Botter Banstick (i.e. Don't Multi-Bot!)

[Vyndree]

Just as an FYI to the community, this is why you need to have a firm understanding of what is, and what is not automation. It looks like there's a possibility that a botter banwave has happened, and that some multiboxers may have been hit by it (legitimately or not, we don't really know).

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440902058&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6441122330&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6441212303&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440902058&sid=1&pageNo=7#135
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440902058&sid=1&pageNo=12#227 (Octopus)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440902058&sid=1&pageNo=13#259
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440902058&sid=1&pageNo=13#261

yep. There are legal ways to multi-box, and there are illegal ways to multi-box. Those who aren't sure they know the difference should probably avoid the whole effort.



Prohibited Software (Botting, Speed/Teleport Hacks, Data Mining, Software Hacking)

World of Warcraft is a persistent online role-playing world where the actions of each player can have a far-reaching effect on numerous other players, whether directly or indirectly. The game is designed to be run by itself, with no supporting software. Any effort to alter or "hack" World of Warcraft will not be tolerated. Any software which allows a player to circumvent the intended use of the game is not permitted. CONSEQUENCES: Any evidence uncovered by Support investigations that the account has been involved in the exploitation of World of Warcraft by running software at the same time as World of Warcraft that enables any of the following behavior may result in immediate account closure, whether or not any of the software's features are actually used on, with, or against the World of Warcraft software:


* Botting (automated gameplay, whether or not a human is present at the computer).
* Speed/teleport hacking (character movement speeds greater than those achievable through normal in-game means, including teleportation that is not the direct and unmodified result of an in-game spell, ability or effect).
* Data mining (gathering of information that is not normally available through the in-game user and/or scripting interfaces).
* Software hacking (manipulating the World of Warcraft client and/or server software or the communication between them in any way).

If you think you've been mistakenly banned (which does happen, sadly), make sure to start e-mailing account administration to get your case reviewed.

Community Service Message:
Do not bot. Do not use automation. Do not use delays in your macros.


There IS a difference between multi-boxing and multi-BOTTING. We do not support multi-botting (that is, running multiple automated bots at the same time) -- which can be as simple as adding a delay in your G15 macro. If the in-game macro system can't do it, you shouldn't do it.


There's some good references in our wiki on GM conversations ('http://dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/GM_Conversations') that helps define automation ('http://dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/GM_Conversations#Defining_Automation'), delays and timers ('http://dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/GM_Conversations#Regarding_Delays_.26_Timers_in_ou t-of-game_Macros'), and 3rd party software/hardware ('http://dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/GM_Conversations#3rd_Party_Software_.2F_Hardware') for those interested.

[Korruptor]

Thanks for the heads up.

[Maz]

Our actions are not targeting multi-boxers. We have stated numerous times that the process itself is perfectly acceptable under present policy, and to that statement we still hold true. Should any automation software be used to assist with this specific style of play, however, we will react, as such programs are expressly against the Terms of Use.

[Khazrael]

While discussion on botting is neither allowed nor condoned in the IRC, every now and again we get a mook that runs in asking about glider or something. After informing them we don't talk about those subjects, I always try to remind people that while multiboxing isn't against the rules, it does draw attention whether you want it or not. Thus if you're doing anything shady (botting, account sharing, etc) you're much more likely to get found out due to the reports caused against you by a perfectly legal action.

No matter what you do there will always be people who think they are above the law in some way though, think they'll never get hit with the ban stick for some reason. More power to blizzard for enforcing their policies though, and I hope any unjust bans get worked out. Always good information Vyndree, thanks.

[razorbax]

The one thing i noted was one guy was banned for using a 3rd party program to launch the wow client, and not Blizzards Launcher. I hope we can get this clarified as we all use Maximizer in one form or another.

[Nifter]

Doubt running wow.exe rather than the launcher would be cause for alarm. Most people have the shortcut on their desktop for simplicity.

Although if they can detect who launched the program, I guess that could be different. In which case I doubt they would care if the program launched the wow.exe or the launcher. The automation will be recorded regardless.

[razorbax]

Doubt running wow.exe rather than the launcher would be cause for alarm. Most people have the shortcut on their desktop for simplicity.Getting Keyclone or Octopus to run wow.exe is what I meant. There was a specific mention of it in one of the treads.

[kllrwlf]

Warden actually has a list that it looks for in-memory.

Would suspect that Warden doesn't care if a different program launched WoW.exe. Warden only cares about the actual program that launched WoW.exe.

For example, if you use Cosmos UI, they have their own launcher. Cosmos' program is not on Warden's list so there's nothing that gets alarmed.

If you use XOX program that Warden is trying to detect because it's on its list, then the alarms get sounded and data gets pushed back to Blizz server about it.

