Question for those familiar with billing and names and such...

[PyrostasisTDK]

Ok so last christmas, my brother helped me out buying and setting up my boxing team. Anyways saw a lot of these threads about name issues... and got paranoid and went and checked.

So... I find out my main account is in my name, my other 4 are in my brothers. Same last name, same address, always been paid on my CC, all accounts are sequential... I.E. Raven1, Raven2, Raven3, Raven4 (no thats not my account name)

Do I have a shot with billing getting the one account fixed? or should I just say screw it and repurchase?

Im still low level so wont be an issue really... figured Id ask before I spent the cash.

Im aware its a bannable offense, just curious if folks have had luck with similar situations.

[Vyndree]

Make sure you are EXTREMELY clear that the accounts were a gift, and that you are the only person who has every played them.

This.

It's still not certain whether you will be able to get the account names changed, but if you clearly specify that your brother mistakenly filled out the account information and that the accounts were yours since inception...

...you MIGHT be able to change it... No guarantees.

[GizmoxLoW]

[JezPeRR]

I could not change the name even though i said the game a had was a gift, but since its your brother that have helped you
fill out the forms for creating your 4 accounts there might be a little chance for a name change, but Blizz are REALLY strict
about issues like these.

[Vyndree]

I could not change the name even though i said the game a had was a gift, but since its your brother that have helped you
fill out the forms for creating your 4 accounts there might be a little chance for a name change, but Blizz are REALLY strict
about issues like these.

It's a question of "worse"-ness:

Which is worse?
- Continue playing and potentially get banned later, after you character is 70 with full gear etc
- Call blizzard and explain the situation, see if account names can be changed. If not, then...
- Create new accounts now

[PyrostasisTDK]

Alrighty, will give them a call on Monday, I must say their analness (is that a word) about this issue really irks me. I have been playing MMO's for over 10 years now and my family and I frequently share accounts, characters, etc... I mean we are a family.

This is just above and beyond what I think is needed, but hey its not my game... so oh well. Thanks for the tips folks.

[Gadzooks]

Alrighty, will give them a call on Monday, I must say their analness (is that a word) about this issue really irks me. I have been playing MMO's for over 10 years now and my family and I frequently share accounts, characters, etc... I mean we are a family.

This is just above and beyond what I think is needed, but hey its not my game... so oh well. Thanks for the tips folks.

Ok.. everyone knows the rules... blah blah blah.. I follow the rules 100%... blah blah blah.... ok, with that out of the way.... :D

If you were playing SOLO (one account) - there is 1,000,000 to 1 chance you'd get caught account sharing. You'd have to:

a) tell everyone and report probably yourself.
b) use overseas power leveling service so you login in USA time zone IP address one minute, then Asian IP address the next minute. Pretty obvious at that point.

Now.. when you're multiboxing, it becomes clear-as-fucking-day. You'll get reported for just logging in. You'll get reported for standing next to a mailbox. You'll get reported for doing a Shaman light show. GMs will see you run through town (they play WoW too you know... ) and they'll be like "wtf.. I better check those guys out". (one of the most arrogant jerks I've ever played /raided with was a GM). You WILL get caught.Not to mention, if you report anyone else, and talk to a GM, they probably check your accounts while you're talking to them.

It's just a bad idea, don't do it. We get enough abuse, and now the crybabies are posting stuff from here to attack us with, to make it sound like we're all using illegal accounts.

[magwo]

And again. Blizzard's policies are incompatible with real-world usage and fair use. Sorry mate.

[Vyndree]

And again. Blizzard's policies are incompatible with real-world usage and fair use. Sorry mate.

Magwo, please don't make me lock any more threads.
http://dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=83784#post83784

If you want to discuss the ToU/Eula, do so in your own thread. Don't spam other threads with opinion that is not in-line with our community guidelines ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Board&boardID=31').

If you have a problem with Blizzard's ToU/Eula, I suggest you contact your legal adviser. These forums are not the place.

[zhenyalix]

wtf is this serious...? so say if my son wanted to multibox he could use my 4 accounts but not my wifes though it is in the same last name addy cc etc etc even despite its not a violation that each account is allowed to have one minor playing on it.... and how in the hell would blizzard be able to tell the difference....

