The new changes to Shaman, will it make multi boxing overpowered?

[datwunkid]

The only change that makes this COMPLETLY overpowered is the totems affecting your raid,
http://www.twentytotems.com/2007/11/stackable-totems-guide.html

Take a look, I think 25 shaman stacking Stoneclaw ( Yes Stoneclaw ) to Mitigate 25 attacks in 25 mans

Totem of Wrath 25 shamans x 3% = 75% bonus to crit and hit. Add in gear with +crit and you doubled your damage.

Healing Stream, OMG say about 2xx or 3xx Health with +healing in WOtlk with healing gear probably, about 5000-7500 every 2 seconds.

Grounding Totem, lolscrewcasterbosses

What do you think 25 shamans could accomplish if they stacked within 30-60 yards to gain 25 totem effects?

EDIT: Also this info on totems affecting raid is confirmed at the Shaman Booth in the WWI.

[The-Fallen-Frog]

This is great news!

add in the shaman polymorph for some added overpoweredness?


we'll see when WOTLK comes out? im definately thrilled.. cant wait!

[Icetech]

I'm sure they will put a limit on how many can stack.. otherwise... i will need some more pc's:)

[twobztwop]

Ya. You've got to figure that they have thought about that -- probably not even as it applies to boxing but just overall balance. I can imagine they have teams of people that go over this stuff and try to break the game with anything new that is added. So in that respect I'd guess whatever they implement is going to be somewhat balanced.

[Boylston]

This worries me, to be honest.

Shaman totems applying outside of just their party means they will either be nerfed in effectiveness or reduced to non-stacking, most likely. This will probably kill 4-5xToWs and other groovy benefits we can run with now.

[Depherios]

This worries me, to be honest.

Shaman totems applying outside of just their party means they will either be nerfed in effectiveness or reduced to non-stacking, most likely. This will probably kill 4-5xToWs and other groovy benefits we can run with now.Yeah, no way healing stream will stack if they do this ;(

[Mosg2]

1 Paladin 14 Shaman raids in WoTLK? :D

[Lyonheart]

if they DON'T nerf the stacking of some totems, than 10boxing 10 man instances will be much more viable. But even if the nerf totems somewhat, HEX will make 5 shamans even more instances friendly than they already are! I'm not worried about them nerfing ToW stacking .. or even healing stream. Just not grounding totems 8( . But truthfully .. they are not going to base nerfs on the possibility that there will be more than 5 shaman in a raid. That will happen but its limited to us nut bag MBs!
I'm looking forward to all the class changes! Warriors holding two hander in one hand ? wow! Hunter pet talents ?!?! Lots of great additions! oh and AE Shodowbolts fom warlocks !

[Bena]

this... with one small change (no stacking).. Blizz can do a big nerf to the MBs

Shaman totems applying outside of just their party means they will either be nerfed in effectiveness or reduced to non-stacking, most likely. This will probably kill 4-5xToWs and other groovy benefits we can run with now.

[Mosg2]

Hex is the best news evar.

[Jorai]

i think AoE knockback is going to be insane for shammies....ghostwolf it to the flag in EoTS and blow everyone off the bridge...if it winds up working that way...omg that would be so funny.

or summoning 2 ghost wolf to fight with you? and then turning into a ghost wolf yourself? 5 boxers = 15 ghostwolf....now where's my dog sled....

[Sarduci]

if they DON'T nerf the stacking of some totems, than 10boxing 10 man instances will be much more viable. But even if the nerf totems somewhat, HEX will make 5 shamans even more instances friendly than they already are! I'm not worried about them nerfing ToW stacking .. or even healing stream. Just not grounding totems 8( . But truthfully .. they are not going to base nerfs on the possibility that there will be more than 5 shaman in a raid. That will happen but its limited to us nut bag MBs!
I'm looking forward to all the class changes! Warriors holding two hander in one hand ? wow! Hunter pet talents ?!?! Lots of great additions! oh and AE Shodowbolts fom warlocks !Grounding isn't really stacking, so to speak. That's like saying searing is stacking.

[Pent]

I'm guessing these changes come as they nerf the stacking effect of most of our totems, this will probably do worse for multiboxing then not.
If they don't nerf totem of wrath stacking then they will shortly after release, because bringing 4 elemental shaman to every raid should not be a necessity and they know that

[merujo]

If they don't nerf totem of wrath stacking then they will shortly after release, because bringing 4 elemental shaman to every raid should not be a necessity and they know that

sadly, i still hope this doesnt affect non-raid partys, a friend of mine told that, it wont stack in raids.
meaning, since now totems will be raid-wide buffs, one ToW will be used in that way, and no more totems will stack. I guess Grounding Totems will work like always, but...healing streams and ToW's won't. I hope this isn't going to happen, but...

