Site Suggestion

[Kissell13]

I have noticed some of the members of the community beginning to become upset with the advent of more and more people coming into this hobby/whatever and doing no research at all and asking really dumb stuff that has been covered before. I was thinking that maybe you could restrict access to new posters and limit them to only posting in certain forums. Once they hit an acceptable number of posts and/or prove themselves to have valid questions then the receive full access to the rest of the site. Just an idea. Also they should still have access to view all forums, only restricted access to posting.

[Kedash00]

that is not a bad idea

[neux]

I'll say: MAKE ONE HUGE ICON BY [portal][forum][Im n00b, How Multi-BOX?][members][etc..]

witch will direct to newbies forum or Vandree's compilation of guides.

[nogbog]

Yeah sounds good, its more of a bandaid fix.
It would be better if all the stickies were cleaned up/removed from the stickies (they're in the wiki after all).
Right now its really hard to learn anything if your a total noob.
I know i certainly have trouble finding information i need (i get it in the end). Didn't noticed the wiki existed or even the menu when i first came here.

[Ellay]

Vyndree's done a great job cleaning up the Stickies and providing links and I've been chopping off the stickies in the process, it's getting much cleaner :)

[nogbog]

Vyndree's done a great job cleaning up the Stickies and providing links and I've been chopping off the stickies in the process, it's getting much cleaner :)ya she's been doing an awesome job,
i probably should have said that first!

[Diamndzngunz]

We should not have to do all that, people need to learn to read and look for information before they ask the same question that has been asked 800times before

[Turenn]

I think it is a bad idea. The people the constantly ask for help will imo never be able to level toons to 70. They will lose interest and stop MBing. Let's face it Multiboxing isn't for everyone. If this was implemented the people that actually read the stickies and are able the gain the knowledge by reading, would maybe put of the site, because of a min post requirement.

I for one am more of a reader then a person that has a huge post count.

And how would you rate the post? Would the let's say min 50 posts have to be real posts, not just the, I agree, and good idea posts. It would be a huge job to filter out the crap...

A solution could be that a moderator make a post in the silly question post that they read the stickies, and move the tread to a "how not to ask for help section of the forum", could end up being quite funny actually. But, all in all it will mean more work for the moderators.

[Coltimar]

I have 3 kids, one on the way in November. Don't feed the trolls, lol. If you give them free info they never learn, but if you keep directing them to the wiki and stickies they will eventually learn something.

[HPB]

Lots of Yahoo Groups that teach about programming and MUDS send out an email with a document for new people during sign up. If we had one fairly all-inclusive FAQ/Tutorial document in a PDF format that could be emailed out during sign up and was also available for download from the site that would help. You could always point new posters to the document if their question has been covered. The forums and the wiki are great, but obviously newer people have a hard time knowing what questions to ask and where to find information. If the basics were in one file that'd be helpful.

[leukos]

I'll toss out my peanut gallery comments:

- A minimum post count would just encourage people to grind out their post count. We play Warcraft, it enforces that behavior pretty well, I'd rather not see the same pointless behavior encouraged here as well.

- Lets face it, the average person is average. This usually means the "elite" think they are a waste of oxygen and should be removed from the breeding stock, I know I do, but if we get rid of them then the elite would be average. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't like being average. I want to be a unique and individual snowflake - just like everyone else.

- Stupid people that want to be spoon-fed are a fact of life. A large chunk of people will never use search, will never read the stickies, the wiki, or do any research on what they want to know. We have to live with it unless we shut ourselves up in a tower. I believe the problem with elitist communities that create to high of a barrier of entry is they tend to miss out on a new and interesting solution, or way of looking at a problem, usually proposed by a newer un-indoctrinated individual in the community.

Personally, let everyone speak. The stupid ones will get bashed over the head a couple times. I'm sure most of us don't get to openly bash stupid people in our day jobs, we can only hope we never run out of stupid (and that they decide to post outside of New Multi-Boxers & Support ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Board&boardID=11'))

- We will always see people asking if X computer can support 5 Warcraft clients unless we start deleting these posts, or moving them into New Multi-Boxers & Support ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Board&boardID=11').

