"Banned for Keyclone"

[Tonuss]

See thread here:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6762326534&sid=1

Seems very much like a case of someone making stuff up in order to stir up trouble, but I didn't take the bait, except to point out that there haven't been any reports of banning due to Keyclone from anyone here, and if Blizzard was accidentally banning Keyclone users (and upholding the ban on appeal), we'd have heard about it plenty by now.

I am waiting to see what the blue poster reveals about what went on, but I'm not posting anything else in the topic. I get the feeling that someone is going to faceplant miserably, and I will savor it in silence. :evil:

[Yeti Detective Agency]

Problem solved? or Resolved? =)

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6762326534&postId=65553900987&sid=1#69

[Tonuss]

Yeah, looks like. Blue referred to sections three or eight of the Terms of Use. Seems he was either sharing an account, or he sold/bought gold or items with RL money.

Blue are very subtle in that forum sometimes. I really like that. :)

[Xar]

OP has now admitted that one of the accounts was his/her friends account.

[Tonuss]

Yep, account sharing. There may have been a mistake in the email sent to the account, though it still seems suspicious that he was so convinced that it was Keyclone.

[Xar]

It's too bad we can't gift accounts, etc. but I can see why, you build up an identity then suddenly someone else is behind the toon. But oh well, you have to have your accounts in order if you multibox.

I am sure I've been reported many times already as once in a while after getting a silent follower, you know the ones, they stay back and don't say anything...well sometimes a while after that I start getting weird wow behavior until I shut my wow's down and restart them. Weird meaning I cast Lightning Shield and a toon on one or more of my screens will freeze in the casting position. Or while travelling some of my following toons seem to "flick" side to side though they are following me correctly. I just have a suspicion that careless/inexperienced GM probes might be causing these things to happen or something within Warden's auto collection that has a bug. Other times I go for hours on end without any glitches like this.

Now excuse me while I go craft my tinfoil hat!... ;)

[Tonuss]

I can understand why they're so strict about account ownership. If there is any dispute over ownership, they can just say "whose name is on it? Problem solved." Otherwise, they have to make judgment calls on a case by case basis, and that means sitting and listening to two sides of a story and trying to figure out who is lying (or just who is lying less). No matter what, they would spend a lot of time trying to resolve issues that are really difficult to figure out without spending even MORE time and money investigating. Better to just say "this is the rule, no exceptions, no matter what" and let people fall on their sword instead. Sucks sometimes, but the alternative would drive them crazy.

[Xar]

Good point Tonuss, never thought of that but I thought an official "pass" of the account to someone would be nice, kinda like how Station toons can be bought, etc. Would be less money too for Blizzard so I can see that as well.

[kllrwlf]

If there is a dispute over the ownership, for the most part, you have to fax over a notarized document proving you are who you say you are and it has to match the account info.

Here's another example of why you should not account share... BANNAGE !!!

[Unholy[S]haman]

You guys have all made perfectly good arguments and points about why blizzard does not allow account sharing or trading. I personally think a big contributing factor is that, there is already a huge market for gold selling, account buying and selling etc. Account buying and selling companies hack peoples accounts so they can sell them again. Thankfully there are probably more honest people in wow than dishonest.
If you think about how much of a demand there would be for account selling companies if it was allowed. Sure , I would love to buy that epic warrior or that awesome priest, but i don't since it is not allowed and I can see why not. If it was allowed, the amount of ingame spam, hacking and scamming would increase 10 times more.

[StormClouds]

I would go with just having all the flight points....

[kllrwlf]

I think they at least started on that path with the level requirements lowered and the quest xp given raised with 2.3.

With the Death Knights, it looks like they are also continuing it by having it start at level 55ish.

Hopefully they will continue on.

[Unholy[S]haman]

A lot of account buying would be stopped if blizzard nerfed the leveling process.

After a player has 2 - 3 max level characters - the game really starts losing its appeal. The thought of going back to level 1 to try another class out is pretty damn harsh to a lot of players.