There are a lot of programs that launches WoW.

I wouldn't worry about Keyclone. Blizz knows about it completely, some of their GMs that multi-box probably uses it also. :thumbup:

The ban-wave was against a program that was built for botting.

[Buzzatronic]

Another blue quote from page 26 stating the fact that multi-boxing is not in itself the reason for the bans.


This is not a matter of add-ons or multi-boxing. Not empirically. The only way such may involved is if one specifically (or, I suppose, unknowingly) allowed an automation program to attach itself with either application or process.

[Evol]

Recently I came across a post in an Elitist Jerks thread about using AHK in a way that most definitely is not appropriate (think auto-repeater). As "proof" that the use didn't violate Blizzard policies, they actually linked to a thread on this board of one of Keyclone's in-game conversations with a GM saying the critical thing was that you were at the keyboard. Now, I don't have an account to post to that site and I'm pretty sure these recent bans are unrelated to this issue, but it's got to be pretty clear to everyone here that use of delays in macros/scripts is a bad bad idea no matter whether your at the keyboard or down at the pub.

[Tdog]

The one thing i noted was one guy was banned for using a 3rd party program to launch the wow client, and not Blizzards Launcher. I hope we can get this clarified as we all use Maximizer in one form or another.Considering we have several Screenshots of convo's with GM's on these forums clearing stating that they are fully aware of what Keyclone is and what it does and is a legit program. I doubt they have a problem with maximizer. If I'm not mistaken I could have swore I remember seeing a Blizz rep somewhere stating that they have used Keyclone themselves while multi-boxing.


Recently I came across a post in an Elitist Jerks thread about using AHK in a way that most definitely is not appropriate (think auto-repeater). As "proof" that the use didn't violate Blizzard policies, they actually linked to a thread on this board of one of Keyclone's in-game conversations with a GM saying the critical thing was that you were at the keyboard. Now, I don't have an account to post to that site and I'm pretty sure these recent bans are unrelated to this issue, but it's got to be pretty clear to everyone here that use of delays in macros/scripts is a bad bad idea no matter whether your at the keyboard or down at the pub.Yea it should probably be restated that while automated programs can control your character w/o you at the keyboard, it doesn't mean that even if you are sitting at your keyboard that it is no longer considered automation. If your using programs to control your character without any user input whether your at you keyboard or not, It's Automation!

[Gadzooks]

Wow, this is a HUGE bannination. Someone posted in the "official" CSF thread that over 300,000 accounts closed, and some people are reporting that some people are having all accounts associated with a credit card number are perma banned.

I'm really wondering how many of them are bought accounts. A lot of the people complaining are saying they have multiple accounts...I wonder if Blizzard just kicked the account selling market right in the testicles with an iron clad boot. Sorry for the visual, but it's that serious.

Too many are claiming they only use mods, don't arena...but the WoW account market is HUGE...Bliz may have finally said "Enough!", I've noticed how many CSF threads are by people who admit freely they bought the account, and still want help with issues while admitting they broke the EULA...the common perception is that nobody gets in trouble for buying accounts...

My accounts are fine, thank google. I don't use bots or exploits, and I don't arena, so I knew I was safe, but there's always that chance...We really need to be careful here, so the whiners don't turn n us MORE because they got banned for cheating, but we don't get banned, and they think we cheat.

Oy. Vey. You know they're stocked up on coffee and energy drinks at CD in Irvine tonight! This is as big as the Rust Storm in Diablo II - the gear removal seems to have been the first wave for the kinda naughty players, now they're going after the really bad ones...if there's a third wave....ouch....

[OzPhoenix]

As a Multiboxer, should I now be avoiding Arena? I certainly hope not, as I had planned on forming 5v5 team out of my Shamans.

[razorbax]

As a Multiboxer, should I now be avoiding Arena? I certainly hope not, as I had planned on forming 5v5 team out of my Shamans.Just dont go changing teams;)

[EvilSqueegee]

The one thing i noted was one guy was banned for using a 3rd party program to launch the wow client, and not Blizzards Launcher. I hope we can get this clarified as we all use Maximizer in one form or another.I use the launcher 5 times, then use Keyclone to organize them (Maximize to region.)

[Vyndree]

As a Multiboxer, should I now be avoiding Arena? I certainly hope not, as I had planned on forming 5v5 team out of my Shamans.

