Change in multiboxing policy

[Generalbrock]

This is utter crap, but multiboxing has been officially banned in WoW. I honestly thought they would never go this far, but there it is - multiboxing is gone from WoW.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23558957/policy-update-for-input-broadcasting-software

[Pithy]

There's a new bliz post banning input broadcasting.
I'm really glad I delayed resubbing my accounts due to hurricane power issues, but I hate to see blizz going the way of ccp.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23558957/policy-update-for-input-broadcasting-software

[mrdsp]

There's a new bliz post banning input broadcasting.
I'm really glad I delayed resubbing my accounts due to hurricane power issues, but I hate to see blizz going the way of ccp.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23558957/policy-update-for-input-broadcasting-software

Just seen this - totally shocked! People farmed BFA to death and have killed it for us all.

[Generalbrock]

I'm a multiboxer and even I was getting annoyed at the people with 20-30 characters locking down areas. I knew this would happen with people abusing it.

[schmonz]

I have expected this at some day in the future. And here we are. Seems Shadowlands is only to be enjoyed with one char.

[mrdsp]

Has anybody got a ban yet? Seen the change in policy - https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23558957/policy-update-for-input-broadcasting-software

This is caused by people farming the hell out of BFA.

[CokeZero]

Honestly I blame the 40+ multiboxers who terrorized players out in the the world or controlled zones so players can't complete quests or objectives. Even to a degree the 10+ boxers who could just about achieve the same tomfoolery. I knew the way that multiboxers of today have abused how lenient Blizzard was towards us would eventually screw us over. The hate just grew and grew as solo players got pooped on by the mass multiboxers.
Eh, will save me some money anyway, lately I have only been multiboxing once or twice a week with my teams and focusing on my main. Glad my main was never part of any of my teams. Was fun while it lasted, RIP.

[Generalbrock]

Man, it really pisses me off. I'm disabled and the only way I could easily play was with multiboxing. I tended to get destroyed on just my main as I can't turn my character very well. I hope all the jackasses who went crazy with this are happy.

[Bodom]

It was fun while it lasted. RIP

[schmonz]

I will go solo char. Good i only bought ISBoxer for 3 months this time :)

Thanks to Lax, it was worth the money.

[kate]

Well I'll be damned - I guess the people who were constantly panicking and insisting the sky is falling for the last 10+ years were finally right!

Now to figure out a mechanical/non-software way of doing the same thing :)

[schmonz]

Probably someone should invent a keyboard with 5 usb cables.

[gooch3008]

completely killed the interest I had in retail and classic...... I dont know what I am gonna do now....

[Fat Tire]

Damn

[CokeZero]

I'm a multiboxer and even I was getting annoyed at the people with 20-30 characters locking down areas. I knew this would happen with people abusing it.

This 100%
Back when Blizzard removed follow from battlegrounds, that's when I stopped using my team for PvP and only killed players in self defense. I switched to PvE focus and kept my teams away from the public eye as much as possible. Nah, the software made multiboxing too accessible to the general masses, and inevitably you got some buttheads with serious epeen issues trying to stroke their egos by abusing multiboxing and terrorizing solo players. Was fun while it lasted, RIP.

[kate]

Probably someone should invent a keyboard with 5 usb cables.

Such things already exist, so that would be A solution if someone used multiple PCs.

Could just run multiple VMs on a sufficiently beefy machine and then just have them all receive input.

Between that and a combination of EMA and GSE you could get pretty close, it just raises the technical bar high enough that the players who are the most visible (yet, funny enough, least frequent) part of the problem will be just fine because they're already spending a ton, while the people who aren't particularly problematic will be unable to play much.

I'm going to guess that it'll be a very short hop to "no more multi-boxing, period" when Blizzard sees those unintended consequences.

For me, I'll at least check out Shadowlands, and if it's at all fun then I'll keep one account for a bit, but singleboxing just isn't a very interesting playstyle since everything gets analyzed and optimized to death. C'est la vie!

[moog]

Fuck! Had a long ride but it's game over. Five Classic subs cancelled and saved me buying 5 of the new retail expansion.

[Generalbrock]

Fuck! Had a long ride but it's game over. Five Classic subs cancelled and saved me buying 5 of the new retail expansion.

I just bought my copies. I'm trying to get a refund now. Fingers crossed they'll let me refund the games and six month subscriptions.

[schmonz]

I'm going to guess that it'll be a very short hop to "no more multi-boxing, period" when Blizzard sees those unintended consequences.


Yeah, if players are going to circumvent this new rule with hardware solutions, Blizzard surely will adapt. Yet, this change will make multiboxing even more niche as it was, probably those very exotic implementations would not get onto blizzards radar.

Blizzard obviously does not want Multiboxing to be popular. And this is their solution.

[kate]

Has anybody got a ban yet? Seen the change in policy - https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23558957/policy-update-for-input-broadcasting-software

This is caused by people farming the hell out of BFA.

In the link you posted, they will begin issuing warnings, which means, presumably, no bans yet.

[RedSorc]

Horrible news. I was really looking forward to coming back and trying to involve myself with the community more. :(

I'm not sure there's really another experience in gaming that's similar to the challenge of overcoming mythic+ keys with a 5-box, really sad that I'll never be able to enjoy that process again.

[Teknetron]

I knew it was getting bad.
I literally couldn't go anywhere without seeing large farming druid teams, stand still afk farming druid teams etc...

Not saying those are all multiboxers, but it really doesn't look good and is directly associated with us. I also feel this policy change is going to have zero affect on getting rid of these multi-botters and afk farmers.

You always hear how long it takes for blizzard to ban accounts etc. So by the time they get around banning them, they already have gold moved through the AH to legit accounts, with back up accounts waiting to start farming again.

I hope every legit boxer here cancels their subscription, letting them know why. All we can do is hope they alter their policy after seeing subs go down, or because they see it had no affect on the problem they are trying to resolve.

Anyway, it's been fun while it lasted!

[Facedthemusic]

I hope every legit boxer here cancels their subscription, letting them know why. All we can do is hope they alter their policy after seeing subs go down, or because they see it had no affect on the problem they are trying to resolve.

Anyway, it's been fun while it lasted!

I already cancelled my subs and requested refunds on SL. However, it's never coming bacl.

[Teknetron]

I believe hardware boxing is going to be just as bad in their eyes. This is how it used to be done. I used to run multiple computers with a single wireless keyboard / mouse with the frequency being sent to each computer. Before software was available.

By the wording of the policy, they want people to only be multi-accounting using the ALT+TAB method. So that means any actions that fire off the same skills on your guys at the same time is asking for action to be taken on your account.

That effectively kills it for most.

[mrdsp]

I knew it was getting bad.
I literally couldn't go anywhere without seeing large farming druid teams, stand still afk farming druid teams etc...


This.. and I know a fair few of them post on here. I can't say how I feel about them now not that it matters, boxxing is over for this xpack at least.

To anybody who has farmed over and over for this xpack, you did this to us all.

[ELBA]

Oh wow , we need to merge some theads and a have a stickie post on this.

Just some random thoughts I'm sure all of you are having the same ones.

oh that's why all the Devs were leaving and making new gaming companies.

Huge loss of sub's aka real life money, for Blizz/ activision. and even IS boxer/Lavishsoft.

And a huge hug and shout out to all my fellow multi boxers who feel devastated. The shock and pain is real. I'm so sad I can't multi box wow.

Will we soon see this site and others listing massive confirmed bannings? Say like Senior Member Ellay banned, and has it on video and posts it.

Mind blown, all the steamers, youtubbers, twitch, discords, gone.

What the hell are they thinking (my anger setting in) They are killing WOW. WTF , give us a multi-box server. So like retail, classic, and Multi.

I have to go have a drink. I have to go for a walk. Do you feel me? Then I'll come back and post some more, cuz man this is HUGE gaming news.

[mrdsp]

I believe hardware boxing is going to be just as bad in their eyes.

Agree. This is a stance change - multiboxing (at the same time) is now against the ToS

[Kurkis493]

So I guess the question right...

Multi-boxing has been allowed / around / legal in World of Warcraft for a long, long time. I have 7 accounts with level 60s (classic) on all of the accounts. If I can't multi-box then I don't need 7 accounts subscriptions. I don't think the majority of people who multi-box are trying to be malicious and have been loyal customers to Blizzard for many, many years.

Is Blizzard gonna say, welp GG guys either pay for your multiple subscriptions or don't and lose characters. That would be kind of shitty for them to do.

So do we get even if we have to pay $25.00 one time the option to consolidate accounts? I mean I hope so. I don't multi-box like I used to but the option is always there especially when like TBC comes out.

If you take that option away from me then I have little to no benefit of having my characters spread across multiple accounts and would want to consolidate to save $30-40 a month in subs.

[WOWBOX40]

Wtf.... :(

Guess i have some pcs i can sell... or.... maybe i will keep them and give the upcoming mmo named "ashes of creation" a go instead. Supposedly it will support multiboxing... time will tell.

Worst case scenario, i can sell my pcs and 1080p monitors, then keep my main pc and upgrade to some nice 4k screens.

Either way, this is extremely surprising news. And sad times.

Couldnt they just allow regular multiboxing.... and instead dont allow "pvp, herbing and standstill farming of mobs"?...

And yes... time to ask for SL refunds...

[valkry]

Was fun while it lasted :(

[dustofoblivion]

I'm so angry honestly, I never liked Blizzard as a company much in recent years, but their reasonable stance on multiboxing kept me playing WoW which is my favorite game of all time lore-wise. Now I uninstalled my Battle.net accounts and will refund all 40 of my SL pre-orders. I am never going to support any Activision Blizzard games ever again. PoE is 1000x times better than Diablo 3, Legends of Runeterra is 1000x better than Hearthstone. All of their games are generally not worth playing compared to existing alternatives. Bobby Kotick can shove his 50mil USD up his own arsehole for all I give a damn about

[Generalbrock]

I'm so angry honestly, I never liked Blizzard as a company much in recent years, but their reasonable stance on multiboxing kept me playing WoW which is my favorite game of all time lore-wise. Now I uninstalled my Battle.net accounts and will refund all 40 of my SL pre-orders. I am never going to support any Activision Blizzard games ever again. PoE is 1000x times better than Diablo 3, Legends of Runeterra is 1000x better than Hearthstone. All of their games are generally not worth playing compared to existing alternatives. Bobby Kotick can shove his 50mil USD up his own arsehole for all I give a damn about

I've never been this angry about a game before to be honest. I just bought a brand new computer to play on, as well as buying Shadowlands for my accounts. And I just spent a fortune race-changing etc on all my accounts. Blizzard can go fuck itself.

Playing without multi-boxing pretty much isn't going to happen for me, so WoW is dead. Awesome.

[Los]

Damn, sad to hear this happen, havent played in ages, but knowing I could still multibox was a nice thought.

Back to the old days of xzin hardware multiboxing with wireless mice/keyboards or multicasters like this? http://www.vetra.com/844Utext.html

[Nejcha]

I assume this is just for software by reading it? Not people using physical multiplexers.

[Syferr]

As we have all seen in the last few months there were just way too many multiboxing “farmers” sitting in the one spot all day standstill farming and then also streaming it.

[WOWBOX40]

You could always try ask for a refund for the services you just bought.. as these news litterarly appeared out of nowhere... zero headsup... that just sucks... terrible customer service :(

[stubbadub3000]

edit: I feel so sorry for you people still playing who had this dropped on them, I hope you can find another game to scratch that mb itch


Ah well this sucks, but it's completely understandable given how multi-boxing is used in retail to mass herb and mine.


I have multi-boxed for many years and really enjoyed it, it just made the single player experience so much more interesting. I have been three boxing since WoD and five boxed for a little in Classic leveling a warrior/priest/3 lock team in dungeons.


I have been clean of WoW since Jan 2020, I have been so tempted to relapse recently but this is finally it for me and this game. Such a shame, multi-boxing is so much fun but I can see why it is finally being banned.

[WOWBOX40]

Hang on.... what if i f.ex play some accounts and change every action in isboxer to be sent "round robin" instead....... i could see myself playing 3 accounts like this.

"We will soon begin issuing warnings to all players who are detected using input broadcasting software to mirror commands to multiple accounts at the same time (often used for multi-boxing)" = doesnt affect round robin??

[Selz]

Ughh - I feel for all you guys.

I quit the game and multiboxing long ago now, but at that time of playing-- this would have hurt me, I hope you all find new hobbies for you to enjoy. Believe me, there are a lot more of them out there :)
/Selz

[Sservis]

If you read the announcement carefully enough it says specifically.

The use of input broadcasting software that mirrors keystrokes to multiple WoW game clients will soon be considered an actionable offense. We believe this policy is in the best interests of the game and the community.