[Hokusai]

Maybe only certain totems will affect a raid and others won't? They should realise the power of ToW by now.

[blast3r]

Had no idea hex might be coming to a shaman near you! Oh I hope so!



Hex: Transforms the enemy into a random critter, reducing the target’s movement speed by 75%. While moving, the hexed target cannot attack or cast spells. Only one target can be hexed at a time. Only works on Humanoids and Beasts.

Range: 20 yard
Duration: 8 second duration
Cooldown: 1 minute

Note: does not break when Hex target is damaged, i.e. able to beat on things without them being able to beat back
Note: magic effect, can be dispelled, cleansed, w/e
Note: doesn’t heal the target like Polymorph
Note: there doesn’t seem to be a debuff after being hexed, so I would think a few shaman could chain-hex a target for a good amount of time while damaging it with some mechanism for diminishing returns to increase resistance to Hex
Note: the cooldown is not really giving Shaman an effective CC as Polymorph lasts a good 45 sec and can be recast without a 1 min cooldown

[Tonuss]

I think they're trying to address the "no CC" issue that many shaman complain about, without making it a 'true' CC. It will be effective in PvE and mildly effective in PvP, since it is dispellable and will probably be subject to diminishing returns.

As for totems affecting raids, I expect that they will limit the stacking abilities of nearly every totem, particularly Totem of Wrath. Even just two elemental shaman on a raid would mean an additional 6% to spell crit and 6% to spell hit for everyone, and that's not all that minor, IMO. They may allow healing stream to continue to stack, though. I cannot imagine people bringing extra shaman to a raid to stack it. I'm interested in how they'll handle Tremor Totem, though. Being able to protect every member of a raid from fear, charm, and sleep effects with a single totem? Having that kind of power stack? I can't see it happening.

[Ken]

My favorite part in that topic is where someone posts:
"Rules of Wow Forums Debate #1: If someone has to resort to 'responding' to you by posting on an alt below level 5 to keep arguing their point, then they know they've lost the argument and have essentially conceded defeat, but only continue bickering anonymously to try to make themselves feel better."

I am SO going to use that in new multibox QQ threads.

[Mokoi]

i think AoE knockback is going to be insane for shammies....ghostwolf it to the flag in EoTS and blow everyone off the bridge...if it winds up working that way...omg that would be so funny.

or summoning 2 ghost wolf to fight with you? and then turning into a ghost wolf yourself? 5 boxers = 15 ghostwolf....now where's my dog sled....

except i doubt every MBr will switch from ele to enhance for the 51 pt talent lol

[Lyonheart]

I thinkt he knockback (tooltip is wrong) is only 2 yards. Its not as powerfull as it sounds.

ANY knock back is good! IMO. its the same effect of an ae stun! I will be shocked if most of these changes go live! I mean for a single shaman it might be ok.. but multi shamans! OMG!

[Havelcek]

I would imagine that if you are under effects of totem that's not in your group there will be some kind of downscaling. They can't nerf 5-mans just in case someone wants to bring 25 shaman on a raid. I think they would have nerfed ToW stacking by now if they wanted to.

[Havelcek]

I would imagine that if you are under effects of totem that's not in your group there will be some kind of downscaling. They can't nerf 5-mans just in case someone wants to bring 25 shaman on a raid. I think they would have nerfed ToW stacking by now if they wanted to.

lol

Sorry. Blizzard can and will nerf shit for no logical reason what=so-ever. Look at all the PvE nerfs that came about because of Arenas? I know, but I think that's apples and oranges. They nerfed all kinds of PvE stuff in response to Arenas across the board.

[yarr]

if the knockback is not affected by diminishing returns..... think staggered knockback! A new way to deal with the annoying melee... also don't have to face them to use it... so its a good way to deal with melee who try to exploit multiboxers' inferior facing (at least i feel inferior when it comes to facing my toons in the right direction), combined with fire nova totems =D.

Also, if the knockback effect stacks, 5 of em would knock them back 10 yards if used at the same time! lol!

[Skuggomann]

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Hex is the best news evar.

Dont forget tunder! man rouge ownage of doom!

[Jorai]

except i doubt every MBr will switch from ele to enhance for the 51 pt talent lol

i did not know it was a 51 point talent, nor did i say anyone would respec for it...i just said it would be funny...LOL! ...

2 yards for a 51 point talent would be a waste for sure, but then again maybe the 20 yards is TOO much..we'll have to see how it pans out.

edit : i look forward to the knockback/shadowstep/knockback shadowstep ping pong that will go on haha

[Kalashnikov]

wow this is madness, really wanting to box 5 shammies now D: