5 Palys? 4 Arms/Fury warriors and a Holy Paly? dumb idea or hmm...

[ImaHealer]

I was just wondering if

Doing a 5 box group of paladins would even be worth wild…
5 Blessings
5 auras
Plate armor
5 Consecrations
5 judged blessings

might be wroth a try..

or 4 Warrior toons and 1 holy Paladin?
A set up for 4 or 5 Deathknights?!
DPS + Plate and healing?

Comments?

Being I have been Boxing for just over 3 weeks now
I was wondering if anyone has tried ether of the
Above combos and if it’s even worth it?

Thanks!

[Dorffo]

it depends on what your goals are for the team - I think it sounds like a lot of fun working out the details/logistics of controlling a group comp like those (either one). I tend to align with the mindset that if the group comp you're playing is fun, than it's totally worth it.

[ImaHealer]

learn2search

Deathknights are not available yet. So how the hell is anyone going to know how they're work?

Wow that was Harsh......

Ya might want to get a grip on that Intolerance Issue you seem to have..

New people like me may think your a Huge Jerk
did someone Dis you when you first started multi-boxing?

[Darcla]

Greetings, and welcome to the multiboxing world.

Seeing as how you obviously didn't even attempt to dig around for information about your quesiton, multiboxing if probably not a hobby for you, as thinking on your feet doesn't appear to be a strong-suit of yours. There is a ton of information here on the forums and in the wiki, that you decided to ignore, basically spitting in everyone elses face who worked so hard to provide said information free to the public.

Thank you sir, and have a nice day.

(Incase you decide to take offense to that, its written in a sacartisc manner, and written only to drive home a point, not to offend)wow... seriously?

[ImaHealer]

Ok. This has NO sarcasm at all.

Let me tell you a little story on How I broke my youngest “17 year old” from
Saying Just Kidding and “Disclaimers for Jerky posts” works to

One day my daughter was talking to a friend of hers.
Her friend said something to her, my daughter replied
Very harshly to her “Friend” NOTE: this is a friend of hers
Since she was 5 and they consider each other best friends,

When my daughters friend got upset and started to cry at
What my daughter had said to her, my daughters replay
Was O I was Just Kidding…

My daughter came over to my car and got in to go home.
When we had gotten out of range I gave her a good little slap
On the arm, not hard enough to be mean just a little Sting
My daughters reply was OUCH that hurt
My Reply to my daughter was “O Just Kidding”
My daughter then said well it still hurts

When you slap someone in the Face for making a Newbie
Mistake and then give it a “Disclaimer” you cheapen the
Entire relationship from that point on.

My apologies for Not being as good as you are in searching this site
For the information I needed/wanted.

But your Jerky reaction to it is still mean and well plain and simple
Makes you a Jerk.

Now having said that “NO Disclaimer”

I am willing to start over if you are if not good luck and
Have a fun life
if yes Howdy my name is Zruam and I am a
Newbie to this multi-boxing way of life using software
Though I have 2boxed it with my computers for a while.
So forgive me if I make a mistake or two along the way.

[Eteocles]

Don't mind Fur, he's on a wiki spree today ;p

To be fair though these decisions are ultimately up to you:
Question: Will X/Y/Z work?
Counter-Question: Is/will it be fun to you?
If answer = no, don't do it
If answer = yes, go for it! =D
If answer = maybe, try it, you got nothin to lose.

It all falls to your specific playstyle and what you enjoy; I personally hate mages and thus will never roll one, they're too boring to me. I also have enough trouble keeping up with matching classes so till I'm more sure of myself, I stick to single-class multibox teams. Ask yourself, would you enjoy the melee classes? Having to re-follow after every fight, and sometimes multiple times Mid-Fight too? Chasing down runners with melee sound fun? Give it a try, see if you like it, if not, don't need to go back ;)

[ImaHealer]

To Be Honest, I am having as much fun figuring out
What the heck I am doing, and learning Higher lvl macroing
Than I have used in WoW before.

2 boxing with 2 computers, 2 trackballs, heck 2 of everything
side by side is fun this is better lol

[Tamu]

It's all about the macros and key bindings, imo. Once you know how to write efficient macros and have your bindings set for what works for you, then you can make just about any combo work as long as you like playing it. Personally, I don't like the positional requirements of melee classes when I multi-box, but someone else might really enjoy it. Try many variations and see if you like it. I have so many lowbie teams of various compositions that I really need to go back and clean up. Anyhow, good luck to you and have fun!

[Boylston]

Your post is not specific. Additionally, answers to the most basic, "has anyone tried this", question could have been found via searching the forums.

You then ask the "is it worthwhile" type question. How is anyone supposed to answer this? Worthwhile as measured by what? Worthwhile on what type of content?

You also lump in too many group combinations (including death knights that no one has actually played or seen enough info about to come to even the roughest of theorycrafting conclusions) for a reader to really figure out how to respond.

You may think Fursphere was rude to respond in the way that he did. He did actually search for and link two threads that have something you may have been looking for, however.

You say:
Wow that was Harsh......

Ya might want to get a grip on that Intolerance Issue you seem to have..

New people like me may think your a Huge Jerk
did someone Dis you when you first started multi-boxing? Here's the deal, any one of the seasoned multiboxers who helps folks out here could have been thinking something along the lines of:

"Wow, this poster was incredibly lazy.

(s)he might want to get a grip on how to post a question in a fashion that I can make a meaningful response to.

Old people like me worry that we're starting to attract more people who can't think for themselves, research or search for a quick answer, and want everything spoonfed."

[Shaitan256]

I'm Currently Running 3 Pallies + Shaman, It is great ;) Can't w8 for WF-Totem.That would kick ass. I guess only Pallies? Naah thought about it, But you don't really need 5 Auras 5 Blessings 4 Would Rock, so you have any blessings and Auras you need, then a Heal Shaman for Earth shield and WF Totem ;) But my 5th is gonna be the DK, Hope he is great @ Tanking, If he isn't he's gonna be DPS ;)

[Boylston]

For what it's worth, Fursphere can be incredibly helpful if you ask something that is remotely unique, expressed completely, and hasn't been covered 4,000 times.


Witness his very helpful response here. ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7600') (Incredibly recently, to boot!)

[ImaHealer]

Your post is not specific. Additionally, answers to the most basic, "has anyone tried this", question could have been found via searching the forums.

You then ask the "is it worthwhile" type question. How is anyone supposed to answer this? Worthwhile as measured by what? Worthwhile on what type of content?

You also lump in too many group combinations (including death knights that no one has actually played or seen enough info about to come to even the roughest of theorycrafting conclusions) for a reader to really figure out how to respond.

You may think Fursphere was rude to respond in the way that he did. He did actually search for and link two threads that have something you may have been looking for, however.

You say:
Wow that was Harsh......

Ya might want to get a grip on that Intolerance Issue you seem to have..

New people like me may think your a Huge Jerk
did someone Dis you when you first started multi-boxing? Here's the deal, any one of the seasoned multiboxers who helps folks out here could have been thinking something along the lines of:

"Wow, this poster was incredibly lazy.

(s)he might want to get a grip on how to post a question in a fashion that I can make a meaningful response to.

Old people like me worry that we're starting to attract more people who can't think for themselves, research or search for a quick answer, and want everything spoonfed."

are you guys the "typical" old timers of Dule-Boxing.com posters?
if so let me go get my Vaseline and grab my ankles now...

Listen, I did search, sorry didn't find anything that helped so I asked.
IF I’m going to get Slapped around every time I ask a Newbie question
I might as well just stop asking...