Round robin keystroke passing does not fall under this definition. There is no mirroring going on there. It's one input, one action, in one client. Granted, I'm pretty sure that's going to be a pretty fine distinction and likely not to be sufficient to reverse any account action.

[WOWBOX40]

If you read the announcement carefully enough it says specifically.

The use of input broadcasting software that mirrors keystrokes to multiple WoW game clients will soon be considered an actionable offense. We believe this policy is in the best interests of the game and the community.

Round robin keystroke passing does not fall under this definition. There is no mirroring going on there. It's one input, one action, in one client. Granted, I'm pretty sure that's going to be a pretty fine distinction and likely not to be sufficient to reverse any account action.

With how much im used to spam most buttons, it wont be too bad, atleast with up to 3boxing. But it will be wierd having to also spam /follow, use the lootarang toy, etc. Prefered class would be one with a tankpet: just casually press buttons and let the pets kill mobs off (in order to save strain on fingers).

Unless they outright ban the usage of isboxer, while playing wow... time will tell.

[Post-BAN]

It's time to request a free character transfer


wow x #> wow 1 (x)

[gameslah]

Back in 2004 I used hardware -- an Xkeys Programmable Keypad along with a KVM (5+ Physical PCs)
https://xkeys.com/xkeys/keys.html

Example: one keypad button would send
"scroll-lock scroll-lock 2 1"
"scroll-lock scroll-lock 3 1"
"scroll-lock scroll-lock 4 1"
"scroll-lock scroll-lock 5 1"

which would "go" to computer 2 and "press" 1, computer 3 and press 1, etc.

Basic and slow but it worked.

I'm sure people will come out with something. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.

[Algorithmic]

Whoa, after spending over a month and finally broke the concept and inner's to Lavish this happens.
I rebuilt my ISBoxer profile from scratch and was in the middle of my Menu's and deep into LavishGUI/Script when I read this. Guess I'm going back over to Trove.

Look at this, 30+ days of pure 10h+ nights and it's all for nothing.
https://i.imgur.com/Ou7vbef.png

https://www.dual-boxing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2408&stc=1

[WOWBOX40]

I havent played in a few days now. Im gonna try change every single action in isboxer to round robin and play 3 accounts. Time will tell if i get any "warning".

Update... Eh... i will wait... for further clarifications... if isboxer itself = bannable or not (while having wow running), before i try this.

[valkry]

Round robin with rapid fire on key hold?

[CokeZero]

If you read the announcement carefully enough it says specifically.

The use of input broadcasting software that mirrors keystrokes to multiple WoW game clients will soon be considered an actionable offense. We believe this policy is in the best interests of the game and the community.

Round robin keystroke passing does not fall under this definition. There is no mirroring going on there. It's one input, one action, in one client. Granted, I'm pretty sure that's going to be a pretty fine distinction and likely not to be sufficient to reverse any account action.

I think 2 main reasons they are making this change.
#1 to combat the massive amount of bots now utilizing multiboxing
#2 because the hate for us has grown so much over the years and it's reached a boiling point

If #1 is really a main reason for blizzard, you can bet they won't be happy with round-robin. Because the bots will spam those keys so fast, that round-robin would look like normal multiboxing and wouldn't make much difference for a bot to spam a key 5x in half a second.

[ELBA]

Solutions wont work, round robin, hardware, don't matter. If in game it looks like multi boxing its multi boxing to Joe player and Joe player is going to rage. It's going to be a witch hunt for you. People will hate on you like never before. You will be "reported" endlessly. Think of the GM's that are going to just instant ban and let it get sorted out by other means.

Hell even if 8 people were farming a 2x4 farm spot totally legit. Legit = 8 people 8 separate accounts solo playing. Even they would be hated on, reported, witch hunt. etc.

Can you see yourself getting your account ban, reversed for the 5th time on each of your accounts? (say you 5 box). cause u "round robin" or hardware? Good luck with that.

And an other thing.
Dual-Boxing.com Community Rules

Under
No Tolerance Rules

THIS RULE

No discussion, advertising, or directly linking related to anything that violates a game's ToU, ToS, EULA or other rules. This includes:

Hacks, exploits or cheats
Account, item and/or currency trading/selling {unless expressly allowed under said game's rules}, leveling services.
Bots, including botting software or keyboard automation and other automation
Private servers
Any means of circumventing a game's anti-cheat detections or software.

This part of that Rule
"anything that violates a game's ToU, ToS, EULA or other rules"

So are some of the very workarounds, like "round robin" hardware, etc, that we are talking about in this very thread, breaking this "No Tolerance Rule"?????



Its game over guys RIP. solo play one account = new normal.
I hate it. I'm sad. I'm shocked.

edit to add.
www.dual-boxing.com is not a "World of Warcraft" site anymore. All "World of Warcraft" forums should be removed. OR site rules have to change. *OMG mind blown*

LOL someone help me

[WOWBOX40]

I suspect that might be the case Cokezero: if so, they should redefine their new rules and just flat out ban the usage of spesific softwares, while also running wow. *if round robin also wont be allowed.


Also, hang on...they mentioned keystrokes only.... what about mirroring/broadcasting the mousecursor and / or mouseclicks? It that also wont be allowed..

[stubbadub3000]

I can only assume that mb will be banned outright soon, guess all those people were right when /follow was nuked

[valkry]

Solutions wont work, round robin, hardware, don't matter. If in game it looks like multi boxing its multi boxing to Joe player and Joe player is going to rage. It's going to be a witch hunt for you. People will hate on you like never before. You will be "reported" endlessly. Think of the GM's that are going to just instant ban and let it get sorted out by other means.

Hell even if 8 people were farming a 2x4 farm spot totally legit. Legit = 8 people 8 separate accounts solo playing. Even they would be hated on, reported, witch hunt. etc.

Can you see yourself getting your account ban, reversed for the 5th time on each of your accounts? (say you 5 box). cause u "round robin" or hardware? Good luck with that.

And an other thing.
Dual-Boxing.com Community Rules

Under
No Tolerance Rules

THIS RULE

No discussion, advertising, or directly linking related to anything that violates a game's ToU, ToS, EULA or other rules. This includes:

Hacks, exploits or cheats
Account, item and/or currency trading/selling {unless expressly allowed under said game's rules}, leveling services.
Bots, including botting software or keyboard automation and other automation
Private servers
Any means of circumventing a game's anti-cheat detections or software.

This part of that Rule
"anything that violates a game's ToU, ToS, EULA or other rules"

So are some of the very workarounds, like "round robin" hardware, etc, that we are talking about in this very thread, breaking this "No Tolerance Rule"?????



Its game over guys RIP. solo play one account = new normal.
I hate it. I'm sad. I'm shocked.

edit to add.
www.dual-boxing.com (http://www.dual-boxing.com) is not a "World of Warcraft" site anymore. All "World of Warcraft" forums should be removed. OR site rules have to change. *OMG mind blown*

LOL someone help me
It's not breaking the rule, because if the rule is you aren't allowed to run, you can still skip, cartwheel, shuffle, hop, etc. You hav to set the rule as only allowed to walk. Obviously blizzard also has the right to do whatever they want. Also, the purpose of said rule was to not taint this community by associating it with rule breakers and potentially getting multi-boxing banned, which is a bit moot now. But we didn't ban the talk of multi-boxing after the /follow in BGs ban and shouldn't after this either.

I don't think this change will stop the botting, just like how the /follow removal didn't stop the botting. So multi-boxers just get scuffed again as collateral for a change that won't work.

[luxlunae]

Sad day. I was all excited to watch the new podcast tomorrow :(

[Slats]

I think mass-multibooting and farming killed it for us. And honestly compared to them we are the minority here. They could fix the node spawns to make it like skinning is now. They could have fixed all the 4x2 Farm Spots. They could have limited /follow to x number of people. They could have limited you to a certain number of accounts.

The Blizzard we knew back in mid-2000's would have done those things first. And ironically enough I don't think this change will affect the 4x2 Farmers and the Mass Herbing people all that much. But when 80% of Twitch streams are about multiboxing + farming stream! 100+ accounts!" and a tiny fraction are people pushing Raid or Dungeon content, well we are the underdog here.

Even though we all started this, its evolved and been abused to its limits. It now effects Race to World First, the in-game Economy, Server Stability and others player experience by making Zones unstable or Timed World Quests no longer completable.

I'd like to say it was a few people ruining it for the many, but honestly I think its the many seeing an easily accessible option for farming and our hobby getting swept up and mutated out of our control.

I am devastated. I am sad. I am angry. I am amused. I was having so much fun and the rub got yanked out beneath us.

After 12+ years of having a firm stance on this for it to change now is a sign of their whole opinion on this way we play changed. While we might argue the wording or whether RR is breaking the rules or just the 'spirit' of this policy, no longer do we have Blizzard behind us, having our backs when people report us. I foresee a lot of people who are not "technically" breaking the rules banned and constantly appealing their accounts. This feels to me like a Corporate / PR decision. Whoever backed us at Blizzard and constantly explained to upper management what we do and why its fine is gone now I think.

[Toned]

Thank god I only pre-purchased shadowlands on a single account.
I resubbed my main account to poke around to check out the anniversary event... then I saw this.

Guess my days of pushing mythic+ and raid content as a multi-boxer are over and I'm stuck back in Everquest (been getting burned out there waiting on the next WoW expansion)... /wrist

[Spyro]

It's time to request a free character transfer

wow x #> wow 1 (x)
They should do that but won't, because a transfer flags the character for a name change, and they don't want name changes in Classic.

[Boostab]

Well this blows I had a feeling this was coming =(.... well time to move my gold and items around and get thing settled..

[notta3d]

I'm a boxer in Classic and I unsubbed last month because there are too many boxers. They are everywhere in Classic. It was completely abused IMO. Retail is even worse.

[MadMilitia]

I can only assume that mb will be banned outright soon, guess all those people were right when /follow was nuked

Yes. When they cut us from battlegrounds a few people left then. Personally I did little PvP so it didn't but should have bothered me. The follow nuke was what got me though. Mixing their policy changes into PvE was a big warning sign. It was really only a matter of time. Though I admit this one feels heavy handed. They want multiboxing gone for good and I think the pandemic numbers fluffed them good enough to commit to this stupid move.

[WOWBOX40]

Yeah, if players are going to circumvent this new rule with hardware solutions, Blizzard surely will adapt. Yet, this change will make multiboxing even more niche as it was, probably those very exotic implementations would not get onto blizzards radar.

Blizzard obviously does not want Multiboxing to be popular. And this is their solution.

When i read their statement, they briefly mentioned multiboxers as users of similar software, when they talked about cracking down on botters. Last time they cracked down on botters in bgs... they removed /follow in bgs... which affected us. Now, they affected us by, basically removing our ability to play, like, "at all".. crippling us. Unless, maybe they will allow hardware solutions... i got my doubts though, time will tell. The policy only mentions software as not allowed, currently.

[Moorea]

I'm a boxer in Classic and I unsubbed last month because there are too many boxers. They are everywhere in Classic. It was completely abused IMO. Retail is even worse.

uh? what server are you on? how is it that what other people do affect you anyway?

or did you mean to say botters?

[Wubsie]

I think we all had a bad feeling this might happen due to the ridiculous influx of gold farmers who have taken it to the extremes and create a very visible, persistent and annoying presence and undoubtedly impact the economy over the past year or two...

Sadly I think it could have been resolved in other ways (account caps, DR on loot from killing the same mob over and over, reduced loot tags, single tap nodes, token caps, actually enforcing the rules against cartels and economy manipulation, etcet), but I suppose this is the easier solution for them, so this is what they went with.

I'm saddened, but not surprised. This is exactly why I've not upgraded more than 1 account to SL to date. Slim chance this will get reverted, but I don't see it happening. This is especially annoying due to how much planning for the community aspects for boxing SL have been done in the background.

[DGiraldo]

Doesn't really matter who's fault it is at this point.

I have spent a fortune on my 5 accounts and now its over... pretty disappointing.


By the way, is it easily detectable by Blizzard? I mean, will they know exactly who is doing it? Or is it mainly getting reported?

[Purpleflavor]

Very sad day.

Thinking about FF14 now, but i dont know anything about it since the only time i ever played it was on the first release before it was remade.

[dlewis3319]

I just got confirmation from Blizz that they will refund all my Shadowlands preorders.

I totally gutted. Spend months prepping all classes on 5 accounts ready for SL. And now this.

F U Blizz. Im done.

[valkry]

uh? what server are you on? how is it that what other people do affect you anyway?

or did you mean to say botters?
Holding instance entrances, e'ko and black lotus farming. They are the only ways I can think of where multi-boxers can affect others in classic.

[Purpleflavor]

I knew it was getting bad.
I literally couldn't go anywhere without seeing large farming druid teams, stand still afk farming druid teams etc...