Irritating thing is i already have a few 70's on the account thats in her first name... so i guess that means to be legit... i need to buy a 6th account move the toons over (which ironicly IS legit since everything else matches....) then cancel her account.... thats... just stupid.

[zhenyalix]

or better question... has anyone with this specific senerio actually seen a problem from blizzard >.<

[zhenyalix]

ehh excuse my flaming i just find it absurd that to be legit i'll need to buy a 6th acocunt and move all the toons over 'just because' the money isn't the issue, its more of a just being an irritating annoyance... still think i will be calling them before hand >.<

[gbremset]

GMs will see you run through town (they play WoW too you know... ) and they'll be like "wtf.. I better check those guys out". (one of the most arrogant jerks I've ever played /raided with was a GM). You WILL get caught.Having been one (It's over 6 months ago, so I can mention it, as long as I don't give away any secrets (As part of my contract of work)) I can tell you that most GM's are not arrogant jerks, but normal players like you and me.. who would rather go "omg.. look at that.. it's SO cool", when they recieve a report that someone has hacked the game and is playing around in Stratholme with 5 mages... Then zone in to the instance and watch you have a go at it, while being invisible.. (That's where I saw multiboxing for the first time)

A GM is in no way allowed to investigate anything on his own, but must stick to the ticket system. No GM can open anyone's account and view it, without that account being tied to a ticket that that GM is working on. (Very very very strictly monitored... )

[Drizzit]

Continue playing and potentially get banned later, after you character is 70 with full gear etc

That would be my luck. That is why i bought another account instead of using the wife's account. Thank god i read a post that said not to do that, if i didn't i would have 2 lvl 50 toons on that account that i would have to start over.

On a side note:
I know account sharing is okay for 1 minor. So here is the question my child is under 18. I let him/her use the account for themselves. They turn 18, they now have a couple t10 toons (just saying high lvl, cause they are not born yet), do you think blizz will let them transfer there toons to there own accounts? Or if i created the account in there name and have my toons on there, when they are 18 can i transfer them to my account? If you think about it legally they cannot create an account (there name cannot be the account name) sense they cannot legally accept the TOS.

I sort of hope that the kids don't multi box. She wants 2 of them so that would be 15 accounts a month. That is $225 a month and $2,700 a year. Hell they are going to pay for the accounts then...lol

[Drizzit]

Having been one

Would it be possible to talk about some of the things about being a gm in another thread? I would love to hear some of the stories and what you can do. Rather hear it from someone that has been one instead of rumors and the ghetto gm out there.

[Drizzit]

ehh excuse my flaming i just find it absurd that to be legit i'll need to buy a 6th acocunt and move all the toons over

If the accounts are not in the same name then you will not be able to transfer the toons. Some people where able to do that, but they where lucky, if they catch you, you could probably get both accounts band.

[Xuthus]

Really, what is the chance that a gm will go snooping around in the billing? I told my situation yesterday on another thread.Is it you think that all boxers will be suspect to account trading? I've seen account trading happening all around me guildies ,friends,and family .I think the chances are slim that you'll be targeted.

For me I'm going to continue my boxing with the accounts I own ,tho my kids used thier names to activate them I am still within the TOU as I read it.if I get banned F wow....on to a bigger and better MMO. Frankly wow's getting aged.

[Talamarr]

Here is the million dollar point:

With ANY rule, there is a chance that if you break it, you may never ever get caught; account sharing, botting, gold selling, whatever. But the point is that this community has a strict no-tolerance rule on encouraging people to break the ToU, even if there is a next to nothing chance of getting caught. Once you start down the path of telling people, "well, some guy has been getting away with for a few years so I'm sure you'll be fine", you open a whole can of worms that no one here wants to deal with.

The fairness of Blizzard's policy is certainly open for debate but not here. A better place is their suggestion forums.

[PyrostasisTDK]

Alrighty, so talked with a guy at billing and was informed Im screwed. I told him about the sequential account names, that they were a gift, that they had never been used by anyone but me, and that it was simple customer error as no other MMO is anal on these regards. He cheerfully informed me that I could buy 4 more accounts for 120.00+ bucks and be perfectly fine, he also informed me that I was in violation of the rules, and if I continued playing he couldnt stop me but I would most likely be banned.

The rest of the conversation got rather heated, so need to add that here...

