View Full Version : Side benefits of Multiboxing....
While multiboxing costs money - have any of you seen any side benefits of boxing - outside of the game? Conversation starter, crazed roommate looks etc?
For me, I enjoy keeping up with the tech field. I also enjoy investing. During a bullish market, I like to invest in familiar companies that I feel are undervalued and/or have surprising growth potential. Since I follow new developments and trends fairly closely - I tend to know who the major players are and what their overall momentum is.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/nvda.png
I have long since been an ardent fan of Nvidia. Their only main competition is not a strong player at this point in time. Their competitor's linux support is HORRIBLE (not that Nvidias open source offerings are any better - but at least their binary drivers work). They make really high quality processors. On a scale that surpasses some CPU designs. Their new CUDA platform, if widely accepted, would allow one to leverage their GPUs for all sorts of processor intense applications. Waiting to see on that one. While they are not powering the Xbox 360 this go around (they did the GPU for the original Xbox) - considering the number of red rings of death out there - that may not be a bad thing.
http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda.html
They lead in stereo 3d, their DX 10 boards were available months before AMD/ATIs and AMD is bogged down integrating their chips with AMD - which has its own issues right now as their latest investments will not bear fruit into early to mid 2008 - and they are running low on cash. I still think AMD is compelling but they need to hit some home runs sooner than later rather than just be copied by Intel and sell cheap CPUs. (Which they do very well.)
Nvidia also has some other... interesting things up their sleeve.
Disclaimer. This is not stock advice. You sort of missed this bandwagon anyway. Don't complain to me if you lose money. These are my observations alone. As much as I love Nvidia - their stock is quickly approaching overbought. I do not anticipate a huge increase from where it is now in the near future.
Anybody else have any other interesting developments or other non multiboxing side benefits? It may not get you all of the ladies but surely there are some other "fringe benefits" that come out of it.
Wilbur
08-31-2007, 01:44 PM
I find if I tell people I don't like about my "hobby" they tend to give me a wide berth for the rest of the evening. Its a fringe benefit ;-)
Sam DeathWalker
09-01-2007, 09:18 AM
Ability to watch 6 movies at the same time ...
I can already do that on one single 30". Don't need to box for that. Quite impractical though.
Tealuin
09-01-2007, 11:34 AM
I haven't quite found a specific side benefit yet, but I figure with all the computing power I have (roughly 10 computers including a Mac) I should be able to find a legitimate way to put that horsepower to some money making use.
And I don't mean off a game like WoW, but when I'm not playing that's a fair amount of computing power not doing anything. I used to run SETI on a couple computers, so something like that for a bit o'cash would be awesome.
But this whole process over the last few weeks, and having 4 new identical boxes (beowulf cluster anyone ;) ) has made the minimal business section of my mind kick in lately.
keyclone
09-01-2007, 11:39 AM
tough question... what would people be willing to pay for that your computing cluster could provide.
grfx rendering? do you do any kind of 3d modeling?
leasing out your computing cycles ala seti@home?
besides that? ummm... (i'd love to hear some ideas)
Tealuin
09-01-2007, 01:53 PM
Probably not enough to cover the electricity bills of running a full size setup 24/7
:)
Heh, oh come now, if a lad in England can make big money just by selling the pixels on his monitor, surely there must be other creative ways to make money off computers. :wink:
keyclone
09-01-2007, 02:54 PM
well, he was selling recycled pixels... very green, dontcha know
Sold my NVDA a while back.
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x45/Xzin-WoW/nvda-1.png
(It split 3:2).
Also just unwound Yahoo - a nearly 100% LT gain. Will probably sell Google as well but thye are just so innovative and are sitting on a TON of cash. I still see great things coming from Google. Android anybody?
Anybody else looking at the USD and going what the hell is going on?
Ughmahedhurtz
11-07-2007, 04:24 AM
I look at it and think it's probably a social problem that is manifesting itself as an economic one. Kinda like the old "run on the bank" thing but against the dollar. I'm not terribly surprised or overly worried about it as we are still innovating in almost all tech fields. So many factors that make non-US investors worried these days.
Looking back in hindsight should be fascinating 10-20 years in the future. See if any of my theories held water.
You want my take on things?
Fiat currency.
You can't print more money forever and when confidence erodes sharply enough - you are going to have a huge problem on your hands.
kalih
11-07-2007, 04:48 PM
While it's always fun to see the Austrian school come up... I think even the most ardent libertarian economists would agree that the slide of the dollar is about -alot- more than fiat currency.