Holy Cow Forgive me for not being the best of the best "Non-newbies"

[Khazrael]

I actually enjoy these kinds of discussions, and I assume the purpose of the post is more so to spark discussion then it is to just see if someone else has done it. Even if someone else has done it in the past, what's the harm in making a new thread about it and reviving the discussion. If he had used the search feature and found an old thread, it would probably be difficult to get any more meaningful discussion in it as his posts would likely get lost in the mix of all the other posts already in there.

I think a lot of people are just worked up since there was a post on the very subject of the "harshness" of the community just recently that got quite a few replies. People probably have that kind of stuff in the forefront of their minds and are acting on it a bit more then they normally would because of it. Personally, and while I don't consider myself one of the "old school" for sure, I don't think this post warranted the response, but that's just my opinion.

More to the point, I think it would be fun to try, you could have them all different specs and really min max your buffage with the pallies to get the most out of your auras/blessings. It would definately be a melee group though, which is difficult but seems to be more and more of a side project for people these days (look up TDog and his dogs of war sometime).

[Eteocles]

Discussing builds and setups would be fine and all...but again it's still a personal thing and you have to get started to begin with...like I told my ex-guild leader in DC, you can theory-craft all you want and it may look fine on paper but in practice it never works out that way; does it sound fun? Try it! It might just be fun :p We can't really tell you how fun or unfun it is, as someone who loves to melee box may ask if casters're fun and we'd all say yes then he tries it and bam hates it lol, at least roll 'em first and see how it starts ;)

The rest of you chill out, go read my karaoke posts to laugh a bit(with, or at me, either way) then come back when yer done ;p OP and others alike, neither side's being too patient or calm at the moment, shhh guys we got enough to deal with from the wow general forum posters, let's not fight amongst ourselves too :P

[ImaHealer]

Thank you Khazrael

I have started the 5xPaladin thing and find the problem I am having
is with orientation of the toons for battle...
tried the run though and turn around with main thing
and also the run up stop and back up with the main thing
both work at the under lvl 5

though I have a lvl 70 paly who I have set up as a Holy Damage paly
I actually do more damage from getting HIT than I do hitting :-)

I like the melee damage thing rogues, Arms/Fury warriors was just interested
in talking with others who had or are trying it.

the statement about Deathknights, was kinda an off hand thing. since they will
be primarily melee, Kinda, and since you can only have 1 per Not sure if it's account or relm
4 or 5 of em dule-boxed might be kool lol

[Khazrael]

Discussing builds and setups would be fine and all...but again it's still a personal thing and you have to get started to begin with...like I told my ex-guild leader in DC, you can theory-craft all you want and it may look fine on paper but in practice it never works out that way; does it sound fun? Try it! It might just be fun :p We can't really tell you how fun or unfun it is, as someone who loves to melee box may ask if casters're fun and we'd all say yes then he tries it and bam hates it lol, at least roll 'em first and see how it starts ;)

I'm not 100% sure if it is the intent of his post, but if he wants to start a discussion on the pro's/cons prospective builds and what other people might do with such a group, why is that not considered valid discussion material? The post really came off to me as more of a "what kind of things can you do with this setup" sort of way, but perhaps I just look at things from a different perspective.

Believe me, I'm just as tired of the inane posts that happen sometimes (bobmarley anyone?) but this one doesn't seem to fall into that category if you ask me. If you have an old thread with discussion on the same topic, then guess what it's old and outdated. Any new information since then probably isn't in that thread, and could be brought to light with a new thread to update people with.

[Khazrael]

I have started the 5xPaladin thing and find the problem I am having
is with orientation of the toons for battle...
tried the run though and turn around with main thing
and also the run up stop and back up with the main thing
both work at the under lvl 5

I do a tad of melee multiboxing with my level 53 5 sham group. It's on a lesser scale as I have two enh shaman (one being my main) so I'm always working to throw my other enh shaman into place while in combat. What I do, is my primary nuke button maps my alternative melee character to follow my primary. So as I'm tanking and moving around, everytime I attack the target he follows me as I try to position him in place. Position is important though, and I really think its something you can only learn through trying. Keep practicing and see how well you can position the mobs for your melee alts to run in and lay down some pain.

[Boylston]

You could have tried...

I have been considering doing a 5xPaladin setup. This might have the advantages of:

5 Blessings
5 auras
Plate armor
5 Consecrations
5 judged blessings

How well do you think this would work for PvE instance running? I don't want to do much PvP, but do you think that the combination would be effective in the battlegrounds? If you have first hand experience (I searched and saw only one thread about someone who's tried this and it wasn't very current), I'd love to get feedback on how it's working.

Here's how I would have answered THAT question:

Here's a few comments/speculation based off what I know from playing Paladins in solo mode and multiboxing in instances:

First off, 5 auras/blessings will be somewhat "overkill". You rarely need more than 3 blessings on a target in any role, and once you have Devotion, Retribution, Sanctity covered, the other auras will be needed only very situationally.

Your group will be exceedingly durable since everyone is wearing plate (and potentially a shield). Unfortunately, the main source of DPS may be 5xConsecrates, which will be very slow to kill mobs relative to other group combinations (multiboxed or otherwise). Paladins do a fair amount of reactive damage as well on multiple targets, but the total DPS coming from this will not be more than if you had a single tanking paladin, generally speaking. Each mob is only going to attack 1 paladin at any given time.

You could, of course, do something with Retribution paladins, but then you're morphing into a multiple-melee group. This has been done before (search for "Dogs of War" to find a good thread highlighting some experiences with multiple melees) but it will almost certainly limit you to PvE content. It's also significantly harder than other multiboxing setups, so it may not be a good first choice for a group.

In short, I think this combination would be very durable but kill things incredibly slowly. It will also be severely gimped for PvP since you're either hoping people stand in 5x Consecrates or trying to control multiple melees. The total lack of fear mitigation (except for bubble) is the nail in the coffin from a PvP perspective.

[Sanctume]

I was just wondering if

Doing a 5 box group of paladins would even be worth wild…
5 Blessings
5 auras
Plate armor
5 Consecrations
5 judged blessings

might be wroth a try..

or 4 Warrior toons and 1 holy Paladin?
A set up for 4 or 5 Deathknights?!
DPS + Plate and healing?

Comments?

Being I have been Boxing for just over 3 weeks now
I was wondering if anyone has tried ether of the
Above combos and if it’s even worth it?

Thanks!5 Blessings?

1. Kings - ok for all
2. Might - just for Melee and maybe the tank
3. Wisdom - yes for all
4. Light for +healing received, ok

5. Sanctuary - coming from the tank himself, less dmg reduction.
6. Salvation - great for all except the tank.
5&6 becomes an issue where you cast Salvation for all, and then Single Blessing Salvation yourself.

5 Auras?
1. Armor from Devo - ok
2. Consentration - ok for casters/healers
3. Retribution. Ok at lower levels, not really used in heroics / raid levels--except you have extra paladins.
4. Sanctitity - good +dmg all around
5. Specific Resist. Not much low level encounter where you would need more than 1 type of resist.

5 Judged Seals
1. Light
2. Wisdom
3. Crusade
4. Justice,
5. Blood if horde. Dunno what Allies really have

Where are 5 Paladins good at? Undead and Demon mobs:
1. SM graveyard
2. Undead Strath
3. Hellfire Peninsula
4. SMV
5. Botanica?
6. KZ

Naxx maybe?

I've ran 2 Paladins in my group. Shock Build 38/0/23. After the holy shock, I'd want to do some auto-attack w/ SoR. I find it irritating when my pally isn't in melee range.

I run an Arms warrior also with m 4-box, and same deal with melee. It takes some more micro to have them in place to auto swing.
I find it nice to have the Warrior on follow of my Prot Pally tank, and does a charge first, so then I just walk up to resume tanking.
But then I find my cast sequence on my warrior much more cumbersome to micro due to rage issues which I don't see in my main screen.

