So I hit 1850 lastnight 5v5 but...

[scottig]

I pretty much dominate every team but 4 caster, 1 healer teams. Aelli do you have any tips on how to counter mage -- ele shaman -- boomkin -- lock -- disc priest. Melee teams are almost a joke now that im in full S1. But I sill struggle against caster dps teams. I beat one caster team rated 2100 and got 27 points. I pretty much stay mounted at the beggining and just bum rushed them, and dropped the ele shaman. I considered this game luck though cause I could have easily been feared :(. Any help or words of wisdom would help.
thanks :D

[scottig]

faced the same rogue mage priest lock boom 9 games in a row and lost 100 points :( I could takeout the boom pretty quickly but they would kill my healer before i could kill another. What is the secret against mostly caster teams.

[Maxion]

I believe the word is grounding totems.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Against 4x caster DPS teams, 5x grounding totems are fine for the first alpha strike but then they're on cooldown for 15 seconds. :P

[scottig]

I always keep 4x grounding down

[Ellay]

First things to note, 4 DPS teams especially 4 DPS casters is very powerful on the burst, even I lose games to this makeup type sometimes as they can get lucky.

-You'll need to utilize some type of LoS yourself to try and mitigate the damage.
-Drop a set of 4 grounding totems, and then wait till the cooldown is up and try to make the fight happen during that time period so you can drop a fresh set once the first 4 are eaten up, creating a total of 8 groundings for you allows a lot of the intial burst potential to be completely negated
-Main targets are Shaman/Boomkin, once you drop either one put a ton of pressure on the Mage which will cause him to go into defensive mode. Making it so there is only 2 DPS on you.


Overall that's the basic method, if you run into a specific issue beyond that let me know and maybe I can help further :)

[scottig]

thanks for the reply. Yeah I think los is the key. Im open to try anything at this point. Do you think the fact that there in full s3 and im in S1 makes a big dif? My biggest prob against these type of teams is that I go oom way before they do. X( Maybe im expecting to much. Also all my healers are RL friends with crap gear. There pretty much tagging along for points. Does your healer make a big dif in your games? Sorry for rattling off all the questions. Just trying to own it up :D

[Ellay]

Gear is definitely a part in it, but your healer really depends on skill level first and gear second. If your running oom though is it from healing yourself or are they healing through your damage?

[Kaynin]

This is how I've learned to deal with most 4x caster + healer set ups.

General:

If possible, kill dps that can ressurect first. Kill the healer if you get the chance (Don't bother if he continously los, but keep an eye on him at all times) if he can ressurect. (So that's ele shamans first. :P) I sometimes go too defensive and they manage to res people, not good. But at the same time you shouldn't let yourself be flushed out if someone is trying to res either. Have your healer stop ressers if possible.

Nagrand Arena - Camp a pillar, have patience. Wait for any of the opposing team to 'expose' him/herself and go totally APENUTS on him, quickly to retreat behind your safe pillar once the kill is made. Timing is most important here. I use my 'move forward on all chars'-button for this not to rely on 'follow lag' to be able to get away from the pillar to dps any exposing member APEFAST!

Ruins of Lordearon - Stay in the opening of your door, when they come, go APENUTS on them'kill one or two, if you start to go down to fast, retreat for a short breather, it is likely they will follow while your healer can get off one or two extra heals before continueing to go ape nuts. It's hard to go against ressurecting in this map, however, if they do at the point you retreat, and some follow you, you will be in the position to kill a few that wont be able to get ressurected anymore.

Blade's Edge Arena - Stand on the grey area of the bridge. Never ever go down, if you're pressured too much, go onto the ramp of the bridge. But make sure you get up on the bridge as soon as possible. Try control that area as much as possible. Don't go to the center of the bridge, make sure they don't have a ramp to LoS on apart from having to bail the bridge. If you get them to jump off of the bridge, you win. Never advance on the bridge ever, in anyteam, anyhow.

I lost my s3 shaman healer this week tho (He got into a team that's going for glad title.), but I think i might have an S3 resto druid friend willing to help out.

[scottig]

Gear is definitely a part in it, but your healer really depends on skill level first and gear second. If your running oom though is it from healing yourself or are they healing through your damage?mostly healing through my dmg and mana draining me. Im gonna go with a more patient approach. Stay around a pillar and only use shocks for killing blows. It seems like against caster teams im chasing them around and around just casting shocks trying to slow one down. Next time ill be waiting it out.

[Ellay]

Wow your going to love this, so I'm looking through my fraps videos piecing together what I want for my movie and I found a gem! 4 DPS - Ele Shaman / Frost Mage / Felguard Warlock / Rogue w/ Dual Warglaives and a Paladin healer. It's a pretty epic fight :)

I'll make sure it's in the video.

[scottig]

Wow your going to love this, so I'm looking through my fraps videos piecing together what I want for my movie and I found a gem! 4 DPS - Ele Shaman / Frost Mage / Felguard Warlock / Rogue w/ Dual Warglaives and a Paladin healer. It's a pretty epic fight :)

I'll make sure it's in the video.Nice I need to see this vid quick. Went 7-5 lastnight guess what team the 5 losses came against. Rogue / disc priest / mage / lock / resto druid. These caster teams with a rogue = the suck

[Ellay]

The team your talking about is called Euro Comp, I've also included that composition in the pvp video.

