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Tdog
05-28-2008, 03:15 AM
This might not be news to some of you but it was news to me and perhaps will be news to some others. So I heard a rumor a few days ago that Tauren have a longer melee range than all the other classes since they have larger bodies. Having tried out an experiment with a Gnome, Dwarf, and Male Draenei and finding out that they all have the exact same melee range I was unconvinced that Tauren had a longer melee range than the other classes as clearly a Male Draenei would a longer melee range than a Gnome if this were true right? So I dismissed it as a rumor.

However, tonight after I had finished boosting my new Warrior team through SM I decided to take a break from that bore and level up my weapon skills in tanaris just for the hell of it having my BE pally tank mobs while my warriors and shaman wail away on the tanked mob. Well anyways since I have both a female Orc Warrior and a Male Tauren warrior I tested the rumor out and holy crap its true! The tauren were definitely hitting from farther away than my orc. I tried several times under different situations just to make sure it wasn't lag or some BS but it held true every time.

I wanted to be 100% certain it was true before I posted it up here on these forums so I went digging and found...

Go to Post # 130 by Tharfor (2nd line)
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=1748545124&postId=19053109395&sid=130

I also found this SS...

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9983/taurenrangelt8.jpg

This is a pic from pre 2.3. The tooltip simply reads as "Melee range" today while back then it clearly showed that Tauren did in fact have a "9 yd range" on their melee abilites. Having played alliance for the past 3 years I never realized this :)



ANYWAYS...


So wtf is my point and what does this have to do with melee multi-boxing?

My point is having Tauren as your followers and a smaller character as your main, such as my BE paladin, it is much easier to get my followers into range then when I had my 4th tauren warrior leading the way. After grinding for about 30 mins. with my paladin leading the way I barely even had to reposition if the mobs actually moved on me. This is not to say that melee multi-boxing isn't doable with classes with the same melee range but damn this is very nice! It's also not to say you'll never have to reposition but after personally getting use to using a group that all had a 5 yd melee range then going to a set-up with followers having a 9 yd melee range while the mob is only 5 yds from my main it's a noticeble difference :D

Unfornately there are really only 2 classes that will benefit from this, Tauren Warrior and Tauren Enhancement shaman. As it turns out Feral forms have a 5 yd melee range even for Tauren not the 8-9 yds that their humanoid forum has, so tauren feral druids followers won't get the same benefit. However if you want to use a Tauren feral druid as a tank and have Tauren melee followers you should still be able to get the same benefit out of that set-up :)

So to sum up, if you don't care what race your warrior or shaman followers are in a melee group you might want to consider choosing tauren as the followers for this very reason! On another note you might NOT want to have a tauren as your main in a melee group, unless feral druid, if the rest are anything but tauren as that will only increase the /follow distance problem with melee groups!

Edit: Updated picture info.

Maz
05-28-2008, 03:29 AM
This is an old pic from well before BC.
Lies!

Someone's selling The Night Watchman in /2!

:P

Nice post though. I didn't know about the different melee ranges. I'm surprised Blizz haven't nerfed that one to hell and back in their efforts to normalise all the character out of the game.

Tdog
05-28-2008, 03:44 AM
This is an old pic from well before BC.
Lies!

Someone's selling The Night Watchman in /2!

:P

Nice post though. I didn't know about the different melee ranges. I'm surprised Blizz haven't nerfed that one to hell and back in their efforts to normalise all the character out of the game.Hmm...well mabye it isn't that old. The person who posted it said it was pre AQ days but meh...either way a blue confirmed it not to mention that you can simply log on and try it out even if someone doubts it.

As for blizzard nerfing it, they gave several reasons in the different threads I looked through which seem to make sense. If you're thinking of a pvp advantage for tauren you have to consider that Tauren have a larger hitbox as well, so basically if a tauren can melee you, you can melee the tauren.

Stabface
05-28-2008, 03:45 AM
The screenshot is from pre-2.3 as the XP required for L14 is now 12300, not 12900.

Anyone else think that EU WoW should be measured in meters, not yards? :P

Tdog
05-28-2008, 03:47 AM
Also just noticed the level 70 tauren druid in level 70 outland gear right in front of the warrior LOL :D

Maz
05-28-2008, 03:58 AM
The screenshot is from pre-2.3 as the XP required for L14 is now 12300, not 12900.
Your WoW-nerd is stronger than my WoW-nerd!

Šeceased
05-28-2008, 05:28 AM
Anyone else think that EU WoW should be measured in meters, not yards? :P

yes!!! ^^

rooh010
05-28-2008, 06:00 AM
does this work for tauren druids in there bear and cat forms also ??

Maz
05-28-2008, 06:07 AM
does this work for tauren druids in there bear and cat forms also ??

Feral forms have a 5 yd melee range even for Tauren

Tdog
05-28-2008, 11:11 AM
does this work for tauren druids in there bear and cat forms also ??Unfortunately no. If you read through the thread I posted you'll see that the topic of discussion was the supposed "Tauren feral form melee range bug" that many tauren druids felt that there was a bug and that their melee range in cat form was shorter than NE cat form. The fact was as the blizzard poster mentioned that it infact was not a but, but that
The Tauren character model has a larger attack range than other humanoid models; the feral form models do not benefit from this as the feral form is no longer a Tauren. Simply put: when you shapeshift to a smaller form (feral), you will need to get closer in order to attack – this is not a bug. However while a tauren druid follower wouldn't receive the increased melee attack range you could have a tauren druid as a main and a tauren warrior or enhancement shaman as followers and the set-up would still recieve the overall benefit.