So I do ThunderClap and Demoshouts. Then just spam Slam and MS. And ofcournse sync key of Execute with Hammer of Wrath.

Now, I mix in a Combat Mace Rogue who just spams Hemo and Evis. I like the passive mace stuns. But positioning to be in melee range after the Warrior charges, and the Prot Pally moves into position, I dedicate a key for Shock Pally and Mace Rogue to inch up to melee range. But by then, the mob is in execute range. :)

After a few more gear, I'm gonna play with Shaman mixed in with the Melees.

[Khazrael]

Does anyone know if light/wisdom judges stack? I imagine not, but I've never tried it. That would be pretty cool to have too if you've got 5 melee pally's up there all the time, could amount to a lot of extra healing/mana.

[ImaHealer]

When you slap someone in the Face for making a Newbie
Mistake and then give it a “Disclaimer” you cheapen the
Entire relationship from that point on.

When you come off asking completely subjective questions without any background information (like, what you're trying to accomplish), and an obvious lack of attempting to find the answers yourself, you have ZERO credibility. If you want to ask newbie questions like these, post them in the newbie forum - I'll leave you alone there.

this is to : Fursphere
Everyone else my apologies.

Ok I hope you have a great life I’m done with you in particular.
I was asking a question. Instead of trying to be helpful you
have gone out of your way to be a jerk.
I hope the next time you are New to something and make a
mistake, "by the way it was Only a mistake to you" that some
one is nicer and more helpful to you, than you have attempted
to be with me.

I could say I hope they slap the crap out of you and make you cry
but then that would be dropping to your lvl.

Good bye and welcome to my /ignore

[Sanctume]

You could, of course, do something with Retribution paladins, but then you're morphing into a multiple-melee group. This has been done before (search for "Dogs of War" to find a good thread highlighting some experiences with multiple melees) but it will almost certainly limit you to PvE content. It's also significantly harder than other multiboxing setups, so it may not be a good first choice for a group.

In short, I think this combination would be very durable but kill things incredibly slowly. It will also be severely gimped for PvP since you're either hoping people stand in 5x Consecrates or trying to control multiple melees. The total lack of fear mitigation (except for bubble) is the nail in the coffin from a PvP perspective.A decently geared Ret pally has about enough many for 2 burst DPS. Judge SotC, Soc, (Stun, Judge, Crusader Strile, SoC --- repeat) Consecration Rank 1 is used for rogues.

The problem with multi-melee is you lose follow on auto-attacks, and PvP targets usually don't cower in place, and instead run. You would have 15% run speed though, and chain Hammer of Stuns for your SoCs.

But gearing up that many pally, would be quite frustating. Shamans shoot-shoot style is more fun.

[Sanctume]

Does anyone know if light/wisdom judges stack? I imagine not, but I've never tried it. That would be pretty cool to have too if you've got 5 melee pally's up there all the time, could amount to a lot of extra healing/mana.One Judged Seal per Paladin. AND One type of Judgement per mob. So yes, you can have Light and Wisdom from 2 paladins.

[ImaHealer]

Lots of great info and ideas.

I like the idea of
5 blessings
5 auras
healing Plate

and maybe
5 different judgments
so everyone gets mana and health back
while doing max damage, well max for palys lol

ill keep at it for a while, I like the multy mob
abilities of a paladin.

I have not tried a Ret build for a while
Since I did a ton of PvP back Pre BC
But it may help hay it’s worth a try!

[ImaHealer]

[quote='Boylston',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67605#post67605]But gearing up that many pally, would be quite frustating. Shamans shoot-shoot style is more fun.

That is one of the Draw backs I am seeing as a problem
and I agree my lvl 6 shamans are a ton of fun! Pew Pew

[Drizzit]

If you are going forward with the 5 pally keep me posted. I would like to hear how they do when they get to some outland instances and heroics.

[Eteocles]

Same thing I tell people in game who tell all of general they're ignoring someone: Just do it and move on; you don't need the last word, just do it and get back to the normal convo, noone cares if you ignore someone but you and the ignoree. :P

Light and Wis stack literally, but Multiple Lights do not stack and multiple Wis's do not stack; you can have both up but only one of each. Put the +holy dmg taken seal up on a third, Justice to slow runners on a fourth then fifth, hell if I remember as my set of palas is only lv6 and my solo-played lv58 prot pala is patches behind and, well, solo. :P

I may pick up the lv6s again...it's an interesting concept if you can stand hitting the follow key every 3 seconds, tons of blessings stackable; god help you if you your autoattacks get unsynched and only 2 of 5 or 3 of 5 are attacking lol

Also, just imagine if the old-style super reckoning bombs still worked...5x reckbombs = OHMYGODYESMORELOLZ

[ImaHealer]

I am going to try a few different set ups
Toon wise

doing the 5x paly now
and the 5x Shaman
and the 5x Warlocks

and IF I get brave ill try
3x of this with 2x of that
or other set ups after I get
a better handle on it.

getting the macros made
and understanding the mechanics
of it are challenging.

I have learned more of macros
"Still a total newbie at it though"
in the last 3 weeks than I ever
knew before in WoW
there is so much that can be done
with the right macro Holy Cow

I like it, I like it a lot.

[Khazrael]

Eteo I can only response to you now in one way...

Omg /dogpile

[Gurblash]

mandatory thread de-railer

/drinks a cup of hulk fuel
/DOGPILE

[Eteocles]

OHGODMYSPLEENISBEINGCRUSHEDGETOFFYOUFATBASEMENTNER DBOTTERS =( lol ;D

This's the only active thread atm too...you guys've been so damn quiet all week, there's not enough songs to make karaoke out of at this rate, post more before I release a whole freakin album! :P

[Boylston]

this is to : Fursphere
Everyone else my apologies.

Ok I hope you have a great life I’m done with you in particular.
I was asking a question. Instead of trying to be helpful you
have gone out of your way to be a jerk.
I hope the next time you are New to something and make a
mistake, "by the way it was Only a mistake to you" that some
one is nicer and more helpful to you, than you have attempted
to be with me.

I could say I hope they slap the crap out of you and make you cry
but then that would be dropping to your lvl.

Good bye and welcome to my /ignorelearn2privatemessage


Please consider that starting a thread that didn't have a whole lot of information and wasn't adequately researched is somewhat "rude".

[Sanctume]

Discussing builds and setups would be fine and all...but again it's still a personal thing and you have to get started to begin with...like I told my ex-guild leader in DC, you can theory-craft all you want and it may look fine on paper but in practice it never works out that way; does it sound fun? Try it! It might just be fun :p We can't really tell you how fun or unfun it is, as someone who loves to melee box may ask if casters're fun and we'd all say yes then he tries it and bam hates it lol, at least roll 'em first and see how it starts ;)

I'm not 100% sure if it is the intent of his post, but if he wants to start a discussion on the pro's/cons prospective builds and what other people might do with such a group, why is that not considered valid discussion material? The post really came off to me as more of a "what kind of things can you do with this setup" sort of way, but perhaps I just look at things from a different perspective.

Believe me, I'm just as tired of the inane posts that happen sometimes (bobmarley anyone?) but this one doesn't seem to fall into that category if you ask me. If you have an old thread with discussion on the same topic, then guess what it's old and outdated. Any new information since then probably isn't in that thread, and could be brought to light with a new thread to update people with.I think it's good that people post ideas, even if they're not unique ideas. Sure they can re-hash and search old threads. But I think part of the fun in theocrafting is discussing it "currently" with the community. And perhaps, find would be theocrafters to bounce ideas with.

I mean, sure I can dig up old discussions, but then some of those thread aren't worthy of digging it up. And perhaps, there wasn't really any real conclusion from those theorcrafts.

