Class Action Lawsuit against Mulitboxing?!?!

[raylion]

The mind boggles, clearly some people have forgotten we're playing a game:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7736597527&sid=1 ('http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=7736597527&sid=1')

[hardc0re]

"If you feel that some form of legal action need be taken regarding this matter, please have your legal adviser contact our legal department."

made my day... like he can even try to sue blizzard ;)

[Tasty]

lol :p

[Stealthy]

Pity can you can't take a class action lawsuit against stupidity. :P

[Tasty]

Was also a pity the thread was instalocked, I have a feeling there would have been many good laughs

[Vyndree]

Pity can you can't take a class action lawsuit against stupidity. :P

QFT. ;)

[daviddoran]

Funny how he quoted the TOS


The Terms of Use clearly state that "using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players" is not allowed.


But neglected to notice the key element,


Using or exploiting errors in design

Blizzard has clearly stated that multiboxing is not an error. Blizzard can't ban people for being good at the game just like they can't ban people for thinking outside the (single) box to find an advantage. It's fine to have an "advantage" People in Full S4 will have an advantage over people wearing greens. That's not an exploit, it's just different levels of competitiveness. Multiboxing is the same.

I just hope he doesn't find a stupid lawyer who trys. I get enough attention as it is, I don't need the blizz legal department sifting through all the multiboxing accounts looking for discrepancies.

[moosejaw]

If they want to blow the $200/hour + on a Tort lawyer, more power to them. I hope the lawyer charges a few hours on research before dropping the case. :D

[Fleecy]

I'm still LOLing - 30 minutes later!

[Vyndree]

obtain a competitive advantage over other players

They'd have to actually prove that multiboxing was a competitive advantage.

Judging by the FACTS -- I know of only 1 multiboxer on these forums with a PvP title of ANY sort. How many other multiboxers are registered on this forum?

http://dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=MembersList
9,615 members... let's assume even half of them actually multibox (as opposed to lurk) and of those maybe half are 70? 2403 multiboxers? Just to be generous....

1 out of 2403 multiboxers has success in arenas... Maybe 0.04%?

http://www.wowwiki.com/Titles

Merciless Gladiator Highest rated arena team in the Battlegroup at the end of arena season 3. Patch 2.3.0
Gladiator Top 0.5% of arena teams at the end of the previous season. Patch 2.1.2
Duelist Top 3.0% of arena teams at the end of the previous season. Patch 2.1.2
Rival Top 10% of arena teams at the end of the previous season. Patch 2.1.2
Challenger Top 35% of arena teams at the end of the previous season. Patch 2.1.2

So we are showing 0.04% of multiboxers with ANY arena title.... when the rest of the world's top 35% of arena teams have a title? There's a competitive advantage?

EDIT: fixt

[Tasty]

You and your maths :P

[Marathon]

Any reasonable lawyer will say that guy is an idiot :thumbsup:

[Vyndree]

You and your maths :P

I actually hate math, but I use it where I need to because nobody can argue with numbers.

[Tasty]

I can argue with them. Damn those numbers! Damn you all

[moosejaw]

LOL Tasty at your sig. :rolleyes:

[cepheus]

You and your maths :P

I actually hate math, but I use it where I need to because nobody can argue with numbers.

I think what he means is that you should check your numbers again, they are way off :)

[Knytestorme]

As a hint:

Number of multiboxers with title/total multiboxers = 1/2403 * 100/1 = 0.0416% :p

[EDIT]

And as can be seen, the number will just get infinitely lower (apart from it already being statistically insignificant) with the more multiboxers there actually are.

For us to get close to a number consistent with regular players, since we can say for a fact Ellay is the only multiboxer with a ranking (or they'd have been making noise by now), we'd need to either have only 3 people multiboxing arenas OR we'd need ~840 ranked multiboxers.

Since we know the second number is false and we know the first number is false we can clearly show that multiboxing in arenas isn't an advantage.

