I feel like giving up.

[Diamndzngunz]

I try so hard, I work so hard for what for what I have accomplished, and where am I at? No were.

I watch all these videos of people just starting arenas right when they are 70 in blue pvp gear, not even full glads and they are pulling a solid 1500 - 1600 rating. How is this? I have farmed my ass off to get full glads, full vindicator's I got everything but my trinkets. I walk into a arena and get dropped like nothing. Whats my arena rating every week? 1400. I start a new team weekly. What am I doing wrong? Is it because I have crap for a healer? I TRY to take out DPS first that does not work. Going for the healers is a joke. Can it be because I am on the most messed up Battlegroup (Vengeance) where people at a 1500 rating are in full Vengeful gear?

I get so aggravated when this happens. Makes me want to give up and I am not the type of person to give up. I really don't know what to do anymore.

[Kayley]

Keep at it. Just pay more attention to your losses. Having a good healer helps, but.. it is mostly you (esp at this rating).

This is insanely hard to respond to without insulting, even moreso because you don't know me. - here I go :)

I'm not sure how long you have been doing this for, but more than 10games a week is needed to learn how to react to certain combos.
Enchant your gear, unless armory is lying to me :D
Fraps fights, rewatch. Learn :D if you are still unable to figure out how to correct the losses, post some fights. People here seem nice, they can offer a few pointers.
I messed up a lot when my strategies sucked :D

Welp, my useless posting did nothing :P
GL and don't give up!!

[Diamndzngunz]

I do the 10 games because I get irritated when they are all a loss and don't want to drop below 1400 so I can at least get 300points.
I do have to enchant my gear, but it is not cheap.

I guess the only way is like you said, keep pushing at it, watch learn play more. Thanks.

and I can take criticism so don't worry.

[Kaynin]

I started with 9 losses 1 win the first week. :p And now in the third week, I still screwed up numorous times. I learned to respond quicker to still be able to win.

But that said, I have an amazing healer. He's really good at PvP. That helped me loads against s1/s2 geared people. But s3 is still outta my league. There are many s3 teams on lower rating, altho with the win trading bans this will become less of a problem I expect. So, just hang in there and gear up for next season. Do as much games as possible, really practice response time and strategies. Fraps fights and rewatch them. (helps me loads.)

Still, you should, always go for dps first. But don't be afraid to start on a target that isn't a good first target. Lightning bolt spam even forces the baddest geared s3 lock to go defensive. And that is what you should aim at. Apply constant pressure until a good first target is in dps range, switch, make the kill. Next target. But remember to keep applying pressure. This helped me a lot.

[Kyudo]

Arenas wind me up too...... They have been just so random for me.

One week we were really proud to get a 9-1 record, but that was mainly cos we met teams that were equal geared. Last 2 weeks we've met teams in full S3 or T6 that mow us down. Arenas feel like a constant game of gear catchup for me atm, Season 4 should alleviate this a bit as I have 75k and various marks saved up, but still.

Moan moan, I know it's not all gear, I've made plenty of mistakes that have led to losses too, but for me arenas aren't fun atm, roll on Wotlk and the gear reset, this way I'll start ahead and stay ahead.

[Jorai]

recently, i was in AV on my main and all the talk was about these insane shammies. people were full of awe/fear/hate at the first rock team. people were arguing about reporting you and what multiboxing was. horde were insulting other horde in order to defend the honor of this daring draenei death squad. for 2 games in a row i laughed IRL ... i am sure you got reported...it seems like 5 people every BG have already "talked to a GM and know it's hax" LOL

please keep at it, you rock no pun intended heh heh.

now i don't plan on doing arena with my three warlocks but it would say keep practicing, gear disparity is horrible but soon the new season will be out and might relevel the field slightly...then there’s always the expansion where you can be half an end-game raid in the new set up :}

[Drizzit]

I know what you mean about gear and match up. I have a non box arena team (my rogue and a druid friend). It is all luck on who you get. I am in the 1400 range all the time and we still go against fully s3 geared people. It has come down to it, if we see that they are season 3 we just give up cause they usually mow us down in 2 seconds. Blizzard needs to fix the matching s1 should not be going against s3. One week we won 8 out for 10 games because all the teams had no season gear. this week we went 2 out of 10 because the first 5 games where against the same team s3 warrior and s3 pally... Some how they were able to see us stealth (i can understand the druid cause he is a healer, but my rogue is assination with extra points in stealth and they still saw me a mile away without the seeing stealth buff).

