HOWTo - Set up Maximizer (Updated PiP)

[Diamndzngunz]

This is for keyclone v1.8c 15feb2008a ('http://www.solidice.com/keyclone/keyclone_v1.8c_15feb2008a.exe) and v1.7

Adding PIP instructions.
Well without having to make new screen shots ill just explain it.
In the New Version of Keyclone you have under the maximizer options. Something called PiP. This allows you to swap your wow windows.
That way if your main Dies you can press the selected key to swap out that window with another window. To do so:
Go to the Maximizer options, selction a region then click in the PiP box and simply press a key you want to swap that WoW out with.
Also do this when making new regions.
So for and example.
F9 = Region0
F10 = Region1
F11 = Region2
F12 = Region3

So when your on Region0 and you want to switch to view Region1 click F10. Simple as that.


MAXIMIZER
First you want to make sure how ever many Characters your going to run
you want those WoW's to be in Windowed mode.

Step:1
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Ok so you have Keyclone Opened up. Click the Setup button
We are gonna start with Maximizer first this time.

Step:2
Click the Maximizer Tab.
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You will see a Grid layout. Which represents your monitor.

Step:3
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Click the + Button on the top left of the Grid. A colored box will appear.

Step:3-Con
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Using the white circles. You can resize and well as click the box and move it around. I made it Span across the screen.
At the top you will see
region0 (the region being that box)
x,y (X axis and Y axis of your box)
w,h (Width and height of the box)
snap-to-grid (On or off you make the call. Just makes so it will attache to the grid)
enable maximizer Turn this on.
When your finished with that box move on to the next using the + again.

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After you done setting up your windows you should see something like that. I added the regions text so late in the tutorial we will be using them.
Hit apply then ok.

Step:4
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Next Click the Command Editor Button. You will see Some Options.

Step:5
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Command To help associate which account this will be. IE bob.
Program Point it to you wow.exe file.
Region Ok refer to you Maximizer. This window call it region0
wow:username Will auto input your wow username.
wow:maxfpsbk Max Frames Per Second Background. For non-active windows the maxfpsbk will be 15
wow:maxfps The active WoW window will be maxfps of 45
You can set the settings to whatever you feel like your computer can handle. If it can't handle 45fps lower it. Lower the bk from 15 to 5 if you want.
Once you have the stuff inputted, go ahead and click the +

Now repeat the process per account. Remember to change each region point.

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Now once your finished and all is well it should look like this.
Make sure you hit apply and then ok.

Step:6
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In the lower left corner you should see a blank box.
Type your COMMAND code here IE bob for that account. (atm the command is case sensitive. make sure it matches with upper and lower case or it will not run the command.)
Click Connect
WoW should open op and the window resized to the proper region.

Repeat the steps per account.

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In that drop down box after words it will all be saved.
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YOUR FINISHED!

It should look something like this
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Mine looks messed up ATM but I just threw something together.



This is For keyclone v1.7s 07dec2007

MAXIMIZER
First you want to make sure how ever many Characters your going to run
you want those WoW's to be in Windowed mode.

Step:1
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9495/startqg4.jpg
Ok so you have Keyclone Opened up. Click the Setup button

Step:2
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Next Click the Command Editor Button. You will see Some Options.

Step:3
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In the Command field. Add the Name of your First Account here. I named it Bob.
Next Click the Program button and Nav your war to the WoW.exe file.
Click the Box next to wow:username and type your username. IE. Bob
wow:maxfpsbk 15
wow:maxfps 45 Now for these two options I dont fully understand but from what I have seen in Keyclone's (rob) posts those are the set setting I have seen.
After all the info hit the + button

Step:4
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Now you will see Bob in the Command box.
Now for your next WoW account. Re-do step Step:3

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You Now Have 2 accounts in the Command Field. If you have 3,4,5 accounts then again repeat Step:3

Step:5
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Click the Maximizer Tab.
You will see a Green Empty Box.
Click enable maximizer

Step:6
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Left Click the Box. Four Small boxes will appear. This is the Set up for Quad Boxing. This Tutorial is for Dual.
Now to play around with how many Screen you want to work with you need to Right Click the small boxes. For Dual boxing you would want to right click the left and right box.