[Drizzit]

This's the only active thread atm too.Just think if the op never posted this there would be no active posting...lol.
Try this one... it is good Ferocious inspiration and Furious Howl ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7603')

[Shaitan256]

and IF I get brave ill try

3x of this with 2x of that

or other set ups after I get

a better handle on it.

I guess 3 Pally and 2 Shaman would be nice, 1 Enhancement and 1 Healer + 3 Retpally / 2Ret 1 Tankadin , Would be an Awesome Smash group.
WF for everyone, + Attack power from the Shamy after crit.

Guess I add 1 Shaman to my group ^^

[Boylston]

I am going to try a few different set ups
Toon wise

doing the 5x paly now
and the 5x Shaman
and the 5x Warlocks

and IF I get brave ill try
3x of this with 2x of that
or other set ups after I get
a better handle on it.

getting the macros made
and understanding the mechanics
of it are challenging.

I have learned more of macros
"Still a total newbie at it though"
in the last 3 weeks than I ever
knew before in WoW
there is so much that can be done
with the right macro Holy Cow

I like it, I like it a lot.I'm not sure what's more annoying, wall of text or e.e.cummings-style.

if he starts posting
in the format of Haiku
i might just implode

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Zruam, keep in mind that if you're the curious type (and most multiboxers are) that you may find a way of doing things on your own that's nifty/novel and impress the rest of us. Don't sell yourself short. ;)

[Gurblash]

okay back on topic


5 Palys? 4 Arms/Fury warriors and a Holy Paly? dumb idea or hmm...

Dumb imo. To much micromanagment on movement for me.

[ImaHealer]

I'm not sure what's more annoying, wall of text or e.e.cummings-style.

if he starts posting
in the format of Haiku
i might just implode

Are you just hanging around Looking for something to complain about? or is it a way of life for you to attempt to Flame, troll, etc? im sure if I type all in a true wall of text that will give you something else to complain about. If it makes you happy and go away ill start typing in long drawn out lines of text that have no end and no punctuation and just wrap around. I guess I should just let this pass due to All of the so very very helpful people besides you that have posted so far.

[ImaHealer]

okay back on topic


5 Palys? 4 Arms/Fury warriors and a Holy Paly? dumb idea or hmm...

Dumb imo. To much micromanagment on movement for me.

Thank you!

A Truly and honest reply with a qualifier to why is exactly the type
of information I was looking for.
and to be honest it IS so much micromanagement on movement I agree
but even if it stops working for me I am learning allot about movement
in Multi-boxing from the experience.

[Eteocles]

Zruam chill the haiku one was a joke :P And what, my posts saying it was alot of micromanagement and totally up to you and what you like didn't count as a direct response? We can give you opinions sure but we're not playing for you, only you know what's fun to you :p Some people LOVE micromanagement like that. I love min/maxing everything(mostly the planning part, not the execution); I Also love arguing but that's another thread ;)

[voodoogriff]

While it would be alot of Micromanagement, if you're that kind of person (like I tend to be sometimes) a Prot Pally, Retx3, Resto Shaman (mmmmm WF SPAM) would be dead sexy

[Khazrael]

While WF sounds good, I believe most of a ret pally's damage actually comes from spell damage, not white hits does it not? Would wrath of air not be a better option? You could even make them a semi-holy spec to try and max out your spell damage for some mad holy dmg.

[Shaitan256]

It comes From strength and this stuff... Thats why SotC is based on Wpn Dmg

[ImaHealer]

my posts saying it was alot of micromanagement and totally up to you and what you like didn't count as a direct response?

Eteocles: umm oops sorry you have been very helpful, and even attempting to defuse some of the exocentric encounters :-) Thank you.

I have been working at finding what I like to play MB wise
I like, in the solo relm, the Holy Paly for Raiding and the
Combat Swords Rogue for PvE...

having done the multi account with 2 computer thing for a
long time, this having 5 accounts is so new I have yet to find
exactly what I like...

so each attempt "lucky I have enough open spaces toon wise to
experiment with" at a different group is enlightening in a
different way with each group.

even this thread has been so very informative I can't wait to
get back to experimenting.

[voodoogriff]

While WF sounds good, I believe most of a ret pally's damage actually comes from spell damage, not white hits does it not? Would wrath of air not be a better option? You could even make them a semi-holy spec to try and max out your spell damage for some mad holy dmg.Actually a vast majority of Ret Paladin Damage comes from White Melee (lol my brother and fiancee both have Ret Paladin mains). The next highest is Crusader Strike (still considered melee but due to being instant has no effect on WF) and then Judgement and Seal of Command. Wrath of Air would, however, assist the tank in aggro (which he might need with 3 ret paladins throwing WF around) in which case you could turn to Totem Twisting.

[Shaitan256]

The tank gets the WF as well. , ok it's not a huge buff like with a 2handed wpn, but it counts, and with Revenge(?)(extra weapon swing talent) is also nice, and Both can be on the Same attack, wich means for this attack tripple aggro.

[voodoogriff]

The tank gets the WF as well. , ok it's not a huge buff like with a 2handed wpn, but it counts, and with Revenge(?)(extra weapon swing talent) is also nice, and Both can be on the Same attack, wich means for this attack tripple aggro.And if you add in a seal it's even better, it's really cool seeing WF + Reckoning and SoR proc is hot

[Shaitan256]

Yeah, Seal of light too ;) I'm in SM right no with my first PvE crew and it's more than hot, maybe I need only a Renew and may Priest is going unemployed ;), It's more than awesome and with consecration you'll get enough aggro.

[Shaitan256]

WF don't has a hidden Cooldown, has A ppm hasn't it? Because it proccs quite often right after another. A cooldown is something for me like, can't procc in a duration of X secs after the other.

I guess it's better for Warrior for threat generation, because it's fire dmg, and is don't Improved with Righteous Fury. It's normal Firedmg ... and not enough to hold anything at your tank, maybe if you only have a Tank (as melee) , and for Short fights yes, but in long fights I guess WF is the better choice.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Fur is correct. WF has a hidden 3-second cooldown where it cannot proc again. This is why the highest DPS for DW depends on how fast your offhand weapon is. ;)

[Shaitan256]

Oh i didn't knew this, thanks, thought it's like Crusader or something ;) I guess I should read more about it on Wowwiki ^^ Counts that only for the WF-Totem? or does it count for Weapon enchant too?

But I thought, it was Proccing 2 times after another. Seems like was to Confusing because the Talent Procced ;) Hm, a Main hand with 3,0 Speed would be great than xD

[Tdog]

@my fellow multiboxers.....sigh...... :cursing:

DOGS OF WAR: A Melee Multi-boxing experiement ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=57395=dogs+of+war#post57395')

For removing the micromanagement of positioning your melee alts use /follow at the end of some if not all your melee macros. With this method I can control my melee characters very fluidly and have a feeling of total mobility.

To remove "Facing wrong direction" error messages it will require some practice on your part on using your main to get them to face the correct direction. It will be a bit tedious at first and you will certainly take longer to get use to it than you would a caster team but with a bit of practice and patience it will get to the point where you react w/o evening thinking about it.



5 Paladins-

In theory this is a great set-up option, it really is.