[Bena]

ugh.. I wish there was a law against stupid..

[Basilikos]

You and your maths :P

I actually hate math, but I use it where I need to because nobody can argue with numbers.

Numbers are a tool of the Man, man!

Sorry, I just had to. :P

[Gadzooks]

The idea of a class action lawsuit against multiboxers is laughable at best, these moronic mouthbreathers need to *read*, for once, the EULA which they agreed to.

It states, in section 14:

c. Restrictions. You and Blizzard agree that any arbitration shall be limited to the Dispute between Blizzard and you individually. To the full extent permitted by law, (1) no arbitration shall be joined with any other; (2) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be arbitrated on a class-action basis or to utilize class action procedures; and (3) there is no right or authority for any Dispute to be brought in a purported representative capacity on behalf of the general public or any other persons.



You give up your right to sue on a class action basis for any dispute you have with Blizzard, ie. you think MBing is cheating or "unfair", or harms your game experience.


You also agree to conduct informal negotiations with Blizzard, IN WRITING, for 30 days before seeking arbitration. You have to do the 30 discussion, then attempt arbitration, and the only thing you can get is 6 months of fees (and your account permabanned), which is also in the EULA, if during arbitration it's discovered you have indeed been harmed - but the EULA also has a distinct limitation of liability in section 11, which states that whatever happens in the game, wether it's teh server goes buggy when teh glaives drop and nobody rolled yet and you all dced and did'nt get it, or if some players legally use multiple accounts to fry your lame, basement bully ass up and down a battleground, because your basement dwelling lard ass don't get that 5 never equals 1, Blizzard takes NO responsibility. (Which means, account restorals and such are done gratis, and can be refused at any time. You have NO rights to demand ANYTHING of Blizzard, except reasonable access to an account they own, on their servers, if the servers are up)


The guy who posted that has nothing else. Bellowing for a class action lawsuit is out of desperation, because they have no other way to attack the issue.


Trust me, any lawyer or group of lawyers is going to charge a LOT to even put the framework of a case together to attack the EULA in a state court, then get a class established, then pay for every WoW customer to be notified of the suit, then prove before a state judge it deserves to be kicked up to a Federal judge, who them has to be convinced that a class of people were denied something, or were caused monetary damage, or were harmed in some way, like a defective drug.


You'd better get a damned good legal team, because Blizzard/Vivendi is going to bring massive swinging legal dicks into the fight, who will bury you in paperwork for YEARS before it even reaches the filing stage. If it does reach a court (they'll attempt to throw 6 months fees at you to make you go away, most of the mouth breathers who threaten lawsuits will grab it and run), the games REALLY begin, and discovery. Like I said, bring damned good lawyers, because Blizzard's will shred you in a courtroom if you bring a weak team. You will need to depose their entire witness list, and pay for it. You will need to hire experts. You will need to pay for presentation materials. You will have to pay for multiple copies of every single piece of paper, e-mail, and any communications in the case, on a regular basis, and that's billed to YOU, until a class is recognized. After that, all of that is taken right from any money from judgements. You lose? Bad times await you.


It's going to cost thousands to even put the framework together, to pay for a lawyers time, paralegals to research the case, and even then, a decent lawyer will say they have no case, and turn it down after research. (It's an easy buck or two for them). If it gets to a court? Then the bills skyrocket, and if it goes to Federal court, then it goes even HIGHER, as your original lawyers may not be good enough to plead a Federal case. Then the appeal, which can cost as much as the original trial. Blizzard will bury you in paperwork and charges, again.


And then, even if some barest of chances, and a miracle among miracles happens and a Federal judge decides that the law is meaningless, and the butthurt of a childish manchild over a video game is more important, the majority of the money will go to pay the lawyers, and the remains split up among the "class", which would be WoW subscribers. Hey, we'd all get like, a quarter! MAYBE a dollar if enough people opt out of the suit. After taxes, hey, you're rich, and all that time and effort was well spent, now wasn't it?