The idea of a the death knight starting at 55... why can't we go that for all characters once you have a max level (or two, or three?) character? Even starting at say level 40 with appropriate green gear and similarly leveled tradeskills that you choose (to prevent over farming of the lowel levels).

Maybe thats too much to ask. Hell, even starting at level 20 would make me happy.Blizzard would never allow this because then all the old content would be come useless and so on. It would make it harder for newbies to find groups (its alrdy crap hard to find low lvl groups) etc.

[Unholy[S]haman]

No, i read your statement fully. Its just that there would be a huge drop in player count in the lower brackets. It would make pvping in the lower bracket almost impossible or incredibly long wait times. It would make it REALLy hard to get an instance group going ( it alrdy takes for ever) and it would just like..make wow empty. Noobs need lvl 70 players to teach them and help them along the way anyways.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Well I would think that as expansions come and go (if blizzard manages to pull off more), blizz will reduce the xp from 60-70 then 70-80 etc same as 20-60. They also mentioned in WOTLK they going to overload it with quests so you will never run out and there will be an abundance.

[Unholy[S]haman]

They also mentioned chances of more death knight kid of classes. They mentioned Arch Druid as one, it could be that that will then become the more interesting way to reroll.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Yeah, but you might find they will start revamping areas pre-bc like they did in dustwallow swamp, as they get more ideas etc.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

IMO, making more quests available like the dustwallow series will be of marginal value when rerolling alts with the intention of going from 1-80+. I have a few more classes I want to level when I'm done with my shammies but WotLK may kill it for me. We'll see how it goes.

[Basilikos]

There's a reason I'm doing a lot of Lowbie stuff right now on alliance and taking my time with the horde. I've seen plenty of alliance stuff and I'm done with it low - level. Horde, on the other hand, I have not seen any of. My Priest + 4 x locks are almost 20 and I'm loving it.

But yeah, replay value goes down when you're technically playing it 5 times more than the normal alt-aholics out there.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

There's a reason I'm doing a lot of Lowbie stuff right now on alliance and taking my time with the horde. I've seen plenty of alliance stuff and I'm done with it low - level. Horde, on the other hand, I have not seen any of. My Priest + 4 x locks are almost 20 and I'm loving it.

But yeah, replay value goes down when you're technically playing it 5 times more than the normal alt-aholics out there.I'll agree on the first part but disagree on the replay value thing. ;) I have an easier time leveling as a multibox group than solo, though I'll admit to not having solo leveled a toon since 2005.

[Gadzooks]

IMO, making more quests available like the dustwallow series will be of marginal value when rerolling alts with the intention of going from 1-80+. I have a few more classes I want to level when I'm done with my shammies but WotLK may kill it for me. We'll see how it goes.They've said they plan on revisiting the old content - every bracket could use new quests and quest hubs - places like the Blasted Lands or Badlands could definitely be fleshed out more.

I just want an alternative to Stranglethorn Vale, you end up there both sides, all races, and I'm bloody BORED with it. I'm leveling my shaman specifically outside of STV, they just hit 30, and I'm going to see how far I can get via Southshore, Arathi, Dustwallow, and other places.

They really need to balance it at some point, or they will kill new subs. There needs to be new lowbie instances, new zones, and new loot and new loot tables. I would have NO problem if they dedicated half of an expansion to doing this. I'd love new classes and professions, too, like woodworking.

They can do it, they proved it with Dustwallow, which are fun, creative quests, and with the BF and Spacegoat starting areas. I've taken 3 characters all the way through the Spacegoat zone, and two horde halfway through the BF zones, and they're awesome - balanced quests, never too hard, you can always keep your quets log full, lots of good drops and nodes, and great storylines.

I simply cannot think about doing Goldshire/Westfall/etc..., or the gnome/dwarf starting zone, or the NE zone. They suck, after you experience the new stuff.

[Gadzooks]

IMO, making more quests available like the dustwallow series will be of marginal value when rerolling alts with the intention of going from 1-80+. I have a few more classes I want to level when I'm done with my shammies but WotLK may kill it for me. We'll see how it goes.They've said they plan on revisiting the old content - every bracket could use new quests and quest hubs - places like the Blasted Lands or Badlands could definitely be fleshed out more.

