just say no

[Catamer]

I'm sure you have all had this happen before that someone asks you to "drop one of your guys and lets do a dungeon". I was asked by not one but two different people to drop one of my guys and let them join me. They were both people I had talked to before but they are not from my guild ... but I relented anyway. The first guy had a level 70 druid and a 70 mage and I was farming my last totem of the void. I can pretty much do the farm with near zero deaths unless I just do something really stupid. I had several team wipes that I haven't had in a long time. first, he would tank out of range so I had to move the team to be able to cast making my stoneclaws worthless. He would stop the bomb throwers out of range as well. He was in bear form and was doing about 5% of the team dmg. Next he tried doing it with his mage and his dmg went up to 17% or roughly the amount of dmg my part time healer was doing but this presented a whole new set of problems. He would end up attacked something I wasn't and draw aggro then run behind my team. I would have to reface or move get LoS back so I could attack it. The healer is set to healing focus-target-target but since he was attacking the wrong thing he was rarely getting heals in time. The whole experience made each run 15-20 minutes longer than it needed to be and I was kind of glad when he wanted to leave. Then before I could start another run someone else asked the same question :cursing:

The second person wanted me to run him through SL. It was my first SL run as a team ( :pinch: a neutered team I might say ) . He was a hunter level 69. He was doing apx 10% of the team dmg. I had invariably dropped one of my part time healers which also happened to be the one dropping the tremor totem. We team wipped on the first fear cast, didn't do much better on the second fear cast even after I had fixed my totem drops. I seem to have a similar problem of him standing behind the team instead of with the team. if he did draw aggro I again had the problem of having get LoS on the target. We made it to the end though and it felt good to get there. I was suprised because I was expecting SL ( non heroic ) to be very hard and even :pinch: neutered it wasn't that bad at all. We then tried a SV run and had several team wipes there. I was stunned at the team wipes. I think I have only had a 1-2 team wipes in SV and that was only on the very first time against the first boss or the ventual really bad pull.

It's not really their fault per say and I learned a lot from doing it. I just need to teach them not to stand behind so I can LoS without moving. I have get each non-tank to macro up to /assist my main. If I have a tank join the team then I have to change all of my macro's to /assist tank.

I think the best option is to "just say no" and do my own thing.

[-silencer-]

I've been burned by PuGs, and even the occasional greedy kid within my own guild who /needs an item they would rarely use, yet would be a primary item for me. I'd hate to run an instance to find something I need, only to have someone doing 5% of the work end up rolling a 97 for the loot. Unless I'm helping a friend, I'm not running anyone through an instance unless it's an easy and quick run.

[Coltimar]

I did a few RFC runs for a buddy, and even that was painful and slow.

[Hokusai]

I was boosting an alt with my warlock in SM when I had a tell of the type 'can I join' but worded very nicely and politely, bear in mind that this was dual boxing for me if you can call it that. I agreed, and then made a friend for life that would bug me all the time for boosts for the character he originally sent me a tell from, and also several alts, including for twinks. This kinda annoyed me, and was another reason to motivate me to box 5 chars.

I should mention that with him in my group my speed and progress through instances was halved, and I wiped in places I would never have due to unwanted aggro WHEN you are going out of your way to help them! Seems like the only things that motivate people that I meet are lootwhoring, greed and self promotion, not qualities I admire in what should be a social game.

[Icetech]

I had a guy today tell me he would help me level my guys if he could play one... um no... But.. pvp will be hard.. you should let me run one for pvp.. um no....

[Mac]

/nod

just say no

Multi-boxing allows me to pursue my gaming interests without having to subjugate my anti-social tendencies.

To those that wisper me and type " can u run meh! ..." "I jus need teh xp..." "I jus wan teh one ting..." "I jus wan 2 c how is dun.."

I type:
/no
/shoo

[Havelcek]

The best part of being in the Zerg on Mag is only having to talk to other multiboxers =)

[Icetech]

I should move my to a multibox server...

[Catamer]

I'm on Hyjal and I've never tried a PVP server yet. I was looking at wowrealmstatus.net and it says Mag is 73% alliance. Do you have to be a multiboxing Horde just to survive there? Mag seems to have a pretty high load but I just may have to try it and see how it goes.