Not saying those are all multiboxers, but it really doesn't look good and is directly associated with us. I also feel this policy change is going to have zero affect on getting rid of these multi-botters and afk farmers.

You always hear how long it takes for blizzard to ban accounts etc. So by the time they get around banning them, they already have gold moved through the AH to legit accounts, with back up accounts waiting to start farming again.

I hope every legit boxer here cancels their subscription, letting them know why. All we can do is hope they alter their policy after seeing subs go down, or because they see it had no affect on the problem they are trying to resolve.

Anyway, it's been fun while it lasted!

Not all boxers are botters, but all botters are multiboxers. :(

[Tiny_d]

I have put in a refund request, not that I think it will be successful...
Genuinely don't understand why, this wont stop botting or the bot farms or even node farming all that it stops are the legit fun we on these forums have.

[Hypnox77]

Just made an account for this as I am saddened to hear people running dungeons while multiboxing will get banned...
I was honestly considering doing this in shadowland as back in the day I did that on private servers and it was a lot of fun.
Do you think there is any alternative to this?
Like mentioned earlier, run 5 VMs in parallel, and have the host broadcast specific input to the correct VM instance? This really looks like the original way of doing it and probably not legit... The program will instead only be visible in the host and the input will look genuine inside each VMs...
Meh, I really wish they went with a different approach than banning it all-together.

[Braxtar]

Nazjatar farming killed us.

We must recognize that this method of multiple druids farming was largely abused and annoying the entire community. It's not like it's not been reported separately, the anger was rising on the forums, even at the end of BfA when people were farming for their Bruto, they had a harder time due to all of these russian druids farming team.

I don't really believe it's the afk spot farming that killed us, sincerely I believe it's the herbalism. People were litterally unable to farm even during week ends due to 3 to 4 teams of MB farming in the daylight and server hoping like crazy.

[Recap]

I have put in a refund request, not that I think it will be successful...
Genuinely don't understand why, this wont stop botting or the bot farms or even node farming all that it stops are the legit fun we on these forums have.

Same here. I hope I get something back..

Really sad and upset about this.. Not sure what more to say that already been said here by follow multiboxers. Multiboxing was what made wow fun for me. Guess I'll try sell as much of my hardware I can and go play PS5 later this month.

Sad day idd.

[Feint90]

Multiple months wasted prepping teams for shadowlands just to find out, after they already took my money, that I can't use them. Refunds requested, they can't really deny pepeople I think since they should have stated this before pre-sale. And with the delay pre-orders were already being refunded.

Still a lame change, just fix the problem instead of plastering a bandaid on it.

[schmonz]

Well, i am used to anecdotes like these from Blizzard.

I learned not to take anything they do serious anymore.

[Tiny_d]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=318925/multiboxing-is-not-bannable-blizzard-clarifies-tos-measures-taken-to-prevent-bot

So Blizzard isn't against Multiboxing just software that enables it... Cunning so they can skirt around any ramifications re charge back requests or refunds?

Surly Lax, MiRai or or someone has a link/communication line to Blizzard to ask if we can use ISBoxer to legit play? I dont farm gold I just love leveling teams and running 5 man content for the challenge, been at it for 12 years now....

[Lyonheart]

For me its the thousands of dollars I have spent/invested in this hobby., primarily for WoW. Do we have any legal options? I mean they allowed it for years and also lead us to believe that as long as we followed the rules we were safe. WHat are we supposed to do with all our other accounts characters? Are they going to refund us?

Why cant they just do a compromise..limit boxing to 5 accounts..no PvP ( i know a lot of us would hate that part alone ) but just out right ban us after all these years?

[macrossru]

The question remains is if they will allow to use isboxer to set windows and ema to use mount with leader and strobe follow (ema is not that important). With windows set up it is still easy to have 4 chars to follow and manually hit all the nodes. This will not stop herb/mining boxers, just make it a little more work.

People that lose are those that are playing dungeons, which sucks.

I have requested refund on 4 of my shadowlands purchases and 2 months remaining game time on those accounts.

[sethlan]

Instead of taking everything away from us. Why don't they just add a server or make existing server for just multiboxers. ? And let us transfer there. Instead of shutting us down like that after so much time invested

[Lex]

Instead of taking everything away from us. Why don't they just add a server or make existing server for just multiboxers. ? And let us transfer there. Instead of shutting us down like that after so much time invested

Exactly what me and my friend was thinking.
I hope such a request/question reaches them before i have cleaned out all my char's...
Would like to know what their respons is to that.

[schmonz]

Instead of taking everything away from us. Why don't they just add a server or make existing server for just multiboxers. ? And let us transfer there. Instead of shutting us down like that after so much time invested

Well, they actually want to do the opposite, to have one server type for everyone.. except rp probably. Also, if they start with special realms for special target groups, others would want that too. Hardcore realms. Solo realms. Gnome-only realms..

[sethlan]

I enjoyed classic a lot. I have 10 box acc on classic that just got renewed and thinking to create new team on low pop server and see how long it takes to get banned. I know it's a waste of time but whatever.

[philadelphe]

Multibox is not over. Blizzard dont want "broadcasting software to mirror commands to multiple accounts". If you use round robin you dont mirror commands. If you attribut one key per box you dont miror. For instance you can use clic bar for healing. This is not morroring etc...

[Tiny_d]

Multibox is not over. Blizzard dont want "broadcasting software to mirror commands to multiple accounts". If you use round robin you dont mirror commands. If you attribut one key per box you dont miror. For instance you can use clic bar for healing. This is not morroring etc...

That's not going to work, you are going to now receive so much more hate and reports than ever in game, the automated ban system will ban you and its down to luck if you get the accounts back from the jobworth who gets your support ticket.

Multiboxing in Wow is pretty much dead.

[Tann]

Estimada comunidad multibox / wow, ha sido un honor tenerte en este divertido viaje, resolviendo mis dudas y compartiendo tus inquietudes a través de estos foros.


Cada euro en ISBoxer ha sido un dinero muy bien recibido.


Extrañaré jugar wow así más que nunca.


Esperando que todos sus proyectos futuros se cumplan, les envío mis mejores deseos.


PD: Disculpas por mi bajo dominio del inglés, ya que no es mi lengua materna.

[Kruschpakx4]

Multibox is not over. Blizzard dont want "broadcasting software to mirror commands to multiple accounts". If you use round robin you dont mirror commands. If you attribut one key per box you dont miror. For instance you can use clic bar for healing. This is not morroring etc...

i dont think that loophole is going to last xD

i guess we just have to accept the fate that there wont be another tbc for us

i always found that arena boxing had quite some potential in many expansions which I'd like to have explored further, quite an irony to lose the entire playstyle to the goldfarming/herb abusing retards as they are

[Hisha]

Requested a refund last night on my order of 5x shadowlands which I ordered months ago and woke up to an email saying the process is started and I should receive a refund in a few days. So at least it seems they are not going to make the refund process to much of a pain. I did mention in the ticket that I was seeking a refund due to the change in their multiboxing policy, so something you might want to make sure you also mention. Who knows the mass refund requests might push for a change in policy again.

It sucks that they went this route but it's their playground they make the rules. I might hang around and solo play WoW, but at this point most likely not. It doesn't hold the same fun value as I felt when multiboxing.

[CokeZero]

Multibox is not over. Blizzard dont want "broadcasting software to mirror commands to multiple accounts". If you use round robin you dont mirror commands. If you attribut one key per box you dont miror. For instance you can use clic bar for healing. This is not morroring etc...

Round-robin is just skirting around what it is they are trying to accomplish by this new policy in the first place. Fighting bots.
A computer program can EASILY round-robin multiple key-strokes in the same time it would take you to press a single key, even faster actually. So a round-robin workaround will just get actioned immediately. You're only option so far as I can tell, is hardware multiboxing, and all the limitations that come with it. You will just get banned once Blizzard starts to action accounts for boxing software, and you'll have an uphill battle explaining your position and hoping they will even listen. Good luck, but I don't recommend you try and find out if you still want to keep your account(s). If you don't care about them, feel free to give it a go and let us know lol.

[Braxtar]

Multibox is not over. Blizzard dont want "broadcasting software to mirror commands to multiple accounts". If you use round robin you dont mirror commands. If you attribut one key per box you dont miror. For instance you can use clic bar for healing. This is not morroring etc...

Just, this: The use of input broadcasting software that mirrors keystrokes to multiple WoW game clients will soon be considered an actionable offense

It's not only the broadcast that is not allowed, it is the software that they will start to monitor and ban at sight. Isboxer/AHK and others are done for WoW and I would not recommend you use it, even for windows settings and stuff.

Same if you go with hardware setup, just as CokeZero mentioned, you are just awaiting until the day you will get reported, they will suspend yours accounts and then you will discuss, when they will be available. What's the difference between a software they cannot identify server side and a hardware setup ? None in fact, they will just follow you for 10 mins, and if you have a multiboxing behavior, banhammer. Done.

[Apatheist]

Well, that's that, I suppose.

Time to cancel my subs. No point continuing to support a company that doesn't want me playing. I guess I'll go back to private servers.

I would suggest everybody cancel their subs immediately and reference this change in policy as the reason. At the end of the day, all Activision cares about is their bottom line. If they lose a enough subs based on this policy change perhaps they'll revise it. Unlikely, but there's no point continuing to waste time on a game that you're going to be banned from at some point.

[Teknetron]

I put in a refund request yesterday after cancelling my x6 accounts. I had also just spent $300.00 in character transfers.

Woke up to an email this morning saying:
I'm sorry that you had to spent such a significant amount of money just to see it all go to waste with the new measure being taken by Blizzard about multiboxing. This is affecting a lot of players, and I understand your frustration about this matter.

I was refunded for my shadowlands purchases as well as about 80% of character transfers. Better than nothing, but it doesn't compare to the amount of money I've sunk into this hobby since 2005.

Wish they could come up with a better solution so legit multi-boxers could continue and the multi-botters could still be taken care of. I'm upset to see it go, but it's been fun while it lasted.

[Skyton]

Maybe they will allow only 5 boxing account :x

[schmonz]

I put in a refund request yesterday after cancelling my x6 accounts. I had also just spent $300.00 in character transfers.


Still wait for my answer. I will keep 2 of 5 active accounts, as i have old chars from solo days on those accounts as well :) Nothing i want to lose.

[Generalbrock]

Maybe they will allow only 5 boxing account :x

I really wish they would do this. I only two or three box and have never bothered anyone. I think this would solve the problem, but I'm not hopeful.

[Kalros]

Man, this really hurts. Multiboxing WoW has been a huge part of my life for 12 years now, and just like that, its gone. I've already gotten a response about my request for a refund on Shadowlands. Like others I've seen in this thread, they seem more than willing to give the refund without a fight, which I do commend them for. I've had a feeling that SOMETHING was coming because of the increased hate traffic against multiboxing I've been seeing lately. The shame of it all is, most of us here have nothing to do with the reasons why this eventually happened. I never mass-gathered for profit or really messed around with the auction house at all. I enjoyed the challenge of doing 5-man content on my own, farming mounts and earning raw gold through old raids and emissaries.
The multiboxing community has been great overall. Huge thanks to Lax and Ebony for the products you created that made this possible. Unfortunately, with the end of multiboxing comes the end of Warcraft for me. I dont leave angry, just a little sad, but thankful for the times that I DID have. I may try boxing The Old Republic again or go back to EverQuest, but it'll never be to the level that I played Warcraft. Its going to be weird not logging in every day, but if I cant play the way I enjoy, I wont be playing at all. Thanks again to the boxing community. I'll miss the days of WotLK and Cata as we all worked together to figure out strategies, macros, and tricks to finish Heroic Dungeons and do the "Glory of ." achievements.
Goodbye, I'm gonna miss you. You had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end.

Jason aka Kalros

[Emanon]

Just gave up, canceeled my 20 accounts now Private server here we come!!!!

Only plus now i save alot of cash each month.

[notta3d]

There were a million other ways Blizz could have handled this to stop the abuse without disallowing the software.

[Pocahuntess]

This will not have any impact on botting / multi-botting. People that bot never cared about the TOS! They will still multi-bot and continue to disrupt regular players.

Blizzard plainly doesn't want boxing any longer. There is no amount of circumventing that will prove worth it in the end. Good luck to you all and whatever you chose to do next.

[ejay33]

I had just finished the hivemind on my 4th team, got all 4 teams to engineering 70 for that loot a rang and was looking forward to shadowlands so much I upgraded my video card to a 3080 and monitors to 4k. This is such sad news.

I did what everyone else is doing, cancelled my accounts and shadowlands preorder - wrote in it was because of the multiboxing ban hoping by some miracle they will reverse it some day...which they won't.

the wife asked me why I can't just play 1 toon. I told her it's just not as fun or challenging. To which she replied now you have no choice so stop crying...LOL. Thanks everyone for all the help and info on here.

