My best AV-winstreak yet. 35 AV's without losing.

[cepheus]

Thought maybe this was worth mentioning, alltough maybe not that big achivement :P

Most of them done in Pug's. Some of them with 1-5 other guildmates.

http://ts.fh-guild.com/mb/35AVwin.jpg

[Unholy[S]haman]

Congrats that rly is cool. What addon is that?
Wait.. what battle group are you in? US EU as well. I think i just played you a few hours ago.

[cepheus]

Addon is called Honor Kills Counter.

I am on Eu-Misery battlegroup. Frostmane server.

[Morganti]

Wish I played where you do....my battlegroup does pretty crappy in all BG's these days. If it weren't for knowing people there I think I'd transfer off.

[cepheus]

Wish I played where you do....my battlegroup does pretty crappy in all BG's these days. If it weren't for knowing people there I think I'd transfer off.

Trust me, ask any of my guildmates, and my battlegroup doesnt do any better. What makes a difference is that I usually try to organize the fights a bit (yes, I know many says it is impossible, but actually there is more willing and good players than you realize)

Some macros for spreading out your raid, some guided leading later on when you see something is not working can often help turn the battle. I also see that when you do a fairly good game yourself, you will get much more respect from the players next fight, and they will more often do as you tell them to. This is very helpful, and you should use this as much as possible, and try to organize the players willing to follow your lead. This will follow to even more respect (since you are winning) and even more people will follow your lead eventually.

Also it also helps playing much during off-hours since there is a lot fewer battlegrounds up then. This will often lead to getting many of the same players in your BG several times in a row. If you can gain these peoples respect you will win ALOT.

[Morganti]

Yeah, leaderships works great if you have people that listen. I rarely try it, especially in AV, but EOTS and AB I tend to talk more. What's your general plan of attack? I find if Group1 and Group2 go D in front of the keep at the chokepoint and dont get zerged it works great (I'm in this group many times). This relies on the alliance not zerging and coming in with a stream of attackers once their first GY has capped, otherwise you create a turtle (which is why I dont think horde should kill anyone until the alliance caps a GY which means the best defense is at the keep IMO).

This is my proposed battle plan for AV:

Group1 and Group2 - D at keep
Group3 SHB
Group4 SHGY
Group5 IBB
Group6, 7, 8 to Bal.

Once Bal drops 6, 7, 8 continue to SP. If it falls easy they can push into the alli keep area. If they wipe they'll spawn back and should be able to reunite with groups 3, 4, 5 whos stuff should be capping about now and can 6 group zerg as an offense.

If Groups 1 and 2 get pushed out of the keep their sole job is to get their midfield towers back (assuming they havent capped yet). If they have capped get a GY back in the south and try to push in to the keep area to snake the towers back or generally harass.

[cepheus]

I usually put all stealth in group 1 and ask them to go and cap in DB. 2+3 is SH bunker, 4+5 is IW bunker. When both those is destryed then go and kill balinda. This is usually one of the biggest mistakes in AV. People want to kill Balinda first. There is no reason what so ever to do this before taking the two first bunkers. If you can take these bunekrs first, then you have 20 people free for balinda before going further to DB. Ofcorse many wont follow this, but when you send two groups to each bunker, atleast 3-4 usually listens and take the bunker.

Group 6+7 + usually myself defends. I start off with defending Galv. I guess I manage to wipe them off there about 60-70% of the times (Depends how many that is zerging him, and how many else that is defending). If allys wipe at Galv, the BG is about 95% certain win. They lose ALOT of time at this. After this I usually run around recapping towers and defending galv. I allways have my AV-trinket equipped for fast porting down to FW when noone else have recapped towers there when it is about 1m30s before they burn.

[Morganti]

You don't find that when you wipe them at Galv it turns into a huge defensive turtle on their part since they all get sent back to SP? I can wipe them or wipe them enough to reset the offense at Galv 85% of the time using fire elementals, but EVERY time I've done this its become a 45 minute turtle game with my offense getting whipped back to midfield. Sometimes we win due to reinforcements, sometimes not, but I'd rather let the alliance through until that midfield GY caps so they dont become defense and screw my offense over.

[cepheus]

Hmm it gets defensive sometimes, but not that often. Anyway I dont mind, since I pvp more for fun than honor :)

Edit:

It might be that our battlegroup usually does AV a bit different. Hordes usually dont cap SH graveyard, and Allys usually dont cap IB graveyard. If anyone do, they get flamed out of the BG :P

[Morganti]

Yeah, that's quite different from ours...Both get capped and both are favorite targets for recaps.