[Icetech]

naw, you will find that most alliance want to live and let live.. unless there are like 10 of them.. then they get the balls to attack lvl 40's in stv

[Fleecy]

Over the last couple of weeks I've expierenced a lot more people asking to come along on a run. I now even have a macro setup with my stock-standard answer. "Sorry, no. multiboxing is hard enough as it is and I don't feel comfortable having another person in the group with me. And my entire macro system is not setup for a 4 man group, it simply would not work for me." This usually results in 3 answers: 60% "Can you change your macros"/"Do you have to use your macros"/"Can I play one of the shaman" or 30% "Ok, let me know if you change your mind." or 10% "STFU, you're cheating anyway"

[Talamarr]

10% "STFU, you're cheating anyway"

Ok, swearing is an actionable offense. Its clearly defined in the ToS/EULA. Is swearing in an acronym? ;)

Really, what's the difference. In the grand scheme of life, is typing "fuck" any different than typing STFU? Honestly, we as a society are full of ourselves sometimes. It's like the censorship on TV "shiBEEP". Who are kidding here.

/rant off =)

[Nepida]

"It's not really their fault "

Sounds like it is their fault. There are 2 times I would pull in someone else.

If I know I can 4 man it (did it with ZF when I was pretty much done with the instance but someone wanted to see what boxing was.
If it is someone I know who doesn't suck and I know has an open mind. This is pretty much 2 people on my server I trust, 1 who I have done arenas with while way undergeared (hopefully soon I can do them while geared) and 1 who I haven't been able to do something with yet, but would be open.

[yarr]

i actually enjoy bringing along a guildy to my heroic runs. I think the only reason it's an enjoyable experience is because i run the "trinity" setup which is more conducive to having random pugs... less vulnerable to human error.

So far I havent found anyone who can match the damage of any of my shamans... except a mage who did a lot of AOE during a shattered halls run (i use a pally tank so can hold aggro over just about any AOE a mage can do if they are specced for -% arcane threat)

I would never try to run with any tank besides myself though. Simply because tanking is the most error-sensitive task and i hate having to trust anyone besides myself to hold aggro.

But yea, i would have absolutely no reason to bring someone i dont know to my instance run... not only would it be harder, but i would get less loot and 1 of my guys would miss out on badges.

[kllrwlf]

I think the best option is to "just say no" and do my own thing.

Multiboxing = Never say LFG. Never PuG.

I've had people not only ask, but DEMAND that I help them with this or that. /ignore was the reponse they got.Quoted for truth.

"Multiboxing = Never say LFG. Never PuG."

[Kissell13]

I actually took along some random lvl 70 dude to SM cath because he was arguing with me that its not possible do the things I was saying that mboxers do. So i told him to head up to SM and id be up to show him.(I really wanted to prove a point.) So i took him in and my pally and 3 of the shammys. I was lvl 40 and of course had the instance down at that point. I told him to just stand there unless it looked like I was gonna die and in htat case he could pop me a heal. Long story short we hit Mograine and whiteman and I tell him not to help at all. I pull and obliterate the two bosses and he just says "WOW, Im adding you to my friends list. I wanna see some more when you hit 70" Sometime its just fun to show off.

[Ðeceased]

I see your point. Battlestar Glactica uses "frak" instead of "fuck" - its pretty obivous. lol

What I'm getting at here is a simple report fo swearing could get these retards to piss off and leave us alone.

that made me cringed every time I heard it :S Inventing swearwords which mean the thing you want to say but can't say because it isn't PG friendly is such a load of cowpat.

anyways back on track :) I have a certain set of rules when I box and help someone..

If it's a stranger:

A) they will be kicked if:
are afk for 10 mins at a time
allow me to go afk if need be (I need to take care of things from time to time - and I am only doing this to help them)
consistently do things I tell them not too. ( I have a 5 times warning - 3 doesn't allow for mistakes imo sometimes - such as mistakenly running behind me, as this can be accidental but giving them 3-4 chances and explanations why they can't do that will usually make them learn)

B) I make clear to them that I need them to do something (assign them a roll, they usually feel like they are contributing). this usually makes the whole experience a lot more pleasant because they rly want to succeed in what theya re doing (unless of course they want you to wipe)
C) Master Looter - no debate, if they want something from the start they must specify what - and if we both want the same I do a 50-50 roll before the boss (usually i can do it alone if he decided to HS - at this point I have another on my blacklist :) ) I don't mess around either, if they won the roll I give it to them, even if they have been a pain in the ass, but have done every thing i say.