Step:6 Con
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It will then look like this.
Hit Apply and your done.

Step:7
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Now back on the Main Menu.
You will see on the Lower left Connect and a Blank Box.
In the Blank Field. Type Bob for the bob account.
Then Click Connect. WoW will Open and Place the box on the left hand side of your screen.

Step:8
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Repeat the process for account#2 Bob2.
Connect. WoW. will open and be placed on the left side of your screen.

Step:8 Con
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You Now have both accounts in the drop down box.

YOUR FINISHED!

Now if you have done this right it should look like this.
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[Vyndree]

BAHAHAHA I fixed it. ;)

[Diamndzngunz]

/love

[Vicker]

Excellent stuff.

*tag*

[driek]

great this is what i needed to know

great job !

[gankzer]

ditto. thanks for taking the time to post

[tongy1]

Does it cost anything too use MultiBoxing? :(

[Diamndzngunz]

wrong thread. Read other stickies and the wiki.

Side note, I am working on a update for this. Need to make new pics.

[Deathtrip2k]

hmmm, i got the newest veriasion of keyclone (1.8k) and the part when i left click the window in maximizer (step 6) dont work, how do i do this? Either my windows become verry strect out or very compact...

[khurzog]

how do you use maximizer without using windowed mode? i have maximizer set to use two seperate monitors, but without windowed mode, it refuses to put my second wow on the second monitor. problem with windowed mode is that i get 5-10 fps :-( so im stuck either alt-tabbing, or playing in slow motion, any help?

[keyclone]

that is due to the size of the small regions compared to the larger one.
you need to keep the width to height ratio the same for all windows.

to determine the ratio.. do the math: width / height = aspect ratio

so... an 800x600 window would have a ratio of 1.33333 and a 400x300 window would also have a 1.33333 ratio.

make sense?

[Vunpac]

ok I'm not sure if I'm just a moron but I seen a couple videos of people who opened all their windows with 1 command... how do I do that insted of selecting each command individually? :huh:

[elsegundo]

ok I'm not sure if I'm just a moron but I seen a couple videos of people who opened all their windows with 1 command... how do I do that insted of selecting each command individually? :huh:Under "General", "startup commands", type in the names of the commands seperated by semicolons. make sure dialog box is also checked.

[Vunpac]

ah that worked :) thanks for that.. although now I do feel like a moron haha.. thanks again

[Velanus]

I am hoping to dual box just the two toons using one computer with two monitors. The two monitors are different sizes the main one being 1680x1050 and the second one being 1280x960. Is it possible to run the two windows at these sizes on the two different minitos as stated? If so how do I go about setting this up using keyclone v1.8?

[keyclone]

@Velanus

yes. just go to keyclone/setup/maximizer and configure a region for each display (you can change the display using the combo box on the right side of the panel).
then specify the region names in the appropriate commands.

the only limitation would be that those resolutions do not have the same aspect ratios. as such, if you tried to pip swap, they would look squashed or stretched.

[Velanus]

I got them coming up in each monitor ok that wasnt really the issue, the problem i was having was setting the correct resolution for each monitor. 1680,1050 does not seem to be in the drop down menu of resolutions. Also i set both at different resolutions but when i launched they seemed to be put back to 800x600

[zanthor]

I got them coming up in each monitor ok that wasnt really the issue, the problem i was having was setting the correct resolution for each monitor. 1680,1050 does not seem to be in the drop down menu of resolutions. Also i set both at different resolutions but when i launched they seemed to be put back to 800x600

Just type it into the box following the format of the otehr settings (I think "1680x1050" is accurate). The box doesn't have 1680x1050 but if you type it in it works just fine.

