral high ground. Could you possibly exhibit a more snot-nosed, condescending and arrogant attitude? I highly doubt it. Then topping it off by trying to psycho-analyze someone's motives by wrangling an out-of-context snippet into something directly contradicted by their argument history just makes you look like a pompous ass.

On a related note, would I be correct in guessing that you hold the firm belief that violence is never the answer to a problem? If you'd rather not answer that, I'll understand completely. I just like to know the general perspective people have when arguing a point (i.e.: context), especially if they do not openly declare said perspectives in their arguments. ;)

Cheers,
Ugh

[Ken]

"I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids[...]"
Fail.

[Moxy]

http://www.improvresourcecenter.com/mb/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[Skuggomann]

They seeeeeeee me roooooooowlin, hey haaaaaaaaaating, paroooooling and trying to caht my riding dirty!!!!!!!!!!!

[Turenn]

Don't argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[blast3r]

Fuck the singleboxers.

If they are too fucking retarded to not understand the fucking basic premises of multiboxing and Blizzards aproval of it then they deserve to die in a fucking grease fire. The more threads they post about it on the general forums, or come here to start, the more I will keep multiboxing and do as much as I can to piss the whiny little pricks off until they get the hint and either shut their fucking mouths or quit WoW.

It's very simple, they leave me the fuck alone and stop hating me for a chosen legit playstyle and I'll leave them the fuck alone and not rub their faces in how pathetic, useless and generally poor in education and wealth they are.
This is exactly the sort of thing that will get multiboxing banned and mess it up for everyone. I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids who have never had to deal with people in real life (this counts for BOTH sides of the problem by the way) but this sort of attitude is extremely toxic, you think you're hurting others but you're hurting yourself just as much with this sort of behaviour.

Much as I hate to use Wiki but some of you should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

Sportsmanship applies just as much to online games.

/cast Foot in Mouth

[Knytestorme]

awwwwww....blue called me a bad apple AND a black sheep

/wrist

[Basilikos]

After seeing the progress here and on the EU WoW Community forums, I'm wondering if the OP of this thread didn't create more of a problem than already existed in our sometimes harsh replies.

[KvdM]

awwwwww....blue called me a bad apple AND a black sheep

/wristNonetheless, you are entitled to your opinion. The original poster tried to start a clear harassment thread by generalizing our community and that is a violation of the forum rules. My report button got stuck... 5 times :)

[Bovidae]

Fuck the singleboxers.

If they are too fucking retarded to not understand the fucking basic premises of multiboxing and Blizzards aproval of it then they deserve to die in a fucking grease fire. The more threads they post about it on the general forums, or come here to start, the more I will keep multiboxing and do as much as I can to piss the whiny little pricks off until they get the hint and either shut their fucking mouths or quit WoW.

It's very simple, they leave me the fuck alone and stop hating me for a chosen legit playstyle and I'll leave them the fuck alone and not rub their faces in how pathetic, useless and generally poor in education and wealth they are.
This is exactly the sort of thing that will get multiboxing banned and mess it up for everyone. I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids who have never had to deal with people in real life (this counts for BOTH sides of the problem by the way) but this sort of attitude is extremely toxic, you think you're hurting others but you're hurting yourself just as much with this sort of behaviour.

Much as I hate to use Wiki but some of you should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

Sportsmanship applies just as much to online games.This looks sooo familiar, oh yeah: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4896119569&pageNo=1&sid=1#0

What are you trying to accomplish here? Are you trying to make ALL multiboxers look bad? This is a thinly veiled (Im a multiboxertoolol) attempt to generate dissent among and against multiboxers. I think you're a troll, and need to be banned from these boards.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

This looks sooo familiar, oh yeah: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4896119569&pageNo=1&sid=1#0

What are you trying to accomplish here? Are you trying to make ALL multiboxers look bad? This is a thinly veiled (Im a multiboxertoolol) attempt to generate dissent among and against multiboxers. I think you're a troll, and need to be banned from these boards. Isn't it obvious? :P Funny thing is that Blizzard has logs of just about everything we boxers do. They can see from the logs where you've helped people kill quest mobs, summoned/portaled people around the world, had polite and helpful conversations with new or curious folks and been very cooperative when paged by a GM as a result of a report. The people with the evidence know better. The small-minded folks that hate us can only pull a Viet Nam on us in hopes that they'll accomplish what the media did back then.

Oh well. 8)

[blast3r]

Fuck the singleboxers.