Icetech
05-28-2008, 01:19 PM
Another _ing reason i'm _ing pissed i made orc shamen _ing A....

Basilikos
05-28-2008, 02:38 PM
A few of us have been talking about MBing deathknights. Does this mean that MBing TAUREN Death Knights will be better than other races? I was going to make Taruen anyway since Tauren DKs make some people angry.

Tdog
05-28-2008, 02:51 PM
A few of us have been talking about MBing deathknights. Does this mean that MBing TAUREN Death Knights will be better than other races? I was going to make Taruen anyway since Tauren DKs make some people angry.I'm planning on making a Orc DK main and my Follower DKs Tauren. I switched my orc warrior as my main this morning and have been grinding all morning setting up my macros for my new group and I must say, it's sooooo much nicer :) The run through method worked probably like 70-80% of the time when they were all orc, but now with tauren followers its like 97% of the time:) Also makes it loads easier trying to get them all facing the correct direction for cleave which has been thus far the only real PITA I've encountered using a melee warrior team, even then I can still get it done.

Edit: The pull and back up method is also tons easier as you can just shoot with the main(orc in my case) and back up to about 1-2 yds infront of the tauren and they can all easily hit the target.

Tdog
05-28-2008, 03:30 PM
Wow I didn't even think to try it but I just realized that the 9 yd melee swing is actually large enough that I can actually just run up to a mob, not even back up and the tauren will start swinging :) If only it was like this with every race... :rolleyes:

wrs
05-28-2008, 03:43 PM
This is good to know. I was boxing a UD rogue and a Tauren hunter, and when in mele range, the hunter always engaged but the rogue was too far. My first thought it was 2h v 1h, but this makes more sense.

Tdog
05-28-2008, 03:49 PM
This is good to know. I was boxing a UD rogue and a Tauren hunter, and when in mele range, the hunter always engaged but the rogue was too far. My first thought it was 2h v 1h, but this makes more sense.I looked for any kind of info that might suggest that weapon length may affect melee range but I have not seen a single piece of evidence. Furthermore one of my Tauren warriors has Morgraine's might and the other is dual-wielding. As far as I can tell it's the exact same melee range with both.

Edit: Male or Female doesn't seem to affect anything either.

Nifter
05-28-2008, 10:39 PM
Having a 70 tauren enhancement shaman, I definitely noticed this in raids. I can get out of mob whirlwind range in a snap.

Glad I made 1 pally + 4 tauren shaman, even if the tauren starting zone is 80% collection quests. Also noticed this when I used a tauren as a main, and pally as follow. Pally couldn't reach.

Vicker
01-20-2009, 08:17 AM
I'd just like to double check. Is this still the case? The melee abilities on my tauren warriors don't actually say a range on them. Did they change this?

Hachoo
01-20-2009, 11:50 AM
This has been the case since WoW was released - the bigger the race the longer their melee range - its just how it works, because your model box is a lot larger so the "start" range of your weapon is further out.

Tdog
01-20-2009, 12:00 PM
I'd just like to double check. Is this still the case? The melee abilities on my tauren warriors don't actually say a range on them. Did they change this?Actually while Tauren still have a longer melee range on their swing, I noticed the last time I jumped on my warrior team that the Tauren seem to have a longer follow range now so that you get no extra advantage while Multiboxing them as your followers :( You might as well just multibox whatever race you like now for melee classes.

Dominian
01-20-2009, 01:40 PM
Stacking 4 or 5 taurens onto each others is like putting a multiboxer sign that is visible over the whole battleground.

The main advantage i can get is to NOT be spotted early.

If im allowed to dps freely i can kill 5-6 players in less then 15 seconds EASY (unless they use immunities wich in most cases they wont since they never see it comming)

Imagine hiding 4 gnome shamans in bushes!! :S

Sam DeathWalker
01-20-2009, 01:41 PM
So whats dps like on elemental shaman without the rockbiter and all that, is it worth it for me to bother to mellee? My pally is elf and my shaman are taurens.

Multibocks
01-20-2009, 02:21 PM
I'd just like to double check. Is this still the case? The melee abilities on my tauren warriors don't actually say a range on them. Did they change this?

This has been nerfed, one of the patch notes mentioned it and Im too lazy to look it up. Necrothreadftw!

Multibocks
01-20-2009, 02:23 PM
Stacking 4 or 5 taurens onto each others is like putting a multiboxer sign that is visible over the whole battleground.

The main advantage i can get is to NOT be spotted early.

If im allowed to dps freely i can kill 5-6 players in less then 15 seconds EASY (unless they use immunities wich in most cases they wont since they never see it comming)

Imagine hiding 4 gnome shamans in bushes!! :S

Actually I found out something quite hilarious yesterday. I have 4 undead DKs and one tauren druid. The tauren is so big it looks like I am dual-boxing as he hides the other DKs. I love imagining the expression on peoples face when they get X strikex4+melee and die 8D