If you're not cheating, you have nothing to worry about. :) Play on.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Just to let people know, I've been using Octopus for several months now and all my accounts are good to go. ;) (i.e.: it ain't octopus, just in case anyone asks or hates on it)

[Gadzooks]

I was'nt worried about my accounts, but I checked, just in case. :P

Vrakthris is racking up the body count, he body slammed this whiner - read the thread from the beginning, and then check the end of Vrak's post here:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=6440922678&sid=1&pageNo=1


We will be sorry to see you go, Aydan, although I wonder how they would deal violations of their Terms of Use; do you think they would not wonder how you zoom around the planet so quickly, or how you seem to lose the ability to speak English while doing so?



That's gonna leave a mark!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Now that's what I call burned. That one's almost as good as the one where the guy tried to fake losing his epic flying mount and blizzard owned him with server logs. ;)

[kllrwlf]

Now that's what I call burned. That one's almost as good as the one where the guy tried to fake losing his epic flying mount and blizzard owned him with server logs. ;)

LOL...that was just EPIC.

[Gadzooks]

I can only imagine what stories the GMs and Account Specialists have that they can't tell - with a customer base that big, they have to have a lot of "And we thought we'd heard it all!" stories that would blow our minds.

When I see posts like the one that was from the OP in Vrak's thread, I can only imagine what they deal with on the phone. Angry enough to type out I want a manager NOW!? I feel sorry for his kids.

Seems like a lot more than botting got put out with the trash today. I'm *thrilled*. :) Next time someone whines about MBers cheating, all we have to do is point out MBers were not part of the Great Cheater Bannination of 2008.

Amazing how many players are talking about all of their multiple accounts being banned...but I thought only us filthy rich players could afford more than one?

The next week will be the usual, every dunce in the game will come by with some idiotic angle they think will make Blizzard change back all the accounts, and change their policies, or postthe usual "It''s all about the money, maaaaaan" nonsense, or they'll try every excuse they can come up with - like always.

Next week, it'll be a new crusade.

Meanwhile, WotLK info leaks out...and the usual "That's not what I wanted, i quit!" posts were drowned out by cheater's tears.


It was a good day. :)

[Tasty]

Twas indeed Master Zooks.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

To paraphrase my favorite quote in one of those "QQ they banned meh!" threads:
So now half a million cheaters are in a different game? Sounds like a win to me.

[Qlimax]

Just wanted to get a clarification about this: if we use keyclone's command editor to "connect" each of our accounts to the game (launching them) is that one of the programs that may be suspected by warden? (I use the command editor for each account to position regions and account names for when i log in. )

Thanks

[Maz]

I don't think we know at this point. I'm sure we'll find out soon :S

The fact that there are people using Keyclone who haven't been banned suggests its OK with Blizz though.

[zanthor]

I haven't launched wow with the launcher for ... hrm, ever on a regular basis. They patch, it "fixes" my desktop shortcut, I fix that back how I like it.

As for KeyClone, I run KeyClone and use the launched commands consistently, none of my 5 accounts have been banned. A good friend had his wives account given a 72 hour vacation with this banstick wave... she and her 25+ year old son share the account (yes, violation.) and the dipshit kid shared it with a friend (yes, violation) and I know he's bought shitloads of gold in the past (yes, violation) and would wager with the recent dumping by the vendors and price slashing he's purchased some recently...

Yet when asked why he was banned, you know what he said? "I don't know."

[Dorffo]

All of my accounts are just fine, and i've been using a mix of keyclone / AHK / hardware for some time now. I've always been very very careful to make sure nothing I setup could be construed as automation in the slightest.

I get "reported" tells quite often while running SSO quests or PvP grinding since folks think I am gliding (I do tend to make the same runs around the same time every evening) but the GMs that I have encountered have all been super friendly and understanding, and after 2 or 3 check-ins with me the first couple weeks after I hit 70 with my crew I don't even hear from them anymore.

Blizzard has a very very strong anti-bot, anti-automated gameplay stance which I support fully, and as long as you don't creep over that edge I don't believe you have anything to worry about.

[Gadzooks]

All of my accounts are just fine, and i've been using a mix of keyclone / AHK / hardware for some time now. I've always been very very careful to make sure nothing I setup could be construed as automation in the slightest.

I get "reported" tells quite often while running SSO quests or PvP grinding since folks think I am gliding (I do tend to make the same runs around the same time every evening) but the GMs that I have encountered have all been super friendly and understanding, and after 2 or 3 check-ins with me the first couple weeks after I hit 70 with my crew I don't even hear from them anymore.

Blizzard has a very very strong anti-bot, anti-automated gameplay stance which I support fully, and as long as you don't creep over that edge I don't believe you have anything to worry about.Yup. If you're truly innocent, you have nothing to worry about.

I'm wondering how many of the "innocent" people posting on the epic ban thread used a powerlevel service in the past, or bought their account. Sure, they never, ever botted, but look at the guy Vrak pwned - sounds like he got powerleveled, and got banned for it.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed months ago how brazen people were getting talking freely in the forums and in the game how they bought accounts, used powerlevelers, afked for honor, because nobody ever got banned for it.