If they are too fucking retarded to not understand the fucking basic premises of multiboxing and Blizzards aproval of it then they deserve to die in a fucking grease fire. The more threads they post about it on the general forums, or come here to start, the more I will keep multiboxing and do as much as I can to piss the whiny little pricks off until they get the hint and either shut their fucking mouths or quit WoW.

It's very simple, they leave me the fuck alone and stop hating me for a chosen legit playstyle and I'll leave them the fuck alone and not rub their faces in how pathetic, useless and generally poor in education and wealth they are.
This is exactly the sort of thing that will get multiboxing banned and mess it up for everyone. I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids who have never had to deal with people in real life (this counts for BOTH sides of the problem by the way) but this sort of attitude is extremely toxic, you think you're hurting others but you're hurting yourself just as much with this sort of behaviour.

Much as I hate to use Wiki but some of you should read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportsmanship

Sportsmanship applies just as much to online games.This looks sooo familiar, oh yeah: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4896119569&pageNo=1&sid=1#0

What are you trying to accomplish here? Are you trying to make ALL multiboxers look bad? This is a thinly veiled (Im a multiboxertoolol) attempt to generate dissent among and against multiboxers. I think you're a troll, and need to be banned from these boards.

I think we have a 'mole' not a troll.

[Basilikos]

I think we have a 'mole' not a troll.

Agreed.

[Korruptor]

I think we have a 'mole' not a troll.Yep, agreed. A dissident with no better purpose then to try to cause disruption and spread his propaganda in an attempt to demonize us.

Apparently there is no such thing as going too low for these folks.

[Havelcek]

This thread is in desperate need of a lock. :thumbdown:

[Basilikos]

The OP could use a reporting, too. Wait... I'll get on that.

[Wilbur]

I'm not locking it, this thread is funny :)

[homerjunior]

I'm not locking it, this thread is funny :)Wilbur you make me laugh sometimes

[Wilbur]

Only sometimes? You should come on IRC where I launch jokes at a rate of 11.5 JPM.

[homerjunior]

I think you can break 13 JPM, Put some effort in!

[Wilbur]

I did but I pooped a little :(

[Knytestorme]

I like it too, just annoyed I didn't work out their game until after I had my friendly little rant :D

[Tonuss]

Sorry if I'm checking this thread late and make some redundant comments...
If we want to show that multiboxing is a fair and valid choice for playing World of Warcraft then we need to do so in a polite and friendly manner, and by showing a good example of sportsmanship and an appreciation of fair play at all times.We do not have to show that multiboxing is a fair and valid choice for playing WoW... there is no shortage of blue statements to this effect. When the anti-MB rants started showing up on the forums, a number of us dealt with the claims politely and without flames or ridicule. After a few months of this we had a very comprehensive catalog of GM and blue comments that clarified Blizzard's stance on multiboxing from pretty much any angle. There is nothing left to "show" or to prove. What you have at this point is a small group of angry whiners who are bent on stirring up anti-MB sentiment because they assume that if they can fool Blizzard into thinking that they're facing some sort of angry mob, they will be forced to placate them.

They are wrong. And they have been far more rude and illogical than any of us have. The latest was some mage who was going back to the old "it's automation, see what I found in the dictionary" argument, while informing us that he was a very highly-rated arena player. Which goes to show that while a high arena rating may imply skill, it doesn't imply intelligence. (As an aside, it's even funnier to see a high-ranked arena player complain about the unfairness of a multiboxed shaman team, when everyone knows that arenas are all about finding the right group make-up in order to benefit from the advantages it has, such as the 2345/2346 teams. Apparently there's nothing wrong with trying to game the system until someone pushes the envelope just far enough to beat YOU. Then there's a problem. Allow me a hearty "LOL" at this.)

[blast3r]

god i hate single boxers.

[Knytestorme]

Since the OP won't be back it doesn't really matter but let's see how pleasent the anti-multibox crowd is, shall we?


Anyone who thinks multi-boxing is fair and alright, Deserves to die.

from post #2 @ http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7903746133&sid=1

Yeah, my post is so vulgar and vile compared to that post of love and happiness isn't it :whistling:

[Tonuss]

That's nothing. This is from the thread that is linked in the CSF Information Haven. Remember the thread where Vyndree asked for clarification on a number of issues, and Belfaire provided that long list of replies? The thread we often use to show people that multiboxing is okay? Here are two replies in that thread from one anti-MBer...


it's been rationalized by blatant cheaters and a greedy corporate rep.