- We will always see people complaining about spending a couple bucks for Keyclone.

So long as dual-boxing.com is an open public forum these problems will occur.


Anything cool is flypaper for stupid. Right now, multiboxing is cool.

I still don't understand pre-paid time cards.

[HPB]

- We will always see people asking if X computer can support 5 Warcraft clients unless we start deleting these posts, or moving them into New Multi-Boxers & Support ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Board&boardID=11').


That's a good idea. Maybe moderators who get repeated/common questions could private msg the appropriate thread link to the new poster and then delete their post. This would make the site cleaner and easier for more newer boxers to find the posts they are searching for.

[Boylston]

We have to live with it unless we shut ourselves up in a tower.
When do we begin construction?

Sign my shammies up to flood the moat with the tears of a thousand WoW-General-Forums QQers...

[Vyndree]

The problem with restricting access to newbies is that you're also restricting access to informative posts in specialized forums.

If the newbie is a smart newbie and can find the perfect PvP post that discusses their problem, or something along those lines, then they will be prevented from participating and will clutter up the newbie forum.

I think the primary problem we have is that it's...
- very hard to find information, since stickies are in multiple forums and the wiki button isn't big enough that a new user will find it.
- very hard to discern what IS a "newbie question" and what would be more appropriate for the software forum or the hardware forum -- making the newbie forum harder to navigate/search


I think perhaps even having a "Guides/Stickies" forum would be useful (where new threads are disabled, making it easy to navigate), perhaps along with cross-linking stickies to the guides/stickies forum where appropriate (i.e. sticky link from Software forum to the actual guide in the guides forum). Or even making a "Wiki" link similar to how we make our "Community Guidelines" link so that the wiki is more noticable within the meat of the forum...

More aggressive moderation can help reduce clutter as well -- I'm all for assisting with that. The one thing I worry about is disheartening the newbies or losing the newbies if "Hey, my thread disappeared from the General forums! Where is it? *repost*" starts happening.

In any case, I think better definition of "what post goes where?" would be appropriate as well. For example -- the software/hardware forums used to be for announcing new and interesting software/hardware that might work for multiboxing. These days, it's more of a support forum for "My hardware/software isn't working!". Should we seperate Software Support and Hardware Support?

[Suvega]

That and everyone is too busy Multiboxing to fill out the wiki (myself included).

Stop being lazy, contribute to the community. Make a wiki to be PROUD of. :P

[Finges]

Hiya...

Anyway we can set up a test type system for a new user to gain access?

Something where they'd have to click 2-3 links and garner information... Simple questions with simple answers.

1. Find the address to the dual-boxing.com wiki and paste it below.

2. What is a stickie?
a. a place where I can find basic answers
b. posts I should search before I ask what may be a basic question.
c. All of the above.

3. What forum should you post hardware/software type questions in?
a. General
b. New boxers
c. Hardware/Software forum.


Or we could make the test really hard... so we know everyone that gets in has put forth some effort.. and are willing to put in the work.

-Finges

[Stealthy]

The problem with restricting access to newbies is that you're also restricting access to informative posts in specialized forums.

If the newbie is a smart newbie and can find the perfect PvP post that discusses their problem, or something along those lines, then they will be prevented from participating and will clutter up the newbie forum.

I think the primary problem we have is that it's...
- very hard to find information, since stickies are in multiple forums and the wiki button isn't big enough that a new user will find it.
- very hard to discern what IS a "newbie question" and what would be more appropriate for the software forum or the hardware forum -- making the newbie forum harder to navigate/search


I think perhaps even having a "Guides/Stickies" forum would be useful (where new threads are disabled, making it easy to navigate), perhaps along with cross-linking stickies to the guides/stickies forum where appropriate (i.e. sticky link from Software forum to the actual guide in the guides forum). Or even making a "Wiki" link similar to how we make our "Community Guidelines" link so that the wiki is more noticable within the meat of the forum...