Meanwhile, in the real world, several years have gone by, during which MBers have a blast playing the game.
LOL.


Naw. What the idiot on the CSF forum meant to say, was, "Hey, why doesn't someone ELSE do all the work of a class action lawsuit (something I've just heard about, i don't really know anything about them), and I'll sign up for it, so I can get cash to make up for my butthurt, because I'm a big fucking baby who throws tantrums when I don't get my way, and make threats I'll never go through with, like when I threatened my mommy with running away if I did'nt get to watch Barney instead of taking a nap! I'll bet we'd all get thousands of dollars! I'll be a HERO, for suggesting it! I'm so super special and unique that surely a judge will see how IMPORTANT my playing a video game is, that he'll see things MY way, regardless of what the silly laws say, and these meaningless EULA thingies and TOS that everyone says I agreed to - but they don't know that I had my fingers crossed when I clicked "I agree", so it doesn't count!. Oh, wut, lawyers cost how much? Oh, whatever, I'll threaten them anyway, they'll back down just from my threat, and remove all those CHEATERS, and i can go back to never actually pvping in battlegrounds. Someone else can do that actual work of a lawsuit, and pay for it, but all I really want to do is click on a button, or type my e-mail on a website somewhere, because I'm far too lazy to actually find out what a class action lawsuit is, and if I have a legal leg to stand on. In fact, I'm going to take a nap, just posting in CSF wiped me out completely, writing that much is just far too draining. See, MBing screws me of MY honor and marks again, I'm losing both because I'm too tired to play because of those CHEATER MULTIBOXER SCUM! HARUMPH! Don't make me threaten you again! (Because everyone will find out I'm a hollow shell of a man with no testicles or spine, and I just type threatening things online because nobody can tell I'm a complete pussy when it's anonymous".

[Tasty]

You and your maths :P

I actually hate math, but I use it where I need to because nobody can argue with numbers.

I think what he means is that you should check your numbers again, they are way off :)Actually I was just loling, had no idea if it was correct or not, didn't spend too much time reading it (sorry Vyn!)

[TheElles]

So someone multiboxing a set of mages kicked his/her ass in an arena and s/he hasn't the "balls" to "man-up" and take it, so they try legal action because they got told "no" by Blizzard. In psychology that is a classic "child" reaction. I must remember to mention that in my next workshop... beautiful example...

LOLed much :P

[Vyndree]

As a hint:

Number of multiboxers with title/total multiboxers = 1/2403 * 100/1 = 0.0416%

That's the 2nd time I've done that with %'s! >.<

Clearly I need to go back to grade school. :P

EDIT: Actually, I did it with my calculator and just realized there's an e^4 at the end of it. Doh!

[Knytestorme]

As a hint:

Number of multiboxers with title/total multiboxers = 1/2403 * 100/1 = 0.0416%

That's the 2nd time I've done that with %'s! >.<

Clearly I need to go back to grade school. :P

The belly-chain would be a big hit with the boys if you did :thumbsup:

Don't worry, I'll go slap myself :whistling:

[sparvath]

reasonable lawyer
I would call this an oxymoron :P

[Djarid]

@Gadzooks - ROFL, well worth being crit by a wall of text :)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

There was a great sig line someone on one of my other forums used. It went something like, "If stupidity were painful, 90% of the people <here> would be on morphine drips." I'd say that applies to the general forums pretty well. It's also a real shame to see someone who can write as well as that OP wasting it by not applying some common sense. :P

[gbremset]

Hahahahaha.... I love it when people rant like that..

Good game man.. good game..

[Otlecs]

Wow! It's been a while since I've seen such a jumped-up, self-important windbag have that sort of impotent, foot-stamping rant on the forums. Very entertaining.

Looking at his posting history, I found this especially funny:

Guess I'll go work on my multi-box.