Oops.

Vengeance, thy name is Blizzard.

Now, there's a post from a mom who's rationalizing botting because she's so busy.

Oh, yeah, a LOT of people were botting. 300K may be a LOW number. There's a reason they went after Glider in court, that guy made a LOT of money selling his software, we're seeing the size of his market today.

[Catamer]

I like to use auctioneer but apparently the auto-scan of the available items in the AH is not permitted, this is data mining. you can still use auctioneers other features.

[Gadzooks]

I like to use auctioneer but apparently the auto-scan of the available items in the AH is not permitted, this is data mining. you can still use auctioneers other features.The blues are stating that mods and add ons are NOT why people are getting banned, don't worry about Auctioneer.

They are saying there are cases where software that automates mods, like the one that auto-clicks the "buy" button with auctioneer, can lead to bans.

Auctioneer, as it's downloaded, installed, and used, is perfectly fine. The data mining referred to I tend to think is talking about people who data mine the model files and such to find content.

[Tonuss]

I'm wondering how many of the "innocent" people posting on the epic ban thread used a powerlevel service in the past, or bought their account. Sure, they never, ever botted, but look at the guy Vrak pwned - sounds like he got powerleveled, and got banned for it.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed months ago how brazen people were getting talking freely in the forums and in the game how they bought accounts, used powerlevelers, afked for honor, because nobody ever got banned for it.

Oops.One of the things I've learned from browsing the Customer Service forums for a few weeks now, is that many people have absolutely no clue as to just how much information Blizzard logs. This isn't a criticism, BTW-- I was surprised as well when I realized just how much information they could access. Sent a /whisper to someone? It's been logged. Talked in guild chat? It's been logged. The 500 enchants you performed on a level 1 bracer to get skill ups? Logged. Logged in to WoW from work? Your IP shows up in the log. Logged in from New York at 10am and from Beijing at 10:15am? They can see it.

Therefore, people will go to the forums and make up all kinds of stories, or just claim that they were caught by some automated process that mistakenly flagged them. They don't understand that Blizzard can see everything they've done, and thus when a blue poster explains their actions right down to the last detail, they're caught. Some of them realize they're hosed and just leave, but others will continue to try to lie their way through.

There was a recent thread where a mother was furious that her son had been stripped of gold and his entire enchanting skill because he had been reported for scamming, when he claimed that he had simply DCed and that the mats had disappeared as a result. Blue reply: Uh, lady? Your kid took the mats, transferred them to an alt, and sold them on the AH. BTW... he never had enchanting skill, he was mining/engineering.

There was another thread where a player complained that his nephew had found his wallet, logged into the account website, and used his credit card to transfer his main character from a PvE to a PvP server, and he was upset that Blizzard had not allowed him to reverse the action. Blue reply: Uh, dude? You and your guild mates chatted about moving for weeks, the transfer was made from an IP outside of your home, we have logs of you discussing how cool your new server was, and you also put in a ticket to swap some heroic badge gear. Two weeks later you "just noticed" that your "nephew" transferred your character?

The CS forum is great for this stuff, there is usually at least one thread that goes this way. Quality stuff.

[Havelcek]

This isn't about Keyclone. If they decided that Keyclone was illegal than Warden would get updated and we would all get banned together.

It looks like Blizzard got ahead of Glider and nailed a bunch of those folks. It happens.

[Eteocles]

There was a recent thread where a mother was furious that her son had been stripped of gold and his entire enchanting skill because he had been reported for scamming, when he claimed that he had simply DCed and that the mats had disappeared as a result. Blue reply: Uh, lady? Your kid took the mats, transferred them to an alt, and sold them on the AH. BTW... he never had enchanting skill, he was mining/engineering.

Oh god that thread was absolute comedy gold...I lol'd my ass off at it.

The other example you got slightly wrong...it was to pve from pvp, and the transfer was made within his home, just from a different computer/MAC address(they log your modem/router MACs too; Blizzard is the fucking KGB when it comes to info yo), the rest was right; he discussed it with guildies and gloated about how good it was etc like you said, also comedy gold :P

Similar things in the VAC steam forums..."BURGLARS BROKE INTO MY HOUSE AND USED MY COMPUTER TO HAX THE GOVERNMENT, OH AND THEY ALSO DOWNLOADED CHEATZ FOR COUNTERSTRIKE AND CHEATED WHILE THEY WERE HAXING THE GUVMENT"...or the one post I linked here a month or two ago where a guy asked "WILL I GET VAC-BANNED IF I'M RUNNING A WOW GLIDER BOT WITH STEAM OPEN?"...yeah. Just two of many gems. That's why I read them, like a train wreck...it's both sad(losing my faith in humanity as they lie through their teeth even when proven wrong) but entertaining(lol burglars broke in to hax the guvment + counterstrike)

[yarr]

There was a recent thread where a mother was furious that her son had been stripped of gold and his entire enchanting skill because he had been reported for scamming, when he claimed that he had simply DCed and that the mats had disappeared as a result. Blue reply: Uh, lady? Your kid took the mats, transferred them to an alt, and sold them on the AH. BTW... he never had enchanting skill, he was mining/engineering.