[Skuggomann]

HAHA nice one Razor :)



..soon we shall join forces :)

[Kyudo]

Joo win so much cos I hav 100AV marks and 75k hon on all my chars... Gief Season 4! Then we will meet again... although I'm looking forward to it.

Great streak mate.

[cepheus]

Joo win so much cos I hav 100AV marks and 75k hon on all my chars... Gief Season 4! Then we will meet again... although I'm looking forward to it.

Great streak mate.

Same here. A tip if you havent done it allready: Stack up pvp gems and save them for season 4. Get a couple of gems of the same type too and use those gems for the items that is subject for upgrading. That way you can use your second "free" gems when you get your upgrade. Exessive marks is good for chewing combat mana potions :)

[Kaynin]

Pre 2.4, horde only lost very very occasionally (due to huge outnumberance at offtimes) in my battlegroup. I played several months without loosing a single one.

Since 2.4, Alliance started kicking back a bit, it's now roughly 75% winchance on horde I believe.

It's a nice streak tho. Every battlegroup is different. Keep up the good work! (I might be planning to migrated to misery, not because of AV tho. :P But I need a busier 5v5 bracket I think.)

[cepheus]

Ah, would be cool if you migrate to Misery. There is very few boxers here. Only me and Kyudo (he's ally) that pvp's active I think. would be fun to have some more :)

[Millz]

Aahh, i remember coming up against you when i was on my priest (ally) on Aerie Peak, misery BG..

Spamming SoC into a huge crowd of us ally... lol.

Never play on there anymore now though.

[Morganti]

Well, Friday Night/Saturday Morning I tested out actually organizing and leading AV raids. Some listened, some didn't. If we lost it hinged upon not having 10 defense at the keep who stalled out their offense. I played offense the whole time starting with SHB cap and either guarding or moving over to SHGY and the other tower. I'm not sure what Horde's preoccupation with taking out Bal is first (I kept yelling for them to cap the towers first because they take longer than killing Bal). We had much more success taking SP than normal since I tried to move a zerg of people up to SP at once instead of a stream of horde getting killed by NPC's and players. From there either our defense had held and we went on to win or it hadnt and we'd lose shortly after capping the north and south towers. If our midfield towers got recapped at any time I would head back myself and take and hold them.

It was quite a lot of headache, but I held a 70% win ratio while leading and once I stopped talking or doing anything by Sunday morning we went back to 50% (which is still better than normal...I guess some people actually give a crap on AV weekend).

The stealth group rarely got us any of the towers up north. Not sure what was going on there, but I tried it every game and found myself capping those towers later regardless. Dunno if they didn't know what they were doing, towers recapped, or what.

[cepheus]

As a multiboxer you will almost exclusivly do better at defense than offence, atleast if you are a decent pvp'r. If you are going to cap bunkers(or towers if you are alliance) you have to defend them for 4 minutes and you cant help your raid out in any other way during that time. If you are defending you can recap 2-3 towers(or bunkers) in that time, since you most of the time will just steamroll those defending it.

The only time I decide to attack is if a lot of my team matess are defending, and allys are doing the same.

[kllrwlf]

Defending towers is great... with the nice confined room... people running in one at a time to get one-shotted.. :thumbsup:

[shinigam1]

The MOST ANNOYING part about multiboxing in AV is everyone tends to follow you around where ever you go thats where i see a lot of AV's fail :S

[cepheus]

The MOST ANNOYING part about multiboxing in AV is everyone tends to follow you around where ever you go thats where i see a lot of AV's fail :S

Yea, but there is some ways to minimize this problems. If you 5box you will usually get leader in AV. keep your chars spread out in the raid until you have started (if they have similar names that is) This way not so many will notice that you are multiboxing. Allways try to run straight into the crows of people and stay abselutely still under a big tauren or such so they dont see you.

If you try, you can often remain quite unnoticed for some time. This will help a lot.

[Tehtsuo]

The MOST ANNOYING part about multiboxing in AV is everyone tends to follow you around where ever you go thats where i see a lot of AV's fail :SAh, but AV is the only place where you can turn this to your advantage. There are many places in AV where having a large group of people together can be useful. Choke points, defense, and guarding towers are good examples. I like having people follow me, cause when I head for Galv, it means I'm not alone. Also, I've never had as many healers decide to keep my team alive as I do in AV.