More aggressive moderation can help reduce clutter as well -- I'm all for assisting with that. The one thing I worry about is disheartening the newbies or losing the newbies if "Hey, my thread disappeared from the General forums! Where is it? *repost*" starts happening.

In any case, I think better definition of "what post goes where?" would be appropriate as well. For example -- the software/hardware forums used to be for announcing new and interesting software/hardware that might work for multiboxing. These days, it's more of a support forum for "My hardware/software isn't working!". Should we seperate Software Support and Hardware Support?

My thoughts exactly...

Cheers,
Stealthy

[bugilt]

The wiki should be the front dual-boxing.com. I'm assuming most of the new users are referred to the website by multi boxers.

[Skuggomann]

Not a bad idea at all :)

[Occam's Razor]

I have noticed some of the members of the community beginning to become upset with the advent of more and more people coming into this hobby/whatever and doing no research at all and asking really dumb stuff that has been covered before. I was thinking that maybe you could restrict access to new posters and limit them to only posting in certain forums. Once they hit an acceptable number of posts and/or prove themselves to have valid questions then the receive full access to the rest of the site. Just an idea. Also they should still have access to view all forums, only restricted access to posting.OK, first off, I'll address your statements in no particular order..........


asking really dumb stuff that has been covered before."Dumb stuff that has been covered before" FOR YOU and all the other "veteran" Multiboxers, it's "dumb stuff"
You've forgotten that YOU Yourself and ALL the other 'veteran' multiboxers' asked the SAME "Dumb stuff when they were first starting out.
So........WHY NOT HELP OUT?
Apparently, Instead, You'd rather be done with it............HEY WORLD!!!! I've done what I came to do, FUCK everybody else that asks me how I did it!!!!!!

doing no research at allOK....I'll be the first to say it......The "SEARCH" SUCKS!
I've typed in "Party", "Team", "3", "three", you name it, I've typed it, and 99% of the time I get the "red" banner saying Search couldn't find anything.
I tried making sure that I was at the home page, rather than INSIDE a forum, but either way, I can attest that a good 90% of ANY searches come up with NOTHING!

Trust me....I search EVERY day, in order to NOT piss off anyone who might take offense at any questions I ask that have been answered in a thread that's BURIED from the year 2007
(it ALSO doesn't help that some links refer to an old board?, I've clicked some links that sent me to a non-existing Message-board, and it redirects me to this Board's Index, with
NO reference whatsoever to the original link I clicked on (And a LOT of those are HELP links)

Try Google sometimes...it will lead you to a LOT of links to THIS BOARD but the links are about 2 years old, so they NEVER bring you to this board and help you find what you're looking for.

NOTE: Don't use JOOMLA for a board

I was thinking that maybe you could restrict access to new posters and limit them to only posting in certain forumsWow....is that a shitty suggestion or what?
In a Nutshell.... you're saying "let's round up the people that don't know as much as I do, and make them EARN their right to post here....."

So in essence what you're saying is "I asked all these annoying questions when I first started Multiboxing, but NOW that I know what I'm doing, I don't want to see anyone else ask them?"
Here's ANOTHER option....when you see a thread asking the "SAME OBVIOUS STUFF THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW"....Don't click on it, because someone is asking something YOU already know.
AVOID the urge to jump into a Newbie thread and be a complete dick.
AVOID the urge to jump into a newbie thread and make snide comments about "how the newbie could've answered that themselves" "IF THEY ONLY USED THE SEARCH BUTTON"
(insert the Bwa bwa bwa Trombones)

Honestly....If you're that 'L33T" why are you here?

the definition of 'forum' is "community" if you and any other multiboxers feel you've gone beyond us regular mouthbreathers and you feel we're holding your ankles,
preventing you from ascending to GOD status, by asking all of you "HOW DID YOU DO THAT?" then you've got it all wrong


I have noticed some of the members of the community beginning to become upset

Yea....you know WHO is becoming upset?

People who have forgotten WHERE THEY started......the same people who get upset and annoyed because "day after day" people come here and ask the SAME questions are the
same people who asked the SAME questions when they got started........

