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Kaynin
05-07-2008, 06:19 PM
Link: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3982958571&sid=1&pageNo=1

Title: Mulitplexing (Boxing) Ban it.
Post:

I'm not sure if you know what Multiplexing (Boxing) is, For those who don't know read the below for my personal description skip the next few paragraphs if you already know.

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Multiplexing, What is it?

Multiplexing is when someone uses either a program or a "splitter" to allow them to play 5 characters at the same time. For example, the user will press Thunderbolt rank X on the emitter (First character chosen) soon after the 4 other characters will cast the same spell.

What is "Boxing?"

Boxing is a sport (Ofc) But the term "Boxing refers to a Box, e.g cardboard box. And when 5 of the same class do the same thing, you could call this "Boxing"

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The effect of Multiplexing

Multiplexing has a huge effect on PvP, You must be wondering "Why?"
Well firstly it will take either 5 random people or less than 5 people with a skilled healer to take down the 4-5 players (Box-ers). lets say the enemy that is Boxing is using 5 shamans. Those 5 shamans will be buffed by around 15 different buffs plus the 5 searing totems hitting for 200 in the least. Imagine getting hit by 5 chain lightings and a flood of Thunderbolts, You would only be able to survive with either more than 15 000 health or Good timing with cloak of shadows.

Secondly, Imagine your defending a flag in arathi basin, You and one other.
5 shamans rush towards you, before you can react there already is an arsenal of totems and 5 chain lightings on there way.

Luckily you rez at the spirit rez-er within 10 seconds and you can make your way back to the flag.
The first thing in your head is to interrupt the enemy which is trying to capture the flag. So you cash a single target spell, Sadly there are 5 Grounding totems protecting the flag capturer, and unless your a mage or hunter; there just isn't enough time to stop them capturing the flag.

Do you see this as fair?

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Show your opinions.

Say " Yes i believe that Multiplexing should be banned" If you agree with me.
Say " No..." and give reasons for why it should be kept in game.
Hopefully Blizzard will consider it.

(thanks for reading this much; but i just had quite a bit to say :S)

Blizzard response on page 5: (By Thundgot, EU CM)

We have stated several times that we have nothing against multiboxing. As long as the player controls each of the characters the player may run multiple clients/characters.

We're aware of some players not agreeing with us on this - on some topics people simply have to agree to disagree. At the same time, expressing disagreement in a nice way is of course no reason for jumping on someone. Constructive feedback and discussion is always encouraged. :)

My post on page 9:



OP: Oh you're from my battlegroup, and coincidentally I started multiboxing in level 70 battlegrounds one week ago when I dinged.

Ooooh, I am also as far as I know, the only shaman boxer in this battlegroup at level 70, active in pvp. (Altho I might be wrong, I can't find any tho.).

You didn't make this topic because of me, have you. :< I'm nice really. Fluffy, cuddly... Huggable even!

And really, I'm still very killable! *nod* I'm squishy and soft. try me. :3

On the topic of multiboxing. We might play 4-5 characters. We also take up 4-5 spots in the battlegrounds. And not all of us are as effective as some. Next to that, we also have many weaknesses. (Killing the leader isn't one of them, at least not for my set up, but I still have weaknesses.) And there are quite some players that found ways to disable me. And it's up to me to try and counter those tricks again.

All in all though, there's nothing unbalanced about it. Seriously. If my four shamans would have been four individual shaman using any form of communication to pick there targets and focus quick. They could potentially be way better then a multiboxer could ever be.

Next to that, we are still limited to the objectives of a game.

A multiboxer is one player. NOT one character/spot. Don't expect to win from a multiboxer, unless you expect to win vs 4-5 people as well. :P


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About the 'multiboxing gives blizard more irl golds' excuse.

It's faulty. If blizzard would only care about money, they WOULDNT ban gold sellers, etc, or genuine hackers, and people cheating. They pay too. They still get banned.

Next to that, the multibox community is bit a mere fraction oft he entire wow population. It's not even peanuts by blizzards standards. If you would compare the amount of gold sellers with multiboxers, and use this as an excuse. Then you should serious start to reconsider your business plans.

Blizzard doesn't just allow this because they earn more money from it. It's as simple as that.


This thread seemed to have blown up in a very short time. :P I only just found out. The OP is out hoping anyone at Blizzard will consider banning multiboxing. the majority of the people seem very considerate towards multiboxing. A handful seems to believe it's just the money. A few idiots here and there, not many. But interesting thread! It's not been discussed as much in the EU as it has in the US forums, this is the biggest thread to date I think. :p

Los
05-07-2008, 06:20 PM
still the thread died out abit , sadly enough :P (suzumebachi is me)

(wrong/other thread then i thought up front :P)

Kaynin
05-07-2008, 06:43 PM
still the thread died out abit , sadly enough :P (suzumebachi is me)

(wrong/other thread then i thought up front :P)


xP Yeah, it's only few hours old, this one. really pewpew blown up there apparantly. ^^

Ughmahedhurtz
05-07-2008, 07:07 PM
Secondly, Imagine your defending a flag in arathi basin, You and one other.
5 shamans rush towards you, before you can react there already is an arsenal of totems and 5 chain lightings on there way.