[Mercbeast]

I feel like the decision to ban multiboxing might be hinting at some sort of f2p model coming. Games that go to f2p often tend to ban multiboxing or take hard actions against it.

What Bliz should have done in my estimation is, designated certain servers as multibox friendly. That way they don't lose thousands and thousands of subs, and people who hate multiboxers can move off those servers and multiboxers can move onto those servers.

[Pocahuntess]

I feel like the decision to ban multiboxing .

Multiboxing isn't banned. Nor is it against the TOS.

[Tiny_d]

Man, this really hurts. Multiboxing WoW has been a huge part of my life for 12 years now, and just like that, its gone. I've already gotten a response about my request for a refund on Shadowlands. Like others I've seen in this thread, they seem more than willing to give the refund without a fight, which I do commend them for. I've had a feeling that SOMETHING was coming because of the increased hate traffic against multiboxing I've been seeing lately. The shame of it all is, most of us here have nothing to do with the reasons why this eventually happened. I never mass-gathered for profit or really messed around with the auction house at all. I enjoyed the challenge of doing 5-man content on my own, farming mounts and earning raw gold through old raids and emissaries.
The multiboxing community has been great overall. Huge thanks to Lax and Ebony for the products you created that made this possible. Unfortunately, with the end of multiboxing comes the end of Warcraft for me. I dont leave angry, just a little sad, but thankful for the times that I DID have. I may try boxing The Old Republic again or go back to EverQuest, but it'll never be to the level that I played Warcraft. Its going to be weird not logging in every day, but if I cant play the way I enjoy, I wont be playing at all. Thanks again to the boxing community. I'll miss the days of WotLK and Cata as we all worked together to figure out strategies, macros, and tricks to finish Heroic Dungeons and do the "Glory of ." achievements.
Goodbye, I'm gonna miss you. You had such potential. But then again, all good things must come to an end.

Jason aka Kalros

Kinida same boat as myself, Im genuinely gutted played wow since launch and boxed about 12 years.

This 'fix' will change nothing when it comes to node farming, bot farms and the businesses that use them, it totally only effects this community.
Spent so many hours getting prepped for SL, Hive mind mounts on many teams, leveling new teams it's just another thoughtless move by Blizzard.

[Creed820]

I only got into boxing late last year. Running a trio for fun; no farming nodes, no pvp - just doing what I would normally do solo with a pair of helpers. I used IsBoxer and EMA. I wasn't sure how long I would do it or if I would like it after a few months, so I did what I could to minimize my RL cost. I was able to buy BFA for my other two accounts when it went on sale, using gold. Initially, I started testing the waters without broadcasting software; so I can see how it can be done without it - but I also see how it's ease-of-use made the playstyle's popularity explode in the last few years.

I used one pc (with three monitors) to run my teams. Using additional pc's is an option for me, but I'd like to keep it on one. With that said, I'd like to pose a few questions to everyone:

Is it still possible to use programs like ISBoxer or EMA, without broadcasting? How much of what they do would have to be "toggled off" in order to still use the program without breaking the new policy?

Is there a way that I could use a couple of number pads (connected to one pc) to run my other two clients?

[Spyro]

I'm mad about the fact that I'm not gonna be able to transfer all my classes to the same account to continue having access to them without paying the 5 accounts, sheeeeit.

[Braxtar]

I only got into boxing late last year. Running a trio for fun; no farming nodes, no pvp - just doing what I would normally do solo with a pair of helpers. I used IsBoxer and EMA. I wasn't sure how long I would do it or if I would like it after a few months, so I did what I could to minimize my RL cost. I was able to buy BFA for my other two accounts when it went on sale, using gold. Initially, I started testing the waters without broadcasting software; so I can see how it can be done without it - but I also see how it's ease-of-use made the playstyle's popularity explode in the last few years.

I used one pc (with three monitors) to run my teams. Using additional pc's is an option for me, but I'd like to keep it on one. With that said, I'd like to pose a few questions to everyone:

Is it still possible to use programs like ISBoxer or EMA, without broadcasting? How much of what they do would have to be "toggled off" in order to still use the program without breaking the new policy?

Is there a way that I could use a couple of number pads (connected to one pc) to run my other two clients?

No and No, read the other posts instead of asking questions maybe ?

[Kaige]

I had been debating on not playing Shadowlands or Burning Crusade, but I figured with multiboxing it would be worth trying. Now, I've lost a lot of interest in them.

I'd be interested in trying out a different MMO to multibox, but I'm clueless.

[Generalbrock]

Some good news at least - I got a refund on Shadowlands and my game time. They rep did it immediately and seemed to hint they were getting many requests like this one.

[jak3676]

I know this forum is particularly sensitive to threads about bans and so forth. While I agree with that policy, I would be really interested to see if (when?) there's any reports about warnings or notifications.

[Creed820]

Thanks for your amazing input. I'll just assume you're a quitter who's still crying about the loss of his easy button. I'm not, I'm looking for other options.

I've read the comments since the thread started, and it sounds like some boxers are taking this as an end to boxing. I don't, at least not yet. So I'd like to hear other viable ways that I and others can continue to play without broadcasting - but get some of the other functionality back (the stuff that didn't rely on broadcasting).

Obviously there were hardware options before, whether it was multiple pc's or just one. Any well-versed boxers out there willing to shed some knowledge?

[Nolife]

I'm a bit angry, but mostly just really really sad. I was especially waiting to multibox TBC content.

Cancelled 5 x WoW Subs, debating whether or not to buy Shadowlands on 1 account. This might be the time i leave WoW for good.

[Fat Tire]

At least KVM switches are cheap now a days. There are even Display port switches so hardware boxing will still be a thing.


Feel bad for Lax though, this was probably a good side hustle.

Edit: For those who havent, you can get a refund on your shadowlands pre order. I got 3 refunded a couple of hour ago.

[Braxtar]

Go with hardware solutions, they will ban you at first report. Their post is a clear statement that they don't want us to be playing multiple characters under one player. You can log as many characters as you would like, but you won't be able to play them on one min toon and send instructions to others via the same window.

The only use of ISBoxer / Innerspace running in background or Autohotkey or HotkeyNet or anything similar is breaking the ToS. If you get caught using it, you will be offending the ToS, this is written blue on black.

I hear that you want to be positive, but let's not spread the word that there is a solution for multiboxing when there is not. The hardware solution will only push you into an endless discussion with Blizzard staff once you have been reported weither or not you are in yours rights or not. And there is a high chance you will lose that game. If you want to invest time and money in that process, do it but don't mention on a forum that there might be a solution.

[Tin]

I'm mad about the fact that I'm not gonna be able to transfer all my classes to the same account to continue having access to them without paying the 5 accounts, sheeeeit.

The maximum number of characters per user account is 50. Players used to have a limit to the amount of characters per realm but can now create their 50 characters all on one realm if they wish.

And tranfer is on discount right now.....

[realsoccer]

this wont solve the botting problem, bots will still auto farm just like the multbox botters farming dungeons... they only hit us with it and most if not all the multiboxer i know dont engauge pvp combat.

[kate]

Thanks for your amazing input. I'll just assume you're a quitter who's still crying about the loss of his easy button. I'm not, I'm looking for other options.

(snip)

Obviously there were hardware options before, whether it was multiple pc's or just one. Any well-versed boxers out there willing to shed some knowledge?

Why would someone help you when you're attacking people for being bothered for feeling like they've had the rug pulled out from under them? Figure it out yourself since you seem to be bothered by someone else wanting an "easy button."

On a different note, I was screwing around today with a pure hardware solution (worked pretty well, though not nearly as seamlessly as ISBoxer), and in about 10 minutes I got 4-5 people whispering at me that they've reported me for boxing which is a substantial uptick compared to the usual. I haven't gotten a ban or warning from Blizzard, but given that it's only been an hour or two, I wouldn't put much stock in that.

[Spyro]

The maximum number of characters per user account is 50. Players used to have a limit to the amount of characters per realm but can now create their 50 characters all on one realm if they wish.

And tranfer is on discount right now.....
What? Transfers between accounts are not allowed in Classic. I guess you are talking about Retail.

[Pantao]

Huge thanks to Lax, Mirai, all of the content creators, and other boxers.

I'll stay tuned and play around for workarounds but over all its been great. I prefer to do content alone so this is a great avenue for me. What started as a 3 account alt+tab gold making nightmare became an 8x toon dream filled with Raiding, M+, World PVP, and farming (and one extra account for doing AH). In March I quit a semi-hardcore Mythic Raid guild/team to focus on boxing and 28 days later I had a long boi.

Thankfully being retired military I have a lot of time and I didn't spend a dime on accounts 5-9, any subs for over a year, or expansions. I remain optimistic with requests for SL refunds (back to my BNET Balance of course), as well as transference of game time to my primary account.

[Braxtar]

Huge thanks to Lax, Mirai, all of the content creators, and other boxers.

I'll stay tuned and play around for workarounds but over all its been great. I prefer to do content alone so this is a great avenue for me. What started as a 3 account alt+tab gold making nightmare became an 8x toon dream filled with Raiding, M+, World PVP, and farming (and one extra account for doing AH). In March I quit a semi-hardcore Mythic Raid guild/team to focus on boxing and 28 days later I had a long boi.

Thankfully being retired military I have a lot of time and I didn't spend a dime on accounts 5-9, any subs for over a year, or expansions. I remain optimistic with requests for SL refunds (back to my BNET Balance of course), as well as transference of game time to my primary account.

Same here, thanks Lax, Mirai, Ellay/multidayz, Sirscruffington, Jabberie and a few others that litterally brought me into multiboxing.

Would love some post as an update on which game will isboxer 2 focus now that WoW is not in the line of sight anymore, and I guess I'm not the only one to wait for your next step, a lot of us will probably move with you guys.

[Renwyk]

The Real Reason for this policy change:

It’s not because of bots, it’s not because of the rise in solo-player hate, it’s not because of the WoW economy, nor is it because of their desire as developers to create enjoyable solo content without the pressures of multi-boxing benefits.

Plain and simple, it’s for the subs. Their data-analysis team did the math and realized that the sheer amount of players paying for game time and other services with gold is their largest deficit. Too many people are “technically” playing for free. Blizz makes most of its revenue through subs.

Even if every multi-boxer was refunded for every pre-purchased Shadowlands and canceled all our subs, whether we payed real money or not, Blizzard would still come out making more in the long run when new and old players come back for SL launch paying with real $. It’s the same reason why they took action against the Gallywix discord. Too much gold being made. ActiBlizz wants Tokens to be unobtainable to most.

This is why I’m going to continue multi-boxing in spite, and continue paying for game time with gold. I’ll find a way around it without violating ToS.

[Braxtar]

The Real Reason for this policy change:

It’s not because of bots, it’s not because of the rise in solo-player hate, it’s not because of the WoW economy, nor is it because of their desire as developers to create enjoyable solo content without the pressures of multi-boxing benefits. Plain and simple, it’s for the subs. Their data-analysis team did the math and realized that the sheer amount of players paying for game time and other services with gold is their largest deficit. Too many people are “technically” playing for free. Blizz makes most of its revenue through subs. Even if every multi-boxer was refunded for every pre-purchased Shadowlands and canceled all our subs, whether we payed real money or not, Blizzard would still come out making more in the long run when new and old players come back for SL launch paying with real $. It’s the same reason why they took action against the Gallywix discord. Too much gold being made. ActiBlizz wants Tokens to be unobtainable to most.

This is why I’m going to continue multi-boxing in spite, and continue paying for game time with gold. I’ll find a way around it without violating ToS.

Look up here: https://wowtokenprices.com/extended-history

2017 was HB, most commonly and widely known bot was at its peak, tokens costed a lot.

September 2018, HB shut down, look the impact on the tokens...

Now you will have a before and after November 2020, plain and simple.

Tokens price are related to demand. When heavy charge of multiboxers were playing, token would yield/cost 200k golds. When no multiboxers, I guess they will drop below 100k.

[Peri Helion]

I am encouraged by people requesting refunds and getting them. Voting with our wallets is our only option. Perhaps that is why they issued that clarification about "multi-boxing" not being banned https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/24258

That update to their support article, at least for me, shows that Blizzard is conflating multi-account players with multi-boxing. But lets be honest, they can say multi-boxing is not banned, but by banning the software they are in effect banning multi-boxing, while begging all the multi-account holders not to stop spending money.

Perhaps Blizzard will reverse themselves on the software ban if this change has no effect on the bot problem and they lose enough subscriptions. But knowing now that they are willing to ban it if they feel justified, even a reinstatement in the future will hold the specter of future bans.

[Peri Helion]

The Real Reason for this policy change:

It’s not because of bots, it’s not because of the rise in solo-player hate, it’s not because of the WoW economy, nor is it because of their desire as developers to create enjoyable solo content without the pressures of multi-boxing benefits.