The only difference is..............."once you figure it out, you don't want to be arsed with helping anybody else, the people asking questions at that point, become a nuisance

I tell ya, in my opinion, after reading these boards, and seeing such a persecuted bunch of people (MB QQ) on the WOW forums......and then to find out that there's "classes" that exist HERE TOO?

Shocking.....I thought that the MB community would be kind of like "Hey welcome Brother, I see another multiboxer here, need help?"

But instead I see a rift.....between Multiboxers who're all set up, and Multiboxers "who are just getting started, AND ASKING QUESTIONS" all this
"Members of the community getting annoyed by people asking the same questions over an over"

Good thing the Martial Arts didn't have the same attitude as an "elite MB"

Student: Sifu! I wish to learn the ways of Multiboxing!
Sifu: LOL do a Search Newb!
Student: But Sifu, I understand you're the best!
Sifu: Has you even done a SEARCH for Multiboxing!?!??!?
Student: Yes Sifu, I have....It contained NOTHING
Sifu: Then you are a LOOSER (Corect spelling: LOSER) STFU NEWB!
Student: But Sifu, how am I to learn if you won't tell me?
Sifu: BAN this loser! Or better yet, make it so he can onmly post in a NEWB forum, where he can't ask IMPORTANT questions....I can't be arsed with dealing with him!
Student: Sifu, You know the way!, You know the answers to all of my questions, will you help me?
Sifu: All your questions would've been answered if you had use the SEARCH button........

/rinse
/repeat
/lather
/rinse
/repeat
/lather

See where I'm going? or do I need to use the WOW forum "I c wat u did thar"?

[Shiena]

The how about doing it different. AFAIK for every forum software there are functions to send some sort of initial private message to new accounts. Use it and include links to good sticky posts and wiki pages. At least that is what I do on my forums. Sadly, I can tell you that this will not result in less people asking for information which is posted in sticky threads. I have tried that on my boards to give new users some sort of info mail with all they need, but it didn't change a bit. Most people just delete the message instead of reading. That's on a board with some 20k concurrent users each day.

[cepheus]

Whats bothering me more than both answer or ask "dumb question" more than once, is the amount of drama we see on this forums at the moment.

Every day its allways this endless discussion in a new thread all over. One thing is to repeat a question, but isnt repeating this whole discussion much worse?

Sadly, but dual-boxing is beginning to look very much alike the wow community forums. I guess this really cant be avoided when a community gains so many members in a very short amount of time. There is allways someone that is more than happy to start a discussion.

[Knobley]

Right now its really hard to learn anything if your a total noob.

I guess that depends on your definition of total noob. I had a lvl 70 Hunter and a lvl 70 Druid before I had ever even heard of multi-boxing. I got a call from a friend... "You should see this guy playing 5 Shaman that are tearing up AV, and some folks tried to report him and the GM's said it was legal!". This was the first I had ever heard of multi-boxing. So I went out, read a few forum posts, quickly found this site, and was multi-boxing in, literally, a matter of hours.

It's just not that tough to learn.

Knobley

[Occam's Razor]

Whats bothering me more than both answer or ask "dumb question" more than once, is the amount of drama we see on this forums at the moment.

Every day its allways this endless discussion in a new thread all over. One thing is to repeat a question, but isnt repeating this whole discussion much worse?

Sadly, but dual-boxing is beginning to look very much alike the wow community forums. I guess this really cant be avoided when a community gains so many members in a very short amount of time. There is allways someone that is more than happy to start a discussion
QFT..... this ^

What is worse?

The daily newbie thread? Or the Daily Newbie thread that has a bunch of 'veterans in it' pointing out what a waste of time the 'daily newbie' thread is in the first place?
I'm sorry, but to the newcomer this place looks VERY HOSTILE, unless they ask the right questions.

I've even seen threads where someone was asking for advice about: "New to Multiboxing, which classes would you recommend", only to be shot down by a response of
"WE don't discuss that here"

Is THIS the reputation that these boards want?