Pros:

BoSacnt - Tank
BoK - DPS 1
Imp. BoM - DPS 2
BoSalv/BoL - DPS 3
Imp. BoW - Healer

Imp. Concentration Aura - Tank
Imp. Sanctity Aura - DPS 1
Imp. Retribution Aura - DPS 2 (Yes you heard me right you don't need all 3 ret pallies to have imp sanct.)
Imp. Devotion Aura - DPS 3 (Yes again you hear me right, you don't need redoubt when you don't even have a shield or imp sant aura on this ret pally)
Resistance Aura - Healer (Which ever you need most atm)

JoW - Tank
JoL- DPS 1
Imp. JoCru - DPS 2
JoJ - DPS 3 (If you feel the need to use it for runners)

JoR - Tank/Healer
JoComm/JoBlo - DPS (Depending on faction and situation)

-All specs use the same basic mechanics of the judge/seal system.
-Easier to macro and time abilities with 5 of the same class.
-5xBoP/BoSac/Divine Shield/Divine Intervention/Healing/Resurrection. This is one very durable group if played correctly.
-Great Synergy. All group buffs are directly something each character in the party will benefit greatly from.

-Situationally 5x Paladins will have extra dps and synergy vs. Undead/Demons.

Cons:
-All specs are greatly gear dependent. Most notably Retribution spec especially post level 40. This isn't going to matter too much in Azeroth but once you hit outlands you will began to see what I'm talking about.
-Related to gear dependency, Retribution dps is quite low till well-geared especially in the higher levels. Fortunately however again this is a durable group and can last awhile.
-Lack of snares and interrupts. JoJ is not a snare and HoJ is a stun not an interrupt. While these abilities can serve useful in some stituations for snares and interrupts, In heroics they just aren't going to cut it as most mobs are immune in Heroics and certainly all Bosses are. Blood Elves do have the advantage here with their racial abiltiy Arcane Torrent. With a rotation of this ability you could effectively lock out an entire pull for several seconds from casting spells. (Screw Blizzard and their love of Horde :P )


There are probably a few more pros and cons and other notes I could add in but as I'm actually trying to play atm and was just coming in the forums to see what was up I wasn't really planning on writing this up :) However this and the link to my melee experiment write-up on the top should hopefully help you get started and onto a much better idea of what you want to do and how to do it.

P.S. Fursphere is actually a great guy but has been getting rather heated up about the topic of repetitive posts and the posting of them in the incorrect forums. Do as you like but to completely ignore him you would be missing out on some quality info. Genernal forums are more for the intermmeidate to advance questions and topics once you already have your team going. Start up and group make-up questions are more for the New Multiboxer and Support forums. Either way GL on your melee team and keep us updated if you stick with it :)

[Moxy]

For the record on the flaming in this thread- I have no problem w/ Fur. If you are starting out on something, a bit of humility goes a long way- not flaming those who have been here and contributed for a loooong time. Esp when the flaming is just a refusal to admit there could have been something irking in your OP.

As an aside- I think I'm gonna try Shaman 4x Arms Warrior for fun ... sometime after other killer combos I've been wanting to box. >)

[voodoogriff]

For the record, Windfury Weapon (Shaman Enhancement to Weapon) has a 3 second proc cooldown. Windfury Totem (Totem based buff to party weapons) doesn't.

[Shaitan256]

Ah then I missed something and understand it wrong. Thank you. Thought the WF CD was for the Totem.

Edit:
Guess a 1,5 / 1,6 Offhand would be nice? but the Speed increase after crit sould make this wrong, so about 2,20 or something would be the best then?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I'll jump in here and relate a bit of my experience 5-boxing DW melee shammies up through 49.

Good things:
Zero downtime unless fighting multi-elite pulls. Don't have to move to loot. No pets or other junk to worry about. Can still autoattack for good dmg when OOM. Eat casters for lunch. Eat rogues for lunch, clean teeth with tiny daggers and wipe mouth when done with used Cloak of Shadows. Did I mention killing rogues with this group is fun? It is. No really. Self-rez + regular rez + heals means even when things go bad, they never go THAT bad.Bad things:
Repair costs. Melee means you can't burn down those really hard-hitting elites before they get to you. No real tank (and even if you had one they'd have a hard time keeping aggro) Mobs that move around a lot can be frustrating. The satyr boss in Maraudon Purple side is a prime example. You can be kited by mobs and players pretty easily. Your DPS is directly related to how good your weapons (primary) and other gear (secondary) are. Very little CC available. If your melee dmg isn't enough, you usually can't burst with instants enough to make up the difference on elites or players where it would matter.
Overall, though, I'm highly impressed with their ability to run most instances and quest like no tomorrow. The princess in Maraudon was the only thing that's given me trouble so far aside from the occasional bored 70.

[Shaitan256]

Due to the facts that I can't test it by myself, I can't say it know, but I'm gonna test it.

I said before that maybe the FT is for short Fights the Better choise, and for longer fights the one to begin with, then probably change? So you just get a high "safe" amount of threat, that's not depending on luck. It's the same with the Seal for Ally Palas, It's a DoT that has a Proccchance also, so start with Righteous to get "safe" aggro and then switch to this procc seal.

I read about it somewhere ;) But can't say something true, gonna test it some time ;)

[ImaHealer]

Thank you to all who gave advice and info
it is all very much appreciated.


<--- Name Change Found me old Sig from the Old Ultima Online Days!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Regarding threat generation on pallies, consider that windfury scales with gear/spelldamage/talents on the pally, where flametongue does not.

[Shaitan256]

The only seal I normally use is wisdom... prot pallies have horrible mana problems.QFT, But never got aggro Problems either.



Regarding threat generation on pallies, consider that windfury scales with gear/spelldamage/talents on the pally, where flametongue does not.That's true, but you could start with FT then get WF, asked one of my Ex-Guildies, he means they were doing it with him as shaman and a Warrior, and that, better so the DD's can begin earlier, don't know if it counts so much but if it works, then you can begin totem twisting. FT is eventually better for Heavy armored enemies? ok when they are not fire resistent ;)

[Tdog]

I'll jump in here and relate a bit of my experience 5-boxing DW melee shammies up through 49.

Good things:
Zero downtime unless fighting multi-elite pulls. Whirlwind+ Cleave+ Sweeping Strikes :D
Don't have to move to loot. No pets or other junk to worry about. Can still autoattack for good dmg when OOM. Rage > Mana
Eat casters for lunch. Dit-freaking-to !!!
Eat rogues for lunch, clean teeth with tiny daggers and wipe mouth when done with used Cloak of Shadows. Did I mention killing rogues with this group is fun? It is. No really. Self-rez + regular rez + heals means even when things go bad, they never go THAT bad. Lucky bastard :( Although having my one shaman does help.
Bad things:
Repair costs. Melee means you can't burn down those really hard-hitting elites before they get to you. No real tank (and even if you had one they'd have a hard time keeping aggro) Meh... you can work around that
Mobs that move around a lot can be frustrating. The satyr boss in Maraudon Purple side is a prime example. Yea they can but with a bit of practice it's not too bad. Fortunately there are only a few mobs that REALLY move around alot.
You can be kited by mobs and players pretty easily. Intercept/hamstring helps a bit but yea it can be a pain with my warriors too.
Your DPS is directly related to how good your weapons (primary) and other gear (secondary) are. Main Hand wep is the most important dps increasing for melee classes. Even with a great set of gear if you have a crappy MH you'll severely lack on DPS.
Very little CC available. If your melee dmg isn't enough, you usually can't burst with instants enough to make up the difference on elites or players where it would matter.
Overall, though, I'm highly impressed with their ability to run most instances and quest like no tomorrow. The princess in Maraudon was the only thing that's given me trouble so far aside from the occasional bored 70.

@OP, While this is a POV from specifically 5x Enhancement Shamans there is quite a few good things to consider in Ugh's post no matter what team make-up you go with.

[ImaHealer]

I am almost tempted to toss a shaman into the mix to see
how this works out.