Plain and simple, it’s for the subs. Their data-analysis team did the math and realized that the sheer amount of players paying for game time and other services with gold is their largest deficit. Too many people are “technically” playing for free. Blizz makes most of its revenue through subs.

Even if every multi-boxer was refunded for every pre-purchased Shadowlands and canceled all our subs, whether we payed real money or not, Blizzard would still come out making more in the long run when new and old players come back for SL launch paying with real $. It’s the same reason why they took action against the Gallywix discord. Too much gold being made. ActiBlizz wants Tokens to be unobtainable to most.

This is why I’m going to continue multi-boxing in spite, and continue paying for game time with gold. I’ll find a way around it without violating ToS.

Talking about things I have no direct knowledge of - so feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt Blizzard make more cash off of gold players than they do off of paid subs? In order for you to buy a token with gold, someone had to buy that token for real money (and at an inflated rate), then sell it for in game gold? I have never bought tokens, so I could be wrong.

[Renwyk]

Look up here: https://wowtokenprices.com/extended-history

2017 was HB, most commonly and widely known bot was at its peak, tokens costed a lot.

September 2018, HB shut down, look the impact on the tokens...

Now you will have a before and after November 2020, plain and simple.

Tokens price are related to demand. When heavy charge of multiboxers were playing, token would yield/cost 200k golds. When no multiboxers, I guess they will drop below 100k.

The 2018 Token price drop was in August right before BFA launch.

[Renwyk]

Talking about things I have no direct knowledge of - so feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt Blizzard make more cash off of gold players than they do off of paid subs? In order for you to buy a token with gold, someone had to buy that token for real money (and at an inflated rate), then sell it for in game gold? I have never bought tokens, so I could be wrong.

This is true and something I often times forget.

Token Price = $20
Sub Monthly = $15

This is all assuming that Tokens are in fact player bought and not Blizz posting them to better control economy and make a more consistent profit margin.

[Pocahuntess]

... Their data-analysis team did the math and realized that the sheer amount of players paying for game time and other services with gold is their largest deficit. Too many people are “technically” playing for free. Blizz makes most of its revenue through subs. ...

This logic is so flawed and a very common misconception! No one is ever playing for free really. Blizzard makes MORE from token sales. Someone had to BUY the token for someone else to buy and use for sub.

[isboxerscrub]

I can only assume that mb will be banned outright soon, guess all those people were right when /follow was nuked

its exactly that..ive been talking about this for years...my first thoughts were about it when i joined this community in 2013

Blizzard didnt care bots until they FINALLY cracked down on them in 2016 and did a mass banwave..yet multiboxers got cucked way back in early 2013


i ranted about this and got told by the admin himself "nah blizzard cares and likes u guys"

see here
https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/54442-BFA-World-pvp?p=414255#post414255

https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/54442-BFA-World-pvp?p=414252#post414252 btw that post isnt my edir but moderators


i ranted before but let me tell you...


i played blizzoid games since diablo 2...and like I ranted about this before but blizzoids DIDNT care about bots there at all(except like 2 giant banwaves that actually targeted bots) and literally banned legit players back in 1.10 instead of botters which was hilarious and kinda still triggers me literally 17-18 years later

tells you their priorities

[monitor]

Extremely bummed about this. Requested and received a refund for 4 of my 5 copies of Shadowlands since I still enjoy playing solo at times.

I've previously dual boxed SWTOR so that could experience both light and dark side of the stories. Maybe i'll look into that again.

[mrdsp]

Extremely bummed about this. Requested and received a refund for 4 of my 5 copies of Shadowlands since I still enjoy playing solo at times.


I feel your pain - I know it's only a game but I've literally spent all day feeling what can only be described as "numb"... still can't believe it.

[Atwaa]

completely killed the interest I had in retail and classic...... I dont know what I am gonna do now....

I was waiting to buy shadowlands x 5, thank god i did. Now i get to finish my private pilot license!

RIP WOW!

[stubbadub3000]

By the way, is it easily detectable by Blizzard? I mean, will they know exactly who is doing it? Or is it mainly getting reported?

I assume they will use the same technology to detect key broadcasting programs that they use to detect botting programs.

Also player reports will auto-ban people multi-boxing in populated areas.

[stubbadub3000]

Multibox is not over. Blizzard dont want "broadcasting software to mirror commands to multiple accounts". If you use round robin you dont mirror commands. If you attribut one key per box you dont miror. For instance you can use clic bar for healing. This is not morroring etc...

If the broadcasting software is detected you'll get banned and will have an impossible task to convince low-paid, overworked human customer service agent there is a difference between what is bannable and what round robin is

[jak3676]

I agree - the difference between prohibited "input broadcasting software" and "input round-robin key assigning, but not broadcasting even though its capable of that software" is not a line I think anyone would want to stand on.

[stubbadub3000]

On a different note, I was screwing around today with a pure hardware solution (worked pretty well, though not nearly as seamlessly as ISBoxer), and in about 10 minutes I got 4-5 people whispering at me that they've reported me for boxing which is a substantial uptick compared to the usual. I haven't gotten a ban or warning from Blizzard, but given that it's only been an hour or two, I wouldn't put much stock in that.

Well that didn't take long, not surprised in the slightest given the hatred directed to multi-boxers from the general wow community.

Also I've read a couple of misconceptions in this thread that I wanted to add my two cents on;
- Activision makes more money off tokens then subs. People buying game time with tokens is PREFERED by Activision as it makes them more money!

- The percentage of multi-boxers is greatly exaggerated here, I doubt we would break double, even single digit percentages of wow population. But we have a real and imagined effect on a large percentage of the wow population which leads to reports/complaints, which then requires Activision to spend money actioning these reports/complaints. Activision wants to spend the least amount of money managing WoW.

- As computers have gotten more powerful, the amount of toons in a multi-boxing team has gotten larger. The game has changed as well in ways like multi-tagging of mobs and multiple toons hitting the same herb/mine node. This has lead to a perfect storm of a single player being able to make a massive amount of gold in the modern game, and Activision have always worked against successful single player gold farms.

- ISBoxer was too good! It made multi-boxing accessible and thus more people used it leading to more abuse, reports, issues etc.

[gisshan]

I canceled all my subs except the main account today and asked for a refund for the 4 min main accounts' shadowlands pre-orders. All 4 have been refunded. I didn't worry about the sub time as they were all a couple weeks from done on their 6 months.

[Kayley]

Oh man. What am I going to do with all this new free time i've been given? help!

[Kruschpakx4]

while we're at it, with battlegrounds not having follow either, in tbc i can just go 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, 4/5 and 5/5 lightning mastery on each shaman and tab through windows press lightning at 0,1 sec difference and have them all fire at the same time

i can even add a 6th shaman and have curse of tongues on him

problem solved

[shivy]

What im curious about is how to interpret the wording about "using software to mirror commands to multiple accounts at the same time"

A. The CCP (eve-online) reaction of InnerSpace/ISBoxer is ok; Input broadcasting will get a ban.

B. Using software that can broadcast regardless of if you broadcast will get a ban.


I would like to two-box and use a 2nd programmable keypad to control the 2nd character. I'm not bold enough to try the hardware multiplexing to separate computers, I think that is getting to close the the "spirit" of the the rule change.

[Pantao]

In case any of you are getting denied refunds by GM. Just resubmit. Eventually it will get to someone who dedicates time to it. Mine have gone through.

[Peregrine]

In case any of you are getting denied refunds by GM. Just resubmit. Eventually it will get to someone who dedicates time to it. Mine have gone through.

I've quitted today my job at HelloFresh beacuse they are bunch of dicks, it depends on your free will if you can give people, some people randomly receive less then they should, then there is specific words that you use that either grant you "refund,half refund, no refund" etc. Just bunch of bulls......

Yeah, some service reps are great, some are complete morons who should just delete their life ( I've been told numerous times that I am one of best reps that people got since i usually take care of everything promptly, not to mention being empathic as well to maximum). But cba tollerating that shit anymore, swear to god I'll write memoars about HF is junk company (not to mention they play on fine print in tricking alot of people).

On topic:

I am glad that you got refunded, as you should. Previous agent was obviously dick. This change sucks, they could limit boxing to 5 man, having hardware ban on botters/ limit the nodes to 1.
But yeah, people that relentlly sfarm gold, messed this up, and as some1 said how easy is to get into it, everyone started boxing not for challenge and fun, but for "profit"

I am just sad due to Lax and other's effort on this, I know that WOW is prolly biggest boxing software and biggest contributor, shame to put their work behind, if only they could be a proper company that handles bottitng, not like this, putting banhammer on everyone who is legit, burn you dammit Blizz., sigh.

[Purpleflavor]

Yeah, if players are going to circumvent this new rule with hardware solutions, Blizzard surely will adapt. Yet, this change will make multiboxing even more niche as it was, probably those very exotic implementations would not get onto blizzards radar.

Blizzard obviously does not want Multiboxing to be popular. And this is their solution.


they could have just removed /follow, but they didnt. So i would assume they are okay with multiboxing wow and that they just got tired of the sudden wave of massive gold/resource farming botters/semi-afkers.

I dont think they have an issue with multiboxing getting popular at all, likely the opposite and they would welcome it, but not if it's going to be abused as it was in BFA by many. I'd say 4 out of 5 boxers i came across while boxing myself were either herb botting(yes botting) or afk/semi-afk stand still farming.

[Purpleflavor]

I feel like the decision to ban multiboxing might be hinting at some sort of f2p model coming. Games that go to f2p often tend to ban multiboxing or take hard actions against it.

What Bliz should have done in my estimation is, designated certain servers as multibox friendly. That way they don't lose thousands and thousands of subs, and people who hate multiboxers can move off those servers and multiboxers can move onto those servers.

that makes a lot of sense, especially after the cosmetic wings transmog MTX popularity.

[boxblizzard]

Back in 2004 I used hardware -- an Xkeys Programmable Keypad along with a KVM (5+ Physical PCs)
https://xkeys.com/xkeys/keys.html

Example: one keypad button would send
"scroll-lock scroll-lock 2 1"
"scroll-lock scroll-lock 3 1"
"scroll-lock scroll-lock 4 1"
"scroll-lock scroll-lock 5 1"

which would "go" to computer 2 and "press" 1, computer 3 and press 1, etc.

Basic and slow but it worked.

I'm sure people will come out with something. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.


that’s before they made clear tos changes like now, anyone who now multiboxes will be reported so hard it will suspend everyone doing such actions.

sorry but boxing for wow has now died.

back to one player mode now bois

at the positives how much we got more in our bank account each month🤪

[sethlan]

You guys wanna know what screw multiboxing up ? Tokens.

I do agree they should limit to 5 at least and let us stay or move us to a server where it's allowed to box on classic and live.

Instead of just pulling a plug. A lot of people invested tons of time and money into it. I wish blizzard would understand.

[schmonz]

I dont think they have an issue with multiboxing getting popular at all, likely the opposite and they would welcome it, but not if it's going to be abused as it was in BFA by many. I'd say 4 out of 5 boxers i came across while boxing myself were either herb botting(yes botting) or afk/semi-afk stand still farming.

Well, i do not follow the idea it is other players that made it a problem. I think it is blizzard who are responsible for fixing farming for multiboxing, means, only allow one char to loot a node out of a group of same player chars. That is technically possible, as we know very well from older collecting quests.

I will never blame another player but the designers, who are responsible for keeping the economy stable under given circumstances.


You guys wanna know what screw multiboxing up ? Tokens.

Well, it is very clear to me that the mats prices will go up. Which also means people will sell more tokens to acquire more mats for crafting.

[Tiny_d]

My refund request was just denied by the GM, so ofc re-submitted.....

[Brunor]

Huge thanks to Lax, Mirai, all of the content creators, and other boxers.



This 1000X over and to the rest of the community here, odd that my first post after lurking for many years is when people feel like the community is dying.

Im not giving up...I always enjoyed the time spent tuning my setup...I think more than I enjoyed playing the game itself. So after blizzards clarifying comments yesterday on their stance I went out and ordered one of these: https://www.amazon.ca/EG-Joystick-Controls-Illuminated-Raspberry/dp/B071WC7TGK/ref=sr_1_25?dchild=1&keywords=Arcade+Buttons&sr=8-25

I have a few old PC's laying around so hardware boxing it is...I think Im going to have some fun making a custom controller that hooks up to 4 pc's and the joysticks will just be for quick movements during fights while I drive off my main.

It will be nowhere near as efficient and fun to use as isboxer is but what I like about muti-boxing was always the challenge of it....so this is just a new challenge.

[Kayley]

Huge thanks to Lax, Mirai, all of the content creators, and other boxers.

Trrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee.
Big thank you to Ebony for not only the addon-- but her amazing writeups, based on her beta testing before an expansion dropped. Always got me excited.
Mirai! Helped me out quite a few times over the MANY years, either with isboxer support or advanced pc tips :D appreciate you!

We didn't want this to happen. We tried to play fairly and clean where we could. Was a pretty fun 15 or so years.

[smitshan]

FYI I submitted my request and got 4 refunds. I kept one for now. I suspect I'll get bored but we'll see. I"m interested if anyone does find a single machine setup that works with no broadcast software. I was thinking of recompiling hotkeynet as a different EXE name but not sure if the warden would find that.

[ThePHD]

If you ask for a refund then do not tell them it's because of the multiboxing change. They might use that as a reason to deny you. Just don't say anything at all. If you DO say something then say you're unhappy because the game was delayed since that's the entire reason they're giving refunds in the first place. They gave me an 800 dollar refund so you can definitely get it.

[schmonz]

FYI I submitted my request and got 4 refunds. I kept one for now. I suspect I'll get bored but we'll see. I"m interested if anyone does find a single machine setup that works with no broadcast software. I was thinking of recompiling hotkeynet as a different EXE name but not sure if the warden would find that.

Better do not try it, it is still a TOS violation. Also, warden is not blizzards only line of defense.

[Obnox]

the news broke my heart, i really hope they will change their policy maybe to multibox with max 5 chars. If not i also lost all the fun in the game and also when tbc server will come out I have no reason to play it anymore :(

[Spicydork]

It sucks, I loved the challenge of setting up a dungeon team and doing mythics. Sucks that they didn't just limit it to a lower count. I can see a reason to prevent the 30 druids camping hyper spawns.

[Boxedonwow]

Nail in the coffin for me. I started boxing 14 toons at the end of legion and half way through BFA. I stopped mainly because GMs would constantly harass me because cry babies would report me for just sitting on my Ally city Boralus tweaking my team’s rotation. Also sitting in abandon Iron Forge transmogging my toons and a GM would jump in my chat and tell me to stop harassing players. I was like WTF are you talking about I literally just logged in. I would record everything when I logged in so I always had prove that I was minding my own business. I never got banned but the constant harassment got me to the point I didn’t want to risk getting perma Ban. On the bright side Blizz saved me thousands I was exited about the new PvP Vendors and PvP changes I was starting to contemplate bringing back my UH DKs and Resto Shamans for the new expansion. I was gonna upgrade my machine to the new AMD 5950x, the Radeon 6800XT, 64GBs the 14 new subs and expacs . TY Blizz you have save me thousands of dollars. I am permanently hanging my Multiboxing gloves and retiring from this addiction. I’ll use that money to buy other crap I don’t need lol

[Qebm]

In case you want to keep playing a single account and need to mail all your gold and items to your main, until November 9th WoW retail is open for free.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/news/23558958/join-the-welcome-back-weekend-november-5-9

[Algorithmic]

So, after reading I'm still at a lost to if we are able to continue useing ISBoxer for launch, window layout, switching, and all other aspects other than broadcasting anything (clicks & RR too) to the other windows? If they are watching running processes (which they are...) and acting on that, even having ISboxer running at all will be a ban. That's what I'm waiting on for clarification. And ofc support is taking the bush and playing Volley Ball with it without the slightest answer. Copy/past, repetitive responds.

[Feint90]

I am amazed how people are getting such different responses from GMs. My GM literally just told me it's not about money for them (that made me laugh since, you know, Activision) and refunded 4 full games and 1 expansion without any problem even though I consumed multiple free boosts across all accounts and the games were purchased in May.

Hope you guys get your refunds

[Tin]

So, after reading I'm still at a lost to if we are able to continue useing ISBoxer for launch, window layout, switching, and all other aspects other than broadcasting anything (clicks & RR too) to the other windows? If they are watching running processes (which they are...) and acting on that, even having ISboxer running at all will be a ban. That's what I'm waiting on for clarification. And ofc support is taking the bush and playing Volley Ball with it without the slightest answer. Copy/past, repetitive responds.


I think it would be ok to lauch the game with Isboxer - you are not logged into the game - after launch close Isboxer and remember to delete the addon too.

At this point I would not run wow with ISboxer open.

To get easy follow https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/followme

[Braxtar]

I think it would be ok to lauch the game with Isboxer - you are not logged into the game - after launch close Isboxer and remember to delete the addon too.

At this point I would not run wow with ISboxer open.

To get easy follow https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/followme

And it's a no !

It's not IsBoxer they will track, but Innerspace, and you will not be able to close innerspace and be running IsBoxer actually.

[stubbadub3000]

My GM literally just told me it's not about money for them (that made me laugh since, you know, Activision)

You're kidding yourself if you think Activision makes enough money off multi-boxing that removing them will have any impact on their profits.

[jak3676]

Warnings have started. This wasn't from me, but a fellow multiboxer. This was from a fellow Keyclone user, so they seem to be catching all the popular tools.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529729646007287840/774066119572324362/unknown.png

[Kayley]

Yeah I got the warnings too. I haven't Multiboxed since they announced the change, so it's just a friendly reminder I guess.

[shivy]

Warnings have started. This wasn't from me, but a fellow multiboxer. This was from a fellow Keyclone user, so they seem to be catching all the popular tools.


And from the sound of it, they dont care if you disable the broadcasting or not... bummer. My plan was get a key pad and program the keys to send alt+1. use inner space to disable broadcasting and send alt+1 to slot 2.

[Braxtar]

Yeah I got the warnings too. I haven't Multiboxed since they announced the change, so it's just a friendly reminder I guess.

Same here.

That's why I was mentioning below, it's InnerSpace in background that they are chasing so there will be no way to use IsBoxer "correctly" or just for windows layout adjustments.

I would have loved it to be the case, but it won't.

[Bodom]

Now is the time to open up for character transfers between accounts on Classic. I've unsubbed on my other accounts, but I still want to play on a single character, and I would like to keep all my alts too.

[Wzz81]

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/joega8/asmongold_clearly_stating_on_stream_that_he_will/

The hunt against multiboxer is beginning
I have no words

RIP guys, thank you for all people which dedicate to help others and genuily played the game for real
F*** all botter or toxic 20x multiboxer farming retail and selling golds for real money, you did this to us, thank you very much..

[schmonz]

F*** all botter or toxic 20x multiboxer farming retail and selling golds for real money, you did this to us, thank you very much..

Botting was against the TOS before this change already. And it is up to blizzard to fix farming on node spawns to be pickable by 20 characters of the same player.

Stop blaming players for systems that got designed poorly.

[woloss]

Botting was against the TOS before this change already. And it is up to blizzard to fix farming on node spawns to be pickable by 20 characters of the same player.

Stop blaming players for systems that got designed poorly.
Well, I hated those farmers, cuz they stayed on spots for like 14-18h each day, while i was able to do 1-2h per day(sometimes even w/o farm). I spent like 1 month on this and then stopped, because all phases/CRZ's were filled and I got just bored. I was forced to search for free spots for like 20-30m in order to do 1h-2h farm.

But ye, existance of hyperspawn, multiple gathers and so on not our fault one way or another.

Fun thing, hyperspawns still gonna be a thing for randoms. They can finally farm freely :) (ofc if Shadowlands would have spots, I'm not sure about this yet)

[Apatheist]

while we're at it, with battlegrounds not having follow either, in tbc i can just go 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, 4/5 and 5/5 lightning mastery on each shaman and tab through windows press lightning at 0,1 sec difference and have them all fire at the same time

i can even add a 6th shaman and have curse of tongues on him

problem solved

I mean, you could just use ISBoxer to round-robin keystrokes so each press is only sending one action to one client per keystroke.

That's beside the point, though. I suspect Blizzard will ban anything that even looks like multiboxing going forward. It doesn't matter whether you're hardware boxing or using any other method. The intent of the rule change is pretty clear.

[jak3676]

No, I don't think you can use ISBoxer to round-robin. It seems pretty clear that you cannot use ISBoxer (or Keyclone, HKN, etc) at all - there seem to have been reports of people getting warning from people using ISB with only a single client. At the moment it seems like Blizz is focusing on software detection and reporting - all the known multiboxer tools are getting people warnings.

I disagree with your 2nd statement though - Blizzard has clarified a few times now that they are not banning multiboxing. I don't think we yet know their intent or how tolerant they will be of non-software broadcasting approaches. We know they're fine with people operating multiple toons at the same time on /follow and alt-tabbing between them. (Which almost seems odd because their change won't stop 40-account herb farming - but that's a separate discussion.) But if we come up with a non-software broadcasting method that makes multiboxing almost as effective as it used to be - will Blizzard tolerate that? No one yet knows.

I see a few ways forward that we're exploring now. 1) Hardware multicasting - which I agree may also be problematic from a "spirit of the law" sort of thing - I think I've volunteered to be that guinea pig. 2) Non-multibox software versions of round-robin keyboard input (e.g. using hardware or software system to cycle the input to various clients - think "alt-tab", but faster and keybound to something easier to press rapidly). 3) Non-multibox software versions of controlling window and mouse input such that a user could easily mouse over different windows and provide input to that window easily.

[Apatheist]

there seem to have been reports of people getting warning from people using ISB with only a single client.y.

I got a warning and I haven't logged in since last week. I think Blizzard is sending warnings to all accounts flagged in some way with multiboxing or to all accounts with multiple active subscriptions on one BNet, etc. The prohibition is against key broadcasting between multiple clients. Using ISBoxer or any other software for legitimate purposes is still allowed.

Obviously I can't know for sure how Blizzard will treat workarounds like hardware boxing but the intent of the change was explicitly to prohibit key broadcasting. I don't think explaining that you're achieving the same result using hardware will exempt you from being banned.

"I did rob the bank, Your Honor, but I used a knife, not a gun!"

[Lance]

Well that sucks! I've been 5 boxing since TBC. I have refunded 4 of my 5 shadowlands I got in feb. I can't refund any more onto my blizz account so the epic edition on my main has been kept. Honestly was not too optimistic about the way the game was going anyway so maybe this isn't a bad thing. If this had happened in legion when I was loving the game I would have been gutted.

[Meathead]

I guess it would only last so long. I was multiboxing 10 accounts since TBC. It was so fun, but I guess when they removed follow in BG's it got less fun and now they changed their rules to suit their needs of making more in game currency. I guess standing still farming the same spot for hours and making easy gold was too much for blizzard. They did not want to change their system on how things spawn so just add a new rule and not allow multiboxing.

I stopped a while back but came back to farm a bit in legion then stopped again. Multiboxing was only super fun in dungeons and battlegrounds and arena. Time to shelve all my accounts for good once again.

It was the best in TBC. No one was doing it, nor could anyone afford the hardware to do it. Keyclone was very basic but it did its job well back then. May all my accounts rest in peace.

GG all, it was fun. I will see you all in another hobby ay.

[CokeZero]

I still multibox daily (classic only), have not gotten a warning yet. But don't really care as I'm just doing it until the accounts close in 2 more days. Just farming the crap out of things I want for my main before the boxing accounts close. My main isn't part of my multiboxing setup so could care less what happens to the other accounts at this point.

[nodoze]

In addition to multiple reports of warnings from multiple people using ISboxer with any/all broadcasting turned off, we have the following message from the developer behind ISboxer and InnerSpace:

Update from Lax in the ISboxer Discord on 11/06/2020 at 10:31 AM:

"They are detecting Inner Space being used, and issuing warnings for "using software intended for input broadcasting". So it doesn't matter which features you disable."

https://i.gyazo.com/d9c0633a77957bc0690dab823cc16692.png

(https://i.gyazo.com/d9c0633a77957bc0690dab823cc16692.png)My respectful recommendation to everyone is to stop using ISboxer/InnerSpace with either Classic WoW or Retail WoW until we know more. Official announcements from Lax are typically in the ISboxer Discord's #announcements channel.

Lax is also working on a new "skinny" release of ISboxer/InnerSpace that will hopefully be compliant with Blizzard and hopefully officially OK'ed by Blizzard (may end up with a new name instead of ISboxer/InnerSpace).

[woloss]

Well, as I said, hyperspawn still gonna be a thing.
https://imgur.com/a/xSdvXVr
Looks like 107x accs w/o soft. So, ye

[nodoze]

Well, as I said, hyperspawn still gonna be a thing.
https://imgur.com/a/xSdvXVr
Looks like 107x accs w/o soft. So, yeI don't see how that can reasonably be done via pure hardware without software.

How are all the windows sliced like that?
How are all the clients getting inputs?
How are all the clients launched and in how many OSes?

Bottom line is whatever they are doing is going to be looked at by Blizz and then likely Nuked so we should all be ready to BOHICA.

[woloss]

I don't see how that can reasonably be done via pure hardware without software.