I've stuck up for you guys.......feeling you were all unfairly prosecuted....but if the behavior on this board and the MB community keeps seperating people into "classes"
IE (I MB'd longer than you OR I have a Higher Post Count, So MY opinion matters MORE) Post counters are lame

Whoa...come back down to planet Earth and help your fellow man, when he asks a question that you deem "stupid"

cepheus nailed it on the head.......it's the DRAMA.............and people who claim "I don't want to be wasting my time telling you something I already know"

Fine....don't. But don't feel the need to jump into a thread for the sole purpose of:

1. Calling someone a newb (When in the SAME amount of keystrokes you could have ACTUALLY helped that person, instead of flaming them.)
2. Pointing them to a 25% working SEARCH engine (When in the SAME amount of keystrokes you could have ACTUALLY helped that person, instead of flaming them.)

How many threads have gone to "? pages" based ONLY on "Veteran Multiboxers" FLAMING or making Smart-Ass comments to the OP?

I'm a musician, I've been playing the guitar for 32 years.........playing guitar is NOT A SECRET THAT I MUST KEEP FOR MYSELF
If someone walks up to me and asks "Man! I've been trying to learn that song for ages, How do you do it?"

I DO NOT say "If you used a search you would've found your answer LOL NUB!"
I DO NOT say "OMFG Can the entire EARTH make sure that no-one asks me this question again!

I have THREE options.....ONE of which, won't make me an ASSHOLE......

1. I can respond......(And be a complete ASSHOLE) "WTF NUB, theres a search engine that will hopefully tell ya everything I don't FEEL like telling ya
2. I can respond......(And be a Complete ASSHOLE) "WTF! NUB, EVERYBODY in the BAR asked me how I played that last song, You should KNOW how to play that song because "I KNOW HOW TO PLAY THAT SONG"
3. I can respond......(And want to pass, what I've learned, on to another person)....by saying "OH WOW, you want to play guitar? Let me show you a few things THAT WILL HELP YOU AND SAVE YOU TIME"....

Which one of those people do YOU want to be?

[Talamarr]

As a "newb" myself, I can see all the sides here. But let me make a few points:

I can't think of a single thing I haven't been able to learn just from reading the wiki and browsing these forums. There is so much useful information here.

Also, with the amount of exposure Ellay and multi-boxing has received lately, you're sure to get people who think they need to "OMGWTF I need to multi-box to pew pew people so I can be leet too" and want someone to hand them the easy-mode key. And we all know it's not that easy.

The people saying for the veterans to just ignore the newbie posts, the same can be said for the newbies to ingore the veterans post.

Simple solution for all: don't take things so personaly and so seriously; take note of the things that interest you and ignore the stuff that doesn't. I don't know what is so complicated about that.

[Groovy]

I do agree with some of your gripes Occam, but the fact remains that although the search is pretty decent, it does fail in some regards but maybe you've never used the advanced search options, that never failed me. I always found what I was looking for.

The fact remains that some people want to get spoon-fed and after a while it irks people. I came here not to long ago knowing nothing about multi boxing, found all I needed to know and was ready to go in under an hour.

The wiki should be easier to find but failing that the stickies are pretty obvious.

[Littleburst]

Whats bothering me more than both answer or ask "dumb question" more than once, is the amount of drama we see on this forums at the moment.

Every day its allways this endless discussion in a new thread all over. One thing is to repeat a question, but isnt repeating this whole discussion much worse?

Sadly, but dual-boxing is beginning to look very much alike the wow community forums. I guess this really cant be avoided when a community gains so many members in a very short amount of time. There is allways someone that is more than happy to start a discussion
QFT..... this ^

What is worse?

The daily newbie thread? Or the Daily Newbie thread that has a bunch of 'veterans in it' pointing out what a waste of time the 'daily newbie' thread is in the first place?
I'm sorry, but to the newcomer this place looks VERY HOSTILE, unless they ask the right questions.

I've even seen threads where someone was asking for advice about: "New to Multiboxing, which classes would you recommend", only to be shot down by a response of
"WE don't discuss that here"

Is THIS the reputation that these boards want?