What you can do for one week is just play as many games as you can to get practice (forget about the rating), once you are comfortable drop that arena team and make a new one. If you are making a new one every week, just forget about points and get practice that way you don't have to create on every week, probably do it every other week or something.

[Eteocles]

Welcome to Arenas! Here's your complimentary jar of Lube, trust me, you'll need it, enjoy your rape..err, stay, for gear that only benefits you in the same place you earned it.

[Silly Gooooose]

I would suggest reviewing your losses to see why you lose.

Also, my BG can get quite frustrating also. I kept running into this full S3 team with an enh shaman, ms war, rogue, and a shadow priest. Needless to say, I drop in a second flat.... The best part is they only took 2 points per game... yet we never got any1 else.

Also, when I started, and went from 1500 to 1275, I was playing mostly s2/s3 teams, all of which were good (took a look at me multi boxing, and improvised a good strat.). Plus a few of them had seen MBers before.


Just keep queing, I was the same as you, I was so pissed and ready to give up, and then I played Monday night with a (well geared, all s3 but shoulders) disc priest, and we jumped up to 1500. Not because he was good, but more because I finally got teams that were my level. Same thing tues night at raid time, we got 80% legit teams, that were even fights.

I say just get yourself a better geared healer, and play play play. Ever night, just keep trying.

[Myrm]

I have hit "The Rock Wall" in AV and I say don't give up. We are in a tough battlegroup and I know the Horde fear you in Bg's. When the expac comes it will be a complete gear reset and a totally different story, and until then keep up your hard work. It will pay off.

This is my first post so hello everyone. I play 3 Orc Locks on Mug'thol with felguards. I know totally ridiculous but really fun.

[Catamer]

first, I raced to 70 without doing any pvp at all, i was a pvp virgin and thought I would just jump into arena and win. NOT. you kind of need at least some pvp gear you get from the old fasion pvp like AV,AB,WSG,EYE etc. when you only have +375 spell dmg and your playing people with >1k spell dmg, it's almost like they have 2.5 people for every one of you. I find WSG is easier at level 19 than at level 70 because nobody has S3 gear at 19, you will shine big time as a multiboxer :thumbsup: .

build up the 100 marks in WSG at 19, etc. That way you can buy some good pvp gear at 70 and jump right into arena without being just crushed.

[bugilt]

Try playing arenas at a different time. The pvp trinket helps.

[Silly Gooooose]

Try playing arenas at a different time. The pvp trinket helps.

On a side note, I noticed ellay only uses the pvp trinket on her main shaman, interesting.

[quote='Diamndzngunz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67011#post67011]I watch all these videos of people just starting arenas right when they are 70 in blue pvp gear, not even full glads and they are pulling a solid 1500 - 1600 rating. /quote]

After watching a few PvP videos I felt sorta the same, I remember the recent 4x tauren female shaman movie. I remember he said he was about 1650, and after armory-ing him, I remember being mad that while my stats (other than total HP) were considerably better than his, I was still stuck at 1275.

