Lock CC

[Voidx]

Just curious, but since I'm normally tanking, I may not always notice, but How safe is Seducing? Every time in w/ a lock in 5 mans, I'm always finding myself offtanking the seduced mob, because succy died, or it broke loose. Can anyone that has played a lock, plz give me some insight as to how effective a seduce would be in a normal 5-man at 70? Say, if i had 2 locks, and I both gave them a seduce target, then had them assist me and DPS, how long would it be before there seduce breaks etc.
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[Sovereign]

Seduce is extremely unreliable. If it's resisted, the succubus is dead, the mob will be on her like white on rice.

It doesn't hold for very long. It seems like as far as crowd control goes, it's a short duration, it almost never holds as long as it should, so there must be more chance to break it.

Soon as it breaks, your succubus is dead. So that seduce is not coming back.

I've managed to re-seduce quite a few times at lower levels when the succ isn't 2 shotted by mobs, but at the higher levels, I have never been asked to break out the succ for CC.

Warlock CC is limited to banish/enslave for the most part, pet off tank in a pinch and in a really tight situation, you can use the succ.

That has been my experience with locks both before I played one and after I have a raiding 70. Name is Vetis, currently on Eitrigg.

[Voidx]

so would you say that fearing the mob would be more reliable of a CC when 5-boxing or w/e? With that much DPS, you can prolly burn down one within 15 secs or w/e, an dyou can always AoE fear with locks/preists. SO if i had the choice, should i even bother with Succy when 5-manning 70 instances? or keep out something w/ more DPS (or felguard when offtanking or w/e)

[Sovereign]

Depends if you're nubguard spec. The sac abilities are nice if you have that talent.

But as far as using the succy for reliable crowd control, I wouldn't. Might ask if Xzin's having better luck with his, I know he has a post about a succubus cc macro, so he is doing it.

If you have no other option though, it's better than nothing. Fear is a no go for the most part, depending how you're pulling. If you're pulling mobs far back once you have the room to do so, Fear is probably the best CC you have, it holds a long time, and for warlocks at least, I barely ever break it with shadowbolts.

An imp is going to be a better option as a pet than a succ, imo, for blood pact and dark pact if you spec that way (dark pact ftw). Then you're left with a lot of other better choices as well for the other lock's pet.

I'd say it'd be situational, if you feel you need the succubus it can be there, but I personally don't use it unless I have to.

[HPAVC]

I find the voidwalker just amusing the mob with his song and dance routine much easier than the succubus seducing. That said I use the voidwalker long past his warranty date than most would it seems.

If you know the encounters that your going to be using the seduction in, its not bad. Shield bash is always the thing to watch out for it seems, concentration aura or a power word shield is also a good thing if you have that available.

Use of a focus macro is like mandatory for any of these types of things.

[Shogun]

The only way I've found it viable to use is like this (my main is a 70 lock):

Make sure you're using an adon that allows you to see pet's cast bar.
Make a focus macro that casts (and recasts) seduce on the focus target so you don't need to switch targets later.

Now, to avoid the succy being 1shotted, and then the mob moving onto the healer after it's dead, have a macro that does the following: Attacks the /focus mob with searing pain, and tells seduce to cast, so that the mob gets smacked with a very high aggro spell and then seduced. You might need 2 macros for it anyway tbh, to make sure SP lands b4 seduce. If you'r not multi-boxing this is less of an issue

Now you watch the pet cast bars, the second they stop casting (it's a channeled spell) it means seduce broke or finished. Recast the seduce macro, at worst the warlock gets smacked once before it's re-seduced (make sure you don't try and searing pain again though, it'll get interupted and land late)

It's still not greatly relliable, but at least like this it's workable

[Kilroy]

I find seduce to be relatively reliable and I'm often called upon to CC in heroics.

The trick is to aggro the mob before your succubus seduces and put Curse of Shadow on the mob to reduce resists. I usually tag with Curse of Shadow and click my seduce focus target macro. Also make sure you pull the mob away from the tank and preferably away from your pet before you seduce. Move away from the mob yourself so you don't get hit once seduce breaks.

If you really want to make sure you'll keep aggro on it tag with Searing Pain and break seduce with Searing Pain before you reseduce.

This way your pet will never have aggro and the only way for it to fail is silence or fear on your pet. That's where CoEx or lolcoil comes in handy! :)

[Flight]

But as far as using the succy for reliable crowd control, I wouldn't. Might ask if Xzin's having better luck with his, I know he has a post about a succubus cc macro, so he is doing it.


It was me that posted about the Succubus macro. It was copied and pasted without any acknowledgement.

Note that the macro in this form is not meant for boxing; I changed it slightly and used a different focus hot key for each Warlock.

/clearfocus [modifier:alt]
/focus [target=focus,noexists]; [target=focus,dead]
/clearfocus [target=focus,help]
/petstay
/petfollow
/stopcasting
/cast [pet:succubus,target=focus,exists,harm] Seduction; Seduction


The original was Felbringers work; discussion on it here :

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=276808148&sid=1


It will not change its focus target while it has a valid target, if it has a valid target it will cast or recast Seduce, if it hasn't a valid target it will set target as focus and cast Seduce.


I'm at 54 with Pallie, Shammy and 3 Warlocks and have done all instances up to and including Temple.


Seduce is extremely reliable; extremely so. I have hardly ever had a resist, you can set your pets cast bar to see when it is running low and immediately recast it (you see the channeling bar counting down in the cast bar). With a set of 3-4 mobs I can set 2-3 to different Warlocks focus target and keep them seduced as long as I want, through multiple recasts of seduce.


With respect, anyone who says Seduce is not useful or is unreliable is wrong. Careful use of the above Seduce macro and enabling the casting bar in your pets window are absolutely essential, though. .

I have found, though, it is easy to break the Seduce and have the Succubus go off and do something else; eg if it gets a command to attack a different mob it will override the Seduce and break it or if the pet or mob get damaged it will break. I always use it on passive and disable its attacks, when using them for CC.

[cerruption]

Seduce is extremely reliable for me (70 lock), I use it constantly in heroics. The key is setting a mini triangle of aggro, searing pain + CoS the mob to avoid resists, then seduce on the run.

The rough part is you can't recast seduce 1.4 seconds from the expiry like you could with polymorph. It never resists for me though (almost never), so I wind up a fear when its expiring, then recast and it stops the mob in its tracks. Works everytime for me. If the mob resists, throw curse of recklessness on it, then juggle back to shadow fast while reseducing. Sounds complicated, but with CoS up they just don't resist anyways. I play a mage and a lock, seduce CC is just as easy for me as polymorph.