Oh god that thread was absolute comedy gold...I lol'd my ass off at it.

The other example you got slightly wrong...it was to pve from pvp, and the transfer was made within his home, just from a different computer/MAC address(they log your modem/router MACs too; Blizzard is the fucking KGB when it comes to info yo), the rest was right; he discussed it with guildies and gloated about how good it was etc like you said, also comedy gold :P

Similar things in the VAC steam forums..."BURGLARS BROKE INTO MY HOUSE AND USED MY COMPUTER TO HAX THE GOVERNMENT, OH AND THEY ALSO DOWNLOADED CHEATZ FOR COUNTERSTRIKE AND CHEATED WHILE THEY WERE HAXING THE GUVMENT"...or the one post I linked here a month or two ago where a guy asked "WILL I GET VAC-BANNED IF I'M RUNNING A WOW GLIDER BOT WITH STEAM OPEN?"...yeah. Just two of many gems. That's why I read them, like a train wreck...it's both sad(losing my faith in humanity as they lie through their teeth even when proven wrong) but entertaining(lol burglars broke in to hax the guvment + counterstrike)

Hehe yeah. The reason he wanted the transfer "undone" was because you can't transfer from a pve server to a pvp server. So once he had made the transfer, he was basically stuck. His only choice to undo his mistake was to claim the original transfer was made fraudulently.

Too bad for him Blizzard keeps records of things he wasnt counting on ;)

[Gadzooks]

I'm wondering how many of the "innocent" people posting on the epic ban thread used a powerlevel service in the past, or bought their account. Sure, they never, ever botted, but look at the guy Vrak pwned - sounds like he got powerleveled, and got banned for it.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed months ago how brazen people were getting talking freely in the forums and in the game how they bought accounts, used powerlevelers, afked for honor, because nobody ever got banned for it.

Oops.One of the things I've learned from browsing the Customer Service forums for a few weeks now, is that many people have absolutely no clue as to just how much information Blizzard logs. This isn't a criticism, BTW-- I was surprised as well when I realized just how much information they could access. Sent a /whisper to someone? It's been logged. Talked in guild chat? It's been logged. The 500 enchants you performed on a level 1 bracer to get skill ups? Logged. Logged in to WoW from work? Your IP shows up in the log. Logged in from New York at 10am and from Beijing at 10:15am? They can see it.

Therefore, people will go to the forums and make up all kinds of stories, or just claim that they were caught by some automated process that mistakenly flagged them. They don't understand that Blizzard can see everything they've done, and thus when a blue poster explains their actions right down to the last detail, they're caught. Some of them realize they're hosed and just leave, but others will continue to try to lie their way through.

There was a recent thread where a mother was furious that her son had been stripped of gold and his entire enchanting skill because he had been reported for scamming, when he claimed that he had simply DCed and that the mats had disappeared as a result. Blue reply: Uh, lady? Your kid took the mats, transferred them to an alt, and sold them on the AH. BTW... he never had enchanting skill, he was mining/engineering.

There was another thread where a player complained that his nephew had found his wallet, logged into the account website, and used his credit card to transfer his main character from a PvE to a PvP server, and he was upset that Blizzard had not allowed him to reverse the action. Blue reply: Uh, dude? You and your guild mates chatted about moving for weeks, the transfer was made from an IP outside of your home, we have logs of you discussing how cool your new server was, and you also put in a ticket to swap some heroic badge gear. Two weeks later you "just noticed" that your "nephew" transferred your character?

The CS forum is great for this stuff, there is usually at least one thread that goes this way. Quality stuff.Yup - the CS Blues seem to enjoy their jobs a LOT. :)

Could you imagine, reading the QQ posts, tabbing to another screen,and seeing irrefutable proof that person is lying? DREAM JOB. Plus, it looks to me like they have a policy, that if you get annoying/rude enough, they WILL make your issue public and post details.

I'm reading enough to see when they make sly commentary, too, nothing they could get pinned down on, but indicates they know the poster is lying, and they're giving them enough rope to hang themselves. It's VERY entertaining.