[Shaitan256]

I'm currently running this but don't have a Windfury totem yet, 3 Pally + 1 Shaman, I guess i should get a 5th, maybe Rogue(would be heavy to get at it when I'm doing damage with the Pallys-.- or Enhancementshaman would be easier I guess, only Totems and 2 /3 extra buttons, I have already a shaman could do Totems on same Buttons, so no really Problems there)

Wowwiki says WF has only GCD, can be Procced with Stormstrike (if dualwielding) twice at once. (only for Shaman Weapon Enchant not totems)

So Totems only affect Mainhand and has no Cooldown for WF Totem.

The shaman would be the Best choice to complete a Melee grp, are you going to specc one of your pallies to Tankadin? I'm between 1 Tankadin and 2 Ret or 3 Rets, When WotLK starts I'm adding a Tankknight if it won't work then he's going to be DD ;)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

FT is eventually better for Heavy armored enemies? ok when they are not fire resistent ;) For paladins, no. Paladin threat is mostly generated through holy damage, which won't be affected by armor anyway, and since WF procs can trigger seals/judgements... ;) (except in some rare circumstance I've managed to overlook)

[Shaitan256]

For paladins, no. Paladin threat is mostly generated through holy damage, which won't be affected by armor anyway, and since WF procs can trigger seals/judgements... ;) (except in some rare circumstance I've managed to overlook)Ah forgot about the seals. ;) If this Theorycrafting is getting too deep, then I'm going to forget some things or putting them aside.

[Tdog]

You will be dropping the WF anyways for your 3 ret paladins. Don't really need to theorycraft this all out.

[Shaitan256]

Even if I make 1 to tankadin? Could get some Problems with tanking, If the Retris (sounds a bit weird if you say rets) going to be able to do enough Dmg, gonna test it. Hope soon enough. But the synergy is enormous I guess, and with a second Shaman, hell yeah ^^

And this wasn't only for me, Imahealer could get some clues out of it too, and every other who wants to try it as well ;)

[Tdog]

Even if I make 1 to tankadin? Could get some Problems with tanking, If the Retris (sounds a bit weird if you say rets) going to be able to do enough Dmg, gonna test it. Hope soon enough. But the synergy is enormous I guess, and with a second Shaman, hell yeah ^^

And this wasn't only for me, Imahealer could get some clues out of it too, and every other who wants to try it as well ;)I wouldn't be worried about your prot pally holding aggro. I raided for the last 6 months prior to multiboxing as a ret paladin in a Illidan farming guild. Even w/o the prot pallies having a constant WF and Sanct aura on them and me having them both, being as I was in the melee group, they still held aggro off me just fine. In this scenario your prot pally will have a constant Sanct aura and a constant WF. He shouldn't have any issues whatsoever. But that's my personal experience anyways. /shurg

[voodoogriff]

Yeah between +12% Damage from Sanctity Aura and WF (which do proc Seals mmmm tasty) you could take 1h Weapon Specialization and get another 5% damage or get Reckoning (lolReckbomb)

A nice thing about having a Prot Paladin and 3 Ret Paladins, you really only need to have an assist macro and then you can bind your Seal/Judgement keys to the same keys on your tank and clones (no real need for macros with melee). Add in Bless of Sanctuary, Retribution Aura and a Shield spike, your tank is probably going to have quite an easy time with aggro.

And with a shaman in the party, you're also going to have Mana Spring totem which is nice for Prot Pallies.

BTW...this thread has caused me to add a 4 Paladin + 1 Resto Shaman group to my list (Belf for the Arcane Torrent for casters) of groups to try out.

Now that I think about it, you could tie in alot of things using 4 paladins.

Seals, Judgements, Crusaders Strike with either Holy Shield or Consecrate (you'd lose 2 seconds on CruStrike but meh).

[Shaitan256]

Reckoning was the Translation for it ;)

Yeah thats evil, if Both Procs ;) 3 strikes @ once + Seal of Light, that's how I run on lvl 35 SM Cath ^^ it doesn't matter if I don't do cause my healer is well geared. but it's fun heal myself against up to 3 Mobs without Problems. (did it on my 5 man setup, that's how I got the Idea for that, and of course because everyone doing Shaman- I'm going Pala ;) )

The Ret's getting the 12% too and the WF, and they have 2handed weapons. Hope Righteous Fury is gives enough aggro to hold it ;) But I'm sure it's going to work.

Edit:
Hm wouldn't be the Best 3 Paladin's 2 Shamans, 1 Enhancement 1 Resto? 2nd totemline and the Extra AP for everyone? or is 4 Pally 1 Shaman better? I mean too much Pallies don't scale so much do they? (compared to 3)

[voodoogriff]

Most of the damage done by Ret Paladins is physical, so they'd be getting +2%. And a 3 Paladin/2 Shaman group would have the advantage of also having Wrath of Air (for aggro for the Paladin), Healing Stream from the Resto and Mana Spring from the Enh.

Because I'm bored, I threw together some talent trees for a 4 Paladin set up with 1 Prot, 3 Ret.

Imp Devotion Aura, Imp Might (3 Extra Points)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sEZxhZE0ct0chVIot

Imp Sanct Aura, Imp Seal of the Crusader (2 Extra Points)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZxhZVfct0cuiIot

Imp Retribution Aura and Blessing of Kings(3 Extra Points)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZxhZVfct0fhVIot

Classic Prot Paladin Build
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhtIx0dMgqtVbx

Prot Paladin without extra Parry, but with Reckoning
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZVhtIx0dggqtVb

If you were going 5 paladins, the 5th would be holy, giving you Improved Wisdom and Concentration Aura.

[Shaitan256]

I made some as well, to the Fact that I have only 3 Pallies I made them so everyone can Have Imp Wisdom +SoK , Sanctuary for tank + Imp Might for the 2 Retributions, also Every Aura (except Devotion because only ~400 Armor aren't worth 5 Points) Retribution and (the Holy aura, don't know the name in the Moment, Sanctity was it?) Your Builds are looking good, but My Tank was with 5 Parry and with Reckoning, but I left the Imp Judgement and the + hit away, I don't know what's better, so I guessed "avoidance" was the Better choice, ok if you can't hit you can't get aggro , hm maybe I should get some Informations through Forum's and Wowwiki or something ;)

Ah yes for my Shaman I have the Blessings BoK, Imp BoW, "Bo30%aggroreduce" , altered a bit with different classes, MAybe a rogue or something, but I kept the Idea of this setup, And I Hope the DK will fit in it too, that would be Awesome.

I've also specced the Imp devotion aura on my Retris to get to Kings I'm going to look for them and edit them here.

1 ('http://www.wow-europe.com/de/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?tal=000000000000000000000500513350002 1525215510500500000000000000000')
2 ('http://www.wow-europe.com/de/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?tal=500000000000000000005030210000000 0000000005523005100003125331051')
3 ('http://www.wow-europe.com/de/info/basics/talents/paladin/talents.html?tal=550001221200000000000000000000000 0000000000523015100233005331051')
I'm sory these are german, but the Icons are the same, I guess there's no Problem.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Back on topic...

After thinking some more about this, Zruam, my general thoughts are as follows:
Warriors are OK but a fair portion of their rage generation is done from taking damage, and since only one will be getting hit at any given time (aside from larger pulls) I'd think they would have rage issues. 5 pallies have a TON of synergy. Consider that the following things can be active on everyone simultaneously: Sanctity aura Concentration aura
Armor aura Retribution aura A resist aura
OR Shadow resist aura
Fire resist aura Frost resist aura Armor aura Retribution aura
AND Judgement of wisdom Judgement of light Judgement of crusader Judgement of justice 5x consecrates Blessing of light Blessing of might Blessing of sanctuary Blessing of wisdom Blessing of kings Seal of Light/righteousness/etc., whatever is needed 5x targeted, long-duration stun on round-robin
And let us not forget mount speed aura. :love: Gawd I'm addicted to that thing. 4 wars + holy pally isn't optimal IMO because you lose 20% of your damage output right off the bat. They're already in plate so they won't be taking that much damage anyway. 4 wars + shammy would be pretty neat due to totems/windfury/ and wipe prevention. 4 pallies + war would be OK because you'd have most of the seal/aura/blessing synergy and be able to keep the warrior healed easily/cheaply and constantly full of rage. 4 pallies + enhance shammy would be about as good as 5 pallies with the addition of nature resist aura, windfury/flametongue/grounding/tremor, a double-armor aura (stoneskin+devotion) and wipe prevention.
So, given my druthers, I think I'd do all 5 as pallies or 4 pallies and an enhancement shammy over the other choices. Hardest decision for me would be the choice of making the 5th another pally or a shammy.