D) set out the rules of position and attack:
they must always remain in front of my group (except for possibly my main). If they draw agro they should expect me to heal them and not run about (stay put).
if they are a CC class (mage for instance) then they should CC once combat has started and CC at random (better they do that then dps the wrong mob) when they see who I am attacking, follow in suite.
If they are a tanking class, they should do their job in holding mobs, If I steal agro let the mob be (it will die before it can do anything)
If they are a healer :) <3 just heal when needed (not much to be done tbh :) and is a free ride most of the time - i don't mind so much because it allows me to 100% dps ftw)

It may sound strict but if they follow those rules the run is usually just as fast as my normal team (especially with a healer), and usually very enjoyable for them and myself ^^ once they get past the whole, omg this guys is soo dictatorial part :P

if it's ppl I know :) then they have no doubt already experienced my boxing and thus know what to do :) a friendly group kick and re-invite usually reminds them of what they did wrong :P

as far as healing goes :) I have a focus dps/heal macro, this I normally use for Earthshocks etc but under these circumstances I use it as a heal for the new team member. If there are more then 2 ppl, then I set the focus on the person most likely to take more damage (a tank or ehn sham for instance) and then heal the other with a round about chain heal.

using that means I tend to have good experiences with other players :)

[Ken]

If I have a tank join the team then I have to change all of my macro's to /assist tank.
Use a better macro system and you don't have that trouble anymore.
Do set a focus(/focus [someone]) on each toon and change all your macros so they work with the current focus or focustarget.
Now your system works with any team setup.

[Nepida]

If I have a tank join the team then I have to change all of my macro's to /assist tank.
Use a better macro system and you don't have that trouble anymore.
Do set a focus(/focus [someone]) on each toon and change all your macros so they work with the current focus or focustarget.
Now your system works with any team setup.

If it is a warrior you don't want to be assisting them with every cast. You only want to assist to get their main target (they will be getting secondary aggro on other mobs). I would still have my guys assist my main (using w/e method you want), then I (on my main) would assist the tank. This would cause a slight target switching lag on the clones but I doubt it would have any effect. The other advantage to doing it this way is if you want to take out a non-tanked mob quickly. Shaman are great for "tanking" casters between Shocks and Grounding totems.

[Stealthy]

I should move my to a multibox server...


I'm on Hyjal and I've never tried a PVP server yet. I was looking at wowrealmstatus.net and it says Mag is 73% alliance. Do you have to be a multiboxing Horde just to survive there? Mag seems to have a pretty high load but I just may have to try it and see how it goes.

Get your asses on Mag and join us!! So many boxers our guild roster broke lol! :P

We can hook you up with bags and startup cash as well if you're rerolling.

Cheers,
Stealthy

[sparvath]

i follow 2 simple rules

1. Never bring anyone to an instance unless its a guilde
2. There is no exception to rule 1

I dont mind helping others killing a hard outdoor elite. But I always do it ungrouped with them. I let them tag it and once that is in place I nuke it to bits.

[Chibi]

well my toons are only lv 16 but i succefully did half of RFC already without any deaths (mind you i stopped after the troggs so that was the easy part :D), anyways when i was in there someone saw i was multiboxing and asked if he could join me, told him all my toons where in there, for the next 20 minutes he kept spamming me to the point where he demanded he could join or he would report me :rolleyes:
it's weird really, Terenas EU has it's own website, and allot of people are nice, but ever since i started multiboxing I had so much hate towards me
ah well i'll laugh at them when i boost myself through instances while they struggle to get the usual tank/healer :D

[shaeman]

Throughout my time playing wow I've followed a simple set of rules.

1. Don't be nasty to anyone.

2. Say No.

3. If they don't accept the no or the second no your time is better spent not engaging with that person and /ignore is your friend. (And will annoy them more than any trading of insults ever will).

I would suggest inviting them in and then proceeding to engineer their death as many times as possible (easier if they are tanking) or just keep going "BRB", "Phone", "Someone At the Door", "Cigarrette", "My dinners ready - I'll be 15 minutes" and waste as much time as possibl. But this also wastes your time.

[HPB]

For dualboxing/boosting, pugs aren't so bad. I love boosting with either guildees or even with pugs, more xp for my alt. I've usually done the instance a few times already and have the gear I want. I put my alt on pass on loot, and my main as well. I don't worry about them getting aggro, they're back so far, busy looting the whole time 8)

[Quix]

..... they're back so far, busy looting the whole time 8)I loled, I have friends like this.