Few things Id like to point out.

#1 it took 2 hours to get through their busy phone number... I dont understand why they dont upgrade their call center.
#2 There was 0 flexibility, as a customer, that rubs me extremely raw.

I understand there is an element here that hates to even so much as question blizzard in anyway form or fashion... then there is another element here thats legitimately pissed that a multibillion dollar company has poor customer service.

Rules are Rules, but ever once in a while rules get broken accidentally. Customers shouldnt need to pay 100.00 because they didnt read a 12 page document in legalese, especially when the rules are completely different than ANY other mmo.

[Xuthus]

Yeah that 45-60 mill a month is not enough revenue to support a call center along with all the developers . Hmm um maybe it is .but it doesn't affect the blizz only thier customers

[Xuthus]

Here is the million dollar point:

With ANY rule, there is a chance that if you break it, you may never ever get caught; account sharing, botting, gold selling, whatever. But the point is that this community has a strict no-tolerance rule on encouraging people to break the ToU, even if there is a next to nothing chance of getting caught. Once you start down the path of telling people, "well, some guy has been getting away with for a few years so I'm sure you'll be fine", you open a whole can of worms that no one here wants to deal with.

The fairness of Blizzard's policy is certainly open for debate but not here. A better place is their suggestion forums.I wasn't saying ,what are the chances i'll get cought cheating?,as I am not cheating,just whats the likelihood I will be scrutinized?

[Talamarr]

It really wouldn't surprise me if the GMs had a tool that showed your account name when they simply moused over your toons.

[Vyndree]

Customers shouldnt need to pay 100.00 because they didnt read a 12 page document in legalese, especially when the rules are completely different than ANY other mmo.

Really? I wasn't aware.

Do you mind quoting me another MMO that allows the transfer of accounts from one person to another?

[PyrostasisTDK]

Transfer no, allowed to play family members yes.

DAOC
EQ
EQ2
EvE
AoC
LOTRO

Shall I go on?

[badashh]

Edit: Against TOS/EULA.

[zanthor]

Customers shouldnt need to pay 100.00 because they didnt read a 12 page document in legalese, especially when the rules are completely different than ANY other mmo.

Really? I wasn't aware.

Do you mind quoting me another MMO that allows the transfer of accounts from one person to another?Asherons Call (Turbine/Microsoft) allowed the transfer of accounts and sale of items on e-bay for quite some time. I don't know if they ever changed it, but while it was not SUPPORTED, it was certainly allowed. I don't know of any other MMO that has seen commercial success that has even allowed it on that level, all others have clearly stated it was against the EULA/TOS. AC may have even disallowed it in the TOS and that was just their "forum friendly" version of "if you do, we won't help, but we don't care".

[PyrostasisTDK]

Why not just play the 4 accounts in your brothers name? They all have the same name, so they won't get banned. That way you could just buy a 5th account and level up on guy or just play 4, and find a friend?Thats basically what Im doing. Going to buy one more account so they are all under his name.

Oh, Vyndree. EvE online also allows you to sell accounts for in game money, transfering ownership. You can also give accounts away to friends as long as no real life money exchanges hands.

EQ2 also allows the sale of accounts, you have to transfer to the station exchange, but they have their own custom built site for that.

[Xuthus]

It really wouldn't surprise me if the GMs had a tool that showed your account name when they simply moused over your toons.let's stick to facts ok? no presumptions

[Sarduci]

Why not just play the 4 accounts in your brothers name?
Because it's against the TOS/EULA of the game. If someone hacks the accounts, he can't get them back without a matching drivers license or government issued ID, along with a notarized statement from what I remember someone else needing. No notary will stamp it without a corresponding valid signature and ID signed in person. It's a federal crime in the USA if they do. Nobody I know of will go to jail so you can play your game.

[PyrostasisTDK]

Why not just play the 4 accounts in your brothers name?
Because it's against the TOS/EULA of the game. If someone hacks the accounts, he can't get them back without a matching drivers license or government issued ID, along with a notarized statement from what I remember someone else needing. No notary will stamp it without a corresponding valid signature and ID signed in person. It's a federal crime in the USA if they do. Nobody I know of will go to jail so you can play your game.Account's being hacked arent an issue, thanks to the cool little key gadget!

As for the rest of the statement, its his accounts, who says he isnt playing them...

[Vyndree]

Asherons Call (Turbine/Microsoft) allowed the transfer of accounts and sale of items on e-bay for quite some time. I don't know if they ever changed it, but while it was not SUPPORTED, it was certainly allowed.

The problem is exactly that -- the moment a MMO company allows the sale of accounts, then accounts all of a sudden have value.

If accounts and virtual items had monetary value, then they would be taxable. This brings up a slew of new issues.

So, typically, MMOs use the "lease" style strategy where you are leasing the account from them, but they retain ownership. This is why, to my knowledge (which is why I asked), most MMOs do not support account transfer or sale.

The only MMO I know of that had embraced the "virtual goods for real money" was Second Life. And I was under the impression that they were pioneers of that.

[Vyndree]

its his accounts, who says he isnt playing them...

If his brother's name is on the accounts, they are not his accounts.

Sad, but true.

[PyrostasisTDK]

Problem is vyndree, just because the EULA says the accounts dont have value, doesnt make it valid. There have been a number of court cases recently that have counteracted EULA's and ToS's and found them to be flawed.

For instance, just because you sign an agreement that takes away your rights and lets you become my slave, doesnt make it a valid legal document. A lot of language in EULA's and ToS's is such language, granted not as extreme, but same logic.

SoE allows the sale of accounts via the Station Exchange.
Second life and Project Entropia do as well.

UO allows the rampant sale of accounts and gold with no policing, and even sell skilled accounts on their website. Basically, you pay for a headstart.

EvE allows you to buy game time with ISK (in game currency), your also welcome to trade your accounts etc here ('http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=734105').

I wasnt trying to be snippy... but as a MMO'er for 10 years, wow is the first company to enforce 1 player per 1 account... its just a drastic change from what Im used to. From a liability stand point it makes sense, its just completely different than the industry standard. Not all companys allow in writing for accounts to change names / hands, but its not stopped.

As for family members... I will say this is the first game that doesnt allow that.

Its their game, and their welcome to do it... just rubs some of us old timers the wrong way.

[PyrostasisTDK]

Sorry... didnt realize we couldnt post opinion here...

No reason to get all pissy.

[Talamarr]

let's stick to facts ok? no presumptions

Fine, but you asked what the likelihood is. How can that be based on fact? If you're looking for actually numbers, I'll bow out.

[PyrostasisTDK]

Did anyone talk about suing blizzard? No...

[Vyndree]

Problem is vyndree, just because the EULA says the accounts dont have value, doesnt make it valid. There have been a number of court cases recently that have counteracted EULA's and ToS's and found them to be flawed.

And I agree, this is definitely a gray area. I wasn't saying it was right, just that the game companies use the strategy to try and prevent themselves from getting sucked into this problem.

That's what I was getting at -- since they don't want to start getting in trouble for not having taxes on their virtual goods, they'll likely put in a clause that prevents selling accounts or in-game items in their terms/eula. Which is why I was under the honest impression that most games did not allow account selling.


Regardless of whether or not the ToU/Eula will hold up in court (and that's a conversation better suited for another forum, or at the very least not this thread), we as a community have our own rule that breaking the ToU/Eula is not to be discussed.

[Xuthus]

let's stick to facts ok? no presumptions

Fine, but you asked what the likelihoodis. How can that be based on fact? If you're looking for actually numbers, I'll bow out.I was referring to the "I wouldn't be surprised " statement .sorry didn't mean to blaze

[Drizzit]

If you dont' like Blizzard EULA/TOS... GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME.

Yea like Diablo :P

[Sarduci]

For instance, just because you sign an agreement that takes away your rights and lets you become my slave, doesnt make it a valid legal document. A lot of language in EULA's and ToS's is such language, granted not as extreme, but same logic.
Freedom is a basic human right in the USA. You can't sign away your basic human rights in the USA. Therefore, a contract based on that premise is invalid. Playing a video game is not a basic human right, and neither is owning property, real or virtual, a basic human right. Your basic human rights can be suspended or revoked in a Federal court. Rights must be specifically given or specifically taken away from my understanding. Things that are neither of those definitive statuses just have yet to be decided on by a court of law.