Respond and have the last word if you want--I won't be back to read it.
I guess he's a seagull (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=seagull+manager) poster :)

[Unholy[S]haman]

If I was blizzard, I would just BAN him right now for posting that on their forums. He cant do anything, Blizzard has full control over your account and can ban it for basically any reason if they actualy had the motive.

[Stormweasel]

Also, the Customer Service forum is not the appropriate venue for requesting legal aid lol :P

[badashh]

@Gadzooks, your post has a 0.014% chance of being read. Too much Text, I'm sure it makes a valid point.

[Tonuss]

obtain a competitive advantage over other playersThey'd have to actually prove that multiboxing was a competitive advantage.And even that would not necessarily help them. But they will never even get that far, as was pointed out already. The full quote states that 'using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs"' is considered a violation of the agreement. Multiboxers do not use any of those. This is more of that "you can't use any third party programs" bullshit that they like to throw at us. As I remind them all the time, good luck getting Blizzard to change its mind when you prove that you don't even understand the contract you agreed to.

It's also why I tease them by telling them to please keep complaining about it. They have nothing to stand on. Lately they have fallen back on the last bastion of the hopeless, asking multiboxers if we feel that it's "fair" or even "ethical" (ethical?!?!) to kill another player in PvP via multiboxing. They've fallen back on "spirit of the game," which is a reminder that they have no idea what that means. They're falling back on "how the game was designed to be played" as if this is something set in stone and unchangable. They are no longer trying to argue the technical or "legal" merits of multiboxing, because they get slapped down like the guy in that link. Or you get posters like Aedek, who went from complaining about it to trolling once he realized he was in over his head. To them I say, feel free to continue your crusade, it's not having the effect you intended.

[Korruptor]

reasonable lawyer
I would call this an oxymoron :PI'd call 'em unemployed.

[Tonuss]

@Gadzooks - ROFL, well worth being crit by a wall of text :)Heh heh. Could have made it a lot shorter by pointing out that unless you can prove some monetary damages, your civil suit isn't going anywhere. A lawyer might be willing to charge you an hourly rate to go through with the charade, though. If you think $75 a month is a lot, you're going to faint when you see what a lawyer charges!

[raz]

The wife and I made challenger last season (me playing 4 of my guys and her playing her resto shammy). I'd missed the part of the S4 announcement that said that titles would be delayed a week so thought we'd missed the cutoff.

[Hokusai]

Well... based on this, he may have a chance :P

http://2spare.com/item_65657.aspx

[Vyndree]

The wife and I made challenger last season (me playing 4 of my guys and her playing her resto shammy). I'd missed the part of the S4 announcement that said that titles would be delayed a week so thought we'd missed the cutoff.

That's two out of two thousand then.

Grats, btw!

[Wilbur]

Well... based on this, he may have a chance :P

http://2spare.com/item_65657.aspx

Most of those cases were probably won by the defendants lawyers thinking it was a joke and not turning up in court or something ;-)

[Sarduci]

ugh.. I wish there was a law against stupid..Why would elected officials want to put the people who voted them there in jail?

[Farleito]

They'd have to actually prove that multiboxing was a competitive advantage.


They should use me as an example... I'm like 5 wins, and 40 losses in 3v3. I feel ripped off. I seem to be lacking this "competitive advantage" that they speak of. Maybe I can turn in some marks of honor to get the [Competitive Advantage]?

<nelson> HA HA </nelson>

[entoptic]

The Terms of Use clearly state that "using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players" is not allowed.

- my gear is better then yours = a competitive advantage over other players :thumbsup:

[Kissell13]

Ive said it before and Ill say it again. Stupidity should be a crime punishable by death.

[Groovy]

Never underestimate stupidty.

[blast3r]

Holy crap did that guy ever give us an absolutely awesome blue post to quote. He just did more damage to the anti-boxing effort than all the others I have seen put together..me thinks..lol..AWESOME!