I've stuck up for you guys.......feeling you were all unfairly prosecuted....but if the behavior on this board and the MB community keeps seperating people into "classes"
IE (I MB'd longer than you OR I have a Higher Post Count, So MY opinion matters MORE) Post counters are lame

Whoa...come back down to planet Earth and help your fellow man, when he asks a question that you deem "stupid"

cepheus nailed it on the head.......it's the DRAMA.............and people who claim "I don't want to be wasting my time telling you something I already know"

Fine....don't. But don't feel the need to jump into a thread for the sole purpose of:

1. Calling someone a newb (When in the SAME amount of keystrokes you could have ACTUALLY helped that person, instead of flaming them.)
2. Pointing them to a 25% working SEARCH engine (When in the SAME amount of keystrokes you could have ACTUALLY helped that person, instead of flaming them.)

How many threads have gone to "? pages" based ONLY on "Veteran Multiboxers" FLAMING or making Smart-Ass comments to the OP?
I agree partially, but everyone would tell people what they asked in whatever forum they post, then what's the point in having nice forums, each for their own subject.

General forum: General Multiboxing Discussions (Not For Support)

If someone still asks for support there, then it shows that they didn't even read what the forum is for or they ignore it. If one of those arguments are true then that person should put some more effort in things instead of asking imo.

[Occam's Razor]

As a "newb" myself, I can see all the sides here. But let me make a few points:

I can't think of a single thing I haven't been able to learn just from reading the wiki and browsing these forums. There is so much useful information here.

Also, with the amount of exposure Ellay and multi-boxing has received lately, you're sure to get people who think they need to "OMGWTF I need to multi-box to pew pew people so I can be leet too" and want someone to hand them the easy-mode key. And we all know it's not that easy.

The people saying for the veterans to just ignore the newbie posts, the same can be said for the newbies to ingore the veterans post.

Simple solution for all: don't take things so personaly and so seriously; take note of the things that interest you and ignore the stuff that doesn't. I don't know what is so complicated about that.My point?

If the Veterans don't have anything more important to add to a post other than "L2Search" or other nonsense then STFU. SERIOULSY.

I've been on too many boards where people ("because of their post count (LAME LAME LAME)) think their opinion matters more than a person with a low post count.
Seriously, you could get a Nuclear Engineer with 2 posts and some loser punk with 2,500 posts on a board, arguing about Nuclear Physics, and the punk would win because his post count is higher.

I hope ALL forums in the future do away with the post count thing, because it just makes some losers feel like GODS

If you are going to waste your time typing "Something" in a newb thread, why not make it HELPFUL? instead of "*SIGH* this could've been answered if you did a search"
Instead of typing that , I could have typed "Here's a link to help you" hmmmmm the insult was 10 words, the Helpful hint was 6.

You decide

One other point.....With the amount of MB QQ going on in the official forums, don't you think it would be in our best interest to make this place look like a FRIENDLY community, rather than an ELITIST one?

[Groovy]

Occam, your making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Occam's Razor]

Occam, your making a mountain out of a molehill.Probably.....my response was in the works during all the other responses :/

Well George Carlin died.....I'm pissed ;(

[Sanctume]

We should not have to do all that, people need to learn to read and look for information before they ask the same question that has been asked 800times beforeIf this was learned by all, the "RTFM" phrase would not have been created. :thumbsup:

[Kissell13]

(I MB'd longer than you OR I have a Higher Post Count, So MY opinion matters MORE) Post counters are lame

I didnt mean a low count was anyhting bad. Hell ive been hanging around this board for over a year and dont have that many. I really was attempting to suggest that by restricting new users in some way as to keep them seperated from the angrier sort of people on the board. Yes its annoying answering the same stuff over and over but that doesnt give anyone an excuse to get mean about it. Blocking the newer users from posting(only) in those areas keeps the a**hole/newb/mean comments to the new users down to a minimum. Then any of the people that choose to help the new members can go and post their help to them in their own section. Didnt mean to start an arguement.