I used to wonder why the Blues in general could'nt be more like the CS Blues, now I see why. General is the cesspool, any kind of interaction like the CS Blues have is impossible. General is the cool off line CS uses, to park those who need to vent or just cause trouble. I swear, I laugh at how half of General are just twits who lie in wait to make fun of people's armory profile, or tell people to post on their mains. Ugh.

In the epic ban thread, there was a very humorous series of posts by a woman who was asking about her brother's account. He could NEVER bot, he knows nothing about computers, and she "locked" his computer down, how dare they ban him! Comes back today, yeah, his account is banned for good, it was a legit banning, and she needs to examine her playstyle too. Oh, reaaaally. eMy guess, afk botting and/or fishing bots. Not all bans were for Glider,i suspect.

Now if you want some real fun, go browse the Glider forums, and MMowned, the home of the WoW hackers and exploiters. Take a long hot shower afterwards. My, SUCH nerd cheater rage!

[yarr]

lol, i looked on the [name of program removed] forums, pretty funny



im sure half of these people on wow official forums saying "I have NEVER used a bot EVER EVER EVER" are the same ones posting on [removed] forums "=( i botted and got banned"

people a lot more honest when they are among other cheaters lol!

Like an AA meeting

EDIT: Quotes




srsly, stop making posts about this ban wave and trying to be funny in them, some ppl lost serious accounts like t6 characters and such, it just makes them feel worse then they already feel.

Same Person (after people ridicule him for botting with his t6 account)






I never botted my t6 character, i botted other accounts to sell, glider was always running on my pc. Funny that multiboxers are always accused of account selling. How the tables have turned! Botters fessing up!




Another person

I completely agree... lost full epic tank geared warrior, 4x vengefull / full pvp epic lock, and a full pvp epic geared mage ... well only comment i have to say ,,, w8 for the bot to get safe and ill be up asap :P

lol no remorse here i guess... they never learn do they?







Same I can see it on CNN "Mass suicde in the glider cult community today....."




I also saw a bunch of people saying how stupid blizzard is for banning people just as AoC is coming out... "Everyone will reroll to AoC and blizzard will lose sooooooo much money"



I think that this is the whole point. Blizz is "passing" all of their cheaters/botters/account sellers to AoC! Of course many of the botters are too stubborn and will stay with WoW, sadly. But these people end up paying blizzard an extra 50 bucks for a battle chest! For the privelege of getting banned! =)






So tell me why multiboxers aren't being banned for use of 3rd party software.

Lol! wow of all places to see multiboxer-QQ, the last place I expected to see it was on a botter forum! I suppose they are just jealous they are banned and we are not? Even though they knew they were cheating and did it anyway... whereas we know we are not cheating. Huge difference!








Dear "EU GM"

GFY.....maybe if you fixed your game and made it ENJOYABLE there wouldnt be so many bots. http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif oh yea http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Yeah I think getting rid of the botters and win traders was step 1! :D

[Eteocles]

lol no remorse here i guess... they never learn do they?

S'why VAC Bans are permanent now...Valve tried banning them for 1, 2, then 5 years...despite 2+ years passing people came back and got right back to cheating. So all bans, future and existing ones with time limits, were irreversibly made permanent; good effin riddance to 'em too.

And that last quote about us...oh god lolz..."WTF WE BOTTED AND GOT BANNED BUT THE MULTIBOXERS WHO WE THINK CHEAT BUT HAVE BEEN TOLD COUNTLESS TIMES THAT THEY DONT, DIDNT GET BANNED?! WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH." hahahahaha...oh lord if anyone needed proof we don't bot they finally got it with this ban wave. Gliders're gone for the moment and multi-boxers're all still playing in full force.

[Maz]

Some botter posted on the EU forums that he got banned.

So he logged on with his mates account to see if anything was wrong and... his mate got banned.

So he logged on with his brother's account...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

I actually cried at that one. And not in a bad way :D

[Gadzooks]

Some botter posted on the EU forums that he got banned.

So he logged on with his mates account to see if anything was wrong and... his mate got banned.

So he logged on with his brother's account...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

I actually cried at that one. And not in a bad way :DTo quote Larry Niven, "It's evolution in action". :D :D

Yeah, it's ironic in the extreme that while we get accused of selling accounts and selling gold, yet the botters, a lot of whom seem to be T5/T6 raiders, are the guilty ones. Can you say "projection"? LOL. I'm wondering how much of an effect this will have on the raider's tears in the forums, as I'm seeing a LOT of raiders saying they were banned, or their main tank was banned. That would be the ultimate justice, if a lot of those "Welfare Epics" crybabies got banned for being cheaters. "Hey maaaan, I'm too busy to raid AND farm, it's not cheating, it's Blizzard's fault for not handing me money for being so special."