I've been giving some thought to doing this but they'll have to wait for my hunters and druids. ;)

[edit] Ebolah has been doing a pally group on the side for a while. Should ask him how that's going. ;)

[Shaitan256]

4 wars + holy pally isn't optimal IMO because you lose 20% of your damage output right off the bat. They're already in plate so they won't be taking that much damage anyway. 4 wars + shammy would be pretty neat due to totems/windfury/ and wipe prevention. 4 pallies + war would be OK because you'd have most of the seal/aura/blessing synergy and be able to keep the warrior healed easily/cheaply and constantly full of rage. 4 pallies + enhance shammy would be about as good as 5 pallies with the addition of nature resist aura, windfury/flametongue/grounding/tremor, a double-armor aura (stoneskin+devotion) and wipe prevention.Wouldn't 2 shamies be the Better choice1 Enhancement + Resto?, ok I don't know what you would be after with this Crews / If you start one of these. Wouldn't it be a greater Bonus for the Group? And there aren't so much extra buttons to set, I guess it would be better, and you don't really need the devotion aura when you're needing a Resi aura, you could your tank to resi aura, because you don't realy need the Devotion against spells ;)

The more and More I write about the 2nd Shaman the more I wanna start with a 2nd ;)

Hm I guess it wouldn't be able to Run Heroics such a Crew, would it?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

One thing I've learned. If you're not doing hard elites, losing that extra 20-40% DPS is a lose-lose proposition. This is one of the reasons why 5-shammy groups do so well in PVP.

[Shaitan256]

One thing I've learned. If you're not doing hard elites, losing that extra 20-40% DPS is a lose-lose proposition. This is one of the reasons why 5-shammy groups do so well in PVP.I'm so sorry, but even if I translate this I can't get the clue how it's refered to my question, if it would be possible to get heroics with it.

That's How I understand it, I guess I'm in the wrong corner of my brain, if there exists one(after this I'm not really sure): ;)
So you mean I could beat not "hard" elite's with it, so I guess you mean, If I'm well geared, like full Blue+ some Crafted Epics/a bit PvP Honor/Arena Gear, I could run little Heroics like The 2 in Hellfire? Is it that what you mean? Then it was quite easy, but then you say something like lose 20-40% DPS, I mean, change a Paladin into a Shaman is a loss of 20-40%?
The only thing what I'm losing is 1 Paladin, and place 1 Enhanceman. So he won't get 10% holy dmg+ , that's all, and all other Seals and Blessings/Auras (with 3 you get everything you need for DPSing can see on my builds I posted before, they're not the best builds but they work as a team I guess) You get the AP(for Whole GRP) buff after a Crit with Shaman, You get the Second Totem Line Stoneskin + Strength of Earth, Windfury + Wrath of Air, and so on. Another 2 Elemental. Can't see a loss their, only a win.

My head hurts(Edit: haha, oh my , didn't noticed what I was writing, please don't take it too serious), It's 4:40 AM here and I haven't slept, and I have to go in a few hours ;) so no Time to sleep , haha

Hope you understand what I'm asking for.

Argh, don't know how it's called so, do you know some kind of Brainlightning or something?(it's some kind of you get the trick behind something suddenly) Translator didn't get it. Ahh, just got one.
So you thought I meant my 4man crew? that'S why you meant this 20-40% loss of DPS? I guess my english is giving up extremely, hope it's not like old egyptian, with crows and catsn stuff.
Before I ran heroics I would start a 5th Character of course, I guess I should start a fifth ;)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Wouldn't 2 shamies be the Better choice1 Enhancement + Resto?, That's what I was referring to. Dropping a DPS character for a healer is fine in PVE but in PVP you lose 20-25% DPS minimum immediately, which is 3-8k damage in the first 3-5 seconds of any battle. I've found that to be a big problem against well-geared opponents like warriors with 13k health.

I guess my english is giving up extremely, hope it's not like old egyptian, with crows and catsn stuff. LOL @ hieroglyphics. :D

[Shaitan256]

LOL @ hieroglyphics. :D^^Thought it could be called different in english. But you understood ;)

Ah you thought about PvP, hehe, I was only talking about PvE, Yeah for PvP I would Take 3/4Pallies (Retribution) rest Shamans(enhancement) I guess I try Pvp with them, but the Fact that they stop following is annoying , can't follow the enemy like this, but you get 1/2 FShock and 3/4 HoJ then 3/4 SotC, and Boom ;) I guess I try it with alternative Movement keys like wasd, but a few buttons, more on the left site of my Keboard like IJKL or something, and try to catch up with enemies fleeing. Gonna smash 'em all, with my Holy Fury haha.

Now your sentences make sense to me, thanks ;)

[ImaHealer]

Update on my attempt at the 5xPaly thingy
attained lvl 6 with a team of 5x Dwarven Palys
going to try for lvl 10 with them here and there
but.

1 word.... Ouch
I think, that once I get a much better understanding
of movement with 5 toons this will be much easier
working on movement and placement of followers
is critical when you don't have Consecration yet lol

I will be placing them on standby for a while until I
get a bit more experience with movement and all
but to be perfectly honest I see a real potential at
higher lvls for this team :-)

Thanks to everyone who gave input!

[ImaHealer]

5 boxing melee 101:

Enable "attack on assist" in the options menu.

Write this macro:

/follow <main>
/assist <main>

Bind it to a key (I use "F")

With alts following, run main THROUGH mob to be attacking, then spin 180 degrees to attack. Alts will be in melee range now. Hit the macro described above, and alts will start whacking away at mob being attacked. Then use your seals/judgments as you see fit, but this is how to get them all in melee range with ease.

Also, if the mob moves, just spam the macro while moving around with main (I move backwards with main, so alts are always in melee range). Its not easy, but do-able.

Yep, for the most part that's what I have been doing it works fine...

I also have a key set that makes the alts step back if they have to and it helps quite a bit.
IF I can keep myself from going insane long enough to get consecration! lol I think that would
help quite a bit.

Id say about 20% of the time 1 or 2 of my alts seem to be turned in a wrong directions
Hitting the follow key and they turn towards me, hit step back key and they all fat dumb
And happy again.

Though lvling lowbie palys is kinda maddening lol
But im sure the returns latter on in lvls will be worth it

[Catamer]

Pressing the search button yeilded:

5 Pally boxing crazy? ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=30498&highlight=5+pallys#post30498\')

1 Shammy 4 Warriors ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=666&highlight=4+warriors')

learn2search

Deathknights are not available yet. So how the hell is anyone going to know how they're work?



maybe some of the harsh guys should search up the "Are we too harsh" thread... the answer is definately YES

[Boylston]

maybe some of the harsh guys should search up the "Are we too harsh" thread... the answer is definately YES

What I see in this thread is another lazy newbie who theorycrafted a bizarre combination, solicited vague and non-specific input without doing much research, and then gave up on the multiboxing while the characters were Level 6.