I'm here showing you for the dirty cheating mincing scumbag you (and the rest of your vile ilk) are, and demonstrate to the many blues who read this forum exactly why it should be banned with prejudice.

your appeal to me to be accepting of your viewpoint on multiboxing would be like the grand wizard's appeal to the public to accept his viewpoint on african americans.

Let's see... insulting everyone including the blue reps? Check. Foul-mouthed flaming? Check. Comparison to real life racism? Check.

(PS- This same person continually ignored my point that someone who felt this way about Blizzard would be a hypocrite to continue to support them with their subscription dollars. When I confronted her directly with my claim, she disappeared from the thread.)

I think we should post those quotes and imply that everyone who dislikes multiboxing is exactly like that person. That's fair, isn't it, OP?

[blast3r]

That's nothing. This is from the thread that is linked in the CSF Information Haven. Remember the thread where Vyndree asked for clarification on a number of issues, and Belfaire provided that long list of replies? The thread we often use to show people that multiboxing is okay? Here are two replies in that thread from one anti-MBer...


it's been rationalized by blatant cheaters and a greedy corporate rep.


I'm here showing you for the dirty cheating mincing scumbag you (and the rest of your vile ilk) are, and demonstrate to the many blues who read this forum exactly why it should be banned with prejudice.

your appeal to me to be accepting of your viewpoint on multiboxing would be like the grand wizard's appeal to the public to accept his viewpoint on african americans.

Let's see... insulting everyone including the blue reps? Check. Foul-mouthed flaming? Check. Comparison to real life racism? Check.

(PS- This same person continually ignored my point that someone who felt this way about Blizzard would be a hypocrite to continue to support them with their subscription dollars. When I confronted her directly with my claim, she disappeared from the thread.)

I think we should post those quotes and imply that everyone who dislikes multiboxing is exactly like that person. That's fair, isn't it, OP?

This makes me think of something. You read the thread about someone getting corpse camped for 4 days? How about 100 lowbies camping this guys corpse for 4 days. lol.

[Basilikos]

This makes me think of something. You read the thread about someone getting corpse camped for 4 days? How about 100 lowbies camping this guys corpse for 4 days. lol.

If that were ever organized, I'd show up.

[Drizzit]

wow this forum is still going

/dump :P

[Silaspop]

There's times where both sides of the fence can be pretty damn annoying. When I was multiboxing with my mages and would be walking around Zangar trying to grind a little and someone would ask "Is ____ a bot?" and people would just go off on this kid because he asked a simple question and wasn't "in the know." I've done a couple BG's with multiboxers, where someone would ask how he was doing it, and instead of him/her not responding, or informing them, they would say something snooty like "Stupid noob." or some other elitest insult. (One of you are going to read that and go "He's talking about me")

Quite frankly, I see a whole lot of people instigating those who have no clue what we are doing and assume we are bots. Instead of being mature, polite, and informing what your doing, or simply ignoring them, I see some of the MB'ers sticking their tongues out and putting their hands to head and going "nanny nanny boo boo" and then running behind a GM when the single-boxer lashes out at them.

Just quit being babies, it's obvious people are going to complain about basically being 1-shotted by 5 Shaman at the same time. What did you expect?

[Korruptor]

~What did you expect?Maturity.

[Ðeceased]

http://www.improvresourcecenter.com/mb/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

remind me never to get on ur bad side Knytestorme *runs for the hills* :P

I was willing to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, but after reading that blatant attempt at inciting hatred, distaste or whatever you want to call it, against multiboxers, I have to say, you OP, deserve no more then what is handed to us on a daily basis. I am not normally a spiteful person or someone who wishes ill on a fellow human being. Hell, half my work (2nd job) is dealing with people who are by definition intolerable. But this is just low.

I'm just glad that most of the posters on the EU WoW forum saw right through it

[Tdog]

...Oh, and FYI, making statements like "I understand that most of the hate comes from young American kids[...]" revokes your claims to the moral high ground. Could you possibly exhibit a more snot-nosed, condescending and arrogant attitude? I highly doubt it. Then topping it off by trying to psycho-analyze someone's motives by wrangling an out-of-context snippet into something directly contradicted by their argument history just makes you look like a pompous ass.
QFT.


It's extremely obvious at this point that w/e the OP's, robingbrown, agenda was in making this thread, it sure as hell wasn't to make peace.

[The IT Monkey]

:thumbdown: Voting to lock this thread. Tired of looking at the troll bait.