How are all the windows sliced like that?
How are all the clients getting inputs?
How are all the clients launched and in how many OSes?

Bottom line is whatever they are doing is going to be looked at by Blizz and then likely Nuked so we should all be ready to BOHICA.
I don't know, but looks like he is using just 1 Windows 10. I'd better go with few VM's, due to lack of VRAM at least.

Windows sliced manually, probably combined with custom resolution through Nvidia Control Panel.

As for inputs, it's pretty simple, Windows 7 - 10 have workarounds. + some adjustments in-game. Main focus on mouse here.

[CokeZero]

It appears to me the whole reason for Blizzard doing what they did was to prevent bots from having such an easy way to "multi-bot" in the first place. Not as a direct attack on multiboxers themselves, just collateral damage that they can live with unfortunately. So any new means to try and skirt the software ban, but still ends up making it easily accessible to the botters, will be looked at unfavorably from now on.
If Lax is working on something that somehow prevents botting with it, great, I'm all for it and can't wait to try it. But if botters can still jump on the bandwagon and utilize it for scummy play, I don't have my hopes up for it. That goes for any workaround people come up with, if botters can easily do it to setup hundreds of accounts, you can pretty much forget about it. Blizzard will ban first, and let you try and convince them why they should reopen your accounts.

[nodoze]

I don't know, but looks like he is using just 1 Windows 10. I'd better go with few VM's, due to lack of VRAM at least.

Windows sliced manually, probably combined with custom resolution through Nvidia Control Panel.

As for inputs, it's pretty simple, Windows 7 - 10 have workarounds. + some adjustments in-game. Main focus on mouse here.Even with 128GB of ram on my machine and a beefy processor I have a hard time seeing it done on 1 windows machine & VMs would add overhead.

Maybe on a threadripper or multi-cpu machine with more ram it could be done but I have had issues with pipelines and underlying windows infrastructure when going with more than 30 copies of games in the past (was only using about 70 of my 128GB of RAM but windows could not handle all the client interactions and the 8GB VRAM on my graphics card was not enough...

It may indeed be doable and if it is that sucks because folk like him/her will likely cause the other shoe to drop (or the next nuke which will ban hardware multi-broadcasting)...

[woloss]

Even with 128GB of ram on my machine and a beefy processor I have a hard time seeing it done on 1 windows machine & VMs would add overhead.

Maybe on a threadripper or multi-cpu machine with more ram it could be done but I have had issues with pipelines and underlying windows infrastructure when going with more than 30 copies of games in the past (was only using about 70 of my 128GB of RAM but windows could not handle all the client interactions and the 8GB VRAM on my graphics card was not enough...
He have 3970x with 256gb. With such weird resolution, must be fine with VRAM and so on. Well i did 16 chars on my 970 3.5GB in 3840x1575(or smth like this), in most cases its fine, for farm its way more than enough, for pve/pvp, not really.

Well, VMs won't add much overhead, plus even 3xxx AMD series have infinite fabric. In some cases you can divide clients to good CCX and so on(on 2990wx it gives better performance than native, but ye, not sure about 3xxx totally, they reduced infinite fabric involve).
On the other hand, with VMs you need to move two mice, rip wrists :D

[emmanuelfs]

Ok, so lets say someone finds a "legal" way around the TOS, do you think blizz is gonna take the time to investigate once you get reported? if they see a multiboxer, they see someone broadcasting keys, I dont think theres a way around this

[woloss]

Ok, so lets say someone finds a "legal" way around the TOS, do you think blizz is gonna take the time to investigate once you get reported? if they see a multiboxer, they see someone broadcasting keys, I dont think theres a way around this
Warden scanning your memory, so, I guess they know what are you using and make decision based on this. If you don't have innerspace/ahk/hkn in background, you must be fine.

[nodoze]

Warden scanning your memory, so, I guess they know what are you using and make decision based on this. If you don't have innerspace/ahk/hkn in background, you must be fine.It is not that difficult for Blizzard to stop everyone from doing 1 action into more than 1 wow client for most scenarios.

Discussion on how to do this here:

https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/57973-Why-hardware-boxing-always-also-is-software-boxing?p=433194#post433194

There are some ways to try to obfuscate and try to get around this... For example sending every wow client through something like a "TOR network" or to a different VPN destination and have each client login to a different server but even that could be tracked with the right analysis process of time/patterns.

[Kraxx]

Warden scanning your memory, so, I guess they know what are you using and make decision based on this. If you don't have innerspace/ahk/hkn in background, you must be fine.

I coded my own multibox key broadcast application in python in less than 2 hours (for educational purpose). Every Script-Kiddy can do this.


I'm sure that Warden would detect my application if I would use it (will not try it --> ToS). I don't think that Warden is that stupid = scan for Innerspace, IsBoxer etc. and thats it.

If you broadcast the same key to all clients (no matter if it is hardware or software based) I'm sure you will get a ban ... sooner or later

The only method that would work is:
- use separate Hardware for each client
- don't send the same key to all clients at the same time
- don't look like a multiboxer ingame (biggest challenge)

[Spyro]

Now is the time to open up for character transfers between accounts on Classic. I've unsubbed on my other accounts, but I still want to play on a single character, and I would like to keep all my alts too.
Not gonna happen, I already explained in a previous post why 👇


They should do that but won't, because a transfer flags the character for a name change, and they don't want name changes in Classic.

We are fucked. I also want to transfer all my classes to the account where I will 1-box from now on, but looks like I will have to level/boost all on them again. :mad:

[woloss]

I'm sure that Warden would detect my application if I would use it (will not try it --> ToS). I don't think that Warden is that stupid = scan for Innerspace, IsBoxer etc. and thats it.

Ofc not, but first trigger is this. Anyway, how that guy farmed hyperspawn isn't a software/hardware boxing, delay exists as well, and its naturally random. Unless you gonna say that built in things in Windows are 3rd party.

Anyway it doesn't matter. Until they fix hyperspawns or multinodes, botters, bot boxers will exist, with soft or no, means nothing. Because overall they earn way more money even with bans.

[raven3356]

I am not sure if this is anything significant but I heard blizzard is adding gamepad support and gamepad allows for some strange interfacing inconsistencies that I have experienced in other games like continuing to fly a plane in battlefield even though the menu is in your face and your mouse and keyboard wouldn't be able to do it with the menu currently on while game is running in background. Maybe there is a way to take advantage of something like how a gamepad works when blizzard allows for gamepad support.

[rale89]

After trying to press the support for a few tickets regarding weather or not using a macro capable mouse or autohotkey script to rebind windows hotkeys for switching active process (alt+tab etc..) would be a problem, i got the impression they were pretty specificly told to purposefully be vague on the subject and to stick just to copy pastas, pointing towards the ToS.

I did get the following response in the end. https://gyazo.com/cce968c84b6365fa4658704a61049285

So there might be further blues comming to clarify the intent of the change and/or specifics regarding hardver/vm etc...

[Gomotron]

Welp, like most here, I am not entirely surprised that the metaphorical Damocles' Sword has finally dropped. That being said, I regret being on a 6 month sub for my accounts, but happy that I never purchased the new expansion.

So long, folks. It was nice to hang out here with like-minded gamers, but life goes on.

/wave

[Fursphere]

Just incase it hasn't been mentioned - this is how i used to do it back in the BC/Wrath days.

http://www.vetra.com/wow.html + 5x PCs

I agree its a slippery slope at this point, and I probably wouldn't invest the money with the corporate stance change. I literally threw out my old PS/2 multi-casters like three weeks ago, then saw this. Crazy timing. I recently came back to WoW after quitting for like many many years. I have noticed a lot of what I thought were multiboxers (3-5x Boomkins) running around completely controlling questing zones. Tried messaging them - nothing. They're bots. At that point I had a feeling that multiboxing in WoW was on its way out.

Good luck to ya'll.

[woloss]

Hmm, weird, I got warning message. I didn't play on retail since February via ISBoxer. Currently, just playing dualbox for lvling and some other stuff. ISBoxer/InnerSpace still installed, but didn't launch game through it. Even keyboard, mouse soft, everything disabled. The only possible thing that I had InnerSpace opened in background while at battle.net launcher, but I closed it before hitting "Play" button.

Fun thing, mail was received like 1h later after I tried GSE, but ofc it's not due to it, because GSE is based on WoW API.

Maybe it's due to Input Director, but i'm using it just to control laptop.

[jak3676]

@woloss ISBoxer/InnerSpace just being installed will be enough to get a warning. You need to completely uninstall ISBoxer/InnerSpace if you want to keep playing WoW. Blizzard is detecting based on the software being present - whether or not you are using that tool to violate the policy or not. Some of the warnings are even going out based on previous usage of these tools.

Someone else on discord provided this today:

i got a warning today and asked gm that topic. Because i dont use anythinggm said me


"As far as we are aware, these emails have been set to all accounts that have previously input software or tools in the past and are specifically a warning
If you are currently not using the software or intend to use in the future, then you will be fine"

[Tin]

Hmm, weird, I got warning message. I didn't play on retail since February via ISBoxer. Currently, just playing dualbox for lvling and some other stuff. ISBoxer/InnerSpace still installed, but didn't launch game through it. Even keyboard, mouse soft, everything disabled. The only possible thing that I had InnerSpace opened in background while at battle.net launcher, but I closed it before hitting "Play" button.

Fun thing, mail was received like 1h later after I tried GSE, but ofc it's not due to it, because GSE is based on WoW API.

Maybe it's due to Input Director, but i'm using it just to control laptop.

Input Director has Keyboard and Mouse Features and is a software KVM

[Pocahuntess]

@woloss ISBoxer/InnerSpace just being installed will be enough to get a warning. You need to completely uninstall ISBoxer/InnerSpace if you want to keep playing WoW. "


This is simply not true! Blizzard has little to no interest in what you have installed on your computer. Why would they? Only what you have running and interacting with the game's memory or the method being used to send input to the game. SendMessage and PostMessage are api's common for developers making such apps. Guess what else uses / abuses them? Bots.

This kind of misinformation is not at all helpful for the community.

[woloss]

@woloss ISBoxer/InnerSpace just being installed will be enough to get a warning. You need to completely uninstall ISBoxer/InnerSpace if you want to keep playing WoW. Blizzard is detecting based on the software being present - whether or not you are using that tool to violate the policy or not. Some of the warnings are even going out based on previous usage of these tools.

They can prolly read file system too, but I don't know, pretty easy to track if WoW was opened via soft or not, from memory.
Well, maybe gonna make clean Windows VM without soft at all, then, just for WoW.

Input Director has Keyboard and Mouse Features and is a software KVM
Sure it is. But I don't know, how is this multiple actions per press thing.

[Tin]

Sure it is. But I don't know, how is this multiple actions per press thing.

The use of input broadcasting software that mirrors keystrokes to multiple WoW game clients will soon be considered an actionable offense

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23558957/policy-update-for-input-broadcasting-software

[jak3676]

This is simply not true! Blizzard has little to no interest in what you have installed on your computer. Why would they? Only what you have running and interacting with the game's memory or the method being used to send input to the game. SendMessage and PostMessage are api's common for developers making such apps. Guess what else uses / abuses them? Bots.

This kind of misinformation is not at all helpful for the community.

I disagree. GM's have said they're looking for and reporting for any use of the software - even if its not interacting with the game. They're now providing warnings on "using software intended for input broadcasting". Didn't Lax recommend to uninstall it himself? The new version ("Joe MultiBoxer" 'JMB') is an all new .exe and all .dlls (because they know Blizzard is scanning for the presence of these current version). I can repost the links to people saying they've gotten warnings even though they only used it for window setup, or even where they only have a single account active.

Happy to have to have a discussion about this if you think I'm wrong, but I don't think its fair to call it "misinformation". I think our community's recommendation should be to uninstall ISBoxer and InnerSpace completely.

[woloss]

The use of input broadcasting software that mirrors keystrokes to multiple WoW game clients will soon be considered an actionable offense

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23558957/policy-update-for-input-broadcasting-software
My bad, didn't know about "Mirroring" function. Well, need to write some "Before WoW launch" checklist :)

[Pocahuntess]

I disagree. GM's have said they're looking for and reporting for any use of the software - even if its not interacting with the game..

Please show us where GM's have said this! Again- using and installed are very different things. The two shouldn't be conflated. When Blizzard sends out a warning or action, it is for a specific account with specific reasoning.

NO ONE has received a warning that says "because we detected X software installed on your pc".

An actionable offense will always specify the account and the action: "We detected X on this account". Meaning you did something WHILE playing on that account.

I have it on good authority that blizzard is looking for a specific type of software interaction with their games. And it is this type of interaction that was being exploited.

If LAX is recommending we uninstall, I have not received that notice. And I do still use the software with OTHER games.