What Helped me come to terms with how I was doing, compared to how others were doing, is looking at the opposing team. In the last few videos I have seen, the enemy team sucked, and the multi-boxer was wiping the floor with them.
You have to keep in mind, each BG is different. While in said shaman's BG you might still fight kids in frozen shadowweave who are 1650, in my battle ground, you fight 1500 teams with 3-4 full S3 kids helping a friend or 2 get easy points. It's all relative. Yes you should be mad at your battle ground. No you shouldn't think your bad. It all comes down to the enemy team. Hell, if I was 1900, and still fighting teams in S1 / PvE gear, while you were 1400 fighting S3 kids, would you think it was because you suck, or because your BG is hard. :P

The simple answer is blame your BG, not yourself.

[Vyndree]

*hugs*

Videos only LOOK easy.

How can you tell? There's a repair bot in the beginning of my Moroes video if you look carefully -- and that wasn't the only one we had to lay down in Kara. Nobody brags about their losses, and the people eventually have succeeded had to get through those losses same as everyone.

Keep your chin up.

[Bena]

There's 'playing' arenas ... and then there's playing arenas.
When I hit 70 I took my team just to see how bad it was going to be..
yeah.. it was bad! As Etocles said ..here's your complementary
jar of lube (<- that made my lol in RL).



Anyway.. I think there's two groups of people that do them. The
casuals and the pros.. The pros will armory you before the fight,
switch players in teams, use vent, assist train, los you, fake dcs and
everything else under the sun. People take this stuff super
seriously.. I was still in the naive battleground mode when I went
in.



You have accept that you're gonna loose most of the matches at the
begining.. the nature of arenas stack the odds agianst a boxer.. gear
disparity and class makeups play a big role as well. Try to learn from
your losses and enjoy those rare victories cause you just won inspite
of the odds :thumbsup:

[xtobbenx]

Yo mate. I will hit 70 next week and go straight into arena to farm points. And i think that i will try out with a frost mage suporting my shammys rather then a healer..

Basicly my idea is that he will asap run straight into them.. and keep them frozen for as long as he manage, spam some arcain blasts and iceblock before he get killed. While i just stand on max range nuking them down... :D

Maybe you should try that out, might work :D

[Diamndzngunz]

I have hit "The Rock Wall" in AV and I say don't give up. We are in a tough battlegroup and I know the Horde fear you in Bg's. When the expac comes it will be a complete gear reset and a totally different story, and until then keep up your hard work. It will pay off.

This is my first post so hello everyone. I play 3 Orc Locks on Mug'thol with felguards. I know totally ridiculous but really fun.MYRM! You and your warlocks cause me problems ;). Yeah about that expac, it will be a different story when I hit 80 and have the same gear as the rest and just want in and mow people down.


On a side note, I noticed ellay only uses the pvp trinket on her main shaman, interesting.

I think it could be because if they all get feared it's easy to just trinket out of one and drop a tremor totem. Maybe?



Anyway.. I think there's two groups of people that do them. The
casuals and the pros.. The pros will armory you before the fight,
switch players in teams, use vent, assist train, los you, fake dcs and
everything else under the sun. People take this stuff super
seriously.. I was still in the naive battleground mode when I went
in.Yeah I was also viewing the armory and it helped alot, but it has been down for a week now, finally came back up last night.




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Couple Questions, is it not a good idea to use Elemental mastery at the start? Should I rather save it? Until Mid Fight?

and a suggestions brought up to me was..

Round Robin Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness

Toon 1 > Pops Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness > Lightning Bolt
Toon 2 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 3 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 4 > Cast Lightning Bolt

Toon 1 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 2 > Pops Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness > Lightning Bolt
Toon 3 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 4 > Cast Lightning Bolt

Toon 1 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 2 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 3 > Pops Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness > Lightning Bolt
Toon 4 > Cast Lightning Bolt

Toon 1 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 2 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 3 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 4 > Pops Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness > Lightning Bolt

Would that be enough to blow someone up? Or is it still better just to have all do it at the same time,

Elemental Mastery then cast
Nature Swiftness then instance cast
Earth Shock

[Eteocles]

I already see what's wrong...you're wasting EM + NS on Lightning Bolt instead of Chain Lightning. :P You also need to stack up and overkill; all CL on the same cast. Blow your load early and that's one whole char out of the equasion instantly. Mass-Shock the next in line and then try to bolt him; if they mass up on you, fnova totem then magma ifthey stay near, searing if not

[Diamndzngunz]

I get mixed reviews about this.