The only leg you have to stand on is that they call it a contract, and contracts require a negotiation to happen. Failure to negotiate, ie. demands without a counteroffer, do not meet the legal definition of contract in all states. Feel free to argue that it's all semantics and hairs being split, but that's what the law is, legal interpretations of rules written by someone other than a judge.

Edit:Whoa, hit over three pages while I spent time typing this, sorry if it's been covered.

[PyrostasisTDK]

Well Im not a lawyer so cant argue the legality, I just know there were a ton of news reports last year of EULA's coming under legal attack. Im sure they are available through google somewhere for those that are interested.

[Bovidae]

Warning: Opinion follows

It seems to me that the whole account sharing ban was originally conceived to protect an accounts integrity, and to combat 24/7 farming (aka Chinese farming). Thus actioning accounts used by ones spouse/sibling/roomate is a little extreme. It feels against the spirit of the game.

I would guess that a majority of account holders feel the same way, but only speak to the contrary, due to the sheer virtue that it is against the rules.

Is it really reasonable that an account can be closed because I let my friend control my character, from my desk, just to check it out? According to the TOS (and apparently many of you) my characters should burn in hell for such blasphemy..... and that's just unnecessary.

[Sarduci]

Warning: Opinion follows

It seems to me that the whole account sharing ban was originally conceived to protect an accounts integrity, and to combat 24/7 farming (aka Chinese farming). Thus actioning accounts used by ones spouse/sibling/roomate is a little extreme. It feels against the spirit of the game.

I would guess that a majority of account holders feel the same way, but only speak to the contrary, due to the sheer virtue that it is against the rules.

Is it really reasonable that an account can be closed because I let my friend control my character, from my desk, just to check it out? According to the TOS (and apparently many of you) my characters should burn in hell for such blasphemy..... and that's just unnecessary.And they wouldn't. You'd be able to reopen the account as the rightful account holder. Giving the account information to your friend so they can level while you work or do arena for you would probably get your account rolled back, toon deleted or gear removed.

[Vyndree]

Giving the account information to your friend so they can level while you work or do arena for you would probably get your account rolled back, toon deleted or gear removed.

This.

Let's not guess what is and isn't within the "spirit of the game". Only Blizzard can say what that is. And I agree, it's sucky to have something so vague in the rules.

Another part of the reason why account sharing isn't allowed is because you're supposed to be able to have an equal opportunity compared to other players. Granted, RL will get in the way and some people won't have as much time to play than others, but if you allow account sharing -- even as minute as "letting a friend check it out" -- then you're opening the floodgates to shared accounts where people can play almost 24/7 and achieve more than the average user would be able to.

If you want to "let a friend check out the game" you can very easily get them a trial key without compromising your own account.

[Mac]

Asherons Call (Turbine/Microsoft) allowed the transfer of accounts and sale of items on e-bay for quite some time. I don't know if they ever changed it, but while it was not SUPPORTED, it was certainly allowed.

The problem is exactly that -- the moment a MMO company allows the sale of accounts, then accounts all of a sudden have value.

If accounts and virtual items had monetary value, then they would be taxable. This brings up a slew of new issues.

So, typically, MMOs use the "lease" style strategy where you are leasing the account from them, but they retain ownership. This is why, to my knowledge (which is why I asked), most MMOs do not support account transfer or sale.

The only MMO I know of that had embraced the "virtual goods for real money" was Second Life. And I was under the impression that they were pioneers of that.Actually, the Swiss RCE now called Entropia Universe ( formally known as Project Entropia ) was way before Second Life. They would allow transfer/sale of accounts as long as you jumped through all their hoops.

[Knytestorme]

but as a MMO'er for 10 years, wow is the first company to enforce 1 player per 1 account...
Everquest enforced it quite rigidly....didn't stop account sharing amongst guildmembers (AN would never have had the world firsts we did if people didn't share) but it was clamped down on hard at times, and god help you if you got hacked and needed a restore with logs showing two significantly different ip's at times :)

[PyrostasisTDK]

I played eq for a year or so... my brother and I both swapped accounts many times, and account sales were rampant.

They didnt hunt you down and ban you for playing your familys account... blizzard does.

[Vyndree]

They didnt hunt you down and ban you for playing your familys account... blizzard does.

Actually, they don't. See my previous post about a one in a million chance at getting caught account sharing (especially with a family member).

