Multixboxing Heroics and Kara

[balrog78]

I know there are already some threads about this topic, but maybe you got more experience with the heroics now. What heroics do you think are the easiest one in terms of badges / hour? I am 3 boxing and my brother 2 boxing, we do Slave Pens in less then 75 minutes and the underbog in about 100 minutes. We tried Hellfire Ramparts but we just cant get the last boss down. And doing Hellfire Ramparts for only 2 badges takes too much time. We tried Botanica but the 3rd boss was really hard: do you think it is still good Badges/hour if just skipping the 3rd boss?
SV should be quite easy for us, since we are 3 + 2 boxing, what do you think?
How many toons can we bring to Kara without slowing down the raid too much? Doing Kara as single player only is rather boring ;) Are there other raids where we could 2-box?

[opt]

over the past few weeks ive just been filling in spots in kara, sometimes taking 2/3/4 characters each time, unfortunently my pve gear isnt the greatest and during long fights like prince im having to chug 3 pots on each character at least. But its really fun if you can get a group like 1 MT, 1 OT(fury warr/ret pal/feral druid with prot gear) 2 healers and 5 boxed dps and 1 other big dps puller like a lock or rouge. Well there the runs i enjoy moreso.
Unfortunently gearing ele shamans and a moonkin in kara doesnt work too well, tokens and the few items which are suited to your spec, but otherwise there just isnt alot there for my specs, so im mainly running for badges.
As for heroics, i still suck on them with my team, trying to run 5 dps in heroics is nowhere near as easy or as fun as ezmode instances.

[Toned]

5x shaman melt heroics if you know how to earthbind kite the big pulls... When I play just 4 and my g/f plays her mage it's even easier.

SV = 3 badges (40mins or so)
SP = 3 badges (30-45mins)
Ramparts= 3 badges (45min)
Blood Furnace = 3 badges (hour or so)
Sethekk halls = 2 badges (30-40mins)
Mana Tombs = 3 badges (45min)
Botanica = 5 badges (around an hour or so)
Mechanar=3 badges (4 if you do 2nd chick) about an hour or so
Shadow Labs=4 badges (1hr-1hr30min)

These are the ones I have on "farm" status. Others I've tried but haven't got them down to omg easymode badges.




*update slaughtered Mana Tombs today.
**update added in Blood Furnace and destroyed Ikiss.
***update added Shadow Labs and Mech.

[Kicksome]

I just did most of Kara last night with 4 of my guys - and the rest a normal group. From Shade to Prince - no problem downing any of the bosses.

I solo-tanked everything with my pally and dps'd with 3 shamans

It was nice because people had to leave so I just kept replacing them with my shamans.

[Tasty]

I got pulled through Kara on my recently 70 pally in green level 60 prot gear specced as ret. Good times :thumbsup: (I picked up both t4 pieces as well as many other epics) ((There was also a trash mob that dropped two epics at once!!))

[opt]

I got pulled through Kara on my recently 70 pally in green level 60 prot gear specced as ret. Good times :thumbsup: (I picked up both t4 pieces as well as many other epics) ((There was also a trash mob that dropped two epics at once!!))
keep gearing it up so then we can rock a bit more than attumen next time:P

[Crucial]

Toned knows his stuff but just wanted to add Mana Tombs Heroic is brain dead easy for 5 shamans (no kiting required). That's 4 easy badges in 45 min or so (yes 4 if you do the chain quest to open up the forth boss Yor).

Edit: Add first boss Mgt to that list, easy badge and epic (and a nice caster dagger that drops too - 15 min run or so).

[Bluepants]

I try to do kara every weekend.
I tend to go with a group of friends, who know what im doing, and actually expect me to fuck it up at some point :)
The group composition we used last week was: Group 1 pala tank, priest healer, pala healer, shadow priest, mage.
Group 2 : 4 shamans 1 boomkin.

We have done it with just a warrior tank too, in those cases my main OTs for a second or two, the DPS is usaully enough to take a mob down before it reaches us.
If the raid lets you pull, youll do much better, especially on the mobs before attunmen.

The SP in grp 1 increases spelldamage with 5%, the boomkin in my group increases my crit with 5%.
Last run with this setup gave me a DPS of 1350 with my main on Midnight.(other 3 was 1200-1280) With just 808 spelldmg, crit was around 46%.
Only thing thats a real bitch is the trash after curator.... Bloody magic immune fishies!

The real challenge in Karazhan is Shade of Aran, the movement involved...
Prince movement is easy enough. Fire elems on Illhoof makes him trivial.