Clearly :)
Multiple nations requesting payment in non dollar funds. Attempts to replace the dollar with the euro for oil purchases. The Saudis not following the fed's interest guidance. INSANE trade deficits, WTF levels of debt. China at some point not being wiling to continue buying dollars (although when or how this will take place is debatable). Low interest rates causing investment in dollars to be less attractive. Subprime "crisis" which is overblown but still a minor factor - consumer confidence wise. Inflationary pressure. Lack of M3 data on actual inflation numbers. TREMENDOUS increases in the money supply over the last 10-15 years. Market manipulations in precious metals, including huge short positions in silver. At some point, it has to unravel. It always does. The only question is how orderly and who loses.
If the wheels of ever increasing currency, cheap loans and economic expansion start to crumble. Woe be the the US economy when people suddenly realize their fiat currency is worth nothing more than confidence in something that the world no longer has confidence in. Which is sad, because I think the US brings a great deal to the world. It also happens to consume WELL beyond it's means. Eventually, the tap is going to run dry.
My guess is some short term dollar gains followed by continual weakness over the medium term. Go ahead - lower interest rates another 25 basis points. That's such a great idea. Maybe we can wind up with 0% interest T bills and nobody will want to invest in the US at all!
kalih
11-08-2007, 12:01 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I'm gonna go from 15% to 35% or so in Euro/China/India funds as opposed to the US total market index fund.
I'm not so cynical on the US economy, but I'm also in a cash-heavy setup right now, so I'm non-intentionally in a very risk-adverse bearish position. If things totally tank, I have lots of cash to start buying. I wish I had it in 2002. The dollar sliding is, technically, bad for me, but I plan on moving it into real estate (which is sliding worse), at some point, so I'm not too worried.
If I could, I'd buy US dollars. I can't, though. Because it's all I have.
*contemplates another NVDA play*
Earnings call tomorrow.
~ 20 P/E
They are moving into CPUs now.... that + CUDA = sexy!
WTB stereo 3d drivers.... rumors have it set for March at the earliest.
Jaws5
02-12-2008, 11:18 AM
Yes, benfit from 5 boxing. I save money be not investing in upstarts or long bets that burn me hard. I used play the market very hard started night trading from Tokyo in Dec 1987. made a lot. Then 2000 came and I lost my ass. After about the 5th margin call, I called it quits and covered my losses. I invest the old way now dallor averaging and only look at returns every 6 months. That leaves me much more time for 5 boxing and much better metal health of not watching the ticker every 5 secsonds. A 10 percent return per year over ten years is now my goal.
Other benifits. Wife and Son , and other extended family play game. I can drop 1 or 2 chars and run them though almost any instance for help them questing , ring of blood , etc.
:)
Leverage works both ways. I like solid long term (> 1 month) bets, not quick 1% 10:1 leveraged plays. Far too easy to lose big time and with investing, you always lose. The only question is how much.
Markets are great, but nothing comes close to returns on your own companies.
Khayos
02-12-2008, 01:48 PM
I'm gonna say a huge WTF to all of the above, I live in Cheshire in the UK, i work a 8 till 4:30 job for bugger all and will die a poor man, however Multiboxing lets my mates @ work take the p*ss at how much of a geek I am in the fact they think I "need" to play 5 "games" at once and spend £50 odd quid a month on playing them. I tend to just laugh at them p*ssing up £100 down the pub on a weekend though.
To all you insanely rich multiboxers, chuck me 10 grand for my wedding and I'll run an alt through SM for you. ( A few thousand times)
Hehe
Regards,
crzywolve
02-12-2008, 02:59 PM
I'm gonna say a huge WTF to all of the above, I live in Cheshire in the UK, i work a 8 till 4:30 job for bugger all and will die a poor man, however Multiboxing lets my mates @ work take the p*ss at how much of a geek I am in the fact they think I "need" to play 5 "games" at once and spend £50 odd quid a month on playing them. I tend to just laugh at them p*ssing up £100 down the pub on a weekend though.
To all you insanely rich multiboxers, chuck me 10 grand for my wedding and I'll run an alt through SM for you. ( A few thousand times)
Hehe
Regards
How I soooo agree with this. I live in Orlando. My job pays enought to live and pay the bills. I started dual-boxing because you all made it sound FUN. I had been playing WoW since about 2mo's out. I was bored and now I'm not. lol The guys at work think i'm funny for it, but then, like the above they go out on a weekend drinking binge and spend $100 on booze. I have been sober (kinda) for the last 8 yrs. With a mortgage, bills, fience' that is 13yrs younger than me and child support to an ex that I can't really stand, WoW keeps me sane. So, I guess that's my benifit, staying sane and not going postal. lol
And for the guys that sound like they make shit tons of cash, please give me some advise on just how to make that kind of cash! lol either that or a grant :D
Smitty
How to make money? Provide a needed good or service to the world. The greater your ability to do this, the greater the reward.