[Groovy]

Occam, your making a mountain out of a molehill.Probably.....my response was in the works during all the other responses :/

Well George Carlin died.....I'm pissed ;( Oh shit, he died yesterday, I didn’t know... Such a loss to comedy. Well his legacy will survive! He was my favourite comedian.

[Vyndree]

1) If you post in the newbie forum, I will either happily help you, or ignore you alltogether. I will NOT harrass people there. Off limits.
2 If you post in the general forum with some overly vague unanswerable question, I'm probably going to hammer you. (ex: zomg what group do I choose to make the sky rain epix?!)
3) If you post something, and there is at least a minor indication that you've at least tired to help yourself, I'll probably go out of my way to help you out, and possibly crit you with a wall of text trying to give you the answers you so badly desire. (ex: oddball group synergies or instance tactics or something...)


QFT -- Fursphere, this was also my mentality until I somehow stumbled into mod-ness and then this happened...


1) If you post in the newbie forum, I will either happily help you, or ignore you alltogether. I will NOT harrass people there. Off limits.
2 If you post in the general forum with some overly vague unanswerable question, I'm going to point out the Community Guidelines that say the general forum is NOT FOR SUPPORT then move your sorry thread into the newbie forums where it belongs. I typically will be less inclined to help this person, since they cannot be bothered to help themselves. Cross-linking wiki's/guides is probably the most they can expect out of me until behavior improves.
3) If you post something, and there is at least a minor indication that you've at least tired to help yourself, I'll probably go out of my way to help you out, and possibly crit you with a wall of text trying to give you the answers you so badly desire. (ex: oddball group synergies or instance tactics or something...)

[Vyndree]

Actually, on second thought -- can I ask that the community do me and the other mods a favor?

Make avid use of the "report" feature. If you see a newbie who put their post in the wrong place -- maybe the Software forum, or the General forum -- can you report the thread so it can easily be identified and moved? I hate moving threads where there is an active discussion just because I didn't catch it in time. Using the report feature will help me move it before too many people are jumping in.

Thankee much. :D

[tigger2577]

Ok here is a different suggestion for the forums, When I first started to dual box the forums were not as happening as they are now (as lots of posts a day) and it just seamed easer to find stuff. Also the community has taken off like a rocket new user all the time and more new posts.

With that said I have noticed the cluttering of Software tools section with Keyclone support requests or questions about help, and this is rightfully so with the vast majority of software boxers using this product that Rob puts out. I would like to suggest that we create a new forum area for Keyclone support. This will do 2 things

1. Allow for the clean up of the Software Tools area so that you can find and communicate about all versions of software that is out there that will help multi boxing. As of right now it is very hard to get an idea of what is out there with that forum section basically being Keyclose support

2. will help the uses of Keyclone to go to one are for support since this seems to be the official support site for this product. This will also help with the improvement of searching for issues you might be having in Keyclone.

[tigger2577]

Software forum = Keyclone support forum.


I will tend to agree with you but IMO all of the other solutions get barred in there thus we get all the topics "Want FREE ..." "What else is there?" type posts all the time because there is just so much "I need support for keyclone", "Keyclone is broken" ..... I just feel for new people this is very overwhelming and Keyclone support deserves it's owne area or just move keyclone support off the forums.

[Vyndree]

make a sub-forum in software


... you didn't see anything ...

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[Vyndree]

make a sub-forum in software


... you didn't see anything ...

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Someday I'm going to buy this lovely woman a drink. Or a 30-day gamecard. Or something. :P

She's just too good to this community! :D

Well hug me after I'm done manually seperating the "review" posts from the "support" posts and filing them into their correct subcategories. I've got 22 pages of posts left to go. Then I hit the hardware section. >.<

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I don't think revoking posting privileges for noobs is the way to go. Honestly, if you can't take a little ribbing by our "RTFM, n00b" crowd here, you will HATE people calling you a cheater/botter/lamer/etc. in game.