When you multibox, you are a 1:1 chance of getting caught.

In all technicality, BLIZZARD doesn't necessarily hunt anyone down. It's the player reports. Players report you, and Blizzard investigates. Account sharing is one of the EASIEST things to find.

And how often do multiboxers get reported?

[Naylix]

One thing I've seen popping up several times, is the misconception of a minor playing on your account...

Yes, if you are the legal guardian of a minor, you can setup an account for him/her to play on. BUT THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT F****** PLAY IT YOURSELF! The rule of 1 person playing an account STILL applies. You setup the account for your son to play wow ? Then it's your son who plays wow, not you. You need to buy your own account.

This misconception keeps popping up. Simply put: you CANNOT accountshare with ANYONE, not even your offspring.

Just stop worrying about what you can or cannot do, it's simple as hell: Your name on the account, you play. Anything else is a no-go.

/Mwu

[Vyndree]

Yes, if you are the legal guardian of a minor, you can setup an account for him/her to play on. BUT THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT F****** PLAY IT YOURSELF! The rule of 1 person playing an account STILL applies. You setup the account for your son to play wow ? Then it's your son who plays wow, not you. You need to buy your own account.

This misconception keeps popping up. Simply put: you CANNOT accountshare with ANYONE, not even your offspring.

Incorrect.

Key word here is "and".

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

Eligibility.
You represent that you are an adult in your country of residence. You agree to these Terms of Use on behalf of yourself and, at your discretion, for one (1) minor child for whom you are a parent or guardian and whom you have authorized to use the account you create on the Service.


Of course, if you're concerned you can always contact the customer service forums and get clarification on this policy. But as I read it, you are allowed to create an account for yourself AND one minor child. Not "or".

[Bovidae]

If you want to "let a friend check out the game" you can very easily get them a trial key without compromising your own account.I'm sorry for baiting you, but I was hoping you'd say that.

How is rolling a level 1 trial account going to sell a person on this game? 5 minutes on my T6 mage has converted dozens of friends from EQ/EQ2/SWG/Vanguard/Halo and many more. Not to mention that you have to download nearly 3gb of patches just to be able to roll that lvl1 troll, so you can go out and get a crit for 6 dmg.

This has always been one of my pet peeves about Blizzard, this game is not friendly to new installs.

[Drizzit]

But the thing is your account is the way that you want to play it, not your friend's way. If they have no clue on how stuff working they probably get confused and frustrate and not play. There is a lvl 1 so you get to learn the game easier. Plus what happens when they die on your main with t6. It just cost you a couple gold to repair your stuff, or if they sold some of your stuff by mistake then you are screwed

[Drizzit]

5 minutes on my T6 mage has converted dozens of friends from EQ/EQ2/SWG/Vanguard/Halo and many more.

actually 5 minutes on a lvl 1 got me out of guild wars and FFXI. I found wow a more enjoyable game

[Vyndree]

How is rolling a level 1 trial account going to sell a person on this game? 5 minutes on my T6 mage has converted dozens of friends from EQ/EQ2/SWG/Vanguard/Halo and many more.

They can still watch you play your t6 mage. After all, you'd be better at playing it than they would.

I got into WoW by watching Suvega lead MC/BWL/AQ raids. I wouldn't have known wtf to do if he would've handed me the keyboard, but I still found it enjoyable to see what the endgame would be like.


For those who don't know, my first 60 dinged 2 weeks before Burning Crusade. I still regret not being able to participate in the 40-man content.


Not to mention that you have to download nearly 3gb of patches just to be able to roll that lvl1 troll, so you can go out and get a crit for 6 dmg.

They can still play the trial account on your computer. They don't have to install the game+patches on their own computer unless they want to.

What Suvega did was burned all the patches he had downloaded (they get placed within your C:\program files\world of warcraft folder) onto a CD-R. He handed me his install disks and the patches and I was able to just install them straight off the disks and patch from his patches with no download time. Of course, I intended to play the game even after the trial period so it was worth it to me to install. If it's just a "hey look and see" moment, I see no reason why they couldn't log in with their trial account name/password on your computer.



This has always been one of my pet peeves about Blizzard, this game is not friendly to new installs.

It's only as friendly as you want it to be.