I just want an alternative to Stranglethorn Vale, you end up there both sides, all races, and I'm bloody BORED with it. I'm leveling my shaman specifically outside of STV, they just hit 30, and I'm going to see how far I can get via Southshore, Arathi, Dustwallow, and other places.

They really need to balance it at some point, or they will kill new subs. There needs to be new lowbie instances, new zones, and new loot and new loot tables. I would have NO problem if they dedicated half of an expansion to doing this. I'd love new classes and professions, too, like woodworking.

They can do it, they proved it with Dustwallow, which are fun, creative quests, and with the BF and Spacegoat starting areas. I've taken 3 characters all the way through the Spacegoat zone, and two horde halfway through the BF zones, and they're awesome - balanced quests, never too hard, you can always keep your quets log full, lots of good drops and nodes, and great storylines.

I simply cannot think about doing Goldshire/Westfall/etc..., or the gnome/dwarf starting zone, or the NE zone. They suck, after you experience the new stuff.

[Tdog]

A lot of account buying would be stopped if blizzard nerfed the leveling process.

After a player has 2 - 3 max level characters - the game really starts losing its appeal. The thought of going back to level 1 to try another class out is pretty damn harsh to a lot of players.

The idea of a the death knight starting at 55... why can't we go that for all characters once you have a max level (or two, or three?) character? Even starting at say level 40 with appropriate green gear and similarly leveled tradeskills that you choose (to prevent over farming of the lowel levels).

Maybe thats too much to ask. Hell, even starting at level 20 would make me happy. I'm thinking of something like this idea but rather than have people with max level characters simply start out at a higher level character, a person with 1 level 70 should have his second character's xp rates reduced pretty significantly, then a person with 2 level 70's have the third alt's xp reduced even more significantly, the a person with 3 70's have the 4 character's xp reduced even more than the person with 2 70's and so on and so forth. I agree with starting out at level 1 and gaining xp and having time to learn how to use abilities before you get a new set of abilites. But as you level up more and more toons you don't need to spend as much time on your 10th level 70 to learn how the abilites in comparison as to how long it took you to learn your abilites on your very first character.

[Knytestorme]

I've always liked the idea of being able to start new characters at a level of 1 + 10*Number of 70's you have on account.

New players start at level 1
Someone with 1 level 70 can start new characters on that realm at level 11
2 70's on one realm, hey your new chars start at level 21
etc

This way, when the level 100 xpac starts off, if you have 9 level 100's and you start a new char, hey you have shown you know how to play so let's just start you maxed out but naked and with 0 gold if you want.

[Eteocles]

And then the lower lvl zones become underpopulated and there's no world-wise players to show true newbies their failures for taking Brambles on a druid, wearing +spelldmg twinking items on the (full) Defias set at lv21(I saw this...on a druid though so not a COMPLETE loss...still though) and general play tips/inspiration/help. As nice as it would be there's already enough ways to get up relatively quick(not that it's slow to begin with)

[Knytestorme]

I semi-agree with you there.

People solo in the lower levels still for the most part and seem to rarely appreciate getting given hints or suggestions on gear or skill usage so I doubt the loss of a bunch of people who are purely solo powering (or getting boosted) to max level for a reroll is going to have any more of an impact on the game then making them actually have to level up again.

I know when I leveled my rogue and warlocks to 70 I never grouped once and avoided heavily poppulated zones as much as possible, and will be een less social when I go to boost my shaman up.

[OzPhoenix]

Gotcha.

At some point, level 90 maybe, this is going tobe a real problem. Maybe level 100....? I don't know how long wow will last, but its replay value makes people keep resubscribing.

RIght now, 1 - 70 takes awhile. Its not horrible, but it does take time. 1 - 80 is going to be much worse. 1 - 90... screw it. 1- 100? /cancel subscription and play something else

I feel a huge part of what has kept me going for 3 years now is that I have a TON of characters. (besides my 5-box team). I really want a priest + 4x warlock group... so I have to level up 2x more warlocks, pick up the 3rd at 44, then the 4th at 67. I'm debating on that right now. 1-70 is doable. Not something I'm looking forward too, but doable, because the end results will be worth it.