The raid wont be slowed down except maybe on Shade of Aran and the trash after curator, its faster actually.

[Toned]

Updated my post for 22 badges in a day + 2 if you get a daily for one of these:
Multixboxing Heroics and Kara ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=68526#post68526')

[Toned]

Toned knows his stuff but just wanted to add Mana Tombs Heroic is brain dead easy for 5 shamans (no kiting required). That's 4 easy badges in 45 min or so (yes 4 if you do the chain quest to open up the forth boss Yor).

Edit: Add first boss Mgt to that list, easy badge and epic (and a nice caster dagger that drops too - 15 min run or so).

Ya MT is easymode, at the time of the post just never bothered with it.

[balrog78]

5x shaman melt heroics if you know how to earthbind kite the big pulls... When I play just 4 and my g/f plays her mage it's even easier.

SV = 3 badges (40mins or so)
SP = 3 badges (30-45mins)
Ramparts= 3 badges (45min)
Blood Furnace = 3 badges (hour or so)
Sethekk halls = 2 badges (30-40mins)
Mana Tombs = 3 badges (45min)
Botanica = 5 badges (around an hour or so)

These are the ones I have on "farm" status. Others I've tried but haven't got them down to omg easymode badges. Mechanar looks pretty promising (skip 2nd bitch).

I want to do SL and SH next considering today SH was the daily heroic.


*update slaughtered Mana Tombs today.
**update added in Blood Furnace and destroyed Ikiss.You achieved that with level 70 blues only or do you got epic gear (eg honor rewards)? Maybe its because you got heavy DPS, we werent able to do last bosses of Hellfire Ramparts (only running away all the time) and Sethekk (Ikiss kited us).
And are you sure you can make Slave Pens in 30 minutes. Even if there are no mobs you need almost 10 minutes to walk from the start of the instance to the end of it ;-) Our group is prot paladin, holy priest, 2 frost mages + 1 ele shaman

[Crucial]

These are the ones I have on "farm" status. Others I've tried but haven't got them down to omg easymode badges. Mechanar looks pretty promising (skip 2nd bitch).


Any particluar order you do the instances? I usually start with Mana tombs, grab 4 badges there, then hit up the 1st boss in Sethekk, then hit coilfang area, and or ramparts, but I'm all over the place- It's not efficient time wise. I'd be interested to hear your kiting techniques as well, thats definitely one thing I usually avoid doing if I can get away with it... my general approach is that of a bull in china shop-not always a good method lol.

[Sanctume]

x shaman melt heroics if you know how to earthbind kite the big pulls... When I play just 4 and my g/f plays her mage it's even easier.

SV = 3 badges (40mins or so)
SP = 3 badges (30-45mins)
Ramparts= 3 badges (45min)
Blood Furnace = 3 badges (hour or so)
Sethekk halls = 2 badges (30-40mins)
Mana Tombs = 3 badges (45min)
Botanica = 5 badges (around an hour or so)

These are the ones I have on "farm" status. Others I've tried but haven't got them down to omg easymode badges. Mechanar looks pretty promising (skip 2nd bitch).

I want to do SL and SH next considering today SH was the daily heroic.


*update slaughtered Mana Tombs today.
**update added in Blood Furnace and destroyed Ikiss.Thanks for the info Toned.

I'm interested in finding out what the shaman's Spell Damage & Healing were, and mana pool.

I tried H Mech with 2 Elemental Shaman around 500-600 Spell Dmg, and a Resto Shaman with 900 Healing. The 5th who joined me was S2/S3 Frost Mage.

My tank can actually surrvice Mechano Lord Capacitus for a long time, but he enrages after a while. My dps on the Shaman was not good. The mage eventually caught up in threat after 5 minutes sine the Pally isn't taking much incoming damage from the boss, and more from the bombs.

My positioning was good as spread out. But the + and - charges and movement takes time to micro, so I just spread everyone around and just nuke from the steps.

[Unholy[S]haman]

If there is anyone on Stormrage Us Alliance that wishes to give kara or a heroic a go, or just pvp (bg or arena) gimme a msg on this site.
I currently have a resto shaman and frost mage that im mboxing and im in contact with several other multiboxers on SR.
Maybe we could put something together and make new friends :D

[Toned]

Here's my current gear http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=Lawlshawk

[balrog78]

Here's my current gear http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=LawlshawkThats good BG gear. Good armor and stamina so you dont need a tank ;-) We only got PvE gear from instances (no raids). Some heroics are much harder then. Still can recommend Slave Pens and Underbog with less quality gear. Maybe we should to some BGs, but I hate the fact that there is no tank gear and we got a prot paladin. Still a tank is helpfull in AV.