Lets see, counting in server lag and all other sorts of pleasure, we drop down a set of 4 totems, and a 1.5 cast of chained lightning (cause no natureswiftness isnt up 24/7 lets assume its on cd). You have about 8 seconds to do something. Are you afking in bg's? LOL! Well put.

Kaynin
05-07-2008, 07:12 PM
I still kinda wonder if it has anything to do with me or if there are more shaman boxers in my battlegroup. But I don't think there are. >.>

I mean, we have a relatively small battlegroup. Which.. sucks.. (5v5 arena mostly. >.< )

So far I seem to be the first people see. *shrug*

If there's more, i want to know about it tho. :p (Maybe arrange some 2x multiboxer matches by signing in at the same time. xD xD!)

Kaynin
05-07-2008, 08:12 PM
Thread locked. :(

Tonuss
05-07-2008, 08:42 PM
What is "Boxing?"

Boxing is a sport (Ofc) But the term "Boxing refers to a Box, e.g cardboard box. And when 5 of the same class do the same thing, you could call this "Boxing"

That made me LOL.

Boxing refers to a Box, e.g. cardboard box. That is classic.

Los
05-08-2008, 04:53 AM
whats that song again, "im living in a box, im living in a carrdbooaardd booxxx", was that inxs? cant remember

Actually haters should be called boxers, for there limited views.

merujo
05-08-2008, 05:18 AM
whats that song again, "im living in a box, im living in a carrdbooaardd booxxx", was that inxs? cant remember

heh, that song is from the same named band, Living in a Box.

anyways, nice reply Kaynin :)
a minority of players will always try to bring down multi boxing, saying its overpowered. But i also know, that sometimes, those players whining are the ones that play almost everyday and all day, and for them, being killed by a multiboxer, is something that make them going nuts, because they can't do the same :P (having in mind that it's 1v1 in the end)

Majestic_Clown
05-08-2008, 06:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHt_GzOgjvA

Dance Los! lol

bodefeld
05-08-2008, 06:26 AM
[video]

Dance Los! lolLOL!

Skuggomann
05-08-2008, 06:56 AM
DAMIT! i was gona quad post there, but it got locked :(

Anahka
05-08-2008, 07:12 AM
There's a new one open now: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3982828708&sid=1

The latest trend seems to be to call it a premium service. Pay more = get more power.

Kaynin
05-08-2008, 07:32 AM
Yeah, I posted a few times in there. It seems OP is pretty much dealt with by everyone in the thread tho. :p

Seems (if a thread on a forum could tell) the vast majority in the EU is pretty multiboxing tolerant.

Ifalna
05-08-2008, 07:35 AM
Aye, I love the guy Kragg (spelling may be wrong) who is still insisting 90% of players hate multiboxers, and wants blizz to do a survey.

10 mill accounts. Around 1 mill use the forums. Of that 1 mill, around 300 have moaned about boxers, pretty much everyone else does not care, or see's why it is allowed. How that 300 are so damn pigheaded and blind scares me.

Then again as I said in the thread, let their nerd rage sustain you, it ends up just being funny.

Los
05-08-2008, 09:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHt_GzOgjvA

Dance Los! lol/facepalm! :)

Havelcek
05-08-2008, 09:18 AM
Well we all know those damn shaman multiboxers are able to drop 20 totems, shoot off a choreographed chain lightning and a group heal all on 1 GCD.

Anahka
05-08-2008, 09:53 AM
If you put the question to the playerbase, and to every WoW player - Wether to allow or disallow multiboxing - You'd probably find out that most people, only having one account (And maybe a second for a child, sibling etc), will not like other people being able to buy an advantage.

I know I don't like the fact people can effectively buy an advantage in a game where the stakes are meant to be equal - Be it buying gold, powerlevelling or multiboxing.

So, have fun, multiboxers. You're in the "hardcore" minority, and you're running on borrowed time already.

Source: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2405315731&sid=1&pageNo=4

I started to reply but it's honestly not worth the effort with these morons.

Khayos
05-08-2008, 10:24 AM
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3982698772&sid=1

Boylston
05-08-2008, 12:55 PM
Whine threads like this that are incredibly poorly written, have hopeless logical flaws in reasoning, and aren't even accurate are great, in my opinion. They make it easy for Blizzard to stick with their policy. There hasn't been an anti-multiboxing post so far (that I've seen, but I'm certainly not trolling for them) that comes close to presenting a compelling case for why Blizzard should re-evaluate their policy.

That's great for us, to be honest.

Keep them coming, I say. Let them focus on the whole "no way to beat this one person" argument, let them have the debates over what constitutes "automation", etc. That's not going to be a threat towards our playstyle in the slightest...

Tonuss
05-08-2008, 01:08 PM
By the way, to all the anti-MB idiots who point to ONE PLAYER who got past 2000 arena rating as an example of something "ruining the game"? The fact that you are suggesting that Blizzard make such sweeping changes based on what one player has been able to accomplish is more likely to ruin the game, than a few multiboxers are. Shoot yourselves.