[Vunpac]

I got them coming up in each monitor ok that wasnt really the issue, the problem i was having was setting the correct resolution for each monitor. 1680,1050 does not seem to be in the drop down menu of resolutions. Also i set both at different resolutions but when i launched they seemed to be put back to 800x600

Just type it into the box following the format of the otehr settings (I think "1680x1050" is accurate). The box doesn't have 1680x1050 but if you type it in it works just fine.
Also no matter the size of the boxes or windows it usually runs smooth if you use the same res for all of them.. I have 2 monitors also 4 windows on 1 and 1 on my main and using the same rez even though the 4 are tiny ass boxes on a 19" monitor and my main monitor is a 32" tv so the resolution is squished on my second monitor but it still runs smooth.. but also pip swaping is faster then ever and keeps the res smooth on the other window on your main monitor.. just all my opinion anyway :D

[algol]

the only limitation would be that those resolutions do not have the same aspect ratios. as such, if you tried to pip swap, they would look squashed or stretched.I take it you can't do black-bars as necessary on the bottoms/sides of the secondary screen a la movie playback? I'm a bit curious since I have a 16:10 main monitor with a 16:9 HDTV above it ATM.

[keyclone]

sure... set your background to black and position your windows accordingly

:D

[algol]

Oh, good, that's how I *thought* it worked from looking at your site. The "squashed" comment confused me.

Edit: Hey look, a 1-1 option! Still no clue about the squashed...ah well. It works, that's the important bit. :love:

Edit again: OOOH, "those" resolutions, as in the ones he was trying to set...okay, I'm an idiot. :D

[kayes2000]

Hey folks,

Is it normal that my mouse stops for 0,5 sec when im moving it from one region to another?

Also, Is it possible to make the regions not beeing always on top? when I open something it goes behind the regions when my mouse strafe over them.

[keyclone]

howdy Kayes,

two birds... one stone...

go to keyclone/setup/general and UNCHECK focus-follows-mouse

that should resolve both questions... but now you'll need to click once to active each window, then click to interact

[kayes2000]

Thanks alot :)

[dozix]

is it possible to use maximizer with other games? such as eve online. either running 2x eve or 1 wow 1 eve.

[keyclone]

yes, but getting the game into the region can be an issue depending on the game

you could run the game normally, then manually add the game window to keyclone... then right-click it in the keyclone list. select 'maximize...' and select the region you wish it to be in

[Kel]

Anyway to link different commands to PiP?

I'm trying to work out a set-up with 2 druid where I can have them doing various things driven by the action bar page they have showing. I could set this up with different keys, but ideally what I'd like is for it to change intuitively when I change the PiP, trouble is I have more than two action pages and only two PiP commands (which don't seem to be working quite right, but I'll put that down to me not setting it up correctly at this stage). A bit more detail, to try and explain better what I'm trying to do.

I'd like to have my druids set-up for various grouping scenarios, but I'd also like whichever screen I'm on at the time to function as the main toon (so whichever screen I'm currently on I click shift to cast from that toon and ctrl to cast from the other, rather than thinking shift for charA and ctrl for charB). I'm planning to achieve this via various action bars, as follow:

For DPSing:
Bar1, ToonA DPS main, ToonB DPS alt
Bar2, ToonA DPS alt, ToonB DPS main

For Healing and DPSing instances:
Bar3, ToonA Healing main, ToonB DPS alt (different from above though)
Bar4, ToonA DPS alt, ToonB Healing main

For Healing raids:
Bar5, ToonA Healing Main, ToonB Healing alt
Bar6, ToonA Healing alt, ToonB Healing main

Idea being if one runs in to a problem (or oom) I can switch and do the same actions from the second character without having to try and remember what weird key combo I need to press to get something done.

If this was just one switch it would be simple, I'd set my PiP button for ToonA to switch to the ToonA main bar and the ToonB alt bar and the PiP button for ToonB the other way around. But what I'm really looking for is 6 keys (or less with modifiers), but still linking in the two PiP function keys.

I was thinking this might be possible with hotstrings (which I've never used), but wasn't sure if it would act like an in-game keypress (so not activate the PiP).

So, say I bind actionbar1 to F1, 2 to F2 and so on, could I make a hotstring so that when I press # for example it presses F1 and my PiP key?