1 - 80? I *might* do ti.

1 - 90? Nope. Sorry.

The 20-60 change helps for sure - but I've donw all the starting areas a couple of times now. "reply value" is gone for me. I just want to get through it so I can meet my end game goals.

I don't think it (levelling in Azeroth) should be skipped entirely, because I still think the "old content" is still worthwhile for new players as a learning curve.

What I would (personally) like to see is the rested-experience turned on permanently for any character starting in a BC-enabled account. You'd still need to go through Azeroth in all it's glory, slowly learning and levelling a character, but the levelling would be much faster.

Definitely some re-tuining will be needed after Lich King, because even an Altaholic like me blanches a little at the idea of going 1-80. /ugh.

[Unholy[S]haman]

Now thats a good idea..rested xp. hmmm.

[DarthLucid]

By and large, they try to keep the time to reach max level about the same, at least after six months after the expansion. You can expect xp rates for old world content and BC to go up after Wrath, just as they did for BC. So, if they get level 100 someday, 1-60 will be way faster than it is now.

[leukos]

It's not the same as new content, and I'm sure this has already been talked about, but taking a couple programmer months and making the old world instances into a Heroic mode (Ultra-Heroic for level 80 players ??). At the very least it would keep people coming back to the old zones to get to the instances.

I've also wondered if it would be worth turning on a heroic mode for the whole world (just let me turn it off), with an additional loot table for those mobs that feeds into the crafting system.

It seems like regardless of the expansion, there is only going to be one to three months after any expansion before portions of a server enter the "end-game" and leveling is no longer increasing a number next to the character profile, but getting better gear.

[Tonuss]

This is, in large part, due to the fact that I played Everquest and City of Heroes before playing WoW, but it seems Blizzard is keenly aware of the leveling curve as they add levels. I know that they cut down the amount of exp for 60-70 during beta testing for BC. What I saw in the beta was higher than what went live. They also reduced the experience required to level from 20-60 (or 30-60?) and also increased the experience you get from quest rewards. It used to be that level 58-60 quests gave around 5500-6500 experience as a reward. I was getting more than that at level... 40?... this time around. They also increased the experience rewards from most Outland quests recently.

I expect that a few months after WotLK goes live, they'll further trim the amount of experience you need in order to get from 60-70 and possibly even boost experience rewards a bit more, then a few months after that as they prepare for their next expansion, they'll boost quest rewards in WotLK. It wouldn't surprise me that at some point they'll let people start characters at level 30 or 40 once they meet certain requirements (ie, a level 70 character on one server).

Compare this to Everquest, where the leveling curve was already painfully steep, and where their version of talents are points that can be accumulated by earning them the same way you earned normal experience... by killing mobs over and over and over and... As I understand it, only relatively recently did they make it so that gaining experience and alternate ability points didn't require grinding out experience until you fainted. CoH has a bit of a steep leveling curve, but it didn't help that the game itself became very repetitive and boring very quickly. Ding, level 35! Go into this warehouse and defeat these mobs. Now go into this cave and defeat these mobs. Now repeat that warehouse/cave instance forty or fifty times. Great, ding level 36! What, I have to run those same scenarios AGAIN? And even more times? And I won't see a different type of instance for another three levels of this? *weep*

I just don't understand how we put ourselves through that, time after time. *shudder*

[Jaws5]

All good ideas for game replay. I watched my son play Conan over the long weekend. I was really happy that they could learn all the collecting professions. Letting one toon have all collectings professions ( weeds, skinning, mining ) would be great)

[zanthor]

Blizzard could all but eliminate 3rd party account sales and RMT in one simple move... support it themselves.

Add an "RMT" checkbox to the trade interface and people could buy things from each other with RMT, Blizzard then gets a slice... Add an interface to the website to transfer account ownership to another, with a nominal minimum payment and everything over that (minus a percentage) goes to the seller...

Of course, this then applies a RL$ value to their products and services, which means when something is stolen, there is real value to it and the courts can be involved, of course this creates a tarbaby for Blizzard/Activision so they don't want to do it, despite the gagging bags full of cash they could earn from it.