[Toned]

I did ramparts, slave pens, underbog with no problems in blues and greens... first boss sethekk and mana tombs as well. Full mana tombs is probably doable in blues/greens.

[balrog78]

How to kill the dragon and the rider in ramparts? Spread out and move chars individually? I wasn't able to cast heals, too often I got hit by the fireballs. Or is there some trick to avoid the fireballs? And mana tombs was supposed to be the hardest heroic, did this change because blizz nerfed first boss? Got frustrated when I wiped too often in ramparts last boss and I dont want to wipe too often in MT ;-)

Thanks for your answers!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

How to kill the dragon and the rider in ramparts? Spread out and move chars individually? I wasn't able to cast heals, too often I got hit by the fireballs. Or is there some trick to avoid the fireballs? And mana tombs was supposed to be the hardest heroic, did this change because blizz nerfed first boss? Got frustrated when I wiped too often in ramparts last boss and I dont want to wipe too often in MT ;-)

Thanks for your answers!See: Grounding Totem.

[balrog78]

ok, must be easy with 5 shamans then. unfortunately only got 1 in the group :-( need at least 3 probably?

[Toned]

How to kill the dragon and the rider in ramparts? Spread out and move chars individually? I wasn't able to cast heals, too often I got hit by the fireballs. Or is there some trick to avoid the fireballs? And mana tombs was supposed to be the hardest heroic, did this change because blizz nerfed first boss? Got frustrated when I wiped too often in ramparts last boss and I dont want to wipe too often in MT ;-)

Thanks for your answers!
See my response here Vazruden the herald, messy run. ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=57360#post57360')

[Crucial]

5x shaman melt heroics if you know how to earthbind kite the big pulls... When I play just 4 and my g/f plays her mage it's even easier.
These are the ones I have on "farm" status. Others I've tried but haven't got them down to omg easymode badges. Mechanar looks pretty promising (skip 2nd bitch).




Just wanted to add I just tried Mechanar Heroic, do not skip 2nd boss... super easy badge. Get max lightning bolt distance from her, drop earth elementals, pop heroism/bloodlust, full out nuke. The fire elementals that spawn get caught up in the earth elementals with the boss and you can just concentrate on burning her down asap.

[Toned]

5x shaman melt heroics if you know how to earthbind kite the big pulls... When I play just 4 and my g/f plays her mage it's even easier.
These are the ones I have on "farm" status. Others I've tried but haven't got them down to omg easymode badges. Mechanar looks pretty promising (skip 2nd bitch).




Just wanted to add I just tried Mechanar Heroic, do not skip 2nd boss... super easy badge. Get max lightning bolt distance from her, drop earth elementals, pop heroism/bloodlust, full out nuke. The fire elementals that spawn get caught up in the earth elementals with the boss and you can just concentrate on burning her down asap.

Not bad... I usually use 5 fire elementals being as they're immune to the fire dmg and just kite her around. I figured the fire aoe would fuck the earth ele's up I'll give it a try.

[Toned]

These are the ones I have on "farm" status. Others I've tried but haven't got them down to omg easymode badges. Mechanar looks pretty promising (skip 2nd bitch).


Any particluar order you do the instances? I usually start with Mana tombs, grab 4 badges there, then hit up the 1st boss in Sethekk, then hit coilfang area, and or ramparts, but I'm all over the place- It's not efficient time wise. I'd be interested to hear your kiting techniques as well, thats definitely one thing I usually avoid doing if I can get away with it... my general approach is that of a bull in china shop-not always a good method lol.

I do underbog (4), SP (3), Sv (3) = 10
Then Botanica (5) < Then either mechanar(4) / the daily heroic if it's not already done> or Ramparts (3) + BF (3) or Mana Tombs (3 or 4) + Sethekk (2) depends on what I got time for.