[gunners]

I currently have wow macros set up on F1 F2 and F3, i have setup PIP to swap between my 3 alts using LCtrl F1 LCtrl F2 and LCtrl F3, however , its very frustrating because when i use the LCtrl F1/F2/F3 combinations, the windows dont swap and the macros execute instead, sometimes the windows swap most times not though.

[Exo]

EDIT: I figured out my problem, I had a few numbers wrong.

Hello,

I'm new to Keyclone, but have been dual-boxing WoW for over a year now. Primarily I just 2box, but I do have four accounts that I will sometimes use to either 3box or 4box. I have a question about PiP and Keyclone. My monitor's native resolution is 1920x1600 and I want to run that resolution for my primary region (region1) and have the second region (region2) just be a PiP over the top when I'm only 2boxing. After reading many of your great posts, I have had no problem getting Keyclone setup, except, that it does not keep the 1920x1600 resolution that I configured. It always reverts back to 1600x1200 in game. I have my region2 set with the same aspect ratio as region1 at a size of 384x320.

My main problem with this resetting the resolution is that if I change my mod/bar layout to fit 1600x1200, then when I'm not dual boxing and want to run at 1920x1600, I have to redo my all my mods. I've even tried playing with the UI scale option in game, to counter this effect, but since 1600x1200 isn't the same aspect ratio, it doesn't really work either.

Here is my configuration:
D,1920,1600
R,'region1','\\.\DISPLAY1',0,0,1920,1600,(119.0),( 1920x1600),0
R,'region2','\\.\DISPLAY1',0,700,384,1020,(120.0), (1920x1600),1

Am I doing something wrong? Is this possible?

Thanks!

Exo

[mildigity]

hi im just starting boxing and the maximizer works at frist when the news window comes up and when i click play it goies back to full screen how do i fix this?

[DLoweinc]

you shouldn't be pointing to launcher.exe, you should to wow.exe that should fix it i think?

[darkzor]

ok so i started dual boxing 2 days ago and it was fine til i wanted to 3 box so i followed every step in this guide but did a setup for 3 boxing but now when i open it up with keyclone instead of goin to the maximiser option i set it region0 up top and regon1-region2 down the bottom it just pops up in window form, i dont get it O.o it was working before when i dual boxed and now my step 6 box is clogged with all these different things i tried to make it work again :,( now i dont know how to get it all working again, please help!!

[keyclone]

hmmm... check the region name of each command. compare those names with the region names in your layout.
make sure they match EXACTLY, case and all.

and of course, make sure 'enable maximizer' is still checked

if you're still having issues, drop me a PM and i'll see what i can do.

Rob

[Mercurio]

Edit: Deleted double post

[Mercurio]

I have two major questions (somewhat related):

1) The first is about the resolution setting in the maximizer screen that is just to the right of the "enable maximizer" checkbox. This seems to default to 800x600, has a number of selectable resolutions in the dropdown (including a "1 to 1" entry), and I believe it also can be typed over to specify any XxY resolution. The question is... what does it do? My assumption has been nothing because it seems to me that I'm setting resolutions for the regions to whatever I want them to be when I define my regions in the top portion of the maximizer settings screen.

2) My bigger question is what I should be setting my resolutions to on my 30" monitor while playing 5 clients. Having tried out basic schemes of where the main and slave regions are located on the screen, I've decided I like to have the four slaves in a column on the left side of the screen and the rest of the monitor used for the main window. My monitor runs at a default resolution 2560x1600. So I've been using the following settings:
Region x, y w, h
slave1 0 , 0 512, 400
slave 2 0, 400 512, 400
slave 3 0, 800 512, 400
slave 4 0, 1200 512, 400
main 512, 0 2048, 1600

This allows me to use the entire 2560x1600 resolution of my monitor and things look quite nice. I've kept the resollution drop-down at it's default 800x600 and basically ignored it. I guess the ratios of the slave and main windows aren't exactly the same in this configuration, nor are they the same as the 800x600 setting in the drop down, but it does make the most of my monitor.