Note: I didn't say said goods or services had to be a direct result of your daily time based efforts.
crzywolve
02-12-2008, 04:50 PM
Yeah, I've had a couple really good ideas, bounced them off a few friends anf got really good reactions, but could never come up with th capitol to actually even think of starting any of them. But, I am working on a web site to sell personal security items (mace, peper, taser, stuns, nanny cams) but I end up playin WoW more than workin on the site. :rolleyes:
BobGnarly
02-12-2008, 05:02 PM
The key to financial independence (not talking about "getting rich," although it's just an extension of the same theory really), imo, is getting out there and doing it.
I've known a lot of people with good ideas, but the number of them that get off their asses and do something about it is abysmally small.
It's hard. It not only requires you to believe in yourself, but you have to be willing to put a lot of work into something that, frankly, may not bear any fruit at all. However, if you don't do this, you will never achieve what you desire - unless you like your odds at the lottery. :)
Oswyn
02-12-2008, 06:25 PM
I'm interested to see what nVidia has up their sleeve now that ATI/AMD came out with the 3870 X2. Granted, it's two GPUs on one card, it looks like the best performing card out there at the moment. AMD's stock is really in the dump right now.
The 9 series will surpass it.
Schwarz
02-12-2008, 11:10 PM
To all you insanely rich multiboxers, chuck me 10 grand for my wedding and I'll run an alt through SM for you. ( A few thousand times)
pounds or dollars?
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/13/hands-on-with-nvidias-apx-2500-and-yeah-it-plays-quake/
New nVidia mobile chipset.... and boy is it sexy.
They also digested Aegia.
In other news, nVidia stock up 4% yesterday (to be fair, the broad markets were up as well).
Unless Intel or Samsung or somehow AMD/ATI manages to somehow surpass nVidia through better hardware (which none really have), better drivers (even though nVidia's is slacking right now they know they screwed up and AMD/ATI's isn't any better), better Northbridge chipsets (Intel makes some fine ones but nVidia's are still head and shoulders above for gaming)... I see nVidia continuing to expand sales in all channels, including these new ones. What we need now is nVidia to sell the chips to power the Android platform. Speculative but that thing can play Quake THREE on it! That's practically a P4 cell phone!
Thank you 13% drop despite net profits up 57% in the 4th qtr. Time to establish a position.
Jaws5
02-14-2008, 12:17 PM
Market today is not based on sound fundmetals but panic and over-reaction to small segments of the world marget. Many are concered of value all investments , Home, stocks, bonds, loans, etc. Many Lenders are very neverous about letting money flow. In the last 25 years I cant recall the same set of pressures on the market.
We still have many months of housing problems that still need to shakeout. Next up: credit cards, auto loans, commercial real estate. You ain't seen nothin yet.
Jaws5
02-14-2008, 12:58 PM
I would say Student loans are next. God help us if $ keeps falling. Food prices (world-wide ) are also very intersting now.
Student loans...nah. They are typically deferred and paid over such a long time.
3 Trillion budget, plus 600B+ "non budgeted" items that will no doubt come up in '08. 130B+ of rebate checks and depreciation.... we are living so far beyond our means and every time we avert disaster, it only makes it worse when it all finally reaches its tipping point.
Don't get me started on deflation / inflation (aka stagflation) and our fiat money systems.
Unless we make the hard choices (and we probably will not), it is going to get far worse for the world's economy over the next few years.
Jaws5
02-14-2008, 02:21 PM
:) On the student loans, I was thinking more of the under writers, and the packagers the resell them to other buyers. If They can not repackage these and sell them, many will not want to underwrite them. Now Government will still do PELL grants but they are a small percent of total student loan dept.
The future is not set but the past is written, boy a time machine would be nice :D
Suvega
02-14-2008, 07:12 PM
/prays for housing to just DROP.
Seattle the housing market hasn't crashed, it has just extended. Houses aren't selling lower, they are just stayin gon the market longer.
Once people get antsy, I can buy a house for cheap. Just need to shape up that 20% down on a 400k+ house... Omw to doing that, but with the recent drop in MS stock from 37->28, I have to wait for it to raise a bit higher ;)
(and no I don't have my entire funds in MS, just use my employee stock repurchase plan as a good savings account for now ;) )
I would love to buy some investment property but prices need to drop 30 -50% before I can get a more than just viable deal.
How's the digestion of Yahoo going Suv? ;)
marvein
02-15-2008, 01:46 PM
I run F@H ('mailto:F@H') on all of my rigs at home and at work.
hoping to buy a house this next year so I can make better use of space and cooling and power consumption etc. Apt is feeling a bit crowded now with all the stuff I have in it (and almost all the computers are out of sight already hehe) The market here has dropped a little bit but not quite enough for me yet, a few emergency expences this year ate into my down payment funds :(
Suvega
02-15-2008, 02:58 PM
How's the digestion of Yahoo going Suv? ;)Great for yahoo stock... Not so great for MS stock :pinch:
The housing markets are set to drop, in my opinion, for most of 2008 and possibly even into 2009. It depends on how bad things get but I could see a 20 - 30% decline in home values and even more in some super hot areas.