As for Kiting this is a direct response I gave some one who PM'd me the same question: He asked about specs/kiting etc

/insert wall of text


Go 5 elemental... Say it's 2 mobs.. drop 5 stone claw target one and pop bloodlust and spam LB it to death. The other gets tanked by stoneclaw. Make a macro on your main toon for /cast [target=focustargettarget] lesser healing wave and put it some where close to your dps macros. In the same binding have LB for the other 4. This way you can spam lb with 5 toons then quickly switch to heal whatever your focus target's target is while maintaining dps. If it's 3 mobs like 2 melee and 1 caster do this. Drop stoneclaw target 1 of the melee mobs and pop blood lust and spam lb it to death, now the other 2 mobs are on the stoneclaw totems. After mob 1 dies target melee mob 2, Do LB CL ES in that order if it's still alive LB again (chain heal or use the above heal macro as needed). Then drop the caster. For 4 plus mobs kind of same idea except you earth bind kite. Target 1 spam LB it drop 5 stoneclaw before you start combat. Idea here is usually 2 lb 1 es (kills mob before it gets to you) now the other 3 should be on the stoneclaw totems. Flip around real fast and as you run away stagger earthbind totems, again go for the hardest hitters first drop them fast as you can LB CL ES LB etc... Sorry for the wall of text I'm doing a heroic and I'm typing this inbetween pulls.

[Toned]

Second Boss in SL is like the normal he's easy if not easier because now I have higher spell dmg and crit % :P. He gets 1 MC off, but he's at like 20-25% then he has a lot more hps but same fight. The Void Boss is a little bit beefier, and murmur is murmur w/ a little more dps and some annoying shit but high burst and he's easy. ^^.

[Toned]

Just set my personal best badges per day :P Could have got more but it's late maybe tomorrow I'll break it again.



Blood Furnace: 3
Ramparts: 3
Slave Pens: 3
Underbog: 4
Steam Vaults: 3
Mana Tombs: 4
Sethekk Halls: 2
Shadow Labs: 4
Mechanar: 4
Botanica: 5
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35 Badges (would have been 37 if the daily was one of the above)
If I do the above + BM / Durnholde or like Mech / Shattered Halls can bust the 40 mark easily.

[Los]

wow, every day? How much time does that take you?

[Toned]

Weekdays I don't get that many badges done... Maybe 15-20.

I got my 150 badge dagger today about 150 badges in 6 days or so :P

[Velassra]

Anyone do heroics w/ a 5 warlock set? Curious.

[Toned]

I could see it having potential with all the CC succy's bring... and you could curse of exhaustion kite the mob you were killing. Bosses would probably tear through your pets though, and i don't think the lock could out heal the dps.

[Crucial]

Just set my personal best badges per day :P Could have got more but it's late maybe tomorrow I'll break it again.



Blood Furnace: 3
Ramparts: 3
Slave Pens: 3
Underbog: 4
Steam Vaults: 3
Mana Tombs: 4
Sethekk Halls: 2
Shadow Labs: 4
Mechanar: 4
Botanica: 5
-------------------
35 Badges (would have been 37 if the daily was one of the above)
If I do the above + BM / Durnholde or like Mech / Shattered Halls can bust the 40 mark easily.
You should start recording some videos.. so I can um.. borrow your methods and optimize my runs lol.

[Los]

Just set my personal best badges per day :P Could have got more but it's late maybe tomorrow I'll break it again.



Blood Furnace: 3
Ramparts: 3
Slave Pens: 3
Underbog: 4
Steam Vaults: 3
Mana Tombs: 4
Sethekk Halls: 2
Shadow Labs: 4
Mechanar: 4
Botanica: 5
-------------------
35 Badges (would have been 37 if the daily was one of the above)
If I do the above + BM / Durnholde or like Mech / Shattered Halls can bust the 40 mark easily.
You should start recording some videos.. so I can um.. borrow your methods and optimize my runs lol.This reply has my vote

[Toned]

I'm working on it I'm making a guide for heroics every boss with strat for 5x sham + video.

[Crucial]

I'm working on it I'm making a guide for heroics every boss with strat for 5x sham + video.
I have a feeling our approaches to running heroics is completely different so this would be really interesting IMO. Let me know if you want me to record something for the guide if that would help.

[Toned]

Here's a link to the thread that I started == 5x Shaman Heroic Video Guide == ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=71922#post71922')

[Feehza]

Just set my personal best badges per day :P Could have got more but it's late maybe tomorrow I'll break it again.



Blood Furnace: 3
Ramparts: 3
Slave Pens: 3
Underbog: 4
Steam Vaults: 3
Mana Tombs: 4
Sethekk Halls: 2
Shadow Labs: 4
Mechanar: 4
Botanica: 5
-------------------
35 Badges (would have been 37 if the daily was one of the above)
If I do the above + BM / Durnholde or like Mech / Shattered Halls can bust the 40 mark easily.
uhmmm, 4 badges in Mana Thombs? I only earn 3 per run?

[odon]

You can invoke a 4th boss in the last boss room with a Consortium Quest (5 Ethernum keys). At Exalted (Consortium), you can get an infinite key to invoke the boss.