[ImaHealer]

maybe some of the harsh guys should search up the "Are we too harsh" thread... the answer is definately YES
Ok how about we try to get over the Misunderstandings in the beginning of my post here and move on... I know I have
it was a bad day for many, and there has been so much good information in this thread we can just go
ehh whatever and move on thanks k :-)


“This is for every one that decides to just read the first couple of lines in this post and make an assumption”

I want all to know I take nothing personally, and have moved on to having a huge amount of fun trying
New and different combinations of toons…

[ImaHealer]

Oky Doky,

Welp I decided to dump the Dwarves... *sigh* love playing a dwarf but
the Racials of the Humanzies far out way the disadvantage of being tall!

Boosting Rocks! Holy Cow... I pulled a lvl 62 hunter behind 2 newbie
Humanzie Paladins macroed

/assist <main toons name>
/petattack

on my main toon and wow lvl 1 to lvl 7 in under 1.5 hours very very k00l
power boosting the 2 newbie palys to meet up with my other 3 palys at lvl 31
then we will see how great a 5xPaly team is! "getting em to 31 cuz me already
have 3 lvl 31 palys ready for friends lol

also going to work on getting a complete understanding of the "Focus" thing
or as close as I can to it ;-)

[ImaHealer]

maybe some of the harsh guys should search up the "Are we too harsh" thread... the answer is definately YES

What I see in this thread is another lazy newbie who theorycrafted a bizarre combination, solicited vague and non-specific input without doing much research, and then gave up on the multiboxing while the characters were Level 6.

LOL Wha?

Did we hit the Quote button for the wrong one? lol

I would love to say I am above sinking to your lvl but, LOL, I just can't.

It seems to me That you Unable to let things go or are you just so
"loser oriented" that everything seems to impact you personally?

Or wait wait I know...

you were slapped around so much when you were new that you feel
the extreme need to do it to someone else to make yourself feel better
about your umm lameness? <- is that even a word? LoL

Listen. GOi and move on I have and I am still, IMO, a newbie to MB

By the way if ya don’t know Everyone else seems to have gotten over it
And been very helpful with tons of information.
Heck even Fursphere has turned out to be k00l, with some good information
And help.

It is time for you to GOi =get over it and move on
Thanks for playing kbie

[ImaHealer]

maybe some of the harsh guys should search up the "Are we too harsh" thread... the answer is definately YES

What I see in this thread is another lazy newbie who theorycrafted a bizarre combination, solicited vague and non-specific input without doing much research, and then gave up on the multiboxing while the characters were Level 6.

Thanks Boylston. I was going to drop the hammer on this guy... but was able to contol myself. :)

I guess I was wrong.....

[Sanctume]

Might as well play mixed melee: add Prot Pally, Arms Warrior, Mace Rogue :)

[ImaHealer]

Might as well play mixed melee: add Prot Pally, Arms Warrior, Mace Rogue :)
To be perfectly honest with ya I am leaning towards at least trying more melee set ups
I am going to keep working on the 5x Paladin thing for a while until I am comfortable
with the set up I also really think a group of 5xRogues would be kinda fun even just
to try for a few lvls

Edit: hmm 5x Stunlock mace rogues hmm lol

[Boylston]

you were slapped around so much when you were new that you feel
the extreme need to do it to someone else to make yourself feel better
about your umm lameness? <- is that even a word? LoL When I was new, I spent so much time reading, searching, and absorbing the currently available knowledge that I was able to learn much without having to ask to be spoonfed. I was able to ask for the things I needed help with in a clear/concise manner and the discussions in those threads were informative to a wide variety of people (who could then later find the threads by searching or reading).

I would love to say I am above sinking to your lvl but, LOL, I just can't.If you somehow managed to meet me on my level, it would not be because you're sinking...

also going to work on getting a complete understanding of the "Focus" thing
or as close as I can to it ;-)Good plan! I recommend searching the internet and these forums before starting a new "need help with focus plz" message.

To be perfectly honest with ya I am leaning towards at least trying more melee set ups
I am going to keep working on the 5x Paladin thing for a while until I am comfortable
with the set up I also really think a group of 5xRogues would be kinda fun even just
to try for a few lvlsI'd recommend figuring out focus first.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

It seems to me That you Unable to let things go or are you just so
"loser oriented" that everything seems to impact you personally?

Or wait wait I know...

you were slapped around so much when you were new that you feel
the extreme need to do it to someone else to make yourself feel better
about your umm lameness? <- is that even a word? LoLOK, look. Just for future reference, you'll find that there are some of us that just post (spew?) theorycraft wherever (sometimes even when unsolicited) and some of us are very much in favor of people using the original resources that already explain the things you're asking about. If someone tells you "you're being stupid, the info is already there," I would suggest you give them the benefit of the doubt, especially when they have a team of 70s under their belt. Also, calling people names instead of first verifying what they're saying is true won't exactly endear you to the community.

Good luck in your efforts.

[ImaHealer]

It seems to me That you Unable to let things go or are you just so
"loser oriented" that everything seems to impact you personally?

Or wait wait I know...

you were slapped around so much when you were new that you feel
the extreme need to do it to someone else to make yourself feel better
about your umm lameness? <- is that even a word? LoLOK, look. Just for future reference, you'll find that there are some of us that just post (spew?) theorycraft wherever (sometimes even when unsolicited) and some of us are very much in favor of people using the original resources that already explain the things you're asking about. If someone tells you "you're being stupid, the info is already there," I would suggest you give them the benefit of the doubt, especially when they have a team of 70s under their belt. Also, calling people names instead of first verifying what they're saying is true won't exactly endear you to the community.

Good luck in your efforts.

Actually I agree with you in the spirit of this..
what I find offensive and seem to have a hard
time taking my own advice, is posting to
People who just flat out seem to have a need to
flame. People who Know/think they are better than
the poster and forget that everyone
makes mistakes from time to time. I posted in this
thread, in ignorance, in the wrong area... I took
the flaming and Unfortunately returned in kind...
I have not posted anymore newbie stuff in the
General forms "learned my lesson"...

I have been trying hard to give back the information
I have gleaned from my trial and errors in this thread

I do apologize for the Name calling… that was immature
And just out of line on my part. I get worked up
And some times hit enter before my brain says hay
Grow up lol.

I do think that everyone knows that you can get more
Bees with honey than with vinegar though..
Everyone was new at one time
Everyone makes mistakes from time to time
Not everyone can figure out everything the first time
And the ones that want it for Free end up getting ignored
If we type at them and tell there a foulup they stick
around longer... ignore the continues lazy ones and
they will ether go away or grow up

I am New to Keycloan not new to multi boxing
And I enjoy learning what I don’t know.
So I will keep learning and try to be helpful instead
Of hurtful…

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I'll leave you with this final tidbit. You speak of forgiveness of your mistakes and catching more flies with honey than vinegar. At the risk of coming across as elitist, you should note that the people who've flamed you (and others) have posted valuable feedback in other threads which indicates that, as the questions were very similar, it probably wasn't due to the core content but how the communication affected your presentation. Appreciate that this is a forum made up of folks who've been exploring the boundaries of multiple-account gaming for several years now and may have a more engineering bent to the discussions, which puts the onus on thread starters to formulate their posts with a bit more than "Hey, this looks kinda cool, what do you guys think?" Not trying to dissuade you from asking, just making sure you're aware that you will get some really cool and informative feedback if you only ask the right questions. ;)

Oh, and regarding the honey-vs-vinegar thing, that's been proven false. :P

[Darcla]

aaahhh This topic is still active.



grr... I like ponies... discuss

[ImaHealer]

, and regarding the honey-vs-vinegar thing, that's been proven false. :P

What! *sigh* no wonder all I’m getting is fleas!

and they make the Worst Honey you have ever tasted....