Gallo
02-16-2008, 02:15 AM
The housing markets are set to drop, in my opinion, for most of 2008 and possibly even into 2009. It depends on how bad things get but I could see a 20 - 30% decline in home values and even more in some super hot areas.Yeah, my wife and I are looking to buy our first house in the next few months. I live in the DC area, which is easily one of the top 5 most expensive markets in the US, and prices have been steadily falling. The sad part is that 75% of the places we've seen are either bank owned (foreclosure process is finished) or are about to be foreclosed on. There are so many people out there losing their homes that its sick.
I think I'll stick with my 20% down, 30 yr fixed loan... thank you very much.
NVDA continues to drop despite coming up with the latest 9 series. It's really a beefier 8 series but at a lower price point. Might be time to actually dip in and make some purchases. As long as consumer sales hold up in 2008 (as in, we don't fall into a deep recession / depression and housing values fall for many years straight while spending drops dramatically) then NVDA should do pretty well.
The price is sure looking tempting to me.
I still remain tepid about the equities markets though. Commodities are still going gangbuster and if we continue down our inflationary path (which we have done for 70+ years), will only continue to do so.
Suvega
03-16-2009, 05:37 PM
An update to this... Nvidia is now trading at....
9.41 a share.
Taking stock advice from XZin? Bad Idea.
And before you say "ZOMG THE MARKETS ARE DOWN", it tanked WAY before they did. However it has stayed relatively constant in the sub 10 area throughout the ZOMG financial crisis.
And pretty pictures to illustrate (Red means doing WORSE then the Nasdaq index)
http://negativebro.com/images/lolNvidia.jpg
Bigfish
03-16-2009, 05:54 PM
?( That's an impressive bit of thread necromancy.
Suvega
03-16-2009, 06:02 PM
Heh I just looked at my portfolio :(
Oswyn
03-16-2009, 06:06 PM
A lot of experts agree that the heart of the computer will lie in the integration of cpu and gpu (and other functioning blocks). I'm wondering how long nVidia will have since only AMD and Intel have the ability to integrate gpu with x86 core.
I'm curious what you think about this Xzin.
zanthor
03-16-2009, 06:12 PM
A lot of experts agree that the heart of the computer will lie in the integration of cpu and gpu (and other functioning blocks). I'm wondering how long nVidia will have since only AMD and Intel have the ability to integrate gpu with x86 core.
I'm curious what you think about this Xzin.Experts have been saying that for a while. My second computer ('http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_500') is still arguably the best bang for the buck of any machine I've ever bought thanks to a well designed system that closely tied multiple processors specialized for each job.
Bigfish
03-16-2009, 06:19 PM
Invest in Japanese Fembots.
not5150
03-16-2009, 11:29 PM
Invest in Japanese Fembots.As crazy as it may sound..... I have full confidence in the Japanese producing a sexbot within 10 years. Heck, they already have a damn runway model robot.
Bigfish
03-17-2009, 09:51 AM
As crazy as it may sound..... I have full confidence in the Japanese producing a sexbot within 10 years. Heck, they already have a damn runway model robot.
Oh you better believe it. Things are going to be pricey too, aimed at executives and businessmen who have tons of money, but no time to form meaningful relationships.
Ellay
03-17-2009, 10:44 AM
So many witty sayings I could produce but... ya. I'm gonna let it go haha
zanthor
03-17-2009, 10:46 AM
As crazy as it may sound..... I have full confidence in the Japanese producing a sexbot within 10 years. Heck, they already have a damn runway model robot.
Oh you better believe it. Things are going to be pricey too, aimed at executives and businessmen who have tons of money, but no time to form meaningful relationships.
So many witty sayings I could produce but... ya. I'm gonna let it go hahaBut if you have more than one, is it an orgy or just multiboxing? If there is automation, is it multibotting?
But if you have more than one, is it an orgy or just multiboxing? If there is automation, is it multibotting?SexyBoxing
Souca
03-18-2009, 01:48 AM
Oh you better believe it. Things are going to be pricey too, aimed at executives and businessmen who have tons of money, but no time to form meaningful relationships.
I'm not sure its anything to do with meaningful relationships, but rather a product of their culture when it comes to the paradox between public appearance and carnal desires.
It may be more than 10 years though. While current examples of the uncanny valley are related to the visual appearance of robots, humans have five senses even if they don't realize it all the time.
- Souca -
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