[Oswyn]

Gotcha.

At some point, level 90 maybe, this is going tobe a real problem. Maybe level 100....? I don't know how long wow will last, but its replay value makes people keep resubscribing.

RIght now, 1 - 70 takes awhile. Its not horrible, but it does take time. 1 - 80 is going to be much worse. 1 - 90... screw it. 1- 100? /cancel subscription and play something else

I feel a huge part of what has kept me going for 3 years now is that I have a TON of characters. (besides my 5-box team). I really want a priest + 4x warlock group... so I have to level up 2x more warlocks, pick up the 3rd at 44, then the 4th at 67. I'm debating on that right now. 1-70 is doable. Not something I'm looking forward too, but doable, because the end results will be worth it.

1 - 80? I *might* do ti.

1 - 90? Nope. Sorry.

The 20-60 change helps for sure - but I've donw all the starting areas a couple of times now. "reply value" is gone for me. I just want to get through it so I can meet my end game goals.

I have an idea Fur. They could provide more bind on account items that your higher level toons could get to help level up your lower toons faster. Maybe a RAF trinket where you get triple XP. This way only people with at least one 80 (or 90) can level up other toons faster.

[aboron]

Blizzard could all but eliminate 3rd party account sales and RMT in one simple move... support it themselves.

Add an "RMT" checkbox to the trade interface and people could buy things from each other with RMT, Blizzard then gets a slice... Add an interface to the website to transfer account ownership to another, with a nominal minimum payment and everything over that (minus a percentage) goes to the seller...

Of course, this then applies a RL$ value to their products and services, which means when something is stolen, there is real value to it and the courts can be involved, of course this creates a tarbaby for Blizzard/Activision so they don't want to do it, despite the gagging bags full of cash they could earn from it.

I actually kind of liked what they do in EVE, you can trade characters between different owners' account for in game gold (isk). I think this would be very handy in wow.

Imagine saving up 40,000 game gold and then buying a fresh 80 with it, or whatever the market would be goldwise for that. So established high level players wouldn't have to grind again, and new players could do something to make themselves a ton of gold at a shot without having to do the same old dailies grind (solo) forever.

This would avoid the real money transaction too.

[Khatovar]

? Did we have to beat the dust off this one with a tennis racket?

[shaeman]

I think the spell Raise Dead was used.

[zanthor]

Holy thread necro batman!

Holy crap how did this happen? I didn't even notice the dates on the post when I responded, but it was on the front page of posts when I replied this morning...

[Aradar]

Holy crap how did this happen? I didn't even notice the dates on the post when I responded, but it was on the front page of posts when I replied this morning...

Yeah, mine is showing old stuff as well. For some reason, the sorting switched to by Thread (alphabetical) instead of Last Post. You just need to click on the tops of the columns to sort the way you want. Now how to get Last Post back to the defualt sorting, I'll let someone else figure that out because I don't feel like doing it right now. :P

[Bovidae]

Necro or not, it was a good read.

Interesting how some things turned out to happen and other did not, while others were just...lol

[Svpernova09]

Yeah, mine is showing old stuff as well. For some reason, the sorting switched to by Thread (alphabetical) instead of Last Post. You just need to click on the tops of the columns to sort the way you want. Now how to get Last Post back to the defualt sorting, I'll let someone else figure that out because I don't feel like doing it right now. :P


It's all fixed now. /waves hand you didn't see anything I promise.

Of course, if you are STILL seeing strangeness like this, clear your cache, if you STILL see it, let me know which forum you're seeing it in :_)

[Tonuss]

Holy thread necro batman!
Yeah, I was wondering when the hell I started a topic about keyclone. :D

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Old thread is old.

[Tasty]

Old thread is old.

Old meme is old too.

Check and mate :P

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Old meme is old too.

Check and mate :P
Old memes are still germane. Old threads...not so much. ;) (OMGHAX!)

[Naxxz]

Now all we need Is a thread lock followed by a little rhyme and these threads can go back to the grave together :p