To the moral crusaders who claim that Blizzard is willing to allow cheating and look the other way because of the extra money? You must quit playing WoW, immediately. Otherwise you are supporting Blizzard's stance on cheating with your own dollars and time. That makes you no better than Blizzard, except for the part where you condemn them publicly while supporting them... which makes you a hypocrite. Ask the previous group to shoot you before they shoot themselves.

To the rest of you... water my garden with your tears. Thanks.

Skuggomann
05-08-2008, 01:21 PM
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3982698772&sid=1 ('http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3982698772&sid=1')

I maid a riply tho that tread x4

Ifalna
05-08-2008, 01:38 PM
I maid a riply tho that tread x4Spammer :D

Desolate
05-08-2008, 03:27 PM
This dude must of got owned hard lol. I am ashamed of my fellow lock.

Achor84
05-09-2008, 04:53 AM
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=3982728758&postId=40093301342&sid=3#29
The same here in the german Suggestion-Forum.

The best Part here is, that many of them say, that we sell "powerleveling" and/or Chars (with full S3 :D ) and/or of course GOLD.
So we are all --> $_$

So here is "my" suggestion:
We found a gold and Powerleveling Company.
And so we can spam 5 times in the Tradechannel :thumbsup:

:D :whistling:

Ifalna
05-09-2008, 06:02 AM
Problem is its not long till gold selling companies get in on it.

Why bot a character to 70 and have a very high chance of loosing them before they are high enough to grind gold, or level them one by one manually till 70, when you can mb five to 70 within the games legality, then either bot them at 70 with a much higher rate of grinding before being banned, or play 5 manually that it only took you a little longer than 1 to level?

It is going to happen. It is far more economical for them to do so, and I really worry how it could affect the rest of the playerbases view of us if it really is directly linked to gold selling :(

Eteocles
05-09-2008, 09:21 AM
Economical? Maybe, practical? No. They'd be noticed either by people seeing them or people /who'ing instances at random(and trust me, they do; anytime a bunch of hunters are in an instance someone pipes up quick, even on Cairne in the first few weeks someone pointed out "OMG LOOK THERES LIKE 40 HUNTERS IN DIRE MAUL RIGHT NOW AND NO OTHER CLASSES" and sure enough, /who Dire Maul - 40 Hunters with random names and random levels, most of which were too low to be in there(late 40s), probably some old farming operation who doesn't realize DM ain't worth shit anymore and has no more chest spawns BECAUSE of hunter farms.

Kaynin
05-09-2008, 09:24 AM
Mhm, multiboxing is very easily tracable for Blizzard. We get a lot of attention. :p

Ifalna
05-09-2008, 09:34 AM
Economical? Maybe, practical? No. They'd be noticed either by people seeing them or people /who'ing instances at random(and trust me, they do; anytime a bunch of hunters are in an instance someone pipes up quick, even on Cairne in the first few weeks someone pointed out "OMG LOOK THERES LIKE 40 HUNTERS IN DIRE MAUL RIGHT NOW AND NO OTHER CLASSES" and sure enough, /who Dire Maul - 40 Hunters with random names and random levels, most of which were too low to be in there(late 40s), probably some old farming operation who doesn't realize DM ain't worth shit anymore and has no more chest spawns BECAUSE of hunter farms.Leveling most likely, as there is nothing of value in there. Then off to more profitable areas.

People seeing them boxing in the open? Nothing will be done, because they are breaking no rules by just leveling 5 chars with no bot, which we know all about ;)
So instead of leveling 1 char singly to start botting at 70 and get as long out of it as pos.. they get 5. It is the most practical route they can take, they get 5 times the botting off at 70 then just one char.
No amount of reporting them while leveling will do anything at all. Do you get banned if people report you? Gold farmers and bots only beome practical to start sending gold to the mains at late 60's, getting banned earlier than that is not a good enough risk for the gold involved.

Boxing the character being leveled is the single most practical way of doing it. And if they are doing nothing wrong, they will not be banned. I just really really hope it does not happen, but I cannot see them not realising the amount of time it saves for long.

Gallo
05-09-2008, 09:46 AM
I think that the WoW forums aren't really the place to get fired up. I look at them like a "complaints forum". In any complaints forum, do you ever see someone saying "You know what great features WoW has? It has this this and this..."? No... all you see is complainers. I don't think that 90% of players hate multiboxers. I'd guesstimate that 10% think its cheating. When I'm in BG's, 3 out of 5 times things go well and people just say in BGchat: "Whoa, watch out for Group 2" "Keep the shamans healed! They're pwning!". Then theres 1 out of 5, where some idiot starts slandering me, calling me names, saying I'm a botter, saying I'm a cheater... and people actually DEFEND me in bgchat! It's great. Then, theres that 1 out of 5 where people call me a cheater and no one speaks up to defend me.

I'd say the majority of people think its fine.... but the WoW forums have been, and always will be, for the VOCAL minority.