Some people say wait, some people say use both some people say use one then the other.

I most of the time use EM, then NS then ES. But I guess I will use chain lightning. More dmg

[Eteocles]

Aye...it's best to get one of the fuckers out of the fight asap, 2 if you're lucky, that's less you have to worry about or deal with, and if the fight lasts long enough you'll get a 2nd. Chain lightning also distracts their healers having to heal more than one target + may even dmg or even spook them if they're not expecting it and cause a panic reaction.

Just keep in mind someone has to lose either way...and the way the arenas are now with everyone in the newbie brackets geared like pros(or some even are pros) there's really no fairness or balance; yer gonna get stomped and need that lube I mentioned earlier :p Except for the weapons all the gear is good for is more pvp anyways...and one well timed(or many persistent, varied) fear(s) or persistant rogue(s) will be all it takes to destroy you regardless lol

Just keep the golden rule in mind: If it ain't fun, why do it? Are you paying to be frustrated, or paying to play/enjoy yourself?

[madvlad]

IMHO,

Take a few weeks and don't make a new team, Keep playing. You will drop in the ratings and get to a level of opponents that aren't going to rape you. Play those games and you will actually have time to learn and get your speed up on what, when and who. 10 quick games a week won't do that for you.

It's actually a big jump from BG's to arena. In bg's you learn to fight something with a mind. In arena it has a mind and communicates with others that work as a team, has gear, speed and skill.

If it makes you feel better our 3's team got 2 maned in a warm up skirmish match in seconds. Mage and rogue who were on 2200 teams just playing.

[Silly Gooooose]

Well from 1500-1275 Is only 50 points more a week.

True as a boxer 240g is nothing, but still, is 50 points much either?

[Mosg2]

I too had problems to start with, but I found that there are a few key things that work for me that aren't apparent in videos or really touched on much. Take'em with a grain of salt, as your mileage may vary.

1. I use a Paladin healer. I've found that they are far superior to the other choices. Generally speaking, you're going to win or lose in the first ~15 seconds of an engagement. Either you were able to burn someone down quickly and make it 5v4 or they were able to CC/Outheal you and they killed one of your Shammies. With that in mind, I feel that Paladin best complements this quick-win strategy in that they can bubble immediately and just heal heal heal, plus drop BoP on whoever's getting raped.

2. I don't use the PvP trinket. I use the +DMG Battlemasters and the +63 DMG Alch trinket from Shattered Sun. I've found that I'd rather have the damage than the ability to stop the CC since for my setup it's very hard to individually activate trinkets--Being an all or none thing, you're basically using 4x trinket slots (potentially +200 total damage) to stop one CC. Now, if it's an AE fear that's one thing, but that's what 4x Tremors are for.

3. My totem macro drops all of the following totems. It is staggered on each toon so that I don't get more than 2x Tremor's ticking at the same time: 4x Tremor Totem, 4x Searing Totem, 1x Wrath of Air Totem, 3x Grounding Totem, 2x Poison Cleansing Totem, 2x Mana Spring Totem. I also have one separate button that drops a 4x set of the following totems: Grounding, Searing, Nova.

4. 4x Purge is always my first spell. The difference between a completely debuffed Warrior and a buffed is enough to make the difference between a 2 volley kill and them getting healed/breaking LoS.

5. This is probably the most important thing that I learned over my arena games--It's the tip that easily earned us 100+ increase in rating: Switch targets. Often. Initially don't target the one you want to burn down. Say they've got a Warrior, Mage, and whatever else for dps: Target the Mage until they actually come in and start. As soon as they're committed to an assault, swap to the Warrior. Good teams will already be healing that mage. In the amount of time it takes them to change targets and start a heal you can burn the Warrior down without even giving him the chance to spell reflect.