[scottig]

Cant wait to see it :thumbup:

[Icetech]

you guys make me nuts.. even on my 2v2 i can't get over 1600 and im on a full s1 1600+ healing resto druid:(

[iztehzha]

I'm just over 1700 rating, but hey! Only got 760 spelldmg on my 4 shamans and a 1700+ healing pala.. My gear is s1 + badge shield and rep mace from Lower City.. So.. But! In s4, its gonna be lots of fun :>

1003 spelldmg! When I got 4 pieces of s4, shoulders from s2, s4 shield + s2 weapon. etc. etc. etc.... Gonna be.. MMMMM <3 :D?

[Xcon]

I belive i have somethings to learn since i have a hard time going over 1850 with my 4shaman and a friend playing full s3 druid.

I got almost full S3 on my shamans 990 spelldmg been at 1800-1840 for some time, starting to get pretty frustrating to not get over the magical line at 1850 so i can buy my shields.
Could be my battlegroup since theres not that many teams playing 5v5 so many of my opponents seams to know how to outplay me.

[scottig]

Up to 1900 :thumbsup: Finally beat some tuff euro comp teams. Thanks to ellay for the all the tips maybe next season glad will be within reach.

[Xcon]

Gratz.

i hit 1900 aswell only 300 more rating for gladiator in my battlegroup but only 1 week left to play so don't belive i will make it.

i wish you all good luck in next season i hope to see atleast one multibox gladiators next season would be so cool

[Ellay]

Really good to hear, a lot of you are so close :)

[Tizer]

After turning 70 on my 4 shaman last friday, i went and got the blue rep reward pvp gear and decided to have a go at 10 arena games with a resto shammy.

Unfortunately we got munted relatively easily. I can see it taking a long time to build up to a decent level. Hopefully S4 will solve some of the gear issues! Saving all the honor i can at the moment :)

[sway]

Hi all,
i got several problems since starting of S4...its very mixed up, but the well geared and coordinated teams makes lot of problems.
Then teams with 3 healers for example Shamy, Pala, Disc priest and MM hunter and Warrior

Or Teams with 3 classes which can fear and they start a fear rotation, the rogue/hunter kills my totems and then the next fear...get very hard rolled yesterday :(
How to handle a team with 3 healers?

sry for the QQ, but I'm a bit depressed...last season i was around 1900-1970 and now? ;(

[Feehza]

Double post,... delete-function didnt work.

[Feehza]

Hi all,
i got several problems since starting of S4...its very mixed up, but the well geared and coordinated teams makes lot of problems.
Then teams with 3 healers for example Shamy, Pala, Disc priest and MM hunter and Warrior

Or Teams with 3 classes which can fear and they start a fear rotation, the rogue/hunter kills my totems and then the next fear...get very hard rolled yesterday :(
How to handle a team with 3 healers?

sry for the QQ, but I'm a bit depressed...last season i was around 1900-1970 and now? ;(Crybaby! :P
Yesterday was a bad day on Blutdurst, some old gladiator teams started yesterday, cuz they waited for the arena-awards.
You wont get the perfect answer here, cuz nobody knows what exactly happens in your games. The standard-answer would be dispell the Warrior and blast him away. ... this doesnt help you.
Full description of you game or a movie would be good.

My standard-answer:
Vs a team with 3 healers you cant outdamage the healingpower, so you should dispell your focus-target then switch to the enemy healers, coerce them to play defensiv, switch back to your focus and finaly use your big instant.
Dont know wether this was the crux.

In all probability, you are able to give yourself the best answer when you compare all facts of these games.
Which enemy action makes the other teams unbeatable? How can i counterattack these action or how can i prevent them to do this?
Where are my weak points which gave them an advantage?

PS: You remember our posts in aellis movie-thread? "Every team is able to beat a multiboxer: LOS multiboxers to death within few hours"

(Habe gestern auch nur 4:4 gespielt, Antikombos, nachlässige Spielweise durch Konzentrationsfehler und Ex-Gladiteams. Scheiss Tag einfach.
Weißt du noch wo ich mich um 200 Punkte runtergespielt habe? Sowas passiert, danach geht es aufwärts, auch wenn man manchmal nciht weiß woran es lag.)

[sway]

Yeah will try to make some screenshots or record some arena matches for analysism...hope we can find my weakness and find an idea to fix ist :|



(ich wurd mal wieder dauergefeard und von dual illidan blade schurken auseinander genommen...gegen fear rotation und schurken/hunter die auf die totems gehen und 3 klassen dabei sind die fearen können, hab ich noch keine idee gefunden...)

[Feehza]

Warglaive-Rogue, Enhance-Shami, Warrior + 2 Heal ... got this team twice. 2x loss. 3 of my instants hit direct, 2 instants hit few seconds later. They started to play S4 yesterday. Shit happens.

[Nurhaci]

I've just hit rating 1627 last night with spelldmg 850, the opponents always with full s3 gear.

Seems i've a long way to go to hit the rating as you.

[pinotnoir]

How do you stop a team of warriors and mages who rush and aoe you to death?

[merujo]

depends on ur gear and their gear. if ur able to purge a warrior and do a NS to kill, pop lightning shields and fire novas. Oh, and pray :P

[Kaynin]

Problem in my battlegroup is that there's usually only one or two other teams playing. When I face a team I beat, they dodge queue. When a team beats me (usually gladiater material) they farm me liek 10 times for 5-10 points a game. Occasionally I beat on of the active top 10 ranked teams. But overall, I keep at a 50% win rating, around, just because I'm a sucker for not dodging queues myself. xP