Seriously, a kid posted yesterday that his brother had 6 accounts he was botting with to sell gold and accounts. But NOOOOOO, we're the bad guys. Why? Because for all of their botting and cheating, they still get WTFPWNED by 5 man teams in BGs.


It seems someone at Blizzard woke up earlier this year and realized how infested with cheaters and spammers and exploiters the game had gotten. Thank google!

I grabbed this from one of the botter forums. Don't know if it's true, the EU forums keep stalling out on me here in CA, maybe they're a little busy today...ahem...if true, this is epic, it's a realm side AI flagging them:


1. This ban wave is the biggest one in history and it's not over yet.
2. It's not the WARDEN or PRELCH detection http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
3. 99% of botters are gaining xp only from killing monsters. No logged quests AT ALL (excluding some class qs). NO DUNGEON instances recorded on realm AT ALL. No quest/dungeon drop gear - only BoE. Boar named boar, cat named cat, 85% boted druids have no aquatic form, etc. Over 90% botters are guild less. Realm side pretty-smart AI scripts flag such an account for manual investigation in 90% cases. The 10% are player reports.
4. Manual investigation can be veeeeery long. You can be flagged for ban 3-4 months before next planned ban weave.
5. We ban you in waves - yes. It's just our policy. Incidental bans are ALWAYS because of intensive and multiple GM tickets OR intensive realm economy exploitation.

Don't focus on client-side detection, while most boting signs are noticed by realm-side AI scripts http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Custom classes won't help you at all.

WE KNOW YOU ARE BOTING AFTER ONE SECOND, BECAUSE OF GLIDER ABNORMAL LOOT STYLE DETECTED BY REALM SIDE SCRIPT FOR AGEShttp://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Custom classes doesn't help you at all being more human like. And PPather makes manual detection MUCH easier http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

All GMs and SSs have a great time reading "We know how to become undetected" posts here.

Well, since it's not software detection related, many of you can survive if were not flagged for investigation http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Till the next time http://vforums.mmoglider.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Kaynin]

Ack, I kept myself in for this long a time, but I can't take it anymore!

To the title of the thread: How about just don't bot at all? :P The title bugs me. xD

[Eteocles]

Aye that's the awesome part...Vyn mentioned it in IRC, when that new shaman that stole her spot showed up, he had little reputation, he hadn't even SEEN Argent Dawn or Booty Bay AT ALL, she thought his rep looked funny...Booty Bay is semi-understandable if you skipped STV on a pvp server but lvling in the 50s without doing at least some plaguelands quests is for masochists and bots :P Especially the joke-easy turn-ins at EPL + you'd eventually want a Scholo key since it's the easiest and most lucrative pre-bc dungeon to farm.

I'm quite happy with this banwave so far...I do hope it continues, good to see something done about 'em for once, fewer people around who didn't earn their keep :P

[Vyndree]

To the title of the thread: How about just don't bot at all? :P The title bugs me. xD

The title was originally just "Botter Banstick", since that's essentially what it is. I added the stuff to the side to disambiguate (for our general forum troll lurkers) the difference between Multi-BOXing and Mutli-BOTting.

[Vyndree]

Vyn mentioned it in IRC, when that new shaman that stole her spot showed up, he had little reputation, he hadn't even SEEN Argent Dawn or Booty Bay AT ALL, she thought his rep looked funny...Booty Bay is semi-understandable if you skipped STV on a pvp server but lvling in the 50s without doing at least some plaguelands quests is for masochists and bots :P Especially the joke-easy turn-ins at EPL + you'd eventually want a Scholo key since it's the easiest and most lucrative pre-bc dungeon to farm.

Yea, we had pointed that out to the guild. It's certainly possible to "boost" a character to 70, so I had no proof of wrongdoing. But I did warn them just about a month ago that his rep looked really odd.

Pretty much everyone has at least SEEN booty bay/argent dawn at some point for the rep to even SHOW UP as "zero" on your char sheet. Most of the old world rep on his shaman weren't even showing up as zero -- meaning he never so much as talked to a NPC of that faction.

I suppose now that he's banned it's appropriate to link his armory. Ended his raid career with 4 piece t6. Looks like he finally visited booty bay and grinded out some AD rep (most likely to attune for guild Naxx runs -- they've been trying to do this before WotLK comes out)

Botted Shaman:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Archimonde&n=Shokbert
Compare to my solo-leveled shammy (leveled pre-multiboxing):
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Archimonde&n=Velani

Take a look at the "Other" reputation list. Even though some of my rep is low to none, it still SHOWS UP on the sheet.