This continues as the fight progresses. Say they were able to swap and heal--If two volleys doesn't kill someone because of healing then swap to a healer. Continually casting on the same target if they're able to heal through it doesn't get you anywhere--At that point it is only through target switching that you're going to win. Generally, you're going to run out of mana before they will in my experience because you don't have a healing debuff.

Again, this is just my experience and what has worked for me so far.

[Kyudo]

I have hit "The Rock Wall" in AV and I say don't give up. We are in a tough battlegroup and I know the Horde fear you in Bg's. When the expac comes it will be a complete gear reset and a totally different story, and until then keep up your hard work. It will pay off.

This is my first post so hello everyone. I play 3 Orc Locks on Mug'thol with felguards. I know totally ridiculous but really fun.MYRM! You and your warlocks cause me problems ;). Yeah about that expac, it will be a different story when I hit 80 and have the same gear as the rest and just want in and mow people down.


On a side note, I noticed ellay only uses the pvp trinket on her main shaman, interesting.

I think it could be because if they all get feared it's easy to just trinket out of one and drop a tremor totem. Maybe?



Anyway.. I think there's two groups of people that do them. The
casuals and the pros.. The pros will armory you before the fight,
switch players in teams, use vent, assist train, los you, fake dcs and
everything else under the sun. People take this stuff super
seriously.. I was still in the naive battleground mode when I went
in.Yeah I was also viewing the armory and it helped alot, but it has been down for a week now, finally came back up last night.




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Couple Questions, is it not a good idea to use Elemental mastery at the start? Should I rather save it? Until Mid Fight?

and a suggestions brought up to me was..

Round Robin Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness

Toon 1 > Pops Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness > Lightning Bolt
Toon 2 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 3 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 4 > Cast Lightning Bolt

Toon 1 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 2 > Pops Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness > Lightning Bolt
Toon 3 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 4 > Cast Lightning Bolt

Toon 1 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 2 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 3 > Pops Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness > Lightning Bolt
Toon 4 > Cast Lightning Bolt

Toon 1 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 2 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 3 > Cast Lightning Bolt
Toon 4 > Pops Elemental Mastery and Nature Swiftness > Lightning Bolt

Would that be enough to blow someone up? Or is it still better just to have all do it at the same time,

Elemental Mastery then cast
Nature Swiftness then instance cast
Earth ShockThis started about being a moan about arenas... Which I can relate to... however, for AV, no matter what your gear, even if you are 69, with 3+ you should pwn.

My Chain Lightning macros unleashes all hell I can bring, suits me for PvP and PvE

[Budkin]

If you dont pvp well solo then chances are more guys wont help

[Kicksome]

You need to put some enchants on your gear. You're damage is low and you only have that 1 burst trinket. I was at about the same rating as you are with your damage. I bumped my damage up about 50 - 75 per toon and I got my rating up by 100. I'm sure when I bump it up another 50-100 I'll be in the 1700 bracket.

[Diamndzngunz]

Yeah I need to enchant the gear, I heal the spell dmg is great.

As for the solo pvp comment I dont understand what is being said about it. Meaning when I just use 1 toon am I good? That would be a yes, when I played my rogue I kicked ass at PvP.

[Kaynin]

The thing what makes people good at pvp is knowing all classes in the game well to know their weaknesses and also the strong points and learn to counter that swiftly.

Oh, and if it makes you feel better, I did 4 games last night and dropped from 1601 to 1540 :P Was only one team playing and they seemed unbeatable. x_X Made a topic about that too tho, wonder if there's anything I can do vs that combo. :P

[Stabface]

Can I has ur stuffs??

J/K man... stick in there and just work your gear up... thats #1 thing in PVP until you get into the higher brackets. I get beat all the time by mouse-clicking key-turning mouth-breathing no-skill PVPers simply because they have S3 gear and I'm in blues.