I tend to side with the RTFM crowd because I all too often see posts going, "Hey, there's too much information here for me to read, can u halp me prz?" That just indicates that you're simply lazy and want us to wave a wand and make you successful. I wish I could do that in my investment forums. :P

[tigger2577]

Well hug me after I'm done manually seperating the "review" posts from the "support" posts and filing them into their correct subcategories. I've got 22 pages of posts left to go. Then I hit the hardware section. >.<

/HUG thanks this a great now it is much easer to find information. <3 /hug again

[HPB]

The wiki should be the front dual-boxing.com. I'm assuming most of the new users are referred to the website by multi boxers.

This is a great idea. It would give new MBers a first place to look and also encourage everyone else to add content to the wiki more often.

*bump*

[merujo]

instead of wiki or "enter search word" just rename them to: free 30-day rapidshare account

[keyclone]

the definition of 'forum' is "community" if you and any other multiboxers feel you've gone beyond us regular mouthbreathers and you feel we're holding your ankles,
preventing you from ascending to GOD status, by asking all of you "HOW DID YOU DO THAT?"oh yea.. that's one's gold :thumbsup:

personally, i find the topic almost amusing... like you are forced to read a post in the NEWBIE section titled "i'm new.. can i get some help setting up?"

this attitude is new on these forums. we had plenty of newbies from last july through to march/april... actually, most of the members signed up during that period... most asking the same type of questions... yet, for some reason, since about april... some people started to complain, which starts the ball rolling, and others chime in shortly there after.

(i've seen this behavior before elsewhere.. and the technique is not new...)

in the end, the goal is to grow the community and thereby help the adoption of multi-boxing by the major game producers.

picking on newbies, which will always ask for help when they first start out.. and i personally do not mind that at all... so long as they help someone else in the future, is just lame

[-silencer-]

I don't think revoking posting privileges for noobs is the way to go. Honestly, if you can't take a little ribbing by our "RTFM, n00b" crowd here, you will HATE people calling you a cheater/botter/lamer/etc. in game.

I tend to side with the RTFM crowd because I all too often see posts going, "Hey, there's too much information here for me to read, can u halp me prz?" That just indicates that you're simply lazy and want us to wave a wand and make you successful. I wish I could do that in my investment forums. :P
Agreed. You better grow some thick skin quick before jumping into the game as a 5-boxer, or you'll be spending more time arguing with idiots than leveling your team. I don't mind helping out if someone articulates their question well and is polite, but I'm not going to lift a finger for most of the asshat WoW forum community who can't type a complete sentence without looking like a middle school dropout. The problem lies with the anonymous attitude of the internet. Act like a jackass in society and you'll get knocked the fuck out.

I tend to repond nicely to even the 'wtf HAX' whispers in-game, and they usually are nice and curious by the time I explain it to them. I've got to write down some standard /r macros to start saving some time..

[Wilbur]

I work(ed) in IT support.

Every day some asshat would walk in and ask me for a new mouse.

I put a sign on the door saying "SPARE MICE ARE IN THE CUPBOARD BEHIND YOU"

I then got someone walking in and asking every 2 days.

Morale of this story?
No matter *how* well we signpost everything, make the guides as easy to read as possible, etc. There are still plenty of retards who wont bother reading. Obviously, not all of them are the Instant-gratification-seeking window-lickers which populate the WoW forums. Infact some of the previously bashed newbs have gone on to be quite outstanding members of the community.

What I'm trying to say, is that I don't think we need our attitutes to change. Multiboxing is based partially on intuition, and requires a fairly thick skin, theres no point in us "cuddling" the newbs. If they ask a valid question, 9/10 times it'll be answered. If they ask a question which is pretty goddamn obvious from the stickies (which they should all bloody read) then I'd say RTFM is a perfectly understandable response.

[Otlecs]

What I'm trying to say, is that I don't think we need our attitutes to change. Multiboxing is based partially on intuition, and requires a fairly thick skin, theres no point in us "cuddling" the newbs. If they ask a valid question, 9/10 times it'll be answered. If they ask a question which is pretty goddamn obvious from the stickies (which they should all bloody read) then I'd say RTFM is a perfectly understandable response.
Amen.