[Tonuss]

Now if you want some real fun, go browse the Glider forums, and MMowned, the home of the WoW hackers and exploiters. Take a long hot shower afterwards. My, SUCH nerd cheater rage! I was reading those yesterday, they are hilarious. "Thanks Blizz, that's what I needed to get away from your awful game!!!" Haha, how pathetic can you possibly make yourself sound?

[Kaynin]

To the title of the thread: How about just don't bot at all? :P The title bugs me. xD

The title was originally just "Botter Banstick", since that's essentially what it is. I added the stuff to the side to disambiguate (for our general forum troll lurkers) the difference between Multi-BOXing and Mutli-BOTting.

Fair enough. ;_;

[Sam DeathWalker]

You can't use the delay feature in the programing software that comes with G15?

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5282318043&postId=53751706772&sid=1#0

Someone said that they sell the zboard at the blizzard store, are they banning for its use (I assume that it also has delays). I can't post on the wow forums but I would if I could. I would suggest that the agrument is that Blizzard is using windows, thus they have implicitly agreed to support microsoft products when they decided to use the windows platform. Blizzard cannot claim "our product is windows compatable" and then ban you for using hardware sold by the maker of windows who claims you can use their product with all windows games....

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=100&active_tab=systemRequirements

I would assume that this product allows pauses on its programable keys.

At any rate I don't really understand the problem. Dosn't wow have in game "socials" which has delays? Is there a reason that the in game stuff can't be used?

[Maz]

The delays are gonna cause you trouble if you use them.

The argument that if it's in Windows then it should be allowed doesn't really hold up. WoWGlider is a Windows app after all. You can even get banned for misusing stuff that's part of WoW.

There are clauses in the ToS that cover any behaviour that's not in the spirit of the game. It's these clauses that were used to slap the win-traders a few weeks ago.

Blizzard's command system makes it very clear which actions are intended to be triggered by a hardware event (key depression/mouse click) and which aren't. Adding delays is a way to circumvent that.

I know of at least one person that got banned for using the G15's delays and all he was using it for was to level up his mage's weapon skills. Admittedly, this was some time ago.

[Sam DeathWalker]

A game advertized as "microsoft windows compatable" has to be compatable with the hardware sold by microsoft. Is there any software application that claims to be "microsoft windows compatable" that does not work with microsoft mice or keyboards? Also logictech (and all programable gamepads sellers) needs to tell people that they cannot use their software in WoW ....

[Maz]

You can buy a handgun.

That doesn't mean you won't get in trouble if you use it.

[zanthor]

You can buy a handgun.

That doesn't mean you won't get in trouble if you use it.You can buy a high end sports car... and when you go 100+ you will be thrown in jail in most states that legally sell you said vehicle.

You can use a G15 with no problems. You can use a z-board with no problems. If you utilize their macro engine to write delay based macro's, then you are opening yourself up to problems. The G15 supports fully scripted (lua based) actions based off hotkeys. I could literally write a full out bot between my G15 and the in game UI (I have no idea why you'd want to limit yourself to lua, but I'm saying it could be done as a matter of study). This would obviously be against the rules.

Don't argue semantics, because Blizzard, just like SOE and Verant before them, can and will ban you for whatever reason they feel compelled to. They both have the clause in their TOS/EULA that says something akin to "we reserve the right to terminate the access of assholes like you."

[Tonuss]

I would suggest that the agrument is that Blizzard is using windows, thus they have implicitly agreed to support microsoft products when they decided to use the windows platform. Blizzard cannot claim "our product is windows compatable" and then ban you for using hardware sold by the maker of windows who claims you can use their product with all windows games...."Windows compatible" only implies that the product should run as advertised under Microsoft Windows (and even then, only on the versions specified... I am pretty certain WoW won't run under Windows 3.11). Blizzard is under no obligation to allow people to use specific hardware or software products to circumvent game mechanics.

Otherwise, stuff like pop-up blockers and anti-spyware would be illegal, since they take direct action against programs and code that are designed to run under the Windows platform.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Zboard has delays and Blizzard sells it.

Clearly they should be reqired to inform you that using all of the features of a product they sell will get you banned from WoW.

It violates laws protecting haddicaped. Cutting down on keystrokes can also prevent repetitive muscle damage. In EQ they added auto fire for rangers, and melody for bards to cut down on possible game related repetive injury.

It is a major selling point of all gamepads, controlers, programable keyboards etc. that you can program sequences with delays using them. Would Microsoft sell office and then say you cant use programable input devices with it?

It seems the consenes is that its not a problem in EQ, which I play (I don't play wow).

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=132581

I dont really see an unfair advantage to anyone as everyone can afford game pads ...

[qcumber]

A gun related analgy sounds really painful.