You're not telling me that you still download all WoW patches individually for all your multibox machines? Or do you download them once and xfer them over the network to the other machines?

[Bovidae]

Oh no, I've got my setup in order, and has been for many years. But when I built my new machine, or helped others set up theirs, I had to have a 20 pack, because a getting from 1.12 -> 2.4 is not for the uninitiated.

[Naylix]

Yes, if you are the legal guardian of a minor, you can setup an account for him/her to play on. BUT THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT F****** PLAY IT YOURSELF! The rule of 1 person playing an account STILL applies. You setup the account for your son to play wow ? Then it's your son who plays wow, not you. You need to buy your own account.

This misconception keeps popping up. Simply put: you CANNOT accountshare with ANYONE, not even your offspring.

Incorrect.

Key word here is "and".

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html

Eligibility.
You represent that you are an adult in your country of residence. You agree to these Terms of Use on behalf of yourself and, at your discretion, for one (1) minor child for whom you are a parent or guardian and whom you have authorized to use the account you create on the Service.


Of course, if you're concerned you can always contact the customer service forums and get clarification on this policy. But as I read it, you are allowed to create an account for yourself AND one minor child. Not "or".

I stand corrected. I originally found this information on the forums, however, the interpretation there was, that it was not allowed.

However: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/legal/termsofuse.html

Relevant section quoted here:

In case you establish an Account for your child, you understand and accept that, it is your responsibility as the legal guardian to determine whether World of Warcraft is appropriate for your child. You may not share the Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one (1) minor child to use the Account when not in use by you. You are liable for all uses of the Account that has been enabled by you. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein, you acknowledge and agree that you shall have no ownership or other property interest in the Account.

My mistake, your (1) child can indeed play on your account, when not in use by you.

Trust Vyndree to weed out the silly posters mistakes ;)

[Vyndree]

Trust Vyndree to weed out the silly posters mistakes

Hey, you guys fix my math mistakes. :)

I get to be your ToU/Eula proofreader and you get to smack me upside the head when I turn 0.04% into 4% by accident.

[gbremset]

It really wouldn't surprise me if the GMs had a tool that showed your account name when they simply moused over your toons.They don't, but if you're reported, and they have to investigate you, they will open the account information for all the 5 accounts you're using.

[gbremset]

Yeah that 45-60 mill a month is not enough revenue to support a call center along with all the developers . Hmm um maybe it is .but it doesn't affect the blizz only thier customers

You might want to do some research on "the cost of running a business the size of blizzards" before you say anything else. Yes, they make a butt load of cash, but the profits aren't as wide as you may think.As an example.. There are approximately 350 game masters covering the european market, including seniors, and the starting salary is between 19 and 22000 euro per year depending on experience. (Customer service experience, not wow or gaming experience)

Someone do the maths please.. that's not mys trongest side. :P

[PyrostasisTDK]

thats 7.7mill a year

[Mac]

You're not telling me that you still download all WoW patches individually for all your multibox machines? Or do you download them once and xfer them over the network to the other machines?something tells me that I've been doing something very wrong... :whistling:


/looks for the search button again

[Xuthus]

Yeah that 45-60 mill a month is not enough revenue to support a call center along with all the developers . Hmm um maybe it is .but it doesn't affect the blizz only thier customers

You might want to do some research on "the cost of running a business the size of blizzards" before you say anything else. Yes, they make a butt load of cash, but the profits aren't as wide as you may think.As an example.. There are approximately 350 game masters covering the european market, including seniors, and the starting salary is between 19 and 22000 euro per year depending on experience. (Customer service experience, not wow or gaming experience)

Someone do the maths please.. that's not mys trongest side. :P


thats 7.7mill a year

Thx for proving my point guys.whats that 1-2 % With 10 million accounts worldwide I'm sure the revenue is staggering .Then the card games wow gear ect.... they probably invented multiboxing :thumbsup:

[Wilbur]

I can't believe people are still talking about this.

It really is *this* fucking simple.

If you play one account, are not the original owner and bought it, the chances are you probably won't get caught.
If you multibox several accounts with diffrent info, you are *FUCKING ASKING FOR IT* doesn't matter if its for a kid W/E it still looks bloody suspicious.

[Bovidae]

Actually, this thread was derailed days ago. It is now about the economy of Blizzard.