Running this way since WotLK I've noticed that swapping windows is pretty slow and I can only swap about 5 times before the video card (a 8800 GTX) starts producing artifacts on the screen and my FPS goes to 3, which requries a reboot to fix. So I don't use the swapping feature much. But even if I don't window swap there will come a time 3-4 hours after playing that I'll get the artifacts and 3 FPS thing anyway and have to reboot. Not sure if this is related to how I set up maximizer.

However, messing around today I thought the drop down might actually do something, so I figured since it has a ratio of 4:3, maybe all my windows ought to have that same ratio. So I came up with a new scheme that makes the slave regions, main region, and drop down setting all have the same ratio of 4:3. Here it is:

Region x, y w, h
slave1 0 , 0 512, 384
slave 2 0, 384 512, 384
slave 3 0, 768 512, 384
slave 4 0, 1152 512, 384
main 512, 0 2048, 1536

This fills the width of my monitor, but only takes up 1536 of the 1600 pixels on the vertical portion of my monitor. It looks a bit odd, but isn't that big a deal.

The question is.... is there something "better" about the 2nd setting where all the scales match? Does this matter or should I just go back to the first settings I've been running for 8 months or so pretty happily? What advantage does matching the scales of the slaves and main give me? What advantage does matching the region scales to the drop down setting scales give me?

OK, enough of this - just wanted to make it perfectly clear what I was asking. Thanks in advance for sharing your wisdom on the matter.

[keyclone]

@Mercurio
the in-game resolutuion (just below the PiP field and to the right of 'enable maximizer') tells the wow originally associated with the region, what resolution to render in. wow then goes about rendering as if it will display to those dimensions.

if you want to insure the aspect ratio of your regions is correct, thereby making the minimap a circle and not a football or egg, then you want to keep the dimensions of the region (on the top right) to be some scaled ratio of the in-game resolution.

also, when you swap around, if the dimensions you swap to are not the same, wow could (i have no knowledge of their actual code) re-render the surfaces as the wow gets repositions/resized. so, the best idea would be to keep the large region (which you are swapping to) the same ratio as the smaller regions. this way, its just like a simple resize for wow and (hopefully) no re-render should be required.

there are numerous example layouts on the main site (link ('http://solidice.com/keyclone/layouts/index.html') )

[Mercurio]

Keyclone,

Thanks for the quick feedback. I took a look at all your example layouts. It looks like my first configuration was just fine - all I needed to do was change the in-game resolution from 800x600 (a 1:1.33 ratio) to 1024x800 (a 1:1.28 ratio that matches my region's ratios). I did this and things look slightly cleaner - I guess I've been looking at things slightly skewed from normal for the past 8 months.

Playing around for 15 minutes or so, performance doesn't seem to be affected. One of my worries was that the higher the in-game resolution was set, the harder the video card would have to work, but it looks like settings of 800x600, 400x300, or even 4x3 would produce exactly the same result.

So the bottom line on in-game resoultion is that it is simply a way to match the region ratios and has nothing to do with the actual number of pixels displayed (let me know if that's not right).

Thanks again!

[keyclone]

recently, for performance, i have started using a different approach to the in-game resolution.

let's say the big region is 1280x1024 and the little regions are 320x256. originally, i would recommend setting the in-game res to 1280x1024... but this would result in ALL regions rendering at that res, which can be fairly intensive. (ie: for 5 regions, that would be roughly 1280x1024x5 pixels or 6.6m pixels per frame)

instead, i decided to try cutting the in-game resolution by 50%... so instead of 1280x1024... i would set it to 640x512. i figured this would reduce the number of pixels to render drastically (down to 1.6m pixels in the example.. a 75% reduction in rendering requirements) while allowing for a simple 200% zoom on wows part when rendering the main region (a 200% zoom is almost trivial compared to scene rendering)

i hope that makes sense. give it a shot and see what you think.

[skullchewer]

i like your tut iv gone though is and have it set up but as soon as i log on with the to acc im running but my prob is it still cant get the Picture in Picture to swap iv redid al my key bindings and still no go

[keyclone]

are your wows maximized? did you set the PiP hotkey (found just under the maximizer area, just above the in-game resolution spot)?

[skullchewer]

i did fig it out i had some one in chat help me

thanks