[nodoze]

Please show us where GM's have said this! Again- using and installed are very different things. The two shouldn't be conflated. When Blizzard sends out a warning or action, it is for a specific account with specific reasoning.

NO ONE has received a warning that says "because we detected X software installed on your pc".

An actionable offense will always specify the account and the action: "We detected X on this account". Meaning you did something WHILE playing on that account.

I have it on good authority that blizzard is looking for a specific type of software interaction with their games. And it is this type of interaction that was being exploited.

If LAX is recommending we uninstall, I have not received that notice. And I do still use the software with OTHER games.Multiple people in the ISboxer Discord have said they received warnings when running WoW with InnerSpace in the background even though they did not use ISboxer nor InnerSpace in any way to launch nor interact with WoW.

[CokeZero]

Multiple people in the ISboxer Discord have said they received warnings when running WoW with InnerSpace in the background even though they did not use ISboxer nor InnerSpace in any way to launch nor interact with WoW.

He does not disagree with this, neither do I. Where I, and I assume Pocahuntesss, disagree with Jak3676 is in just having it installed is an actionable offense, this is completely untrue.
Yes Blizzard can detect it if it is a running process and can then action your account because they will detect the prohibited software. But just having it installed and NOT running they cannot (or at least SHOULD not) be able to see this as that is a giant breech of privacy. That's like saying they can see all my nudes just because its "installed" on my hard drive. It's completely wrong.
Saying just having innerspace installed and is detecable without being a running process and therefore actionable IS misinformation. You do NOT need to uninstall innerspace to keep playing WoW. You DO need to make sure it is closed and NOT a running process to keep playing wow without getting actioned.

[jak3676]

I'll try to go back and dig up some more links that people have gotten from GM's recommending uninstall. I've read a few similar to this one. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504835144016986112/774066979404513290/rip2.png Uninstalling has been discussed on the ISBoxer discord - I thought that recommendation came from Lax himself, but I don't see it in the announcements so I'll have to dig. Blizz is clear that they're looking for the presence of software intended for software broadcasting - not necessarily just its interaction with the game client. You cannot just avoid using the offending pieces and try to keep the rest - there is no portion of ISBoxer that's safe to use with WoW. It will have to recompiled into a whole new application with new support files before its safe to use again. Would you recommend that someone keep software installed that if accidentally left running may get the user banned?

I totally get the difference between installed, running (but not interacting with the WoW client) and interacting with the WoW client. Warden can only look at stuff in memory - not scan your hard drive for the presence of files. I wasn't trying to make a point about how warden works, I was replying to the user above who said he hasn't used it all, but just had it running in the background. Where I said that you'll get a warning by leaving it installed, I don't mean that warden (or whatever else Blizz uses) will find it on your hard drive, but that if its installed and you ever once have something left in the background, or there's some portion still present in memory; then you'll be in trouble once Warden finds it. My original could have been better - I'll say "present" as opposed to "installed". My point in replying to the user was that Blizz can scan for all software running - even if its not interacting with the WoW client directly. So if you leave ISBoxer installed just for window management, FPS optimization, or for other games, then forget to make sure everything is closed before you run WoW, that's just asking for trouble. To fix that issue - its best to uninstall.

I full stand by the recommendation to completely uninstall InnerSpace, delete ISBoxer and remove the addon that's installed in game. I think that should be this community's recommendation for anyone who plays WoW until JMB is released. I think it would be irresponsible to suggest leaving ISBoxer installed is OK. It may be possible that some users can keep it installed and always make sure they have a clean memory (reboot every time you want to play WoW) but I think many people will mistakenly leave something running and not even know it.

[jak3676]

Originally Posted by jak3676 https://www.dual-boxing.com/images/tf_ideal/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?p=433432#post433432)
I disagree. GM's have said they're looking for and reporting for any use of the software - even if its not interacting with the game..
Please show us where GM's have said this! ...

The original policy update was pretty clear - its not just that they will begin banning for input broadcasting via software, but that players "should not use this software while playing World of Warcraft"
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23558957/policy-update-for-input-broadcasting-software

This ticket response may more clear - don't use the software even if you're only a single player. Blizz considers ISBoxer prohibited software
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/may-i-get-some-clarification-on-using-software-that-has-the-ability-to-broadcast-inputs/708987/8

If we're debating if the software needs to be interacting with the WoW client or merely running - Blizz is clear that they check for both, by looking at your systems memory https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529729646007287840/774087930439794718/unknown.png

But yes, the offending program would have to be present in memory, not just on the hard drive without being used.

Is there any of this that we disagree with?

[nodoze]

He does not disagree with this, neither do I. Where I, and I assume Pocahuntesss, disagree with Jak3676 is in just having it installed is an actionable offense, this is completely untrue.
Yes Blizzard can detect it if it is a running process and can then action your account because they will detect the prohibited software. But just having it installed and NOT running they cannot (or at least SHOULD not) be able to see this as that is a giant breech of privacy. That's like saying they can see all my nudes just because its "installed" on my hard drive. It's completely wrong.
Saying just having innerspace installed and is detecable without being a running process and therefore actionable IS misinformation. You do NOT need to uninstall innerspace to keep playing WoW. You DO need to make sure it is closed and NOT a running process to keep playing wow without getting actioned.I don't know about that. I also don't rely on SHOULD as we know what companies like Google have done.

I do know that if you only use InnerSpace for MultiBoxing WoW there is no reason to keep InnerSpace installed and I would uninstall it (in fact I already did).

If I decide to use InnerSpace for other games in the meantime while all this is sorting out I will use Innerspace on a totally separate computer that does not have any WoW clients installed. It is not worth the risk to me that:


- I accidentally get InnerSpace set to Auto-Start, &/or
- I accidentally forget to shut InnerSpace down when I switch to play WoW, &/or
- I accidentally start InnerSpace up while I am playing WoW, &/or
- I accidentally start WoW up while I am playing a different game under InnerSpace, &/or
- I accidentally forget to stop InnerSpace after I finish playing and go to bed...

The risk is absolutely not worth it to me and I don't like having to worry about what is running or not running all the time when trying to take a break and have some fun and switch back and forth between games...

I am looking forward to a new "skinny" version of ISboxer/InnerSpace that is named/seperate (like the proposed JMB) and approved by Blizzard.

[mds0001]

Hang on.... what if i f.ex play some accounts and change every action in isboxer to be sent "round robin" instead....... i could see myself playing 3 accounts like this.

"We will soon begin issuing warnings to all players who are detected using input broadcasting software to mirror commands to multiple accounts at the same time (often used for multi-boxing)" = doesnt affect round robin??


I thought of that, from the spirit of the blue post, that might be possible?

[jak3676]

Yes, from a "spirit of the law" perspective some sort of round-robin approach is fine. The only issue is that you cannot use ISBoxer to do that as they seem to be issuing warning for any use of software associated with multiboxing.

There are other ways to implement a round-robin type approach though - read the bottom 1/2 of this thread if you haven't already. https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/57977-No-broadcast-software-ideas-for-multiboxing/page2

[woloss]

Well, I got ban on 3 accs on 1 bnet due to Economy Exploitation. Played just on 2 since limit (did 8 boxing too, but just with "Veteran" accs, so no trade at all). Played with ISBoxer injected to game last time in February 2020.
I don't know wtf actually.

[Purpleflavor]

Well, I got ban on 3 accs on 1 bnet due to Economy Exploitation. Played just on 2 since limit (did 8 boxing too, but just with "Veteran" accs, so no trade at all). Played with ISBoxer injected to game last time in February 2020.
I don't know wtf actually.


not even clear on what you're trying to say, but ok.

I've boxed for a decade and last used ISBoxer/innerspace with WoW on the day of the ToS change, and i haven't gotten any warning or bans on any of my accounts. No email, nothing. I even had ISBoxer in my Addons the first time i logged into WoW after the ToS change because i forgot to remove it before going to character select and just clicked it off.

I'm also going to run ISBoxer/Innerspace tomorrow during the Diablo 3 season 22 release. Wondering if warden will care if i use it for other Blizzard games, but i guess i'll see.

[woloss]

not even clear on what you're trying to say, but ok.

True, well, gonna submit a ticket and just wait.



I've boxed for a decade and last used ISBoxer/innerspace with WoW on the day of the ToS change, and i haven't gotten any warning or bans on any of my accounts. No email, nothing. I even had ISBoxer in my Addons the first time i logged into WoW after the ToS change because i forgot to remove it before going to character select and just clicked it off.

They should be able to check if you launched game via ISBoxer or not. So, must be fine to play even with innerspace in background, but no one knows.

[jak3676]

Has anyone received a ban for something that seems to be related to input broadcasting software yet? I think they're still just doing warnings. There's been lots of discussions about some recent bans in discord, but the only bans posted were for "Abuse of the Economy" (aka Real Money Trading - buying or selling gold). I don't think its correct to assume that's somehow related to this policy change or ISBoxer usage.

*edit*
This was posted in the TSM discord - from someone who claims he was continuing to use HKN, but that he had disabled broadcasting. I don't know enough about bans to know if this is what the new "software broadcasting" bans look like, or if this is the same old "botting" ban that they've had for years.
https://gyazo.com/63e109fa35dfe4a12530be1bf772c61d.png
https://gyazo.com/63e109fa35dfe4a12530be1bf772c61d

[woloss]

Has anyone received a ban for something that seems to be related to input broadcasting software yet? I think they're still just doing warnings. There's been lots of discussions about some recent bans in discord, but the only bans posted were for "Abuse of the Economy" (aka Real Money Trading - buying or selling gold). I don't think its correct to assume that's somehow related to this policy change or ISBoxer usage.


https://i.imgur.com/9RIj3FZ.png


Sorry, didn't find out [spoiler] tag, due to 4K have only such big image. Well, idk, pretty fast transition from "Economy Exploitation" to "Boxing related reason", on 2nd ticket.

UPD #1: Just found out this - https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/54230-multiboxing-bans-have-begun/. Sadly, real RMT boys like that 107x boxer from Twitch won't get ban.

UPD #2: "Greetings, This penalty has already been reviewed and upheld. Any further requests on this topic will not be reviewed."
I guess, due to one more ticket i'll get ban for all 8 wow accounts on bnet instead of current 3, soon :D

[Brandish]

Refunds for SL pre-purchase are in progress.

They are refusing to refund game time.

What sort of refunds have people gotten for game time? Support is claiming they can't refund the 6 months sub purchase because it has been partially used, and also claiming they cannot refund partial amounts.

I have an account with 5 months of time on it, and several with 3 months of time remaining. I will have zero accounts active.

Thanks

[woloss]

They are refusing to refund game time.

What sort of refunds have people gotten for game time? Support is claiming they can't refund the 6 months sub purchase because it has been partially used, and also claiming they cannot refund partial amounts.

I have an account with 5 months of time on it, and several with 3 months of time remaining. I will have zero accounts active.
The only way to do so, merge game time to one wow account. They won't refund real money for partially used time for sure. (usually you can refund within 2-3d max)

[fleaplus]

Refunds for SL pre-purchase are in progress.

They are refusing to refund game time.

What sort of refunds have people gotten for game time? Support is claiming they can't refund the 6 months sub purchase because it has been partially used, and also claiming they cannot refund partial amounts.

I have an account with 5 months of time on it, and several with 3 months of time remaining. I will have zero accounts active.

Thanks
If you originally paid for those subscriptions with a credit card, you may be able to dispute the charges. It seems like a relatively cut and dry case. Purchased services -> Terms of service changed no longer allowing you to use the service -> Merchant refused to issue a pro-rated service credit. Keep in mind if you did that the accounts would very likely be blacklisted and could not be re-activated in the future.

[woloss]

Last try to unban accounts (won't insert picture due to high resolution):
https://imgur.com/a/81FoPJq

Looks like nothing I can do about? Anyway, weird, I played either on 2 wow accounts or 8, and got ban on 3 (2 paid and 1 "trial"). Also, based on "Last Played" time, I supposed to get suspension for all. I just don't know wth.

UPD #1: Wanted to try "Live Chat", but I guess nothing will help me. So, I deleted battle.net and wow with other Blizzard games, probably it's for good. Meh, 0 bans since TBC-WotLK times and now this :/

[Swedishoyster]

I have been permabanned on two of my 10 accounts...


Has anybody got a ban yet? Seen the change in policy - https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23558957/policy-update-for-input-broadcasting-software

This is caused by people farming the hell out of BFA.

[woloss]

I have been permabanned on two of my 10 accounts...
Permaban for just 2 account even more weird than my 6m month suspension. They should've ban all wow accounts, aren't they?
Visited US forum, CS section, looks like few ppl got weird suspension for half accs. Some got unban, some not.

The worst thing, I have no idea why I got it and they won't tell due to "security/privacy" reasons. On the other hand, they own the game and can ban us for whatever reason they want, nothing we can do about.